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# #🤪-off-topic
Category: **ℹ️ - Information**
Channel ID: `1361349523724570943`
Messages: **527**
## message-1365305410101444648
**2025-04-25T12:36:15.916+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
- Message ID: `1365305410101444648`
- Author ID: `1071653002986926112`
- Nickname: algofoogle (Anton Maurovic)
- User name: algofoogle
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1365305410101444648
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/off-topic/2025-04/2025-04.json
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/Information/off-topic/2025-04/2025-04.json
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/Information/off-topic/2025-11/2025-11.json
**Content**
```text
Folks, we have a select group of people here in this wafer.space community who might be interested in this, and @Tim 'mithro' Ansell maybe this would be of interest to you for various reasons in your current explorations...Will Salcedo, who worked with us on customer design support for a while at Efabless, is developing GPU & AI acceleration for OpenLane. This is a blurb about their work:
Will Salcedo (https://www.linkedin.com/in/william-salcedo/) and Vamshi Balangala (https://www.linkedin.com/in/vamshibalanaga/) are building enhanced EDA tools on top of OpenLane that improve the speed, scalability, and quality of existing open-source tools. We are using GPU-accelerated approaches and AI to get at least 100x runtime improvements over legacy tools. If you are struggling with closing out designs, we would love to help you get to tapeout faster.
Will and Vamshi are hoping to find people interested in what they're doing, and possibly willing to experiment with what they've done so far, so if anyone would be prepared to at least reach out to them and find out more, please let me know. From what Will was telling me, their approach was to greatly accelerate parts of the resizing/repair, with the intent initially of doing far greater design-space exploration (since for larger designs or extreme timing/density requirements, this can often be a bottleneck). They have also contemplated adapting their work to things like IR drop analysis.
It sounds interesting (and a few of us at Efabless started talking to them late 2024 and it was already showing promise then), and I'm just sharing this around as a favour.
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## message-1365305592817651723
**2025-04-25T12:36:59.479+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
- Message ID: `1365305592817651723`
- Author ID: `1071653002986926112`
- Nickname: algofoogle (Anton Maurovic)
- User name: algofoogle
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1365305592817651723
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/off-topic/2025-04/2025-04.json
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/Information/off-topic/2025-04/2025-04.json
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/Information/off-topic/2025-11/2025-11.json
**Content**
```text
NOTE: I'm not sure yet whether their offering is intended to be open-source or at least include an open-source option.
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## message-1366597369587568681
**2025-04-29T02:10:03.061+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1366597369587568681`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
- Nickname: carlfk
- User name: carlfk
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1366597369587568681
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/off-topic/2025-04/2025-04.json
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**Content**
```text
Radio Check.. calling laser fans
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## message-1366597429276835932
**2025-04-29T02:10:17.292+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1366597429276835932`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1366597429276835932
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/off-topic/2025-04/2025-04.json
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- https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1366597369587568681
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check check]
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## message-1366597776749891666
**2025-04-29T02:11:40.136+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1366597776749891666`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
- Nickname: carlfk
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- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1366597776749891666
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**Content**
```text
can you help john get onshape box model for cutting
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## message-1366597864482144266
**2025-04-29T02:12:01.053+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1366597864482144266`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1366597864482144266
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**Content**
```text
```
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## message-1366597877123514428
**2025-04-29T02:12:04.067+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1366597877123514428`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
- Nickname: carlfk
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- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1366597877123514428
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**Content**
```text
im at Tims. John is going somewhere tonight where ther might be a laser
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## message-1366597889794511028
**2025-04-29T02:12:07.088+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1366597889794511028`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
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I was already doing it
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## message-1366597913895239733
**2025-04-29T02:12:12.834+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1366597913895239733`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
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thank you!
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## message-1366598103582642267
**2025-04-29T02:12:58.059+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1366598103582642267`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
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nominal material thickness is 1/8" I can change it if needed
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## message-1366600378208227381
**2025-04-29T02:22:00.372+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1366600378208227381`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
- Nickname: carlfk
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if it is less, like cereal box cardboard, that's fine right? the tabs won't be snug, but I can sitll goop hotglue all over the plance it will mostly work
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## message-1366603145764933642
**2025-04-29T02:33:00.209+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1366603145764933642`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
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I mean, I can change the thickness, so if it's as thick as cereal box, it's fine. tab sizes will just auto-change too
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## message-1366610973825171577
**2025-04-29T03:04:06.564+00:00 — carlfk**
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in case John is short on time and grabs whatever material is handy, wnated to make sure thinner is ok
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## message-1366611132063944745
**2025-04-29T03:04:44.291+00:00 — carlfk**
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thicker I will have to turn the holes into notches - no biggie
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## message-1366611801395167262
**2025-04-29T03:07:23.872+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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just lmk, it's all parametric
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## message-1366612404661780542
**2025-04-29T03:09:47.702+00:00 — digshadow**
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## message-1366612471133114428
**2025-04-29T03:10:03.55+00:00 — digshadow**
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Experimenting with laser dicing. 355 NM mopa fiber
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## message-1366660104514048061
**2025-04-29T06:19:20.233+00:00 — digshadow**
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## message-1366660210869014611
**2025-04-29T06:19:45.59+00:00 — digshadow**
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We ran a bunch more tests. Maybe slightly better results with the 355 but not enough to justify investments so far
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## message-1366660331497193554
**2025-04-29T06:20:14.35+00:00 — digshadow**
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I did get a lot better with the software options and might be able to improve my 1064 nanometer flow. Some evidence also suggest that I don't have my existing 355 nanometer fiber laser setup ideally, so I might also give that another pass
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## message-1367361848927846462
**2025-05-01T04:47:49.139+00:00 — carlfk**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell see die sorting robot in https://discord.com/channels/1270929620224704544/1270933607011057776
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## message-1367492511773491241
**2025-05-01T13:27:01.589+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I assume this is wafer dicing? What are the lines here?
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## message-1367547582716317891
**2025-05-01T17:05:51.525+00:00 — digshadow**
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The lines were resolution tests
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## message-1367547689419407531
**2025-05-01T17:06:16.965+00:00 — digshadow**
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Basically trying different parameters if we made it through the wafer
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## message-1367703927587471360
**2025-05-02T03:27:07.047+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Working on some camera type stuff
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## message-1367712703120015411
**2025-05-02T04:01:59.297+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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More camera stuff
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## message-1384635852902371481
**2025-06-17T20:48:32.622+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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I would like to know more about this!
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## message-1408996616400146483
**2025-08-24T02:09:31.241+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I'm confused. Running global routing is what I'm trying to do?
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## message-1422937667204808937
**2025-10-01T13:26:16.765+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1422937701522346004
**2025-10-01T13:26:24.947+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1422937701522346004`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
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There's just something so funny about this 😆
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## message-1422953799936381039
**2025-10-01T14:30:23.108+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
- Message ID: `1422953799936381039`
- Author ID: `1071653002986926112`
- Nickname: algofoogle (Anton Maurovic)
- User name: algofoogle
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1422953799936381039
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**Content**
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Such a cute little core!
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## message-1423012580561129532
**2025-10-01T18:23:57.501+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1423012580561129532`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1423012580561129532
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Do you really need 4 ground pins ? 😅
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## message-1423013566348267662
**2025-10-01T18:27:52.531+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1423013566348267662`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1423013566348267662
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That's ~1mm^2? Makes it obvious why I was wondering about just having pins on a single side, you could probably fit 11 of the 12 pins while massively increasing the core area
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## message-1423014077084733481
**2025-10-01T18:29:54.3+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1423014077084733481`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Who doesn't? 😄 No, that was just a quick chip for creating a reproducible for Tim E.
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## message-1423015154202968083
**2025-10-01T18:34:11.105+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1423015154202968083`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
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Yes, the ratio between padring and core is massive in this case. You might be able to use the LibreLane padring script as a starting point to adjust the padring to only a single side. If this is already possible in OpenROAD today, I can then adjust the default script to allow this directly.
```
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## message-1423016793521524929
**2025-10-01T18:40:41.949+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1423016793521524929`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
- Type: `Default`
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Needing this is a little way off as we'd need to have options to subdivide the dies first, but it's on my list of things to play with at some point 🙂
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## message-1423018673731407873
**2025-10-01T18:48:10.226+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1423018673731407873`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
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Well, you can already subdivide a die yourself and submit several of your sub-dies at once.
The individual dies won't be separated, of course, but we should still be able to bond the ones around the edges 😉
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## message-1423025876177653880
**2025-10-01T19:16:47.423+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Even though it is super funny, it is also super cool!
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## message-1423029024237551688
**2025-10-01T19:29:17.979+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1423029024237551688`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1423029024237551688
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Chip with just 4 pads. Power, ground, two bidir (clock provided by ring oscillator).
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## message-1423030878296215663
**2025-10-01T19:36:40.021+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I think you can team up with @RebelMike and share a subdivided die 😁
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## message-1423030957438537729
**2025-10-01T19:36:58.89+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I don't know what I would even put on there
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## message-1423030973846782104
**2025-10-01T19:37:02.802+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Something I²C, I guess?
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## message-1423031373555433502
**2025-10-01T19:38:38.1+00:00 — urish**
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USB
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## message-1423031519080874095
**2025-10-01T19:39:12.796+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That sounds like a challenge. Doesn't that require precise timing? Out of a ring oscillator?
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## message-1423031553554120745
**2025-10-01T19:39:21.015+00:00 — urish**
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(Precisely Clocking 12 MHz internally is a challenge left to the reader)
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## message-1423031796945260554
**2025-10-01T19:40:19.044+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I mean, how does the USB protocol work? Surely, there is some pre-defined discovery packet that is sent by the host? That could be used to tune the ring oscillator.
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## message-1423031865224466634
**2025-10-01T19:40:35.323+00:00 — urish**
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ATtiny85's internal RC osc can somehow manage USB
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## message-1423032065494089778
**2025-10-01T19:41:23.071+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh, yeah, USB packets literally start with a bunch of even pulses as a clock sync.
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## message-1423032249892212819
**2025-10-01T19:42:07.035+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But not sure how you'd tune a ring oscilator off of that
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## message-1423032276542951434
**2025-10-01T19:42:13.389+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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THAT I will leave as a challenge to the reader
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## message-1423032713878704231
**2025-10-01T19:43:57.658+00:00 — urish**
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I guess you could also try to get a clock through VDD somehow
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## message-1423032827334754345
**2025-10-01T19:44:24.708+00:00 — urish**
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like swing it between 3V and 3V3 at 12MHz (or whatever you need), and then use that internally to generate the clock
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## message-1423033101726122035
**2025-10-01T19:45:30.128+00:00 — urish**
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an easy-ish way to create it would be to connect the VDD pin to the power supply through a FET in parallel with a diode
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## message-1423033204931297360
**2025-10-01T19:45:54.734+00:00 — urish**
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then you feed the clock to the FET, and whenever the FET is off, the voltage will drop by the diode forward voltage drop
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## message-1423033895086981296
**2025-10-01T19:48:39.28+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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We have OTP, right? So, you first start in a mode where you can blow OTP bits somehow to tune the ring oscillator. Then once that's within tolerances you blow a bit that permanently turns the device into a USB
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## message-1423033962946891911
**2025-10-01T19:48:55.459+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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One way a ring oscillator could be made tuneable is by using transmission gates to bypass some of the inverters. Have one path that goes through the inverters and one path that goes around them. I'm not sure if that'll provide ultra fine control, but it doesn't need to be perfect. The clock only needs to line up with the USB data bits for one packet before the next one re-tunes the oscillator.
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**2025-10-01T19:48:59.457+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Okay, now I'll stop!
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## message-1423034211790749836
**2025-10-01T19:49:54.788+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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(The idea of using a NFET and DAC as a digitally controllable impedance to speed down the oscillator also occured to me, but I'm not sure how well that'd work, actually)
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## message-1423034627421110294
**2025-10-01T19:51:33.882+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Not really feasible, since you need to dynamically account for drift of the oscillator by supply voltage and temperature.
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## message-1423047073611382846
**2025-10-01T20:41:01.285+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Reminds me of some very old 4 pin PIC10F devices which had a shared GPIO/VDD pin and a large internal capacitor with specs of how long you could pull the GPIO line low.....
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## message-1423047374196179116
**2025-10-01T20:42:12.95+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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PLL on the USB packet with oscillator as initial frequency input is how the SiLab HappyGecko parts are able to meet spec without an external crystal
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## message-1423050264138481806
**2025-10-01T20:53:41.966+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1423050407516569722
**2025-10-01T20:54:16.15+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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😛
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## message-1423752140198907966
**2025-10-03T19:22:42.259+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I finished developing a software network stack to run on my RISC-V core on my GFMPW-1 chips.
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## message-1423752157844340736
**2025-10-03T19:22:46.466+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1423752917621542912
**2025-10-03T19:25:47.611+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Powering on the board does this
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## message-1423753086350004314
**2025-10-03T19:26:27.839+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I need to turn this around and make it capable of accepting incoming TCP connections.
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## message-1423753183452332264
**2025-10-03T19:26:50.99+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Will I be the first person to get open-source custom silicon connected to the internet? Or host a website with it?
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## message-1423754179851194540
**2025-10-03T19:30:48.55+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1423754179851194540`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I went the extra mile to support both IPv4 *and* IPv6 **and** auto-configuration for both.
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## message-1423790721890255061
**2025-10-03T21:56:00.851+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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This is impressive.
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## message-1423793682368434238
**2025-10-03T22:07:46.684+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1423793682368434238`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/gfmpw1-multi-bringup/tree/main/TholinRISCV/Software/Ethernet
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## message-1423793699686711378
**2025-10-03T22:07:50.813+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1423793699686711378`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Type: `Default`
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The source code is here, btw
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## message-1423794571233595492
**2025-10-03T22:11:18.606+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Tholin - That is super cool!
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## message-1423794906823921804
**2025-10-03T22:12:38.617+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I guess depends on how you define that -- @carlfk put the Tiny Tapeout board on the internet but I think that is cheating. I wonder if you could run ppp over the uart to the Linux core.....
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## message-1423795071475650650
**2025-10-03T22:13:17.873+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1423795071475650650`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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Due to the fact that dial-up modems once existed, you can actually pipe a network connection over UART to this day with some basic Linux utilities.
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## message-1423796107401756723
**2025-10-03T22:17:24.857+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - I think the Tiny Tapeout Linux core might be too slow? I think there are some real time requirements for PPP? I've forgotten what was the thing that we used before PPP.
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## message-1423796700857892985
**2025-10-03T22:19:46.348+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Also, I wouldn't say your work above is particularly off-topic, seems very much on topic to me.
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## message-1423798589393469512
**2025-10-03T22:27:16.61+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Well, its more software dev on a RISC-V core
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## message-1423798611849908285
**2025-10-03T22:27:21.964+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Its just that the core happens to be custom silicon
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## message-1423880147681148999
**2025-10-04T03:51:21.621+00:00 — urish**
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- Author ID: `732347216412278825`
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The original one only supports 8mb PSRAM, so it's not sufficient to run the TCP/IP stack
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## message-1423880385024229436
**2025-10-04T03:52:18.208+00:00 — urish**
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I recently patched it to support 16mb so the future version (on ttsky25a/ttihp25b) might be able to
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## message-1423882117695279134
**2025-10-04T03:59:11.309+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@urish - Cool!
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## message-1423882495018930256
**2025-10-04T04:00:41.27+00:00 — urish**
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Hirosh is also currently working on adding FIFO to the UART to make it more reliable
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## message-1423952150706520104
**2025-10-04T08:37:28.48+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Are you thinking of SLIP? I remember THOSE good ol’ days 😉
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## message-1423952470383657001
**2025-10-04T08:38:44.697+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
- Message ID: `1423952470383657001`
- Author ID: `1071653002986926112`
- Nickname: algofoogle (Anton Maurovic)
- User name: algofoogle
- Type: `Default`
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Btw @Tholin , awesome and exciting work as usual 🙂 What I really want to know is how you managed to crack the usual limit of 24 hours per day in order to get all of this done 😉
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## message-1423963375213346816
**2025-10-04T09:22:04.611+00:00 — Xobs (@xobs)**
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- Author ID: `261705597529882627`
- Nickname: Xobs
- User name: xobs
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SLIP is still very much alive. The ESP32 uses it to communicate with its bootloader, for example.
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## message-1423973740869451836
**2025-10-04T10:03:15.976+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
- Message ID: `1423973740869451836`
- Author ID: `1071653002986926112`
- Nickname: algofoogle (Anton Maurovic)
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Oh cool, and unexpected 🙂
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## message-1424079288797495358
**2025-10-04T17:02:40.563+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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Probably!
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## message-1425303980963008592
**2025-10-08T02:09:09.929+00:00 — carlfk**
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> 40000 / 3600
> 11.11111111111111
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## message-1425304144692117585
**2025-10-08T02:09:48.965+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1425304144692117585`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
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**Content**
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11 hours for 40,000 seconds? I thought it was nore like 20 hours?
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## message-1425304196076408833
**2025-10-08T02:10:01.216+00:00 — carlfk**
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- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
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or mayb eit was 3 sec per die = 33 hours
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## message-1425312858752811039
**2025-10-08T02:44:26.559+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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You may have had part of my calculation in your head when it was
28 reticles * 40 projects * 50 wafers = 56000 dies
56000/3600 = 15.55
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## message-1425317730638102638
**2025-10-08T03:03:48.107+00:00 — carlfk**
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- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
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that sounds about right
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## message-1426660745948696657
**2025-10-11T20:00:27.909+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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https://testing.tholin.dev/
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## message-1426660774818091079
**2025-10-11T20:00:34.792+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Now hosting a website on my custom silicon
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## message-1426660830664986624
**2025-10-11T20:00:48.107+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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It'll remain online for as long as the 18650 powering it lasts.
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## message-1426660984243622038
**2025-10-11T20:01:24.723+00:00 — madbrain (@mrmadbrain)**
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- Author ID: `316742122751655939`
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it's kinda meta 😛
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## message-1430997050962481162
**2025-10-23T19:11:23.589+00:00 — HardWall (@hardwall)**
- Message ID: `1430997050962481162`
- Author ID: `600324974296956938`
- Nickname: HardWall
- User name: hardwall
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1430997050962481162
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I'm curious what people here make of this: https://tenstorrent.com/vision/tenstorrent-announces-open-chiplet-atlas-ecosystem
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## message-1431375817304440984
**2025-10-24T20:16:28.522+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1431375817304440984`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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@HardWall - Multiple people have attempted this - none have succeeded. https://antmicro.com/blog/2020/10/open-chiplet-initiative/
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## message-1431377409604845739
**2025-10-24T20:22:48.156+00:00 — HardWall (@hardwall)**
- Message ID: `1431377409604845739`
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It's true until it's not. I have a bit of a bias since I'm kind of a keller fanboy, but I really don't understand the industry enough to make an educated guess.
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## message-1431377840632238183
**2025-10-24T20:24:30.921+00:00 — HardWall (@hardwall)**
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My understanding though is that chiplet designs will be by their nature inferior to the same design but integrated on the same die. But more composable and faster turnaround. ( again, i'm not sure I even understand properly what I'm talking about)
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## message-1431379828342263960
**2025-10-24T20:32:24.828+00:00 — HardWall (@hardwall)**
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- Author ID: `600324974296956938`
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Wow, threw Claude a request to do some research, You weren't kidding, the world is littered with the bodies of chiplet interconnect initiatives.
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## message-1431432199806259331
**2025-10-25T00:00:31.158+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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If this were ever to be a thing, I think the first step would be an open source [SerDes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SerDes) for ASIC design.
I was speaking with @carlfk the other day about putting HDMI on an ASIC design and he said this part was still a current hurdle.
Chiplets--at least the current versions from AMD--all communicate over SerDes.
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## message-1431455236605608079
**2025-10-25T01:32:03.559+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The problem turns out to be economics -- at the moment chiplets makes sense when things are very expensive -- but to get an ROI you need to sell a lot of units, thus if you are selling lots of units you want the chiplets to be customized for your use case.....
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## message-1431522960832724992
**2025-10-25T06:01:10.273+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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I was under the impression that some of the economics came from just yield gains?
I also personally think some of the coolest stuff (other than wafer.space) happening right now is in the packaging space.
@HardWall I do see a potential case *maybe* where the design for the opposing interconnect would be designed by the one party. And the second party can put that into their design.
Also something else, is if you start to think of things like PCBs where you have a series of components on a PCB, a similar concept would be a series of dies on a silicon interposer.
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## message-1431841504938164308
**2025-10-26T03:06:57.106+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Andrew Wingate - Below 5nm, chiplets ***do*** make sense for making these high end chips (for yield and other cost reasons).
The problem is the chiplet marketplace / reuse idea.
Basically, the people working on these high end nodes need to make a large number of parts to recoup the cost of the design. When you go, "I'm going to need to make 1 million of these parts" then it pretty much always makes sense to customize the chiplet for that part.
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## message-1444888126144385095
**2025-12-01T03:09:33.996+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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🥵
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## message-1444895374186647713
**2025-12-01T03:38:22.064+00:00 — Marcus (@bigturtle8)**
- Message ID: `1444895374186647713`
- Author ID: `585619259888107520`
- Nickname: Marcus
- User name: bigturtle8
- Type: `Reply`
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I feel like I've seen this program before and it looks very nice, could i ask what it is
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## message-1444895659806294228
**2025-12-01T03:39:30.161+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1444895659806294228`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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`btop`! https://github.com/aristocratos/btop
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## message-1445020377637191751
**2025-12-01T11:55:05.209+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I generally use htop
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## message-1446212702765842534
**2025-12-04T18:52:57.672+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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looks like this'll be roughly what I tape out, modulo a few last minute tweaks!
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## message-1446213370272284834
**2025-12-04T18:55:36.818+00:00 — urish**
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gorgeous!
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## message-1446257644208914553
**2025-12-04T21:51:32.547+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Memory Bank
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## message-1446258509292245294
**2025-12-04T21:54:58.799+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1446258509292245294`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-04T21:55:05.974+00:00
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**Content**
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haha yeah, it's basically memory with a some logic thrown in for fun 😂
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## message-1446282741032419449
**2025-12-04T23:31:16.096+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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That is pretty cool! Specially seeing the SRAM layout.
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## message-1446286300926709851
**2025-12-04T23:45:24.841+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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thanks! took some finagling to get everything placed nicely. I knocked together a quick tool to make it easier to hand edit/place macro blocks, i'll upload it tonight when I get home in case anyone else wants to use it.
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## message-1446286485832732732
**2025-12-04T23:46:08.926+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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not entirely certain this is needed now that I discovered the 9T cells, but having everything physically close instead of columns helped get timing issues under control
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## message-1446311554558464081
**2025-12-05T01:25:45.776+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@BreakingTaps - Also this is very on topic....
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## message-1446313357257871492
**2025-12-05T01:32:55.573+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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For some reason discord won't let me forward your message to #general....
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## message-1446313412652040355
**2025-12-05T01:33:08.78+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Cool!
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## message-1446431488651558935
**2025-12-05T09:22:20.292+00:00 — urish**
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Nice to see all the wafer.space logos that were not picked:
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## message-1446431490505445376
**2025-12-05T09:22:20.734+00:00 — urish**
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https://www.freelancer.in/contest/logo-design-for-waferspace-2545806/entries
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## message-1446559793635524771
**2025-12-05T17:52:10.584+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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## message-1446559858168955043
**2025-12-05T17:52:25.97+00:00 — urish**
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Nice!
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## message-1446661633056309328
**2025-12-06T00:36:50.994+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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I never noticed the dies in the logo are 'W' and 'S' for wafer.space.
Thought that was neat.
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## message-1446667310822723704
**2025-12-06T00:59:24.679+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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Hah! missed that as well, clever 🙂
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## message-1446734231354081312
**2025-12-06T05:25:19.777+00:00 — urish**
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Same here
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## message-1446764649306521640
**2025-12-06T07:26:11.982+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Wanna share the code which produces that?
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## message-1446764769292845119
**2025-12-06T07:26:40.589+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The W and S where inspired by things like the hidden arrow in the Fedex logo 🙂
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## message-1446957854094528683
**2025-12-06T20:13:55.593+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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off to camp in the woods for the weekend, hope nothing breaks while I'm gone 😂
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## message-1447054947781836930
**2025-12-07T02:39:44.532+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Enjoy!
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## message-1448688667509129357
**2025-12-11T14:51:33.668+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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🥳
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## message-1449450491892334602
**2025-12-13T17:18:46.755+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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Are there MPW shuttles out there for "more" modern nodes, say 22-65nm? Obviously would need NDA and probably be a lot more expensive. Was just curious now that I've been bitten by the silicon bug 😅
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## message-1449450614969860280
**2025-12-13T17:19:16.099+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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or do you have to go and buy a full wafer from the fab at more modern nodes?
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## message-1449451245634064435
**2025-12-13T17:21:46.461+00:00 — urish**
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Check out Europractice and muse semi for some
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## message-1449451470834630787
**2025-12-13T17:22:40.153+00:00 — urish**
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Surprisingly, signing the NDA can sometimes take longer than the shuttle's turnaround
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## message-1449452677103751270
**2025-12-13T17:27:27.75+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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will take a look, thanks!
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## message-1449452727968202954
**2025-12-13T17:27:39.877+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1449452727968202954`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1449452727968202954
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/off-topic/2025-12/2025-12.json
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**Content**
```text
and oof, that sounds awful. why so long for NDA and paperwork?
```
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## message-1449459348957958318
**2025-12-13T17:53:58.444+00:00 — urish**
- Message ID: `1449459348957958318`
- Author ID: `732347216412278825`
- Nickname: urish
- User name: urish
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1449459348957958318
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```text
I ask - why NDA at all?
```
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## message-1449466838399455443
**2025-12-13T18:23:44.066+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1449466838399455443`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1449466838399455443
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**Content**
```text
hah yeah that's fair. especially for older nodes, it's not like there's a lot of cutting edge IP that could be reverse engineered there... presumably the industry knows all the tricks already and has applied it to the latest nodes
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## message-1449488708783964222
**2025-12-13T19:50:38.372+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1449488708783964222`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1449488708783964222
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/off-topic/2025-12/2025-12.json
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- https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1449450491892334602
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**Content**
```text
I think my employer has used IMEC for MPW tapeouts on non-cutting-edge TSMC (e.g. 40LP): https://www.imeciclink.com/en/asic-fabrication/mpw-schedules-2025
```
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## message-1449488914766368818
**2025-12-13T19:51:27.482+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1449488914766368818`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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```text
it's more of a "send an email and talk to a guy" experience rather than an online shopping experience
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## message-1449489458507284622
**2025-12-13T19:53:37.12+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1449489458507284622`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
also I don't think just booking an MPW slot is enough to actually get your hands on the design rule manual, foundry cell libraries and foundry RAM compiler etc for your process. That part probably involves talking directly to TSMC. I've luckily been insulated from this 😅
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## message-1449489879263215707
**2025-12-13T19:55:17.436+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1449489879263215707`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-13T19:55:35.909+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1449489879263215707
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/off-topic/2025-12/2025-12.json
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**Content**
```text
The real magic of wafer.space for me so far has been that the PDK is open, and equally importantly that people like Leo have done a ton of work to put a baseline flow together so you can get to GDS on day 1 and then iterate from there
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## message-1449498608415281152
**2025-12-13T20:29:58.628+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1449498608415281152`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
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fascinating. I knew the industry was pretty locked down, didn't realize it was to that degree
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## message-1449498663800799232
**2025-12-13T20:30:11.833+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1449498663800799232`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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**Content**
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makes me appreciate TT and wafer.space even more!
```
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## message-1449501792361779271
**2025-12-13T20:42:37.74+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1449501792361779271`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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**Content**
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Some of us have been fighting the industry mindset for decades. It's a wonderful feeling to see some progress come out of all of that, finally.
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## message-1449541886196056198
**2025-12-13T23:21:56.855+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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> Here’s a more professional and polished version of your Markdown — ready to paste directly into your README.md:
I...would suggest getting rid of that line
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## message-1449583403266478101
**2025-12-14T02:06:55.296+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1449583403266478101`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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Because lawyers are involved and nobody really has an incentive to make it better.
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## message-1449583988946632734
**2025-12-14T02:09:14.933+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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I assume @Andrew Wingate asked an AI to make his words seem more professional and had a copy and paste oppsie.
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## message-1449584135562592417
**2025-12-14T02:09:49.889+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1449584135562592417`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
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Lmao. Oops
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## message-1449584320326144000
**2025-12-14T02:10:33.94+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1449584320326144000`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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- Edited: 2025-12-14T02:10:46.999+00:00
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BTW Most foundries have MPW programs. My understand is that most of these MPW programs *lose* the foundry money which leads to them being very restrictive about what you can do with their MPW program.
Both EuroPractice / MOSIS also **lose** money and can only continue to run with government grants and such.
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## message-1449585001657270392
**2025-12-14T02:13:16.382+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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I did this comparison back in 2022 - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rGOHsDU8XALX7jKw31Q59y3njZ0865T2qZPzhHIjIYo/edit?tab=t.0
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## message-1449585225909665854
**2025-12-14T02:14:09.848+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1449585225909665854`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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One of my goals with wafer.space is to show that you can run an MPW service for profit (with both the MPW company is making money, the foundry is making money) and then slowly take over the rest of GF's MPW program.
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## message-1449585287029068047
**2025-12-14T02:14:24.42+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1449585287029068047`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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(goals might be the wrong word -- maybe dreams?)
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## message-1449585497922863315
**2025-12-14T02:15:14.701+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1449585497922863315`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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My (very limited) understanding is their current MPW program consumes somewhere between $50m and $100m in ongoing funding every year.
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## message-1449784227502625032
**2025-12-14T15:24:55.525+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1449784227502625032`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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- User name: polyfractal
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woah crazy, I didn't realize they were net-negatives to the foundry. guess they view it as a necessary evil and "marketing", but not something they really want to support
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## message-1449807564274405428
**2025-12-14T16:57:39.445+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1449807564274405428`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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Hello @Tim 'mithro' Ansell could you create a new channel for PCB design where we can discuss?
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## message-1450231285371899975
**2025-12-15T21:01:22.427+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1450231285371899975`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1450231285371899975
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Perhaps this will inspire some people to help me ^^;
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## message-1450272963856433212
**2025-12-15T23:46:59.352+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I think most people have been using the #📦-cob channel for now?
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## message-1450279395901051022
**2025-12-16T00:12:32.871+00:00 — Tea-Rex (@the.tearex)**
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- Author ID: `691655950737866834`
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hey @Tim 'mithro' Ansell nice community! this is alex from linkedin \:)
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## message-1450279582535127082
**2025-12-16T00:13:17.368+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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You'll have to remind me who that is, I have a terrible memory 🙂
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## message-1450279777683636234
**2025-12-16T00:14:03.895+00:00 — Tea-Rex (@the.tearex)**
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😅 No worries
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## message-1450908917738770442
**2025-12-17T17:54:02.573+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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pushed the button this morning, exciting / terrifying! Cheers to all the folks who made Wafer.space possible. even if my silicon comes back totally useless it was a fun project. excited to make a video about it and share WS more widely with folks!
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## message-1450932763606913155
**2025-12-17T19:28:47.871+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Now you have your life back.
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## message-1450943272217481409
**2025-12-17T20:10:33.319+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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at least for a little while, then I have to write an assembler/compiler/simulator and documentation 😅
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## message-1450948236801081507
**2025-12-17T20:30:16.968+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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AI is your friend
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## message-1450948283026505828
**2025-12-17T20:30:27.989+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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5 minutes job 🙂
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## message-1450977263263678485
**2025-12-17T22:25:37.416+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I found a few more minor bugs in my RTL. Cutting it a little close now!
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## message-1450977321971482717
**2025-12-17T22:25:51.413+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Turned of all the DRC and just crossing my fingers the precheck passes first try.
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## message-1450982041377312891
**2025-12-17T22:44:36.607+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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hah, well, with a TTA all the tricky work is in the compiler (the compiler handles all the timing, register bypassing, etc etc)
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## message-1450982218959945861
**2025-12-17T22:45:18.946+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Die Panik hatte ich auch gestern!
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## message-1450988227816063087
**2025-12-17T23:09:11.569+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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Same here 🙃
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## message-1450988344241557646
**2025-12-17T23:09:39.327+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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If I don’t get zero antenna violations on this current run, its toast!
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## message-1450990006276718801
**2025-12-17T23:16:15.587+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its clear
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## message-1450990093631361205
**2025-12-17T23:16:36.414+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I opened the GDSII in KLayout and did a DRC check with my own eyeballs, since I’m just looking for the PDN bug.
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## message-1450993977695408312
**2025-12-17T23:32:02.447+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Precheck running
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## message-1451023066422317088
**2025-12-18T01:27:37.74+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Thank you for getting involved. I'm super excited to see the eventual video. If you need anything from us to help make the video better please don't hesitate to ask!
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## message-1451023184097710080
**2025-12-18T01:28:05.796+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I think that is called the "real industry flow" 😛
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## message-1451027128761188392
**2025-12-18T01:43:46.277+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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How does the precheck runtime on platform.wafer.space compare to your local runtime?
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## message-1451048445434396692
**2025-12-18T03:08:28.568+00:00 — Tea-Rex (@the.tearex)**
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I look forward to watching it!
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## message-1451080854121087149
**2025-12-18T05:17:15.401+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
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The precheck on platform.wafer.space is running at least 30 minutes faster (on a 4 to 5 hour check) compared to an AWS EC2 c6a.4xlarge instance. I will try to get more accurate numbers.
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## message-1451088009931001877
**2025-12-18T05:45:41.479+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Thorben - That is a useful comparison! The prechecker machines are 2 * Hetzner EX63 with Intel Core Ultra 7 265 (Arrow Lake) and 20 (8 Performance + 12 Efficiency) cores with 192GB of memory.
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## message-1451125315211366542
**2025-12-18T08:13:55.751+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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This is probably much faster than running the precheck locally.
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## message-1451158455619551285
**2025-12-18T10:25:37.04+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Another example of real industry:
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## message-1451158576696660116
**2025-12-18T10:26:05.907+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1451158621206609951
**2025-12-18T10:26:16.519+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That footnote won’t stop me from trying, because I choose not to read it!
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## message-1451235877593284651
**2025-12-18T15:33:15.877+00:00 — Noritsuna Imamura (@noritsunaimamura)**
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- Nickname: Noritsuna Imamura
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```text
I wrote an article about the Wafer.Space GF180MCU Run 1 for the Japanese technology magazine I/O( https://www.kohgakusha.co.jp/io/ , The release date is the 18/Jan, Japan Only).
I hope to see more submissions from Japan next time.
```
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## message-1451311867900334092
**2025-12-18T20:35:13.378+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
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Do you need a high quality wafer.space logo to embed in it?
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## message-1451326817892827239
**2025-12-18T21:34:37.734+00:00 — Noritsuna Imamura (@noritsunaimamura)**
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- Author ID: `754661674145022032`
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It has already been submitted, so it is not necessary.
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## message-1451523469094293659
**2025-12-19T10:36:03.034+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
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- Author ID: `1386929896323944612`
- Nickname: Thorben
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Even better, averaging over 3 runs each, the 1.5.5. precheck on my design took ~6:04 hours on the AWS EC2 c6a.4xlarge instance and ~4:24 hours on platform.wafer.space. A full 100 minutes saved 👍
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## message-1452082944230297793
**2025-12-20T23:39:12.301+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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**Content**
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I took part in a lightning talk competition for the Chicago Python users group. [chipy](https://www.chipy.org/)
For what it's worth I won!! 🎉
Here were the slides from my talk.
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1aJlZnewZyQ7TH-IltYSDIhDfgPEW-apW4D6T0YGUq8k/edit?usp=sharing
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## message-1452280412473655356
**2025-12-21T12:43:52.399+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1452280412473655356`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell @Leo Moser (mole99)
It’s crazy — I started my gate-level simulation on **December 3rd**, and **18 days later**, today **December 21st**, I can finally see the first kernel messages… maybe in **two weeks** it’ll boot into the console.
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**2025-12-21T12:45:53.931+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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This gate-level simulation runs against the Micron SDRAM model, so we’re simulating real SDRAM accesses.
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**2025-12-21T12:48:25.946+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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We have two caches: a 2-way set-associative instruction cache and a direct-mapped data cache. We also have 4-way I-TLB and 4-way D-TLB MMU caches.
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**2025-12-21T12:49:22.913+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I can’t believe that 300k lines of Verilog generated by Yosys (thanx @Lofty) can actually work… that’s crazy.
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## message-1452282605046071473
**2025-12-21T12:52:35.149+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) helped a lot with LibreLane, and his name is immortalized on the chip. Thanks, Leo Moser.
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**2025-12-21T19:15:01.874+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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facts about my remote machine:
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## message-1452397808429695007
**2025-12-21T20:30:21.776+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I wouldn't have the patience to wait for that! 😛
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## message-1452413184509214861
**2025-12-21T21:31:27.719+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Linux booting is great, but that’s an integration milestone, not verification.
Nobody runs full OS workloads in gate level simulation. That’s what FPGA or emulation is for (Shen & Lipasti).
https://books.google.de/books/about/Modern_Processor_Design.html?id=VIWLAAAACAAJ&redir_esc=y
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## message-1452413677528416475
**2025-12-21T21:33:25.264+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I have lots of thoughts about modern processor design coming from my time in Google's compiler & toolchain group.
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## message-1452413979660910693
**2025-12-21T21:34:37.298+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1452413979660910693`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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```text
But I already try to do way too many things at the same time 🙂
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## message-1452418025398603797
**2025-12-21T21:50:41.877+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1452418025398603797`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell , I was excited for three weeks and checked every day, monitoring internal states. I wasn’t sure it would run. If it had run on my local PC, the noise would’ve killed me. Seeing the first output on remote machine today, I shouted with joy.
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## message-1452705259867865251
**2025-12-22T16:52:03.911+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1452705259867865251`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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after the final reticle is stitched and approved by GF, would love to see an image of the combined GDS for it 🙂
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## message-1452705342243733715
**2025-12-22T16:52:23.551+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1452705342243733715`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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would be neat to see all the projects laid out
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## message-1452713628917563412
**2025-12-22T17:25:19.248+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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Unfortunately while a number of projects have put a bunch of effort into aesthetics, some designs are just "how much logic can we cram into the die area" like mine ^^;
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## message-1452714006325231719
**2025-12-22T17:26:49.229+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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Like, mine is 110kgates :p
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## message-1452715362545303553
**2025-12-22T17:32:12.577+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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How do you calculate it?
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## message-1452715475996770474
**2025-12-22T17:32:39.626+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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Yosys tells you
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## message-1452715560667185233
**2025-12-22T17:32:59.813+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1452715560667185233`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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```text
stage 6?
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## message-1452715790976553021
**2025-12-22T17:33:54.723+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1452715790976553021`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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- User name: logic_destroyer
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- Edited: 2025-12-22T17:41:02.668+00:00
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I have in metrics.csv
`design__instance__count__stdcell,136515`
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## message-1452716529589289187
**2025-12-22T17:36:50.822+00:00 — CatIsFluffy (@catisfluffy)**
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You can use \`s to avoid formatting: "\`a\__b\__c\`"->`a__b__c`
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## message-1452716607372791903
**2025-12-22T17:37:09.367+00:00 — CatIsFluffy (@catisfluffy)**
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```text
(Or backslashes if you don't want the code formatting)
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## message-1452717022067556363
**2025-12-22T17:38:48.238+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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hehe mine is similar, bunch of sram blocks and logic crammed in the middle 😅
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## message-1452717884009877525
**2025-12-22T17:42:13.741+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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```
=== chip_top ===
Number of wires: 115772
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`yosys-synthesis.log`
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## message-1452718625218756648
**2025-12-22T17:45:10.459+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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## message-1452719851905745098
**2025-12-22T17:50:02.924+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1452719851905745098`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
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@Lofty, I have a question for understanding: behind the standard cells, are there smaller/bigger “cells” like SRAM? I’d like to know how many transistors there are.
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## message-1452720106055667854
**2025-12-22T17:51:03.518+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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it's worth pointing out that yosys' definition of cell is "an instantiated thing", which would include SRAM blocks, yes
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## message-1452720257268449391
**2025-12-22T17:51:39.57+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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but even then, it's a bit tricky to count transistors
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## message-1452720366299516999
**2025-12-22T17:52:05.565+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I’m using 21 SRAM 512×8 cells. 🙂
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## message-1452721070246461685
**2025-12-22T17:54:53.399+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I was only confused because of the word gates.
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## message-1452721298953470012
**2025-12-22T17:55:47.927+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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````text
```
$ grep "design__instance__count__stdcell" final/metrics.csv
design__instance__count__stdcell,212713
```
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## message-1452721502909894907
**2025-12-22T17:56:36.554+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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@Lofty
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## message-1452721564813496424
**2025-12-22T17:56:51.313+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1452721564813496424`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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yes, stage 6
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## message-1452721744619241624
**2025-12-22T17:57:34.182+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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sorry! Wrong reply
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## message-1452722736605692094
**2025-12-22T18:01:30.69+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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But it's not transistor count 🙁
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## message-1452722905577295872
**2025-12-22T18:02:10.976+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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as I said, transistor count is hard to calculate.
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## message-1452723335913017385
**2025-12-22T18:03:53.576+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I’m not very familiar with this. I thought the primitives might contain such metadata.
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## message-1452723627362353172
**2025-12-22T18:05:03.063+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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yes and no.
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## message-1452723676003959059
**2025-12-22T18:05:14.66+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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the "source" of the gates is gonna be the spice simulation models
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## message-1452723784220934267
**2025-12-22T18:05:40.461+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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but...two transistors in parallel behave identically to a single transistor that is twice as wide
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## message-1452724322211725342
**2025-12-22T18:07:48.728+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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and this isn't just theoretical
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## message-1452724363206856745
**2025-12-22T18:07:58.502+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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.SUBCKT gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__inv_1 I ZN VDD VNW VPW VSS
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here's a size-1 inverter
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## message-1452724410883637369
**2025-12-22T18:08:09.869+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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X_i_0_0 ZN I VSS VPW nfet_05v0 W=8.2e-07 L=6e-07
X_i_0_1 VSS I ZN VPW nfet_05v0 W=8.2e-07 L=6e-07
X_i_1_0 ZN I VDD VNW pfet_05v0 W=1.22e-06 L=5e-07
X_i_1_1 VDD I ZN VNW pfet_05v0 W=1.22e-06 L=5e-07
.ENDS
```
here's a size-2 inverter
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## message-1452724522867494942
**2025-12-22T18:08:36.568+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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so, do we say that the size-2 inverter has 4 transistors and the size-1 inverter has 2?
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## message-1452724589456134174
**2025-12-22T18:08:52.444+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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even though the size-2 inverter can be implemented with 2 transistors of twice the width?
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## message-1452724659966574640
**2025-12-22T18:09:09.255+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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I don't know, I think "number of transistors" is not a useful metric
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## message-1452725919088119828
**2025-12-22T18:14:09.453+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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2189
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## message-1452726548930236589
**2025-12-22T18:16:39.619+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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crazy, why so little?
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## message-1452726616319983848
**2025-12-22T18:16:55.686+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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@tnt
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## message-1452727086094483668
**2025-12-22T18:18:47.689+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1452727086094483668`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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4T cells perhaps? 2048 for the bits and rest is the plumbing?
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## message-1452727232039616759
**2025-12-22T18:19:22.485+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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IDK
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## message-1452727339724046336
**2025-12-22T18:19:48.159+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It's definitely a 6T cell
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## message-1452727451271692410
**2025-12-22T18:20:14.754+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But it's also not a flat model ...
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## message-1452727486499655751
**2025-12-22T18:20:23.153+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It uses subckt instances and such ...
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## message-1452731900459356191
**2025-12-22T18:37:55.523+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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With a 6T cell, we have around 30k to 40k transistors.
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## message-1454626416695181415
**2025-12-28T00:06:03.392+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I miss the sound of running LibreLane ASIC builds. My room gets so hot when my i9-14900K is under load. 🙁
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## message-1454627156150976572
**2025-12-28T00:08:59.692+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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can always start on your next tapeout project 😇
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## message-1455388809045999791
**2025-12-30T02:35:31.893+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Ha, it's 45C here in Adelaide at the moment. I'm keeping most of my servers in the off position at the moment.
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## message-1455648541354627302
**2025-12-30T19:47:36.901+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Holy shit that's hot.
That's 113 in Freedom Units for those that need it
Stay cool!
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## message-1456025297148182672
**2025-12-31T20:44:42.482+00:00 — chvsnaveen12**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell Would you guys be looking at sky130nm as well or is it just gf180nm for now?
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## message-1456051502580891894
**2025-12-31T22:28:50.344+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Just gf180mcu
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## message-1457829829297832090
**2026-01-05T20:15:16.473+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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Read my review of 2025 and goals for 2026 here!
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## message-1457829896934916219
**2026-01-05T20:15:32.599+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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https://www.zerotoasiccourse.com/post/year_update_2025/
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## message-1457829929973579827
**2026-01-05T20:15:40.476+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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Happy new year everyone!
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## message-1457843889175269547
**2026-01-05T21:11:08.609+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Cool!
First I've heard about the mini-MosBius. That's neat!
Looking forward to 2026 as well!!
I also subscribed to your newsletter and look forward to reading those!
Keep up the great work Matt!
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## message-1458625647961313362
**2026-01-08T00:57:34.428+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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I know this is a little different than the steps for GF180MCU, but this asianometry video shows all the steps in making 45nm wafers. (There are a lot of steps, like a whole lot!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUgy29h0alM
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## message-1458985819456012574
**2026-01-09T00:48:46.004+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Great update Matt! That post would be perfectly fine in #general IMHO.
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## message-1459290374458835151
**2026-01-09T20:58:57.575+00:00 — Your account is suspended for (@_banned_user_)**
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- Author ID: `1118481957790154802`
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"die sorter" is, of course, German for "the sorter"
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## message-1462082162554834966
**2026-01-17T13:52:31.726+00:00 — Noritsuna Imamura (@noritsunaimamura)**
- Message ID: `1462082162554834966`
- Author ID: `754661674145022032`
- Nickname: Noritsuna Imamura
- User name: noritsunaimamura
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2026-01-17T14:16:52.653+00:00
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Released the magazine!
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## message-1462660961398821050
**2026-01-19T04:12:28.124+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1462660961398821050`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1462660961398821050
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Just watched another [great presentation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaWkfSmIgRs) from @bunnie about his new chip/architectures.
This looks amazing Bunnie, can't wait to see more!
This also led me to listen to a 14yr old [the-amp-hour-84-bunnies-bibelot-bonification](https://theamphour.com/the-amp-hour-84-bunnies-bibelot-bonification/) podcast where he made a prediction about the future.
He predicted there would not be much architectural improvements, because moore's law was moving so fast, but eventually when that slowed down we would start to see some novel and new approaches.
Seems it's coming true in the best way!! @bunnie did you think you'd be the hero you were looking for? 😉
Anyways, great stuff! Thank you for everything you're doing!
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## message-1462663866373767310
**2026-01-19T04:24:00.724+00:00 — bunnie (@bunnievorpal)**
- Message ID: `1462663866373767310`
- Author ID: `758346146204090390`
- Nickname: bunnie
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Hah! well I've been champing at the bit for years to do something interesting with chips again...but my hope is that all the good people here will soon be putting out cool stuff I couldn't have thought up in my wildest dreams.
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## message-1462665909222117376
**2026-01-19T04:32:07.777+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
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For sure! I think you've definitely set a bar though.
It's great to see
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## message-1462730646450471017
**2026-01-19T08:49:22.335+00:00 — Your account is suspended for (@_banned_user_)**
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FYI these talks are available on media.ccc.de before they're on YouTube
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**2026-01-25T08:41:34.165+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1468826845930848406
**2026-02-05T04:33:29.553+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1469046015007920372
**2026-02-05T19:04:23.533+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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What a domain name😆
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## message-1470451545685622913
**2026-02-09T16:09:28.16+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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Posted a fun thread on twitter about a recent FIB experiment I did with Zeptobars - https://x.com/matthewvenn/status/2020521149713600550
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## message-1473565849523589231
**2026-02-18T06:24:36.056+00:00 — urish**
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Tim, what's your fav animal?
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## message-1474934906495696899
**2026-02-22T01:04:44.674+00:00 — q3k (@q3k_)**
- Message ID: `1474934906495696899`
- Author ID: `214124211034259457`
- Nickname: q3k
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- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-02-22T01:07:33.622+00:00
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Hey there! Hope this is the right place to ask, got directed here by Matt. I threw an efabless OpenMPW GF180 die under the SEM today (not sure which shuttle this was, I was gifted this by a friend who wanted to get some SEM shots of it). Did not do any prep to the die other than cleaning, expected to see the topmost metal layer across whatever passivation later might be on top, same as with the SKY130 dies from an earlier OpenMPW run. However, the die was fully opaque to BSE and only very light contours of... CMP pads? Maybe PDN? were visible with SE imaging. Even at 30kV! Is this just that GF180 has one damn thick passivation layer on top, or am I missing something?
First photo is SE, second is BSE.
(The bright thing in the bottom left corner is copper tape for better sample conductivity. I cannot promise that this is standard procedure for sample prep. The bubbly thing to the right is conductive double-sided tape.)
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## message-1474952155847725251
**2026-02-22T02:13:17.24+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@q3k - Cool! I would love more GF180MCU photos and such
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## message-1474952364275531999
**2026-02-22T02:14:06.933+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@q3k - Maybe look at the stack up diagrams? See https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/analog/layout/inter_specs/inter_specs_3.html @Tim Edwards might know more.
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## message-1474956646630424597
**2026-02-22T02:31:07.926+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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```text
That's definitely Caravel; I can identify the major blocks. Where the layout is visible, it looks like the darker lines are the power distribution network; The horizonal lines would be top level metal, and the vertical lines are the metal under that. Not much else is visible. As to what kind of passivation is on top of the chip, I really don't know. I would not expect anything unusual.
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## message-1475062480719052893
**2026-02-22T09:31:40.739+00:00 — ZeptoBars (@zeptobars)**
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As we just discussed with Matt - this is likely top polyimide passivation layer, which is likely present on GF180.
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## message-1475063086032355338
**2026-02-22T09:34:05.057+00:00 — ZeptoBars (@zeptobars)**
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- Author ID: `413903406588100618`
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Polyimide is all light elements, so weak back-scattered signal.
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## message-1478590734566162576
**2026-03-04T03:11:42.008+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1478590734566162576`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@tannewt - https://shop.m5stack.com/products/unit-poe-with-esp32-p4 <-- That device might do what you wanted (POE+USB Host) with a bit of coding
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## message-1478610628209016892
**2026-03-04T04:30:45.022+00:00 — tannewt**
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Ya! I missed the usb c at the bottom
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## message-1478611182813188209
**2026-03-04T04:32:57.25+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1478612567353200682
**2026-03-04T04:38:27.35+00:00 — tannewt**
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definitely gonna make an order. thanks!
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## message-1478623709236564018
**2026-03-04T05:22:43.782+00:00 — tannewt**
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did it literally just come out? it's first on new products
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## message-1483026859779428405
**2026-03-16T08:59:16.678+00:00 — nmz787**
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https://nw-ai-hub.org/cxr
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## message-1483026929505407057
**2026-03-16T08:59:33.302+00:00 — nmz787**
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28nm TSMC MPW cost covered for eligible applicants
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## message-1486383474427564087
**2026-03-25T15:17:15.973+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1489167073161642137
**2026-04-02T07:38:17.628+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Does anyone else have a problem where this Discord server keeps being shown as unread even when there are no new messages?
I can normally clear it for a while by looking at the announcements channel, but it happens repeatedly.
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## message-1489227810882195488
**2026-04-02T11:39:38.629+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1493505195089596497
**2026-04-14T06:56:26.494+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
- Message ID: `1493505195089596497`
- Author ID: `236632873782738944`
- Nickname: Jason Yang
- User name: .pogeg
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-04-14T06:56:36.451+00:00
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Is it just me, or has gitter.im been down? When I try to log in with web, it says "no login methods available"
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## message-1493505293261475981
**2026-04-14T06:56:49.9+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
- Message ID: `1493505293261475981`
- Author ID: `236632873782738944`
- Nickname: Jason Yang
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- Edited: 2026-04-14T06:57:08.804+00:00
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I've never had a good experience with Matrix in general :<
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## message-1493733243172818985
**2026-04-14T22:02:37.394+00:00 — futaris [AU] (@futaris)**
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https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/nvidia-says-ai-cuts-10-month-eight-engineer-gpu-design-task-to-overnight-job-company-is-still-a-long-way-from-ai-designing-chips-without-human-input
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## message-1494164344991125545
**2026-04-16T02:35:40.077+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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i think I saw it posted somewhere here, what was the rough cost of a GF180 reticle mask set? Seem to recall it's like 100k something?
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## message-1494289751337996378
**2026-04-16T10:53:59.28+00:00 — acidbourbon (@acidbourbon_85117)**
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Hi! Is anyone of you going to be at Hackaday Europe in May? Apart from Mr. Venn, of course 🙂
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## message-1494296517882941531
**2026-04-16T11:20:52.55+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Pretty much all the TT crew will be there not just Matt 😅
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## message-1494874681969217619
**2026-04-18T01:38:17.61+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Somewhere between $100k and $200k depending on feature set and such.
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## message-1494880109998637227
**2026-04-18T01:59:51.753+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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got it, thanks @Tim 'mithro' Ansell!
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## message-1496363691937890464
**2026-04-22T04:15:05.251+00:00 — futaris [AU] (@futaris)**
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https://youtu.be/h6GWikWlAQA
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## message-1496968656746446908
**2026-04-23T20:19:00.101+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Got OSHWA certification on Aegis
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## message-1498245540620537857
**2026-04-27T08:52:52.94+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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@needsadrink|woke I was told you would be interested in my power brick
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## message-1498298164443217991
**2026-04-27T12:21:59.437+00:00 — needsadrink\|woke (@needsadrink)**
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Nice lol
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## message-1499146804791607426
**2026-04-29T20:34:11.063+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
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- Author ID: `351484320432521226`
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- Edited: 2026-04-29T20:39:07.486+00:00
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Do people here have opinions on the best way to get started with FPGA/ASIC design? My background is that I have a Master's degree in computer science, but it contained almost no courses in this direction (only one course where we created a simple RISC-V core in VHDL that ran on an FPGA, which was a lot of fun, but I still feel like I know nothing and should start learning from scratch). I love reading about TinyTapeout and wafer.space and what people do there, and would love to learn about this, but every time I try to get started I get lost trying to figure out the best way to start, and lose motivation.
I would like to create some designs that I can send to TinyTapeout (and maybe even wafer.space, but that's probably a too large investment for a hobby for me), and they don't need to have a practical purpose.
I know the Zero to ASIC course exists, but it's fairly expensive at $700, and I think I'd rather learn from a book/text than videos. But I could afford it and it seems to be the most popular resource aimed at beginners that don't want to study for years before getting something done, does anyone have any opinions if it's worth the price? And are there any other recommended resources? Should I simply find a book about Verilog and read that, and if so, which?
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## message-1499148319933464588
**2026-04-29T20:40:12.301+00:00 — kris (@kris____)**
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i've heard good things about this book https://nandland.com/book-getting-started-with-fpga/ but i haven't personally read it
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## message-1499148390607622245
**2026-04-29T20:40:29.151+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Do you have a particular goal? I don't think $700 is particularly expensive for what all is included
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## message-1499148424338210889
**2026-04-29T20:40:37.193+00:00 — kris (@kris____)**
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there's a verilog/vhdl introduction on that website too
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## message-1499148551543062528
**2026-04-29T20:41:07.521+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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A master's education that would give you the tools for a novel desisgn and tapeout starts around 40k here for reference
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## message-1499148988069187643
**2026-04-29T20:42:51.597+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
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Not really, other than making something (hopefully interesting/unique) and sending it to TinyTapeout. I'm hoping that as I learn, I come up with ideas.
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## message-1499149148887449711
**2026-04-29T20:43:29.939+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
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Cool, thanks for the link.
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## message-1499149208635052193
**2026-04-29T20:43:44.184+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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I feel like I might have a strong contender for the weirdest w.s submission :p
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## message-1499149238892888064
**2026-04-29T20:43:51.398+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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I'd start with fpgas personally then, but its up to you. There's a big "missing middle" problem in EE, where there's lots of stuff to start and almost nothing to bridge the gap between the cutting edge and the start
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## message-1499149417750466760
**2026-04-29T20:44:34.041+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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(usually because you're taking a tiny chunk of any given problem and spending a huge amount of time drilling down into a narrower and narrower spec)
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## message-1499149524579516446
**2026-04-29T20:44:59.511+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
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For me the problem right now is
> there's lots of stuff to start
because I don't know what to choose 😅 So I hoped I could get some opinionated recommendations here to help me with this.
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## message-1499149694419341363
**2026-04-29T20:45:40.004+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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the classic example is a CPU. I think that's boring, so instead I made my chip play chess.
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## message-1499149968508846261
**2026-04-29T20:46:45.352+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
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Yeah, I don't really want to do that (though I don't mind following some tutorial/book that uses this as an example for teaching stuff).
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## message-1499150014667292723
**2026-04-29T20:46:56.357+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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I learned on AMD's university program. You can get free access to fpgas at fpgas.online
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## message-1499150017628213259
**2026-04-29T20:46:57.063+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
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At least a "normal" general purpose CPU
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## message-1499150279210172537
**2026-04-29T20:47:59.429+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
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I assume I need to be enrolled at a university that offers that? Also that sounds too serious for me, I don't want to make this my carreer or anything like that
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## message-1499150308931272756
**2026-04-29T20:48:06.515+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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No its all free
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## message-1499150472412663808
**2026-04-29T20:48:45.492+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Vivado is probably the best environment other than the FOSS tools. EDA is pretty brutal
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## message-1499150719146659981
**2026-04-29T20:49:44.318+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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I have a kind of hot take that you do not need an FPGA to develop for hardware
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## message-1499150739782766592
**2026-04-29T20:49:49.238+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
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Vivado is what we used in the course I mentioned. I hated it 😅
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## message-1499150831109542038
**2026-04-29T20:50:11.012+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
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I'd like to stick with open source tools, assuming that's viable.
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## message-1499150852944957554
**2026-04-29T20:50:16.218+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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that in practice you spend so much time in sim and such that "synthesising the hardware" is kind of the very last step in the process
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## message-1499150917365399624
**2026-04-29T20:50:31.577+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Yeah but having a blinky is nice for students
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## message-1499150939460993197
**2026-04-29T20:50:36.845+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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LibreLane uses FOSS tooling
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## message-1499150970033279107
**2026-04-29T20:50:44.134+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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(including a program I maintain :p)
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## message-1499151059925340373
**2026-04-29T20:51:05.566+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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FOSS tools are plenty viable until you hit certain parts where they arent
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## message-1499151182717915186
**2026-04-29T20:51:34.842+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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They'll work fine for a cpu
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## message-1499151236560191559
**2026-04-29T20:51:47.679+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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I think there's good value in using FPGAs for development, to get a feel for running designs on some kind of hardware with quicker turnaround, but definitely agree that getting used to simulation and testing in simulation early is very worthwhile.
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## message-1499151328239292557
**2026-04-29T20:52:09.537+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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one thing you tend to find out quickly is debugging on-the-metal is a lot more involved than debugging software
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## message-1499151643311083671
**2026-04-29T20:53:24.656+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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harder to instrument things after the fact / instrument things without impacting timing, etc
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## message-1499152102935625779
**2026-04-29T20:55:14.239+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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(I got the impression Leon didn't want to make a CPU...)
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## message-1499152191771119791
**2026-04-29T20:55:35.419+00:00 — kris (@kris____)**
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make a gpu instead :P
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## message-1499152378480295956
**2026-04-29T20:56:19.934+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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Not a terrible suggestion, but I personally kinda suffer from scope creep when given such an idea
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## message-1499152548760649892
**2026-04-29T20:57:00.532+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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I feel like the open toolchain stuff was feeling very good on the supported lattice parts, and it's been a couple years since I've really poked at it, so I'd assume there are probably some other decently supported families. And of course all the work done for going to actual silicon.
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## message-1499152661591757021
**2026-04-29T20:57:27.433+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1499152661591757021`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
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We're a first party toolchain for a vendor now :3
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## message-1499152761064001697
**2026-04-29T20:57:51.149+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1499152761064001697`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
- Nickname: Brian Swetland
- User name: dnaltews
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it really is fun seeing history repeat itself
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## message-1499152979146702919
**2026-04-29T20:58:43.144+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1499152979146702919`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
- Nickname: Brian Swetland
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I remember development in the mid-90s where every workstation vendor, etc, had a proprietary C compiler you had to wrangle with and wrote gcc off as a toy.
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## message-1499153213545254984
**2026-04-29T20:59:39.029+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1499153213545254984`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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I think we're still being written off as a toy
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## message-1499153235473207590
**2026-04-29T20:59:44.257+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1499153235473207590`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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^^;
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## message-1499153525991669922
**2026-04-29T21:00:53.522+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1499153525991669922`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
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oh they won't stop that even after you win
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## message-1499153629507227858
**2026-04-29T21:01:18.202+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1499153629507227858`
- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
- Nickname: Christopher
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- Edited: 2026-04-29T21:01:29.095+00:00
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Substitute CPU for CPU-like (or simpler) abstraction then 😁
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## message-1499153688818876436
**2026-04-29T21:01:32.343+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1499153688818876436`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
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gah. now thinking about arguing with management in the early 2000s because they were convinced we'd be better off paying $7500/seat for the ARM compiler than using gcc
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## message-1499153902291914883
**2026-04-29T21:02:23.239+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1499153902291914883`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
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"but look at how much better it optimizes!"
"you do understand that all the critical path stuff (the vm core, the blitters, etc) are already hand-tuned assembly, right?"
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## message-1499175303765950594
**2026-04-29T22:27:25.748+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1499175303765950594`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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CCGM1A1?
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## message-1499175358732304484
**2026-04-29T22:27:38.853+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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the CCGM1 chips in general
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## message-1499175436566003732
**2026-04-29T22:27:57.41+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1499175436566003732`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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afaik arguably it's just one chip 😄
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## message-1499175457118224437
**2026-04-29T22:28:02.31+00:00 — namibj**
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just multi-chip packaging
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## message-1499175517063086141
**2026-04-29T22:28:16.602+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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eeeeh
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## message-1499175586382221322
**2026-04-29T22:28:33.129+00:00 — namibj**
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but yes
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## message-1499343679117332580
**2026-04-30T09:36:29.56+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1499343679117332580`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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wafer.space is offering $4k USD and $7k USD slots (which get you 1,000 parts), Tiny Tapeout also offers tiles at ~$200 USD.
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## message-1499344495236485150
**2026-04-30T09:39:44.138+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Plenty of RTL developers don't use FPGAs (except by proxy of their very expensive emulation hardware from proprietary vendors having FPGAs inside them). There are plenty of options around using simulation and such too.
I personally think FPGAs are cool because of their speed of iteration. Plus you can always get access to them via https://fpgas.online 🙂
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## message-1499344815979233328
**2026-04-30T09:41:00.609+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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You can get suprisingly quite far with the hardware equivalent of printf debugging (IE blink an LED) -- 🙂
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## message-1499345248541741177
**2026-04-30T09:42:43.74+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Sadly, the Xilinx FPGA support can still be pretty rough in areas and I don't know anything about the state of Altera parts.
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## message-1499345546865934336
**2026-04-30T09:43:54.866+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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The future might perhaps be Gowin parts
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## message-1499483068812230726
**2026-04-30T18:50:22.653+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Asking on the proper channel now, I assume there must be some voltnuts around here right?
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## message-1499608965770772480
**2026-05-01T03:10:38.827+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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https://antmicro.com/blog/2026/04/simulating-active-cooling-using-a-cfd-based-flow is pretty cool 🙂
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**2026-05-01T20:46:16.97+00:00 — namibj**
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I love it when system just breaks and you have to try and fix things when just wanting to take a lunch break...
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## message-1499887732422349011
**2026-05-01T21:38:21.976+00:00 — namibj**
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running again, at least
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## message-1499887972143726715
**2026-05-01T21:39:19.13+00:00 — nmz787**
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I'd recommend https://www.crowdsupply.com/1bitsquared/icebreaker-fpga since they have great tutorials https://docs.icebreaker-fpga.org/getting-started/, also lots of resources https://www.fpga4fun.com/
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## message-1499889254074028033
**2026-05-01T21:44:24.766+00:00 — nmz787**
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apparently this "tang" fpga also is supported with open tools, and looks pretty cheap https://github.com/twied/TangPrimer-20K-example
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## message-1499905014498459670
**2026-05-01T22:47:02.344+00:00 — zyp (@vegard_e)**
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strictly speaking, «tang» is not the name of a fpga, it's the name of sipeed's family of fpga devboards, they're based on gowin fpgas
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## message-1499905847545954475
**2026-05-01T22:50:20.958+00:00 — namibj**
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any specialties from your compsci degree you may consider relevant to being able to do something more interesting than the average FPGA/ASIC "beginner after having finished a master's in compsci" perhaps?
There is of course the potential to work towards a demoscene entry for the spring 2027 competition I'd predict there to be on/with TT?
Unfortunately copyright of early video games (of the arcade era) might be in the way of doing a "remake" of such a game, perhaps using modern extensions/gamemodes to go along with the old.
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## message-1499906174621843509
**2026-05-01T22:51:38.939+00:00 — namibj**
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was wondering why it didn't sound like any familiar fpga family; but gowin explains that well.
Yeah, they do have quite good price/performance and I've heard them to not demand $$$$ vendor tooling to utilize.
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## message-1499967674883506206
**2026-05-02T02:56:01.744+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I would also say that teaching software engineers hardware design has been significantly easier than teaching hardware engineers software design.
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## message-1499968208080470016
**2026-05-02T02:58:08.868+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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There is also the Fomu workshop -> https://workshop.fomu.im -- And if you are at an event I'm also at, then I'll happily give you one of the Fomu boards for free if you show me that you have installed the toolchain.
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## message-1500020431111983245
**2026-05-02T06:25:39.809+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
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```text
Not sure, I haven't been able to come up with something, but currently I'm more worried about learning the basics than figuring out to do once I have.
Demoscene sounds cool, though spring 2027 is quite some time away (and speculative, if I understand your message correctly?).
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## message-1500021827425013911
**2026-05-02T06:31:12.716+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1500021827425013911`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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@Leon - I think there is currently a demoscene competition open right now? https://tinytapeout.com/competitions/demoscene-ttsky26a-announce/
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## message-1500022112486686793
**2026-05-02T06:32:20.68+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1500022112486686793`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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The infrastructure that Tiny Tapeout has which lets you see the simulated VGA output in the browser is super cool.
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## message-1500023758650605670
**2026-05-02T06:38:53.156+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
- Message ID: `1500023758650605670`
- Author ID: `351484320432521226`
- Nickname: Leon
- User name: .leonmc
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2026-05-02T06:39:10.09+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1500023758650605670
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As far as I understand, the deadline for submissions is about a week from now, this is too soon for me 😅
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## message-1500107194966868038
**2026-05-02T12:10:25.924+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1500107194966868038`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1500107194966868038
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hence me suggesting to aim _calmly_ for the one we'd expect a year after.
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## message-1500169570466402488
**2026-05-02T16:18:17.402+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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The best time to plant a tree was 30 years ago, the next best time is today 🙂
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## message-1500193981383049216
**2026-05-02T17:55:17.418+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1500193981383049216`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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- Type: `Default`
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https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1500181556608635151
Honestly doesn't even need to be that huge, but I don't think the thin 0.8 mil wire is appropriate for a 5V output gate consuming on the order of 2~5 W (in what I assume to be mostly the gate "poly" of the GaN die).
Yes that's supposed to be a class-B power amplifier output stage on the wafer.space die into an impedance matching network (on consideration of the capacitive load and trying to be less wasteful, and not melting the wafer.space die).
It'd serve as PoC of the drive so that together with extensive simulation of the larger topology it should be far less risky to get someone to pay for the approximately 4-ish MW of fixed 1:2 ratio (but bidirectional current support) DC/DC converter that one would get out of a single tall-type wafer.space slice.
(The assumed 5x parallel EPC2019 per die amount to just over 9$ per such 5 in quantity. And that's just the semiconductors for the converter; it also needs a bunch of capacitors subjected to about 1% voltage ripple at a (possibly few) dozen MHz.
Sadly not really "cheap" but for reference, substation transformers in that power range had 2019 pricing around 100~150 kUSD. But those are able to do higher ratios so feel free to adjust that by 4x for more comparable scale (assuming the DC/DC unit is segmented into 4 equal-power chunks with one set up for one W.S die in parallel in the stacks, and the others with 2/4/8 in parallel, to create an overall 1:16 voltage ratio).
There's a different topology for higher voltage ratios I have to look at again with the W.S driven EPC-co 200V GaN dies as assumption.
That's technically capable of buck-like down-regulation of operating voltage and the more complex phase-shift control would nominally give full suft-switching at least under compatible load.
I had meant to try a prototype of the topology for a microwave oven to do a monolithic boost-APFC & HVDC regulator (take in grid frequency or "alirack DC" at European voltages, emulate an ohmic resistor to the grid, turn the power into something the magnetron likes, provide good control over magnetron output power over at least a 100:1 range with over 10 dB of PSRR at DC w.r.t. targeted output power, to have an ability for accurate radiation dose control),
...but then I had to move and am now back on TinyTapeout MCML after I found out the project survived the efabless.
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## message-1502929961256878160
**2026-05-10T07:07:05.852+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1502929961256878160`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1502929961256878160
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**Content**
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@peterkinget @xianglin_pu Nice logo!
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## message-1502930910377672715
**2026-05-10T07:10:52.14+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1502930910377672715`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
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- User name: anfroholic
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Beautiful @Tholin!!
-# @kris
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## message-1502978450808639549
**2026-05-10T10:19:46.662+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1502978450808639549`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-05-10T10:19:58.838+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1502978450808639549
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**Content**
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Do you see this fill pattern in the background of my art? That’s not metal. I turned off all metal fills around my art. That is the COMP layer. Its diffusion. Somehow, you can see all the way down to the silicon behind the art.
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## message-1502980142186893452
**2026-05-10T10:26:29.918+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, you can see that also around the wafer.space logo. Good to know for the next run :)
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## message-1502980653879398412
**2026-05-10T10:28:31.915+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Indeed. I wonder if P and N type look different.
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## message-1503079443785056366
**2026-05-10T17:01:05.264+00:00 — peterkinget**
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Credit goes to Cade Gleekel (see https://mosbius.org) who developed the logo.
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## message-1503079622764658758
**2026-05-10T17:01:47.936+00:00 — peterkinget**
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SiO2 is glass so transparent 😉
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## message-1503081652925104288
**2026-05-10T17:09:51.964+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m trying to get the SCL characterization scripts to work in a nix shell instead of the iic-osic-tools container and its failing because numpy won’t load
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## message-1503081797045714974
**2026-05-10T17:10:26.325+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But
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## message-1503094532080795678
**2026-05-10T18:01:02.594+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its because I need to install lctime from my fork on git
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## message-1503094576389427281
**2026-05-10T18:01:13.158+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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And I don’t know how to properly do that in this context
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**2026-05-10T18:04:46.021+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Adding `git+https://codeberg.org/TholinVali/lctime.git` to `extra-python-packages` had no effect
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## message-1503107584142344383
**2026-05-10T18:52:54.448+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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`extra-python-packages` expects a Nix derivation, not a git URL. So you first need to create `lctime.nix` that uses your fork, and then you can use it in the Nix flake, afaik.
You can find some examples at nix-eda: https://github.com/fossi-foundation/nix-eda/tree/main/nix
Best to ask that question on [FOSSi Chat](https://fossi-chat.org), by the way. Donn, our Nix expert, might be able to help you :)
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## message-1503151994678935754
**2026-05-10T21:49:22.745+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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(I have come to have feelings about lctime...)
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## message-1503153034623193128
**2026-05-10T21:53:30.687+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I tried not using nix and just installing the required packages directly into the ubuntu container
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**2026-05-10T21:53:47.425+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Since very few are required for this
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## message-1503153215527456940
**2026-05-10T21:54:13.818+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But the version of magic that installs through apt is too old
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## message-1503153291062677505
**2026-05-10T21:54:31.827+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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And if I build magic from source, it somehow behaves differently than the version from the package manager?
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## message-1503153733897293974
**2026-05-10T21:56:17.407+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I don’t think its parsing the environment variables in this
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## message-1503153741606551682
**2026-05-10T21:56:19.245+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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This actually happened to me on Fedora too. Turns out the magic repo for the package managers is a different repo than the "normal" one
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## message-1503153794232352869
**2026-05-10T21:56:31.792+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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God knows why but the artifacts are built from what's effectively a different branch
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## message-1503153926793461800
**2026-05-10T21:57:03.397+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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For Ubuntu just follow the instructions on Magic's website, it's your safest bet. I ended up doing an Ubuntu distrobox and that worked
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## message-1503154255094349894
**2026-05-10T21:58:21.67+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I was missing the tcl and tk dev packages, I think
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## message-1503156956255486114
**2026-05-10T22:09:05.677+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Look! No nix!
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## message-1503157121544618114
**2026-05-10T22:09:45.085+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Characterization is next, I already did all the prerequisite work
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## message-1503182315248025640
**2026-05-10T23:49:51.732+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1503182321640275989
**2026-05-10T23:49:53.256+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its taking a bit
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## message-1503204718489505863
**2026-05-11T01:18:53.081+00:00 — namibj**
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I almost accidentally made a broken DAC :ferrisBallSweatSpin:
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## message-1503205029622976623
**2026-05-11T01:20:07.261+00:00 — namibj**
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deviated from binary radix in the wrong direction.... good thing alarm bells rung while trying to validate drive strength of SCL latches for use as bit feeds
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## message-1508950172829352106
**2026-05-26T21:49:16.141+00:00 — HardWall (@hardwall)**
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I'll just leave this here:
https://pavona.org/
Not sure I understand exactly what they're trying to do, seems an off-shoot of zero-risc, but it's... interesting.
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## message-1511984759843192862
**2026-06-04T06:47:38.065+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Looking like Tiny Tapeout may need a second slot 👍
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## message-1511991573271937024
**2026-06-04T07:14:42.513+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Andrew Wingate Repo already ready https://github.com/TinyTapeout/tinytapeout-gf-26b 😅
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## message-1511992342091927552
**2026-06-04T07:17:45.814+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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:waferspace: Nice!!
You guys should consider showing more Open Shuttles on your homepage
https://www.tinytapeout.com/
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## message-1511992988442558474
**2026-06-04T07:20:19.916+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But they're not open yet 😅 ( As in, you can't submit it yet ).
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## message-1514150112794902611
**2026-06-10T06:11:58.439+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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100% filled!!
That's awesome Tiny Tapeout Team!!!
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## message-1516062454285729804
**2026-06-15T12:50:56.18+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
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- Author ID: `1386929896323944612`
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Who from this crowd is going to be at FSiC 2026 (https://wiki.f-si.org/index.php/FSiC2026) in Ljubljana in three weeks? I see that at least @Leo Moser (mole99), @Simi, @Chips4Makers aka Staf Verhaegen and myself are giving presentations there. Anybody else presenting or attending?
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## message-1516065314176241715
**2026-06-15T13:02:18.031+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1516065314176241715`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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👋
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## message-1516065345117618176
**2026-06-15T13:02:25.408+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I'm presenting too.
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## message-1516065658792706098
**2026-06-15T13:03:40.194+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1516065658792706098`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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I'm presenting work I did on a custom SRAM register file on sky130 and the test chips are currently with fedex which was supposed to delivery today but delayed it to tomorrow ... result of which will decide if my talk is going to be a post-mortem or not 😅
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## message-1516065780452556800
**2026-06-15T13:04:09.2+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
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Ah yes, right on Monday morning, I see. Looking forward to it 😊
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## message-1516066130438127737
**2026-06-15T13:05:32.643+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1516066130438127737`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Wait, are you Thorben Moos btw ?
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## message-1516066407144755311
**2026-06-15T13:06:38.615+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
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Yes
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## message-1516066474366603386
**2026-06-15T13:06:54.642+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1516066474366603386`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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Oh your bio link seems to indicate yes 😅 When looking at the program I had noticed someone else was coming from Belgium and even more from my Alma Mater
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## message-1516066797386862754
**2026-06-15T13:08:11.656+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Did you do the bonding at Winfab ? I was pondering pinging Christian (Renaux) about getting some time on the bonding machine if I ever needed to ...
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## message-1516068395190190141
**2026-06-15T13:14:32.602+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
- Message ID: `1516068395190190141`
- Author ID: `1386929896323944612`
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Ha, very nice, did not know you're from here 😁 Yes, Christian from Winfab brought me the bonded samples on Friday. They are a little bit protective of their bonding machine at the moment, but as far as I know it's not used too much. And they seem to be getting a new semi-automated one soon (for some definition of soon). Then there's probably more availability and you have a fallback if one is temporarily out of order.
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## message-1516069462741221539
**2026-06-15T13:18:47.126+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1516069462741221539`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Yeah, I studied there INGI then ELEC (was still FSA at the time). And worked for intopix (a ucl spinoff) even before it was spunoff and I so I was in Maxwell for a year or so and also did some odd jobs for Quisquater and FX 🙂
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## message-1516070125814681763
**2026-06-15T13:21:25.215+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
- Message ID: `1516070125814681763`
- Author ID: `1386929896323944612`
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Cool, will be a pleasure to chat with you in Slovenia 🙂
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## message-1516070322724405318
**2026-06-15T13:22:12.162+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Same 😄
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## message-1516071612292661359
**2026-06-15T13:27:19.619+00:00 — namibj**
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now that I'm no longer actively suffering from whatever that bread contained, let's hurry back to get this serializer worked on before anything is too late for it.
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## message-1516077537535463578
**2026-06-15T13:50:52.307+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1516077537535463578`
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VCO core, with enough fingers to let me tap off a single-finger feed to a clock tree without this causing undue load, probably do be aiming at exactly the 2.5 GHz though, maybe probably better like 3 GHz to handle a bit of layout parasitics and process variation.
Then clock buffer.
Then a latch fast enough to accomplish a DIV2 off of this.
Then a mux2 at least that would act as the final MUX in a C2 arrangement.
Then draw at least a plain serializer MUX tree up to have a fallback to submit; the base clock buf cells should be sufficient speed.
After, see how much time is left,
and see how good an inductor would be needed to clock the input-multiplexed current-mode C4 MUX (the pseudo-nmos style architecture of it).
If success, try to make an inductor that's good enough for pulling off a C4 architecture.
If success, go and implement the C4 with FIR taps furnished at the CLK/2 level (i.e., C8).
If inductor trials not success, instead go for some FIR taps at still CLK/2.
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## message-1516077917749248051
**2026-06-15T13:52:22.957+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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You're not targetting gf0p3 are you ?
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## message-1516078390048723014
**2026-06-15T13:54:15.562+00:00 — namibj**
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Well, kinda; thanks for me realizing now that it's not a week but just 4 days.
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## message-1516411601023008900
**2026-06-16T11:58:19.249+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Gave a lightning talk at the Chicago Python Users Group (Chipy)
Hard to talk about much of anything in 5 min, but figured I'd share
https://youtu.be/0ROkPEg5Jl8
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## message-1516488833754202286
**2026-06-16T17:05:12.967+00:00 — namibj**
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Oscillation success:
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## message-1516522578649284682
**2026-06-16T19:19:18.377+00:00 — namibj**
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clock buffer at FO4, though with limited fancyness of harness
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## message-1516523421897457796
**2026-06-16T19:22:39.423+00:00 — namibj**
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food break; then a latch that can DIV2 off of that.
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**2026-06-16T19:44:38.9+00:00 — namibj**
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forward device's drain current density oscillating between approximately 16 and 72 A/m
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## message-1516536004847210658
**2026-06-16T20:12:39.432+00:00 — namibj**
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thanks past-me for making a plan so present-me doesn't wander off of the minimum-viable-submission route.
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## message-1516573719202631783
**2026-06-16T22:42:31.235+00:00 — namibj**
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pair of latches be DIV2-ing
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## message-1516639488326107227
**2026-06-17T03:03:51.816+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1516641074091917414
**2026-06-17T03:10:09.892+00:00 — namibj**
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16 half speed latches @ approx 100 mW each + 4 full-speed latches @ approx 400 mW each + 4 full-speed MUX2 @ somewhere_between_those each, so a "total" of 3.6 ~ 4.8 mW, not counting the clock feed (quadrature phases at both full clock and half clock), and not counting the output predriver limiting amplifier
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## message-1516879859698237671
**2026-06-17T18:59:00.817+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah I don't want to draw the rest by hand, real ugly to tune that way....
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## message-1517004354815787010
**2026-06-18T03:13:42.766+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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I designed some silicon lol.
Maybe I will talk about it someday, this was more of an exercise than something I care about.
A portion of the above was to understand the toolchain so I could make this docker based starter thing.
Some people have asked me for it, so now it exist @carlfk
https://github.com/evezor/wafer_space_docker_based_starter_kit
If someone would mind giving it a quick overview, that would be lovely.
Thanks and hope it's helpful!
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## message-1518150107718221905
**2026-06-21T07:06:31.545+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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@needsadrink|woke Tim is asking me to look into getting the old Skywater masks from the google mpw run.
Would you mind giving me a little assistance there? Please DM me.
Thanks
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## message-1518514897296687154
**2026-06-22T07:16:04.158+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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How do you draw these diagrams? Just by hand in some tool or?
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## message-1518573269291241543
**2026-06-22T11:08:01.126+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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looks like draw.io to me
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## message-1518579648248942622
**2026-06-22T11:33:21.988+00:00 — namibj**
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Hand in drawio.
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## message-1518579825999351999
**2026-06-22T11:34:04.367+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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I'd prefer a less-hand way to get free verification out of it.
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## message-1518579975987527710
**2026-06-22T11:34:40.127+00:00 — namibj**
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I can send you the source this evening if you want.
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## message-1518852373005602877
**2026-06-23T05:37:04.637+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
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Check out https://github.com/hneemann/digital !
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## message-1518872373682507847
**2026-06-23T06:56:33.17+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Cool!
There's also Wokwi which you can use to create designs for Tiny Tapeout
https://tinytapeout.com/digital_design/wokwi/
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## message-1518874837697957889
**2026-06-23T07:06:20.637+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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For smallish things netlistsvg worked okay for a while
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## message-1518885791051415612
**2026-06-23T07:49:52.12+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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As a follow up, https://github.com/logisim-evolution/logisim-evolution this is an alternative program also. I used Digital when I was at uni and it was really nice.
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## message-1520005841384640584
**2026-06-26T10:00:32.929+00:00 — namibj**
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I'm melting 🙁
But I do see hope for the 4:1 MUX (and required clocking feed) getting tested as part of Run2.
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## message-1520006096096464896
**2026-06-26T10:01:33.657+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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40 tomorrow, 39 sunday
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## message-1520006114941468822
**2026-06-26T10:01:38.15+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Gonna have a fun weekend
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## message-1520006185116237916
**2026-06-26T10:01:54.881+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But not gonna stop working
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## message-1520017824720879616
**2026-06-26T10:48:09.979+00:00 — namibj**
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I'll ask and if I'm lucky I'll figure out how to remote into my workstation from the office 😉
Would be awesome for the heatwave situation.
Should just need a sufficiently effective codec to keep my sanity despite the inevitable lag.
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## message-1520446083178696775
**2026-06-27T15:09:54.752+00:00 — gojimmypi**
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For all the Visual Studio developers out there: I've released my best ever version of the Verilog Syntax Highlighter Extension.
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=gojimmypi.gojimmypi-verilog-language-extension
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## message-1520677791174234214
**2026-06-28T06:30:38.243+00:00 — nmz787**
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hopefully low humidity!
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## message-1521330769551953950
**2026-06-30T01:45:20.42+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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not perfect, but pretty happy how this turned out 🙂
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## message-1521339917475778660
**2026-06-30T02:21:41.455+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1521339917475778660
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Looks great!!
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## message-1521869130217685182
**2026-07-01T13:24:35.605+00:00 — Deepak (@deempak)**
- Message ID: `1521869130217685182`
- Author ID: `797470890765582377`
- Nickname: Deepak
- User name: deempak
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Can i add custom chip art on the top and bottom right corner ( similar to the wafer space logo and qr in the left ) ? Or can i only add inside the pad ring ?
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## message-1521915608055283763
**2026-07-01T16:29:16.785+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1521915608055283763`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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yep, you can! I have a little image on the bottom right of mine. I think the top right may be reserved for an arrow this time around (to help the wirebonding alignment) so I think we can't use that corner
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## message-1521943159871901897
**2026-07-01T18:18:45.65+00:00 — Deepak (@deempak)**
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- Author ID: `797470890765582377`
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Hey sure got it thank you much Will use only the bottom right
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## message-1521945329690480722
**2026-07-01T18:27:22.975+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1521945329690480722`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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- User name: mole99
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You are also free to replace the wafer.space logo on the top left. The precheck only checks the bottom left and the top right, if you have CoB enabled.
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## message-1522359990252343306
**2026-07-02T21:55:05.757+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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hah, I was skimming an old Adapteva parallela forum post looking for something and saw @tnt. Guess I shouldn't be surprised 🙂
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## message-1522360587680481371
**2026-07-02T21:57:28.195+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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@BreakingTaps Good old times 😅
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## message-1522364659129389280
**2026-07-02T22:13:38.904+00:00 — cartertu160rner**
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## message-1522826808960094309
**2026-07-04T04:50:04.01+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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Chinese open source 55nm PDK? https://github.com/openecos-projects/icsprout55-pdk
(Found via https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/hDV_g7wtZvxg2IIAZ1XvGA)
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## message-1522829851285913700
**2026-07-04T05:02:09.357+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1522829851285913700`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
@BreakingTaps It was mentionned at FSiC last year but ... Not really open. If you look at it there is not much there. You get a standard cell library but only abstract view, no GDS. No DRC rules or any device simulation model. So you can "assemble" a chip with purely digital design but nothing more, nothing custom, ...
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## message-1522830021692227674
**2026-07-04T05:02:49.985+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1522830021692227674`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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So you can do basically the same you can do with a FPGA.
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## message-1522830374076416000
**2026-07-04T05:04:14+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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ah, welp
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## message-1522830464627249263
**2026-07-04T05:04:35.589+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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maybe some day we'll get a 50-65nm open PDK
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## message-1522992896414978221
**2026-07-04T15:50:02.345+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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I'll just leave this here....
-# Sometimes I feel I should not be allowed to use tools
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## message-1522993098375037098
**2026-07-04T15:50:50.496+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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It's DRC clean btw
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## message-1523005813155958854
**2026-07-04T16:41:21.936+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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**Content**
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haha that's amazing. i can't imagine making it DRC clean too 😄
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## message-1523131817576890408
**2026-07-05T01:02:03.731+00:00 — Machine Kid myyerrol (@myyerrol)**
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Next week at FSiC 2026, we'll be introducing the latest updates on the ics55 pdk, eda tools, and design platform, etc. We have also upgraded the ics55 pdk from tier1 to tier 0. Moving forward, we're planning the roadmap, restructuring the repo based on sky130, gfmcu180, ihp130, and will be gradually releasing the remaining files over the next some months.
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## message-1523138496829718549
**2026-07-05T01:28:36.189+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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Maybe we should indeed re-evaluate your permission to use tools 🤣
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## message-1524066089812754553
**2026-07-07T14:54:31.59+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Are you connected to ics55 in some way?
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## message-1524276907376377976
**2026-07-08T04:52:14.414+00:00 — Machine Kid myyerrol (@myyerrol)**
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Yes, we have integrated the ics55 pdk to ECOS Studio, but now it can only generate partial gds because of some key files haven't be released, so we need to do some works (like DRC/LVS/PEX) by ourselves.
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## message-1524278435902390354
**2026-07-08T04:58:18.843+00:00 — Machine Kid myyerrol (@myyerrol)**
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I read the IHP's slide at the FSiC 2026, their pdk and open mpw shuttle is fantastic, so we will learn from ihp sg13g2, to port more open-source eda tools to ics55, and release remaining data as soon as possilbe.
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## message-1524279979968303184
**2026-07-08T05:04:26.977+00:00 — Machine Kid myyerrol (@myyerrol)**
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And "EuroCDP Open-source PDKS and EDA tooling recommendations" book also give us great help-a good comparison table.
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## message-1524280391542902904
**2026-07-08T05:06:05.104+00:00 — Machine Kid myyerrol (@myyerrol)**
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## message-1525692972824264856
**2026-07-12T02:39:10.726+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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There was an attempt at compression ...
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## message-1525738832555933847
**2026-07-12T05:41:24.538+00:00 — A44 (@a446949)**
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Has anyone figured out an easy way to do GDS art?
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## message-1525742330815054067
**2026-07-12T05:55:18.588+00:00 — kcolley**
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at least the size went down and not up! 😄
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## message-1525853301973975123
**2026-07-12T13:16:16.174+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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Pixel art in magic 👌 ... Okay there might be simpler ...
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## message-1525863129194696835
**2026-07-12T13:55:19.166+00:00 — TheZoq2 (@thezoq2)**
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Have a look at the FSiC talks from last year, there was one on how the pulp team do their art
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## message-1526308296666124349
**2026-07-13T19:24:15.362+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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The current diet: I am sure I can live off this for a few more days ...
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## message-1526660695624515696
**2026-07-14T18:44:33.821+00:00 — vpro**
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I miss HEB 😭
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## message-1526660853045399672
**2026-07-14T18:45:11.353+00:00 — vpro**
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Sometimes I have dreams about HEB salsa, those are good dreams
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## message-1526665513302888604
**2026-07-14T19:03:42.445+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1527136616190181426
**2026-07-16T02:15:42.126+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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just cuz
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## message-1527327125420642406
**2026-07-16T14:52:43.066+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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that's a great shot!
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## message-1527329817274486854
**2026-07-16T15:03:24.854+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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Comes out so well ! 😍
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## message-1527692670175023245
**2026-07-17T15:05:15.727+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell @Leo Moser (mole99) @Andrew Wingate
https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:ux7kshhvcz763o5eu7rzggig/post/3mqtzirifck2p
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## message-1527692979920175234
**2026-07-17T15:06:29.576+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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This is so cool to see! 👏
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## message-1527779240198672454
**2026-07-17T20:49:15.629+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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## message-1527779507774423181
**2026-07-17T20:50:19.424+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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7 hours uptime and still running linux
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## message-1527830575103217695
**2026-07-18T00:13:14.824+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@asic destroyer - That is in no way off-topic! That is #general content.
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## message-1527831095498903573
**2026-07-18T00:15:18.896+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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very impressed you have a working DRAM controller! from the little I've dabbled it feels very non-negligible achievement!
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## message-1527839822788431973
**2026-07-18T00:49:59.644+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I got lucky that everything just fit. In the end it used the very last pin.
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## message-1528168609103478944
**2026-07-18T22:36:28.41+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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How hot do your chips get? I'm measuring 35°C on the top surface of the chip.
@Leo Moser (mole99) @Andrew Wingate @BreakingTaps @RebelMike @Tholin @Greg ...
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## message-1528168851412615330
**2026-07-18T22:37:26.181+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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What clock speed?
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## message-1528169039631880272
**2026-07-18T22:38:11.056+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I hadn't even thought of that. Right now I'm still running at 24 MHz because I'm too lazy to hook up an external clock. But in theory, 35–40 MHz should be achievable.
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## message-1528169964631228466
**2026-07-18T22:41:51.593+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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35° is normal at 24MHz
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## message-1528170093341577296
**2026-07-18T22:42:22.28+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1528170093341577296`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-07-18T22:42:33.918+00:00
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@Tholin Looking at how power scales with frequency, I figure the chip would end up at around 45°C at most. That should still be fine, right?
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## message-1528170194214584442
**2026-07-18T22:42:46.33+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yes
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## message-1528170226208997536
**2026-07-18T22:42:53.958+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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thanx
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## message-1528172283531755721
**2026-07-18T22:51:04.462+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I thought the chip might be running a bit hotter because of all the I/O activity.
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## message-1528225934279442524
**2026-07-19T02:24:15.797+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Cross posting a message from @Tim Edwards
> Calling on all analog designers. . . the Chipalooza Challenge is back! Looking for high-quality open source analog circuits that support system-on-chip. This is a 2-year-long project with five individual challenges covering the three major open source PDKs, with the goal of making SoC designs with analog components portable across all of the major open PDKs. It costs nothing but your (valuable) design time, and awards will be given for successful completed circuits. To participate, join the https://fossi-chat.org forum and go to hashtag#Chipalooza for details and updates!
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## message-1528386951609188404
**2026-07-19T13:04:05.32+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell @Leo Moser (mole99) @Andrew Wingate
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## message-1528398567859818704
**2026-07-19T13:50:14.85+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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I haven't clocked mine faster than like 5hz so far 😄 so not sure how hot it will get. need to carve out some more time to work on bringup
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## message-1528407258319425556
**2026-07-19T14:24:46.817+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1528407258319425556`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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Chipalooza Challenge is off-topic for now but there will be a GF180MCU/Wafer.Space version of it coming soon enough.
@Andrew Wingate : Thanks for posting!
@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : My proposed schedule assumes a Wafer.Space tapeout some time around Feb. 1 next year, so if that target is way off the mark, please let me know. I am also targeting a 2nd Wafer.Space tapeout Aug. 1 of next year, which is even more of a wild guess.
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## message-1528408842566897846
**2026-07-19T14:31:04.531+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1528408842566897846`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1528408842566897846
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Sure thing, sounds awesome. DM'd you a bit about super rough timing outlines.
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## message-1529236570480181248
**2026-07-21T21:20:10.244+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1529236570480181248`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2026-07-21T21:20:52.268+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1529236570480181248
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At 24 MHz, the board draws **80 mA** under normal operation and **100 mA** when accessing the SD card over SPI.
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## message-1529280485430137012
**2026-07-22T00:14:40.384+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Dunno if that is good or bad? 😛
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## message-1529280976578937004
**2026-07-22T00:16:37.483+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1529280976578937004`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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good! sdram, mcu, led, sd card, uart, regulator, flash , wires , pcb and asic
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## message-1529554239116808243
**2026-07-22T18:22:28.349+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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If there's a 28 nm process available, I'd love to build it.
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## message-1529911527577092276
**2026-07-23T18:02:12.556+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
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If any of you will be at **Teardown 2026** I'd love to meet you!
Come find me.
I have also been asked to talk and will have the Sat 1:30 slot.
My slides can be seen here: https://anfroholic.github.io/teardown2026_talk
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## message-1530117274990809173
**2026-07-24T07:39:46.562+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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## message-1530299945830322287
**2026-07-24T19:45:38.684+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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## message-1531395056056140026
**2026-07-27T20:17:13.308+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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**2026-08-01T00:25:47.522+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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## message-1533328672537313500
**2026-08-02T04:20:43.402+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
- Message ID: `1533328672537313500`
- Author ID: `509798510170865675`
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- Edited: 2026-08-02T04:59:47.831+00:00
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Run3 is open! 🎉
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## message-1533631242258354428
**2026-08-03T00:23:01.645+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Great writeup in Ars Technica on Bunnie Huang's Baochip for DEFCON: https://arstechnica.com/security/2026/08/defcons-new-badge-is-a-security-key-you-can-see-inside/
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## message-1533632024085139619
**2026-08-03T00:26:08.047+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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@Essen : Run 3 is off-topic??
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## message-1533650957215203458
**2026-08-03T01:41:22.057+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
- Message ID: `1533650957215203458`
- Author ID: `509798510170865675`
- Nickname: Essen
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- Type: `Reply`
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Alright, maybe not my best work 😅
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## message-1533766009872191548
**2026-08-03T09:18:32.748+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1533766009872191548`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1533766009872191548
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Still great! Can't wait to see your design!!
```
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## message-1533856021053702334
**2026-08-03T15:16:13.086+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
- Message ID: `1533856021053702334`
- Author ID: `509798510170865675`
- Nickname: Essen
- User name: essen__
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2026-08-03T15:16:33.458+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1533856021053702334
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Thanks @Andrew Wingate
On another subject, your meme chip is taking over the humor on my side with phrases like `much food` and `wow fun` creeping into the discourse. 😅
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## message-1533856310523859206
**2026-08-03T15:17:22.101+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
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- Type: `Reply`
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Very thanks!
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## message-1533857961846505542
**2026-08-03T15:23:55.807+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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- Author ID: `509798510170865675`
- Nickname: Essen
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Much response 👌
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## message-1534583731522633809
**2026-08-05T15:27:52.782+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
- Message ID: `1534583731522633809`
- Author ID: `509798510170865675`
- Nickname: Essen
- User name: essen__
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-08-05T15:36:53.202+00:00
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Was it the process of up everything just to realize I ordered the wrong footprint on my ferrite bead and I don't have any replacements in stock ... vdm
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## message-1535472622836654232
**2026-08-08T02:20:00.986+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1535472622836654232`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570943/1535472622836654232
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FO2 buffer on IHP....
C4 clock of 25G....
Promising!
C8 of 10G should be eerily comfy that way (on gf180mcuD), and with enough luck a straight port of what comes for the IHP chipalooza, so.... yeah.....
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## message-1535814064511651922
**2026-08-09T00:56:47.025+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1535814064511651922`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/asm-hall-of-shame is pretty fun
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**2026-08-09T04:23:35.31+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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