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# Thread: Most if not all of the DRC errors should

Category: **ℹ️ - Information**
Parent channel: **#general**
Thread ID: `1424739011846471740`

Messages: **21**

## message-1424739863902814300

**2025-10-06T12:47:33.941+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**

- Message ID: `1424739863902814300`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `21`
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## message-1424739867081834661

**2025-10-06T12:47:34.699+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**

- Message ID: `1424739867081834661`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
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```text
Nice! I'm currently integrating the KLayout DRC deck into the gf180mcu LibreLane setup. This should catch any additional errors.
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## message-1424740324219031604

**2025-10-06T12:49:23.689+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**

- Message ID: `1424740324219031604`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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```text
If you can still recall, it would be great if you could let @Tim Edwards know which errors didn't show up in magic DRC.
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## message-1424745841952030860

**2025-10-06T13:11:19.219+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

- Message ID: `1424745841952030860`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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CO.6a: Metal1 end-of-line overlap contact
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## message-1424746299437092884

**2025-10-06T13:13:08.292+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Example being the version of the aoi22_2 cell at this commit:
https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3/blob/112ea06e961bfe76b10c66805db09410885fccf4/pdk/libs.ref/gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3/mag/gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3__aoi22_2.mag
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## message-1424749247965696100

**2025-10-06T13:24:51.276+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**

- Message ID: `1424749247965696100`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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As far as I can tell, the rule is implemented correctly in magic, and I don't see any error in that layout.
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## message-1424749786913050676

**2025-10-06T13:26:59.771+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I got it after running a flow
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## message-1424750007705145344

**2025-10-06T13:27:52.412+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**

- Message ID: `1424750007705145344`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-10-06T13:28:27.127+00:00
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But I'm looking at the layout and I don't see an error.  Was there a coordinate shown indicating where the error is (or where it thinks the error is)?
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## message-1424750552633315369

**2025-10-06T13:30:02.333+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**

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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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And what tool flagged an error?
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## message-1424750563534442697

**2025-10-06T13:30:04.932+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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It indeed does not show up if the DRC in run on the cell in isolation.
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## message-1424750600876200006

**2025-10-06T13:30:13.835+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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I got it after running KLayout DRC on a flow output
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## message-1424750993710649345

**2025-10-06T13:31:47.494+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**

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I don't get how that's possible, other than a bad implementation in klayout.  How can a minimum overlap be satisified within a cell but violating in a larger context?
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## message-1424751345386127474

**2025-10-06T13:33:11.34+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**

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It would definitely be useful to have the flow output in order to reproduce the error.
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**2025-10-06T13:41:16.185+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

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Here’s the whole run.
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## message-1424753766309171302

**2025-10-06T13:42:48.533+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

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## message-1424767428671311954

**2025-10-06T14:37:05.894+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**

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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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@Tholin :  I can't find the error anywhere in the files.  Where should I be looking?
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## message-1424770433084817438

**2025-10-06T14:49:02.202+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

- Message ID: `1424770433084817438`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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Currently, you have to run KLayout DRC separately through `python $PDK_ROOT/$PDK/libs.tech/klayout/drc/run_drc.py --variant=D --run_dir=drc --path=runs/latest/final/gds/user_project_example.gds`
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## message-1424770461681848390

**2025-10-06T14:49:09.02+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Which is what I’m doing manually after each run.
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## message-1424789490123276418

**2025-10-06T16:04:45.754+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**

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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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That might require klayout with ruby support (which I haven't tried to compile yet)?  I get `ERROR: Can't run macro (no interpreter): /home/tim/devel/open_pdks/Tholin/latest/drc/main.drc`.

Can you post the DRC database output from klayout?
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## message-1424795202727706835

**2025-10-06T16:27:27.745+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

- Message ID: `1424795202727706835`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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## message-1424808156097413180

**2025-10-06T17:18:56.069+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**

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- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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It appears that whether or not this is a rule violation entirely depends on the definition of "end of line".  Since the DRC document does not (as far as I could find) define "end of line", then it remains unknown whether the klayout rule is overly conservative or if the magic rule is not conservative enough.  If the latter, I'm not sure that there is an edge rule in magic that would capture the rule intent.
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