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# Thread: gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3 vs. klayout

Category: **ℹ️ - Information**
Parent channel: **#general**
Thread ID: `1417260587330572428`

Messages: **22**

## message-1421047807573360723

**2025-09-26T08:16:39.117+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**

- Message ID: `1421047807573360723`
- Author ID: `543162393413287956`
- Nickname: htamas
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- Type: `21`
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- https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1417260587330572428
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## message-1421047811146776607

**2025-09-26T08:16:39.969+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**

- Message ID: `1421047811146776607`
- Author ID: `543162393413287956`
- Nickname: htamas
- User name: h.tamas
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1417260587330572428/1421047811146776607
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**Content**

```text
We have a small block hardened with your library on the Tiny Tapeout GF 0p1 test shuttle. It works quite well with librelane. The only issue we had to fix were NP.2/PP.2 violations. The Nplus/Pplus layers are not drawn but autogenerated by magic and they don't take abutment into account. You can fix most cells by extending Nplus/Pplus to the cell boundary (or slightly over). The sole exception is the tap cell where I had to redraw a few layers.
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## message-1421048097341182042

**2025-09-26T08:17:48.203+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**

- Message ID: `1421048097341182042`
- Author ID: `543162393413287956`
- Nickname: htamas
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- Type: `Default`
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This is the patched version we used:
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## message-1421048708749070408

**2025-09-26T08:20:13.974+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

- Message ID: `1421048708749070408`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1417260587330572428/1421048708749070408
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Of course. Same issues as I had in sky130. Now I need to look up the magic properties to set the Nplus/Pplus sizes.
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## message-1421048815980384338

**2025-09-26T08:20:39.54+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

- Message ID: `1421048815980384338`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Its probably something like `string MASKHINTS_NPLUS`
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## message-1421049075041832971

**2025-09-26T08:21:41.305+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**

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it is.
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## message-1421050449678700554

**2025-09-26T08:27:09.044+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

- Message ID: `1421050449678700554`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1417260587330572428/1421050449678700554
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I am going to match up Nplus and Pplus to the size of the Pwell and Nwell and hope that works.
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## message-1421054531306786929

**2025-09-26T08:43:22.18+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

- Message ID: `1421054531306786929`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1417260587330572428/1421054531306786929
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Alright, I made a commit. I did try to automate the generation of the MASKHINTS lines, so please let me know if anything is wrong.
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## message-1421088817133125652

**2025-09-26T10:59:36.558+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**

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- Author ID: `543162393413287956`
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The regular cells are good now, but the tap cell still has a couple of violations.
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## message-1421090777764986912

**2025-09-26T11:07:24.009+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

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Can you give me a DRC report?
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**2025-09-26T12:02:25.414+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**

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```text

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**2025-09-26T12:44:12.697+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

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Okay, another commit. Tap call might be fine now.
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**2025-09-26T13:28:41.714+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**

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Not yet:
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## message-1421126452731973733

**2025-09-26T13:29:09.584+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**

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One thing I'm seeing is that the Nplus/Pplus from the adjacent cells are now overlapping the region in which it is reversed in the tap cell.
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## message-1421127169806958703

**2025-09-26T13:32:00.548+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**

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```text
By the way, you should also add a cdl file:
https://github.com/htfab/ttgf0p1-pdk-snapshot/blob/main/gf180mcuD/libs.ref/gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3/cdl/gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3.cdl
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## message-1421127483801210941

**2025-09-26T13:33:15.41+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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```text
Is that just SPICE netlists?
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## message-1421129643645472841

**2025-09-26T13:41:50.357+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

- Message ID: `1421129643645472841`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Okay, I updated my scripts to generate that too now
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## message-1421129715347095593

**2025-09-26T13:42:07.452+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I tried fixing the tap cell again, but I just have no way of testing my changes right now.
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## message-1421130044964733083

**2025-09-26T13:43:26.039+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

- Message ID: `1421130044964733083`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-09-26T13:43:31.836+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1417260587330572428/1421130044964733083
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Also, these are klayout DRC errors, right? How are doing that? LibreLane on my end just says that KLayout DRC is not yet supported for gf180.
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## message-1421138194103144609

**2025-09-26T14:15:48.945+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**

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- Author ID: `543162393413287956`
- Nickname: htamas
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`python $PDK_ROOT/$PDK/libs.tech/klayout/drc/run_drc.py --variant=D --run_dir=drc --path=whatever.gds`
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## message-1421138622366748744

**2025-09-26T14:17:31.051+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Awesome!
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## message-1421138636090507294

**2025-09-26T14:17:34.323+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**

- Message ID: `1421138636090507294`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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I’ll try that
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