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# Thread: Are native Vt nmos available ?

Category: **ℹ️ - Information**
Parent channel: **#⁉️-questions**
Thread ID: `1425483172166238410`

Messages: **3**

## message-1425483172166238410

**2025-10-08T14:01:12.441+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**

- Message ID: `1425483172166238410`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1425483172166238410/1425483172166238410
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/%E2%81%89%EF%B8%8F-questions/are-native-vt-nmos-available/2025-10/2025-10.json
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**Content**

```text
They're in the readthedocs but marked "optional".
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## message-1425686401411846286

**2025-10-09T03:28:46.069+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**

- Message ID: `1425686401411846286`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1425483172166238410/1425686401411846286
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/%E2%81%89%EF%B8%8F-questions/are-native-vt-nmos-available/2025-10/2025-10.json
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```text
Good question! @Tim Edwards / @Leo Moser (mole99) - Do you know?
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## message-1425862668304253030

**2025-10-09T15:09:11.371+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**

- Message ID: `1425862668304253030`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1425483172166238410/1425862668304253030
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/%E2%81%89%EF%B8%8F-questions/are-native-vt-nmos-available/2025-10/2025-10.json
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/Information/questions/are-native-vt-nmos-available/2025-10/2025-10.json

**Content**

```text
I have no idea what they mean by "optional".  It does not involve an additional mask layer.  There are two masks associated with Vt adjustment, TN and TP.  A native Vt device would be defined as the absence of both implants.  The NAT layer is a drawn layer only;  TN and TP are derived from COMP, NPLUS, PPLUS, and NAT.  Of course GF could always _charge_ the customer for the use of the drawn NAT layer, but then they would be douchebags, and anyway I have always assumed that NAT and native Vt devices are available.  The magic tech file supports them.  I have not designed anything using them.
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