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# #general
Category: **ℹ️ - Information**
Channel ID: `1361349523724570941`
Messages: **5,579**
## message-1361349826884931684
**2025-04-14T14:38:11.386+00:00 — GitHubber**
- Message ID: `1361349826884931684`
- Author ID: `1261384380417445909`
- Nickname: GitHubber
- User name: GitHubber
- Type: `GuildMemberJoin`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1361349826884931684
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2025-04/2025-04.json
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/Information/general/2025-04/2025-04.json
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Joined the server.
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## message-1361353447940690051
**2025-04-14T14:52:34.713+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1361353447940690051`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1361353447940690051
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Testing?
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## message-1361353832063570152
**2025-04-14T14:54:06.295+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
- Message ID: `1361353832063570152`
- Author ID: `492702620759228416`
- Nickname: Matt Venn
- User name: mattvenn
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1361353832063570152
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2025-04/2025-04.json
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hey!
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## message-1361353904842998022
**2025-04-14T14:54:23.647+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1361353904842998022`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/Information/general/2025-04/2025-04.json
**Content**
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Slowly getting things set up
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## message-1361353962753622027
**2025-04-14T14:54:37.454+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1361353962753622027`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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Should have a new website up with a whole bunch more information within a day or two
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## message-1361374226187161701
**2025-04-14T16:15:08.633+00:00 — stuart (@saladchap)**
- Message ID: `1361374226187161701`
- Author ID: `1184268085822238821`
- Nickname: stuart
- User name: saladchap
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1361374226187161701
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2025-04/2025-04.json
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Hello
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## message-1361385023521030376
**2025-04-14T16:58:02.918+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1361385023521030376`
- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
- Nickname: m_w
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1361385023521030376
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👋
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## message-1361395119546306751
**2025-04-14T17:38:09.998+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1361395119546306751`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1361395119546306751
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Hi all 👋
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## message-1361527000069701654
**2025-04-15T02:22:12.765+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1361527000069701654
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A better website should now be up at https://wafer.space
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## message-1361544897320194078
**2025-04-15T03:33:19.802+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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The icon at the top of the page links to https://snowlake-jekyll-v2.pages.dev/
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## message-1361544999681921054
**2025-04-15T03:33:44.207+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1361544999681921054`
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Should probably redirect to home page
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## message-1361620847059538081
**2025-04-15T08:35:07.631+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Should be fixed now.
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## message-1361655536499560620
**2025-04-15T10:52:58.238+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Howdy folks! Good to see you all here 🙂 @Tim 'mithro' Ansell the website's off to a good start.
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## message-1361765437662167231
**2025-04-15T18:09:40.717+00:00 — ᵖʳᵒᵖᵖʸ (@proppy)**
- Message ID: `1361765437662167231`
- Author ID: `270097799637368834`
- Nickname: ᵖʳᵒᵖᵖʸ
- User name: proppy
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1361765437662167231
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2025-04/2025-04.json
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**Content**
```text
How's the progress guys?
```
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## message-1361769834521825392
**2025-04-15T18:27:09.01+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1361769834521825392`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1361769834521825392
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2025-04/2025-04.json
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/Information/general/2025-04/2025-04.json
**Content**
```text
Slowly getting there - new website is up at https://wafer.space
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## message-1361771077944217770
**2025-04-15T18:32:05.465+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2025-04/2025-04.json
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**Content**
```text
I have an official company in Singapore
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## message-1361855581610311700
**2025-04-16T00:07:52.709+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1361855581610311700`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1361855581610311700
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2025-04/2025-04.json
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**Content**
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@everyone - Hey braintrust! I'd like your thoughts on potential wafer.space logos, can you vote @ https://www.freelancer.com/contest/poll-MjU0NTgwNjox
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## message-1361946655640780892
**2025-04-16T06:09:46.45+00:00 — stuart (@saladchap)**
- Message ID: `1361946655640780892`
- Author ID: `1184268085822238821`
- Nickname: stuart
- User name: saladchap
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1361946655640780892
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2025-04/2025-04.json
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All of them are too rocket ship / outer space - y imo, could be easily interpreted as a space or satellite company rather than asic or wafer fab service
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## message-1361951482299023461
**2025-04-16T06:28:57.215+00:00 — ᵖʳᵒᵖᵖʸ (@proppy)**
- Message ID: `1361951482299023461`
- Author ID: `270097799637368834`
- Nickname: ᵖʳᵒᵖᵖʸ
- User name: proppy
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1361951482299023461
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2025-04/2025-04.json
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**Content**
```text
With "wafer" as the name and all, I think this really represents what our company logo could be.
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## message-1361951731390484522
**2025-04-16T06:29:56.603+00:00 — ᵖʳᵒᵖᵖʸ (@proppy)**
- Message ID: `1361951731390484522`
- Author ID: `270097799637368834`
- Nickname: ᵖʳᵒᵖᵖʸ
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**Content**
```text
lmk what ya'll think though, let's get some ideas going guys.
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## message-1361969607467995317
**2025-04-16T07:40:58.592+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
- Message ID: `1361969607467995317`
- Author ID: `1071653002986926112`
- Nickname: algofoogle (Anton Maurovic)
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1361969607467995317
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**Content**
```text
I agree with @stuart though I’m partial to the Saturn-like one, if it perhaps had the flat-bottom of a wafer. Also, now I’m hungry @ᵖʳᵒᵖᵖʸ 😉
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## message-1361972384239714407
**2025-04-16T07:52:00.626+00:00 — stuart (@saladchap)**
- Message ID: `1361972384239714407`
- Author ID: `1184268085822238821`
- Nickname: stuart
- User name: saladchap
- Type: `Default`
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- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2025-04/2025-04.json
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**Content**
```text
I'm AFK so can't do much creativity rn but will do some thinking 👌
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## message-1362000828826914968
**2025-04-16T09:45:02.344+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
- Message ID: `1362000828826914968`
- Author ID: `1071653002986926112`
- Nickname: algofoogle (Anton Maurovic)
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**Content**
```text
I would normally fire up Illustrator and try a few things but I have been AFK for most of today too so I let ChatGPT try a few things with the planet concept. I'm sharing these ones in case it helps stimulate any other ideas. I wanted it to try progressively morphing the "floating dice" from squares to "stars" but it wouldn't play ball. If I were to riff on this more, it would be to combine the two right-side ones, merging the "horizon" effect (which doubles as a wafer "flat" edge) better with the floating dice/stars.
```
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## message-1362051329106903252
**2025-04-16T13:05:42.549+00:00 — stuart (@saladchap)**
- Message ID: `1362051329106903252`
- Author ID: `1184268085822238821`
- Nickname: stuart
- User name: saladchap
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**Content**
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Still a bit too outer space-y imo, but I might be suffering bias from TT spasics project
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## message-1362051444584222811
**2025-04-16T13:06:10.081+00:00 — stuart (@saladchap)**
- Message ID: `1362051444584222811`
- Author ID: `1184268085822238821`
- Nickname: stuart
- User name: saladchap
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
```
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## message-1362051487366385675
**2025-04-16T13:06:20.281+00:00 — stuart (@saladchap)**
- Message ID: `1362051487366385675`
- Author ID: `1184268085822238821`
- Nickname: stuart
- User name: saladchap
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
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I'm feeding the gpt robots too
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## message-1362096847165849774
**2025-04-16T16:06:34.9+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Round two - https://www.freelancer.com/contest/poll-MjU0NTgwNjoy
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## message-1362101515971461253
**2025-04-16T16:25:08.03+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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So far the two most popular entries are
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## message-1362101595944390963
**2025-04-16T16:25:27.097+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1362459947702554695
**2025-04-17T16:09:24.814+00:00 — digshadow**
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Left is a bit busy to me
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## message-1362472202297016542
**2025-04-17T16:58:06.537+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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how about get rid of the planet and add a notch on the left one
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## message-1362544280903618903
**2025-04-17T21:44:31.416+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Yeah I think that might be an improvement
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## message-1368284058014056458
**2025-05-03T17:52:20.919+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Hi everyone! The logo I've ended up going with is the following
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## message-1368284206370656397
**2025-05-03T17:52:56.29+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1371324214178611271
**2025-05-12T03:12:50.632+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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BTW I've started putting together a list of projects and stuff I'm thinking about putting in empty slots on the first shuttle run
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## message-1371324222973939732
**2025-05-12T03:12:52.729+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1371721398921330840
**2025-05-13T05:31:06.854+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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- Author ID: `1071653002986926112`
- Nickname: algofoogle (Anton Maurovic)
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I’m trying to think of wacky ideas… maybe some sort of die that is actually a micro-probe array for testing other dice, flip-chip-bed-of-nails? I wonder if there’s any way you could make a “squishy” interposer to put between such a die and the thing you want to probe
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## message-1372576986349703479
**2025-05-15T14:10:54.793+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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how are things going @Tim 'mithro' Ansell ?
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## message-1372582057649246369
**2025-05-15T14:31:03.885+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Slowly getting there with everything
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## message-1372588427333075024
**2025-05-15T14:56:22.536+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Matt Venn - It's been fun to actually get closer to the metal then I have been for a while
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## message-1372592333912281142
**2025-05-15T15:11:53.937+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Matt Venn - Figuring out what the limits are has been interesting, specially things like this table ->
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## message-1372604511776018532
**2025-05-15T16:00:17.366+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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What are you trying to compare with that table 🤔
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## message-1372604848503128104
**2025-05-15T16:01:37.648+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It's the number of 3 input AND cells you can put in the same area as an SRAM ... But I'm not sure how that metric is helpful ?
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## message-1372606934259077240
**2025-05-15T16:09:54.931+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@tnt - Number of latches (IE 1 bit of storage) to SRAM
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## message-1372607078929141853
**2025-05-15T16:10:29.423+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Where did you find a latch in the gf180 standard cell library ? I didn't see one at first glance.
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## message-1372607193291034624
**2025-05-15T16:10:56.689+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@tnt -
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## message-1372607448019632209
**2025-05-15T16:11:57.421+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1372607454646505482
**2025-05-15T16:11:59.001+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Oh, I see, they don't have the same naming scheme.
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## message-1372607579640823880
**2025-05-15T16:12:28.802+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I was looking for `dlxxx` for latches but it's named `latq`
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## message-1372607619855945769
**2025-05-15T16:12:38.39+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1372607727184121876
**2025-05-15T16:13:03.979+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@tnt - Dammit, that was an oversight, seems like they should have been dlxxx
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## message-1372607885615304926
**2025-05-15T16:13:41.752+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@tnt - I was looking at how to do a compact standard cell based "programmable" mux
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## message-1372607893232287806
**2025-05-15T16:13:43.568+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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**2025-05-15T16:14:47.671+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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```
gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__mux4_4 -- 21.28 um
gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__latq_1 -- 11.20 um
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## message-1372608473002410025
**2025-05-15T16:16:01.796+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Then I discovered the `bufz_4` is also 11.20um in size
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## message-1372608899198226462
**2025-05-15T16:17:43.409+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Not sure what you mean exactly by "programmable mux" TBH.
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## message-1372609237804388402
**2025-05-15T16:19:04.139+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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A mux where the input choice is controlled by a storage element
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## message-1372609314564472882
**2025-05-15T16:19:22.44+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Ok. So like a FPGA LUT cell basically.
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## message-1372609497238863952
**2025-05-15T16:20:05.993+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But your diagram seem to show a serial configuraiton like a shift register ... and you can only do that with actul register (i.e. FFs), you can't make a shift register with latches, that just doesn't work.
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## message-1372609720174514207
**2025-05-15T16:20:59.145+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Oh, yeah - I guess you are right
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## message-1372610880805535806
**2025-05-15T16:25:35.861+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@tnt - Actually, if you had two enables then it should work, right?
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**2025-05-15T16:26:30.872+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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No. Two consecutive latches will always have the same output.
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**2025-05-15T16:26:50.823+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Basically two latches with non overlapping enable is one flip-flop ...
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## message-1372612706733002752
**2025-05-15T16:32:51.196+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@tnt - If you have Enable A and Enable B, then every "even numbered latch" in the chain is connected to Enable A and ever "old numbered" latch in the chain is connected to Enable B, then you should be able to pulse Enable A, then Enable B, right?
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## message-1372613441751093299
**2025-05-15T16:35:46.438+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Say you pulse Enable A ... all `A` latches now hold the value of the `B` latches before them. Whatever value they used to hold is now gone. So you only have N/2 distinct values in the chain.
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## message-1372614288576876584
**2025-05-15T16:39:08.337+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Ahh, yeah
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## message-1372614541866963195
**2025-05-15T16:40:08.726+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Having the alternative enables does prevent hold violations between the elements if they where flipflops
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## message-1372615435836588042
**2025-05-15T16:43:41.865+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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What is it that the AI's always say when you point out that there stuff is borked? 😛
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**2025-05-15T16:50:09.354+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1372618114558328914
**2025-05-15T16:54:20.522+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I also have yet to understand if the routing I'm drawing is even possible on the technology
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## message-1372619132662714438
**2025-05-15T16:58:23.257+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Sadly the numbers don't line up as well....
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## message-1372619859644645526
**2025-05-15T17:01:16.583+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Stupid reality screwing up nice theory 🙂
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**2025-05-15T17:11:15.648+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1372626301764108319
**2025-05-15T17:26:52.504+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I wonder how the drive strength effects timing and stuff
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## message-1372627414919675916
**2025-05-15T17:31:17.901+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I assume that a higher drive strength cell also puts more load on the cell driving it?
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## message-1372627596528975893
**2025-05-15T17:32:01.2+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@tnt - I do have your talk with Matt Venn on the Tiny Tapeout multiplexer stuff on my to watch list
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## message-1372635174822609019
**2025-05-15T18:02:08.006+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Usually large size buffer like _8 / _12 / _16 will have a progressive build up internally. Like the first stage will be a single transitor inverter, then driving a 4 transistor one then drivingthe final 16 one for instance.
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**2025-05-15T18:12:07.231+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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And 2 clock for FFs is a horrible idea. It doesn't help for hold violations, on the contrary, it's a sure way to have more issues ...
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## message-1372714250560077865
**2025-05-15T23:16:21.131+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@tnt - I found these diagrams from a long while back. I think it actually connected back to the N/2 distinct values on the chain issue you pointed out with the latches -- Tim Edwards explained something about how flip flops are kinda of built internally with two latches with one enable driven by an inverted clock signal so both latches are never "open/passing data" at the same time. Somehow I've forgotten all the correct details and am super fuzzy on what I'm trying to say here.
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## message-1372745232789012645
**2025-05-16T01:19:27.87+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Ahh ha
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## message-1372842160340209665
**2025-05-16T07:44:37.199+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yes, if you construct the FFs "manually" using 2 latches, then using two non-overlapping clocks you can make things safer ... assuming you generate those two non overlapping clocks correcly.
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## message-1372846051026796554
**2025-05-16T08:00:04.811+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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I'm missing how this relates to an mpw service, can someone explain?
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## message-1372868827678769162
**2025-05-16T09:30:35.188+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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🤷
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**2025-05-16T11:55:48.109+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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😅
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## message-1373357291788566683
**2025-05-17T17:51:34.107+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Matt Venn - The discussion started at "Figuring out what the limits are has been interesting"
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## message-1373358049510821990
**2025-05-17T17:54:34.762+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Matt Venn - All comes back to trying to make sure that I can run the MPW even if not fully full.
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## message-1374424009017393292
**2025-05-20T16:30:19.313+00:00 — carlfk**
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what does "not full" mean?
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## message-1374424164659892435
**2025-05-20T16:30:56.421+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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as in if only 50% of the project slots are sold
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## message-1374424585394585752
**2025-05-20T16:32:36.732+00:00 — carlfk**
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other than money, what would prevent doing a run?
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**2025-05-20T16:33:30.883+00:00 — carlfk**
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does more mask detail cost more?
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## message-1374425256206401566
**2025-05-20T16:35:16.666+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1374425256206401566`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
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I would expect blank slots could be filled in with something, like lets make a bunch of similar tests to see how well they line up with simulations
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## message-1374426135433052221
**2025-05-20T16:38:46.29+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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If it were me, just the money. How long can I go before I'm broke
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## message-1374426263586078832
**2025-05-20T16:39:16.844+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
- Message ID: `1374426263586078832`
- Author ID: `492702620759228416`
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And yes blank slots can be filled, but high quality projects are rare and take a lot of work
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## message-1374426981046685727
**2025-05-20T16:42:07.9+00:00 — carlfk**
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k - that all fits with what I figured.
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## message-1374427186466914439
**2025-05-20T16:42:56.876+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1374427186466914439`
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sounds like we should have a bunch of filler projects so the space doesn't go to waste
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## message-1374490995739197520
**2025-05-20T20:56:30.192+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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- Author ID: `1071653002986926112`
- Nickname: algofoogle (Anton Maurovic)
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- Edited: 2025-05-20T20:56:37.292+00:00
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Totally… get cracking! https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1371324214178611271
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## message-1376388133951639658
**2025-05-26T02:35:03.189+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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That is what https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kyo9Qcsu0RMXwUS2woMCOvf14YvA0IqpgDkZmIRFZpc/edit?tab=t.0 is all about
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## message-1376585138850365471
**2025-05-26T15:37:52.817+00:00 — carlfk**
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how about: power rail popper. a set of decreasing width traces? to see how much power they can really handle compared to what the simulator says
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## message-1376774329462947872
**2025-05-27T04:09:39.374+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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I always wanted to try a project like that… a way to test all the things that could go wrong. DRC violations (so long as they don’t violate MR), wrong voltages going to a bunch of devices, chips that could self-destruct (charge pumps?), ESD-unprotected stuff… what else?
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## message-1377453597385687122
**2025-05-29T01:08:49.467+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) - https://github.com/egorxe/gf180_efuse_compiler
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## message-1377462797646037022
**2025-05-29T01:45:22.98+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Oh that’s interesting. Thanks Tim 🙂 I wonder how reliable the array was on GFMPW0/1. Efabless was always worried about how to produce a safe/reliable eFuse solution for Sky130. I remember fears about things either not popping, or doing so too violently (rupturing laminations or leading to shorts elsewhere)
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## message-1377463108792221697
**2025-05-29T01:46:37.163+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm sending an email to enquire about the status
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## message-1377463171257864292
**2025-05-29T01:46:52.056+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I don't think it ended up being taped out because the efuses require an extra mask layer or something
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## message-1377526932022759517
**2025-05-29T06:00:13.807+00:00 — ᵖʳᵒᵖᵖʸ (@proppy)**
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Looking good guys, keep up the fantastic work!
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## message-1377526983675609181
**2025-05-29T06:00:26.122+00:00 — ᵖʳᵒᵖᵖʸ (@proppy)**
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## message-1377765699740762183
**2025-05-29T21:49:00.467+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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From the developer of the Efuse Compiler:
```
Here is a history of this Efuse compiler:
1. Originally the compiler was made in haste for the GFMPW-0 run. My chip with a 9 kBit Efuse block was accepted by Efabless, but unfortunately there was no full chip LVS available in Efabless tapeout flow at the time. So I've missed a critical flaw in this chip - VDD & GND stripes in Efuse blocks were not connected to top level power stripes. The only missing thing were vias connecting stripes on Metal5 to stripes on Metal4.
2. After discovering the power issue I thought there would be no hope to verify the Efuse block in this chip so when the chips arrived I tested mostly other parts of the chip. Efuse was dead as expected, but Caravel and some of my digital test structures worked flawlessly with VDD in range from 3 to 8 Volts which amazed me. GF180MCU seems to be a really robust process :).
3. For the GFMPW-1 I've submitted a chip with fixed power connections problem and introduced several small improvements in Efuse macro, but my chip was not selected for the run.
4. As missing top metal vias was the only thing standing between my curiosity and testing Efuse on GFMPW-0 chips, I thought that maybe it's possible to create vias on finished chips somehow. Some time ago I've got a contact of guys from chip testing industry from a friend, and they agreed to create a couple of vias for me.
5. After chip decap and vias creation on two of Efuse subblocks these subblocks miraculously just worked. I had no single write (one time obviously) or read error on all efuse bytes that were powered during several days I've tested this chip.
6. As I thought that accessible GF180 runs would never happen again I kinda lost the motivation in improving the compiler, but now if there is such a possibility I would like to make it useful.
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## message-1377765837338837093
**2025-05-29T21:49:33.273+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@digshadow
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## message-1377767571511578665
**2025-05-29T21:56:26.732+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1377767571511578665`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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@digshadow - Should I ask the guy to send us some spare parts for you to look at / play with?
(BTW Feel to respond to this next week after your conference.)
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## message-1377774063216492658
**2025-05-29T22:22:14.475+00:00 — digshadow**
- Message ID: `1377774063216492658`
- Author ID: `643551115920670720`
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Yes, I don't really want to think about this right now, but in general I'm up for a lab day next week if you want to image some things
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## message-1377810009508806687
**2025-05-30T00:45:04.739+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Very cool 🙂 thanks for following up
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## message-1378193678161547326
**2025-05-31T02:09:38.474+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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I started documenting my understanding around the GF's 180nm process technologies @ https://bit.ly/ws-gf180
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## message-1378809567076548678
**2025-06-01T18:56:57.834+00:00 — Deleted User**
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## message-1378824640549621941
**2025-06-01T19:56:51.63+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Deleted User - What is the state of GF180MCU support in OpenLane 2?
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## message-1378825423944941638
**2025-06-01T19:59:58.406+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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- Edited: 2025-06-01T22:11:53.126+00:00
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If you have any more comments / thoughts / resources on eFuse releated stuff, please put it into the document @ https://bit.ly/ws-gf180mcu-efuses
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## message-1378833446327156736
**2025-06-01T20:31:51.091+00:00 — Deleted User**
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Right behind sky130, it's been in the CI forever
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## message-1378833682718130340
**2025-06-01T20:32:47.451+00:00 — Deleted User**
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The key is OL2/LibreLane weren't really used for any GFMPW designs so that practical part is missing
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## message-1378833696961859665
**2025-06-01T20:32:50.847+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Do you know if people have used it to tape out? I don't recall how the timeline of Openlane 2 and the MPW programs ended going
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## message-1378833747641630720
**2025-06-01T20:33:02.93+00:00 — Deleted User**
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I don't believe so, no.
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## message-1378833805670088855
**2025-06-01T20:33:16.765+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Okay
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## message-1378833991687340082
**2025-06-01T20:34:01.115+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Deleted User - BTW volare has been moved / renamed too?
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**2025-06-01T20:34:13.026+00:00 — Deleted User**
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Yes - https://github.com/fossi-foundation/ciel
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## message-1378834992284827789
**2025-06-01T20:37:59.676+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Deleted User - Thanks! Also thanks for all your work on these things.
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## message-1378858398002450544
**2025-06-01T22:11:00.034+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Cheers Tim. There’s a typo in that URL BTW: “wf” should be “ws”
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## message-1378858768091058207
**2025-06-01T22:12:28.27+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Fixed I think...
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## message-1382442522122653748
**2025-06-11T19:33:01.814+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I have wafer.space business cards! The ones on the right have silver foil look on the logo, while the ones on the right are slightly embossed / raised.
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## message-1382818898738417755
**2025-06-12T20:28:36.992+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Anyone know much about https://ishi-kai.org/openmpw/shuttle/ptc06/2025/05/24/shuttle_ISHI-Kai_OpenMPW-PTC06-2_start.html ?
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## message-1384640418423242842
**2025-06-17T21:06:41.127+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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This is super cool -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFPe4FT126M
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## message-1385188913886269551
**2025-06-19T09:26:12.636+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Hi! I joined recently and I just realized I should maybe introduce myself for those that don’t know me yet. I’m here because I have a lot of experience with GF180MCU from my three submissions to GFMPW shuttles (one of which was a multi-project die), and a lot of tapeout experience overall.
I want to help however I can, considering how much time I’ve spent working with gf180. And am also just excited to get to make chips again using this PDK.
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## message-1385241344317849680
**2025-06-19T12:54:33.025+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I may actually be interested in making a custom standard cell library for gf180, just as I have for sky130. I took a look at the 7 track cells in magic, and I see room for improvement, I think.
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## message-1387383998040510494
**2025-06-25T10:48:41.481+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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After a little bit of fighting with gf180mcu’s oddities, I was able to extract, simulate and characterize one of the 7-track standard cells with magic, SPICE and lctime. So it looks like my usual workflow can work here.
Well, ignoring the fact that the output values of my characterization are up to 50% off from whats in the PDK’s liberty files. Still investigating this.
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## message-1390118352554299493
**2025-07-02T23:54:02.399+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I've begun work on a SCL for gf180mcu using 3.3V transistors
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## message-1390118900917604492
**2025-07-02T23:56:13.139+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I created an inv_2 cell and characterized it using the exact same parameters for input slew and output load as I did for the inv_2 cell in my sky130 SCL and got promising results.
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**2025-07-02T23:56:37.643+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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3.3V gf180 is at least as fast as sky130_fd_sc_hd
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## message-1390119053170839562
**2025-07-02T23:56:49.439+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But most likely faster
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**2025-07-02T23:57:46.968+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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It trades punches with my sky130_as_sc_hs SCL, which outperforms fd_sc_hd by a wide margin.
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## message-1390368434696487055
**2025-07-03T16:27:46.628+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I have all the cells that I need for yosys and OpenLane to do their things, except a D-Flip-Flop. That one is gonna take a bit. I always struggle with them a bit.
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**2025-07-04T17:41:25.602+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - Awesome work!
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**2025-07-04T19:14:48.442+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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DFF done. About to test it all in a flow for the first time. And then its time for an initial commit to GitHub.
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## message-1390783078200508447
**2025-07-04T19:55:25.343+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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**2025-07-04T19:55:29.35+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Gimme a minute for the commit
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**2025-07-04T22:14:43.108+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Apologies for the delay. I encountered some DRC errors, but I can’t test my changes because OpenLane continues to use the previous version of the cell layout files. I don’t know where its getting those from, they are long overwritten. Sadly, I don’t remember what I did to fix this issue the last time I had it.
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**2025-07-05T15:40:41.891+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3
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**2025-07-05T15:41:43.165+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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And with that, the hardest parts are actually already behind me. The project is now in the "smooth sailing" phase where I can just add more combinatorial logic cells in whatever order I like.
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## message-1391081891527917608
**2025-07-05T15:42:47.992+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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And since I've done this before, I can copy my own work from sky130_as_sc_hs
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## message-1392094111871270922
**2025-07-08T10:45:00.128+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Progress on the SCL has been halted for two days now because I added a mux2 cell and even though nothing appears bad in the liberty file, the GL tests fail unless I disable this cell. Yosys is simply synthesizing bad logic when the mux2 is defined. If anyone has any leads on this, please reach out.
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## message-1392094739943260191
**2025-07-08T10:47:29.872+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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you could try asking here: https://yosyshq.discourse.group/
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## message-1394751848887357690
**2025-07-15T18:45:54.011+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Here, ya'll might get a kick out of this. The AS2650v2 is a custom MCU/CPU I taped out for GFMPW-1 and on one of the test boards for it, I created this demo. I actually did this almost a year ago, I only just bothered to record it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YNhw6dvOw4
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## message-1394752163162357770
**2025-07-15T18:47:08.94+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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Audio also generated by the AS2650v2, but recorded directly from the DAC output. That piezzo is...not good.
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## message-1398351805842198660
**2025-07-25T17:10:50.633+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell nice seeing you at open sauce... Hopefully I can find a way to contribute to the first wafer.space shuttle.
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## message-1398711414386065419
**2025-07-26T16:59:47.991+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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**Content**
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SCL update: ran a flow on a custom RV32IM core with a tweaked config to optimize for delay to see how far I can push it speed-wise and ended with an fmax=105MHz, while retaining the same density as the 7-track 5V cells. If I let the fmax drop and optimize for area, on the other hand, my SCL has a noticably higher density than the 7-track 5V cells.
And this is all before I added most of the aoi combo cells I planned, so this is likely to improve even more as I keep working. I also have to add that this is not a good RISC-V core I'm compiling here. Its something I threw together in a few hours. Architectural improvements could easily throw this past the 150MHz mark right now.
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## message-1398711916075028511
**2025-07-26T17:01:47.603+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Another note is that I am testing my SCL against RTL from one of my GFMPW-1 submissions, which means it uses caravel_user_project and OpenLane 1. I don't know what the recommended setup for wafer.space will be, but I assume LibreLane and an OpenFrame-equivalent?
I'll still need to test my SCL against LibreLane and see if that also yields performance improvements.
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## message-1398713928267071620
**2025-07-26T17:09:47.347+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1398713928267071620`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1398713928267071620
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In other news, I've also started collecting ideas on things I can put onto my submission for the first shuttle. I am planning to again do a multi-project die. The ideas list is quite long by now. I will soon pick out a handful of them and start writing up requirements documents so I can start implementation work the moment the deadline becomes known. I can share a bit of this list if anyone else still needs inspiration.
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## message-1398930435190296586
**2025-07-27T07:30:06.62+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I would expect LibreLane to be used for wafer.space submissions. That's where future development takes place, and it already has quite some nice features (and bug fixes) compared to OpenLane 2 (not to mention OL1). Ultimately it depends on the users how they create their layout, but IMO LibreLane should be the recommended path.
There is of course the existing pad frame from the GFMPW shuttles at Efabless, which is going to be used for the first wafer.space shuttle run.
I'm working on an OpenROAD.PadRing step for IHP, which should work for GF as well, since the IO pads are really not that complicated (compared to e.g. sky130...).
This would make it possible for each submission to wafer.space to have a different die area, which would of course require a more sophisticated reticle stitching. I would assume there to be one or two standard sizes to enable cost-effective packaging of the dies (if needed).
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## message-1399013362360258570
**2025-07-27T12:59:37.998+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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When you say using the existing pad frame from GFMPW, does that mean caravel including the management controller? I have my own (not so good) opinions about caravel, but I don't think I'll be able to test my 3.3V SCL effectively without changes to the IO pads, which I already volunteered to look into sometime soon.
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## message-1399018992491823245
**2025-07-27T13:22:00.326+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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TL;DR the existing IO pads are really slow at 3.3V, so pads specifically geared for 3.3V IO voltage (I assume using the low-voltage FET devices instead) is something that is desperately needed.
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## message-1399020522393567314
**2025-07-27T13:28:05.083+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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No, just the pad frame without Caravel. That should work for most submissions. However, if you want to create your own pad frame, feel free to do so. What matters is that the die size stays the same, as that will make the reticle stitching easy.
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## message-1399021602561069177
**2025-07-27T13:32:22.615+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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and probably use the same position for the wirebond, otherwise you'll have a much higher NRE for doing packaging
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## message-1399023494301352007
**2025-07-27T13:39:53.641+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, although I think Tim wants to try CoB where such changes could be more easily accommodated?
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## message-1399024381119959070
**2025-07-27T13:43:25.075+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I really don't understand how programming a CoB machine is cheaper than programming a wire bonder for QFN ... the packaging made by swissbit is literally doing CoB since they use a PCB as the substrate , so if you find someone that does CoB cheap, why can't they do the same thing as swissbit ?
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## message-1399026392766742683
**2025-07-27T13:51:24.689+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I thought wafer.space won't do packaging? Raw dies only?
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## message-1399026452720128132
**2025-07-27T13:51:38.983+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I was already looking into options for getting dies packaged on my own.
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## message-1399026701748408430
**2025-07-27T13:52:38.356+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Anyways, yeah, that sounds good. So its basically OpenFrame, but for gf180.
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## message-1399026753179222140
**2025-07-27T13:52:50.618+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Hmmmm
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## message-1399027035350892654
**2025-07-27T13:53:57.893+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yeah, if I make custom IO pads, I can arrange them in the same pattern as is required.
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## message-1399027238409736202
**2025-07-27T13:54:46.306+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I was thinking more along the lines of doing a few pieces with a manual wire bonder, like you guys did with TT-CoB. That should be enough to verify Tholin's standard cells. Anyway, Tim will have to tell you what he actually has planned for the packaging.
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## message-1399027487891132570
**2025-07-27T13:55:45.787+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yeah, kind of OpenFrame but you can change the IO pads.
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## message-1399028195503902740
**2025-07-27T13:58:34.495+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I still gotta understand how the current IO pads work. I took a look at the files in the PDK, but they're very complicated. So I think I'll have to make it a weekend project just to read into the topic.
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## message-1399029608841740390
**2025-07-27T14:04:11.461+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Are there any additional files for these sitting in a repo somewhere that are not part of the PDK download? xschem schematic files would be incredibly helpful.
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## message-1399029693709287444
**2025-07-27T14:04:31.695+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Let us know your progress, I'm interested in that too 😀
But you're in luck, compared to sky130, the IO pads in gf180mcu seem to be pretty straightforward.
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## message-1399029963763749037
**2025-07-27T14:05:36.081+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I don't think that schematics exist, same as on sky130. Mitch even created the schematics for some of the IOs in sky130.
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## message-1399030514249109684
**2025-07-27T14:07:47.327+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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You have some functional schematics in the docs: https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/IPs/IO/gf180mcu_fd_io/tri_state_1.html
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## message-1399031497960456275
**2025-07-27T14:11:41.862+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Here is the repository for Mitch's gpiov2 cell on sky130 as a reference: https://github.com/d-m-bailey/sky130_fd_io
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## message-1399032384971870228
**2025-07-27T14:15:13.342+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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One of the cells in the PDK is marked "gf180mcu_**ef**_io__bi_t". An efabless engineer created it?
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## message-1399032519625670769
**2025-07-27T14:15:45.446+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yeah, it just exports the `ana` signal they needed for caravel for analog stuff mixed with a digital io ...
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## message-1399032581680533655
**2025-07-27T14:16:00.241+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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(which is not something that exists in the default io cell)
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## message-1399044829832544327
**2025-07-27T15:04:40.428+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Ah. Well, that sucks.
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## message-1399045135739916399
**2025-07-27T15:05:53.362+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But yeah, the functional schematic does look like the simplest possible bi-directional buffer one can build.
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## message-1399045212688482408
**2025-07-27T15:06:11.708+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The only concern I have is that activating PU and PD at the same time appears to generate a short circuit.
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## message-1399046279295799436
**2025-07-27T15:10:26.007+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Actually, it appears to have some additional complexity in the form of the slew rate and drive strength control lines on the output buffer and the Schmitt Trigger enable on the input buffer. Wondering if we really need those for most use cases. Definitely a nice-to-have, but not something I can imagine ever needing myself.
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## message-1399050189259669614
**2025-07-27T15:25:58.215+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Going to build this for now. Nothing fancy. I'll see about experimenting with more advanced features once I get the hang of things.
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## message-1399063782566793287
**2025-07-27T16:19:59.112+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Just asking because I don't know any better: Is it not possible to just replace the HV transistor with LV transistors directly in the layout of the IO pads?
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## message-1399068827219656864
**2025-07-27T16:40:01.851+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Technically yes, but the LV transistors obviously have different characteristics than the HV transistors, which concerns me.
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## message-1399069002797682799
**2025-07-27T16:40:43.712+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I know that there is liberty files with characterizations of the IO pads, which I also need to figure out how to generate.
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## message-1399083795046465638
**2025-07-27T17:39:30.459+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’ve begun reverse-engineering the existing IO pads. Going to record the information in a google doc soon.
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## message-1399087108664070245
**2025-07-27T17:52:40.487+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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GF180's 5V IO compatibility is one of the thing making that process interesting. So making IO pads that perform properly at 3.3V while maintaining is what's really needed, along with proper separation of IO and core voltages.
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## message-1399089041479172210
**2025-07-27T18:00:21.306+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The output drivers on the IO pads actually use the even higher voltage 6V FETs
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## message-1399089092813394050
**2025-07-27T18:00:33.545+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Which explains why they perform ultra poorly at 3.3V
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## message-1399090451968950472
**2025-07-27T18:05:57.593+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But makes sense. Gives the chips some upwards margin when operating at 5V.
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## message-1399105810998628424
**2025-07-27T19:06:59.471+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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From what I've heard those aren't different devices, but just a different model for a specific W/L. But yeah, they could probably be downsized then.
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## message-1399528514214039687
**2025-07-28T23:06:39.771+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I present to you: a complete reverse engineering of gf180mcu_fd_io__bi_24t
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## message-1399528618073526365
**2025-07-28T23:07:04.533+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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This is a purely "functional" schematic. I did not yet record specific device properties like FET width and length.
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## message-1399528647433523270
**2025-07-28T23:07:11.533+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Turning this into xschem files is next.
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## message-1399528745932689491
**2025-07-28T23:07:35.017+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Top is the input path, bottom is the output path.
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## message-1399528854338404485
**2025-07-28T23:08:00.863+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I think there is still a few things I got wrong, but I’ll tweak them tomorrow.
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## message-1399529254789709985
**2025-07-28T23:09:36.338+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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For my purposes, I technically don’t need to go and make accurate xschem files, but I feel like others will find the information useful.
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## message-1399529301917044857
**2025-07-28T23:09:47.574+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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A couple insights
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## message-1399529511837499514
**2025-07-28T23:10:37.623+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1399529511837499514`
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The concept of having separate IO and core voltages actually seems represented in these cells. There is two power rails, "VDD/VSS" and "DVDD/DVSS" and a majority of the transistor count here is actually just extensive buffering to translate between the two power domains.
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## message-1399529654179856446
**2025-07-28T23:11:11.56+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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There is also significant amounts of protection diodes on internal signals, which makes no sense to me unless said signals cross power domains.
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## message-1399530363101122762
**2025-07-28T23:14:00.58+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’ve just spent all day staring at Klayout dissecting layouts, so logging off for today.
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## message-1399619382665281537
**2025-07-29T05:07:44.498+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Nice work!
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## message-1399619905376223314
**2025-07-29T05:09:49.122+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, the IO cells were designed for separate power domains. However we only got the 5V standard cell library open sourced. Thus the power domains were tied together afaik.
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## message-1399655817007071284
**2025-07-29T07:32:31.122+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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They do not appear to be tied together inside the actual IO cell layout, so if they are, its somewhere else on the chip.
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## message-1399656038848008263
**2025-07-29T07:33:24.013+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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In either case, it doesn’t look difficult to untangle the power domains.
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## message-1399656509159379074
**2025-07-29T07:35:16.144+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Edited: 2025-07-29T07:35:34.407+00:00
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However, the 6V transistors used in the output buffer are really terrible at switching 3.3V onto the pad, which we’ve practically observed as well. But we know that the 5V FETs are snappy enough for logic circuits, even when powered at 3.3V. So, really, the only thing in the IO cell that needs modification is the final pad drivers.
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## message-1399656790219689994
**2025-07-29T07:36:23.154+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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And in particular, you’re looking for something that can do 5V just as well as 3.3V. I have an idea, but let me run some simulations first.
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## message-1399667368531071006
**2025-07-29T08:18:25.22+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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They are tied together by the actual `dvdd` / `dvss` pad cells.
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## message-1399667588891541658
**2025-07-29T08:19:17.758+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But the tracks inside the IO cells that carry `vdd` / `vss` look pretty weak to me. Only ~ 13.5u total width.
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## message-1399735525035999333
**2025-07-29T12:49:14.997+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Makes sense. vdd/vss is the core voltage and just used to power some buffers. dvdd/dvss is the IO voltage.
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## message-1399736394225680545
**2025-07-29T12:52:42.228+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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In the other techs you still have decently beefy rails for it since the ring in the IO is used to also feed power to the core. Those rings being wimpy here means the added rings in the core will need to be beefier since they'll have to do the whole job.
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## message-1399782092585435226
**2025-07-29T15:54:17.566+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Okay, done
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## message-1399783498339848275
**2025-07-29T15:59:52.724+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1399785305090953378
**2025-07-29T16:07:03.487+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Did you test if it pass LVS against the extraction ?
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## message-1399785410078703676
**2025-07-29T16:07:28.518+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Nope
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## message-1399785615054213291
**2025-07-29T16:08:17.388+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I would not know how to do that.
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## message-1399852327212552253
**2025-07-29T20:33:22.806+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Okay, so, I had the idea of making an IO pad driver that uses transmission gates to re-wire itself and switch between using high-voltage or low-voltage transistors based on the chip's supply voltage. I threw something together in xschem and simulation looks good on that idea.
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## message-1399856006191779851
**2025-07-29T20:47:59.943+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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huh ? I have trouble seeing how that would work. Adding a transmission gate in series would surely be worse than using the 5V transistor at 3v3 ...
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## message-1399858061333499978
**2025-07-29T20:56:09.927+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Not like that
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## message-1399858076923986151
**2025-07-29T20:56:13.644+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its easier I just show
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## message-1399858148747251825
**2025-07-29T20:56:30.768+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1399858268045836460
**2025-07-29T20:56:59.211+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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This is simplified. Theoretically, XM5, XM7, XM11 and XM15 could be entire banks of FETs in parallel, just how it is on the actual IO pads.
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## message-1399858427966263296
**2025-07-29T20:57:37.339+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The transmission gates decide which tansistors get the buffer input signal on their gate, and which are disabled.
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## message-1399858513898897409
**2025-07-29T20:57:57.827+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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For disabled transistors, it is ensured that the potential difference between their gate and body is 0V.
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## message-1399858596560244776
**2025-07-29T20:58:17.535+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But you're exposing the 3v3 transistor drain-source to > 3.3V which they are also not rated for.
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## message-1399858614235042026
**2025-07-29T20:58:21.749+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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From what little specs we have on these FETs, this *should* work.
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## message-1399858826173480960
**2025-07-29T20:59:12.279+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Where does it say that?
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## message-1399858860516315317
**2025-07-29T20:59:20.467+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I am looking at https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/analog/spice/elec_specs/elec_specs_1.html
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## message-1399859140615999709
**2025-07-29T21:00:27.248+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Actually you're exposing the gate to 5V. The transistor are symmetrical, no difference between D and S so when you have the gate at 0V and the "drain" at 5V, you have a 5V potential difference between the gate and drain.
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## message-1399859529877029075
**2025-07-29T21:02:00.055+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Hmm
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## message-1399859659472634068
**2025-07-29T21:02:30.953+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Do we really have some concrete numbers on what the FETs are able to tolerate?
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## message-1399859891132170280
**2025-07-29T21:03:26.185+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The closest thing I can see in the docs is `5 Punch-Through Voltage`, which is higher than a 5V difference even for low-voltage FETs.
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**2025-07-29T21:05:31.149+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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No, not really.
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**2025-07-29T21:06:02.045+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Maybe @Tim 'mithro' Ansell has access to some SOA.
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## message-1399860713031471196
**2025-07-29T21:06:42.141+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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There is https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/analog/spice/elec_specs/elec_specs_5_4.html
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## message-1399860782639878386
**2025-07-29T21:06:58.737+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I can also just tape it out. Not as a proper IO cell, just that test circuit somewhere on the die. See what happens.
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## message-1399860807080214528
**2025-07-29T21:07:04.564+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But by that spec you might as well just use the 3v3 transistor at 5V all the time 😅
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**2025-07-29T21:07:58.3+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I mean....we can try.
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## message-1399861196680597568
**2025-07-29T21:08:37.452+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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My plan for the first shuttle here is it to tape out a 3.3V chip using my SCL and custom IO pads for 3.3V operation.
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## message-1399861269472743507
**2025-07-29T21:08:54.807+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I can sacrifice a few to 5V experiments.
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## message-1399861328222617730
**2025-07-29T21:09:08.814+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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There is also https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/analog/spice/elec_specs/elec_specs_5_5.html
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**2025-07-29T21:14:05.348+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I don't think they'd immediately die at 5V, I think it's more accelerated degradation and might only show on some percentage of a chip after hundreds or thousands of hours ...
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**2025-07-29T22:50:33.477+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Okay, so, basically, we don't know exactly what'd happen.
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## message-1399892866754416771
**2025-07-29T23:14:28.186+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm sure someone might but I wouldn't trust their answers until it was verified with a real tape out.
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## message-1400512201709850676
**2025-07-31T16:15:29.146+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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It would be good to have those estimates anyways. But yeah, I can absolutely tape out some test structures.
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**2025-07-31T16:25:39.323+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So, this is kindof an important question for what I wish to do: if customizing the types of IO pads in the pad ring is on the table for wafer.space, does that mean we get access to analog IO (which was frustratingly not a thing on GFMPWs)?
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## message-1400798212671017105
**2025-08-01T11:11:59.473+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I know there was someone who was yearning for a transmission gate in the 5V 7-track SCL. Well, I made it in both _1 and _2 variants. I’m not sure how to characterize these, though. lctime can’t do it.
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## message-1400798660333273139
**2025-08-01T11:13:46.204+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I can characterize the delays from A -> Y when the EN = 1, ENB = 0. But I cannot characterize the turn on/off delays when switching the enables. So they’re treated like regular buffers by STA.
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**2025-08-01T11:14:23.543+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I can also make a version with the inverter to generate ENB built-in, but I believe the idea is that multiple of these can share one inverter.
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**2025-08-01T11:16:33.18+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I know a multi-bit flip-flop was also a thing that people wanted, so I may do that next.
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## message-1400800243255218300
**2025-08-01T11:20:03.602+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I know a 8-to-1 mux was also on the list of desired standard cells. But that one is gonna take some doing. That’s a lot of logic.
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**2025-08-07T14:36:07.222+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Do we know what actually happens when a 3.3V FET is pushed into punch-through?
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**2025-08-07T14:36:12.561+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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What kinda currents are to be expected?
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## message-1403023978792222741
**2025-08-07T14:36:23.469+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Unfortunately, its not included in the SPICE models.
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## message-1404059905844838470
**2025-08-10T11:12:47.725+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I don't think so, at least not on GF180MCU.
I assume that this is often not modeled since you are outside the safe operating range.
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## message-1404059980931272745
**2025-08-10T11:13:05.627+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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By the way, here are a some nice I/O cell symbols for IHP as inspiration: https://github.com/IHP-GmbH/IHP-Open-PDK/pull/630
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## message-1404062892214718546
**2025-08-10T11:24:39.731+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I also see we don't have a IO pad cell that can switch between analog and digital IO. I wonder how difficult that would be to do.
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## message-1404063171861286992
**2025-08-10T11:25:46.404+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The naive approach I feel like taking is it to take the existing digital bi-directional IO cell and cramming a transmission gate in there somewhere to switch an analog signal.
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## message-1404063263838175343
**2025-08-10T11:26:08.333+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The digital output can already be fully disabled, of course.
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## message-1404063449796837469
**2025-08-10T11:26:52.669+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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If that is not the stupidest idea ever, though, I think I can pull that off quite easily.
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## message-1404070340253974660
**2025-08-10T11:54:15.482+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But ... why ?
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## message-1404070579384090775
**2025-08-10T11:55:12.495+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Didn't sky130 have such cells?
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## message-1404070622224584806
**2025-08-10T11:55:22.709+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I mean, sky130 caravel
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## message-1404070821500293181
**2025-08-10T11:56:10.22+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I remember that being a thing in the IO configuration options in mgmt controller firmware, at least. And option for analog.
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## message-1404070837363019898
**2025-08-10T11:56:14.002+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It did, but AFAIK no-one was using them and caravel didn't either.
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## message-1404070898687938674
**2025-08-10T11:56:28.623+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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It would be useful for multi-project dies
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## message-1404070962038702140
**2025-08-10T11:56:43.727+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The option for in the mgm controller was just disabling the output buffer and input buffer.
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## message-1404071099343306772
**2025-08-10T11:57:16.463+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The transmissions gates and analog muxing and all the analog stuff of the IO cell was never used. Instead carvel just wired directly to the pad through a resistor, no switching.
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## message-1404071259381305448
**2025-08-10T11:57:54.619+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I kindof need such a cell for my own purposes, at least.
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## message-1404071294890283071
**2025-08-10T11:58:03.085+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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And that's what they did in GF too, hence the `ef` IO pad where they just added an analog connection.
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## message-1404071349537734717
**2025-08-10T11:58:16.114+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh
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## message-1404071414151254167
**2025-08-10T11:58:31.519+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh so that's what's different about the ef cell
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## message-1404071441049190483
**2025-08-10T11:58:37.932+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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yes
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## message-1404071811221557388
**2025-08-10T12:00:06.188+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Just a resistor doesn't seem like the best approach to me, tbh
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## message-1404071843261845595
**2025-08-10T12:00:13.827+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Since that does limit current
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## message-1404071898978979981
**2025-08-10T12:00:27.111+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The resistor is just meant as ESD protection.
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## message-1404072571720306730
**2025-08-10T12:03:07.505+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I mean, I'm also worried that if the pin is used for digital IO too, the digital voltages might backflow into the analog circuitry and cause damage, especially if that pin's dual purpose is analog output.
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## message-1404073028245258240
**2025-08-10T12:04:56.349+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Well it all depends on what's wired to the analog pin of course. There is no "one-size-fit-all". Because a pass gate is a non-linear resistor which is also not a perfect solution. And depending on its size it will also be a current limit ... or an added capacitance depending on where you lie on its size ...
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## message-1404073227273109535
**2025-08-10T12:05:43.801+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Right
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## message-1404073481674555544
**2025-08-10T12:06:44.455+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I'll have to evaluate that on a case-by-case basis
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## message-1404073566776987648
**2025-08-10T12:07:04.745+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Of course, I do hope I'll be able to customize the pad frame and swap out the actual IO pad structures for my own so that I may do that.
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## message-1404075726512062504
**2025-08-10T12:15:39.666+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Speaking of the mgmt controller, though: will wafer.space customers have the option of using the RISC-V management controller wrapper on their dies? If so, I have to report a really nasty bug in that thing's caches that I found that caused me a lot of grief and that should definitely be fixed.
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## message-1404076892604072018
**2025-08-10T12:20:17.684+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The home page specifically states "... not requiring the usage of a specific pad frame or Caravel."
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## message-1404079816671629394
**2025-08-10T12:31:54.836+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Well, "not requiring" still does not exclude the possibility of it being an option.
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## message-1404080449780846754
**2025-08-10T12:34:25.781+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But basically, user area wishbone writes corrupt the latest data cache entry. So if you set a variable before doing that wishbone write, the variable write has now been undone until the cache is flushed.
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## message-1404080566151680102
**2025-08-10T12:34:53.526+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Or...something like that. Its weird and hard to debug. I just have a way of reproducing it sitting in one of my repos somewhere.
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## message-1404085314871496826
**2025-08-10T12:53:45.709+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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It would be great if you could file an issue here: https://github.com/fossi-foundation/caravel_mgmt_soc-gf180mcu
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## message-1404086399501733918
**2025-08-10T12:58:04.305+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I will! I didn't know there was new repos for this stuff.
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## message-1404086445471305851
**2025-08-10T12:58:15.265+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I kinda thought I'd never get to report that bug when efabless went under.
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## message-1404093296686534758
**2025-08-10T13:25:28.722+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Thanks! Yes, the repos under the FOSSi Foundation should be considered the authoritative source.
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**2025-08-21T16:45:54.044+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) / @tnt / @Tholin / @psychogenic - Probably a good idea to have the discussion about the padring and chip-on-board stuff here?
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## message-1408130051723235410
**2025-08-21T16:46:06.122+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - It appears that Tiny Tapeout finally convinced @Tim Edwards to join Discord so I invited him here too.
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**2025-08-21T16:46:35.808+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Yeah, I'm here. : )
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**2025-08-21T16:52:01.235+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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```text
Well, what I'd like is that for TT users, whatever they receive, they should have the option to use it on a custom board without having a gigantic connector and huge associated parasitics. ATM with a QFN it's easy enough to unsolder it to re-use it and we also sell kits where the QFN is not soldered and thus can be easily used on custom projects.
QFN also make testing before full assembly easier because it's easy for me to do one and validate things. For the last 2 (or3?) TT boards, there was something that went wrong and required fixing before final assembly of the whole batch.
Bare-dies and wire bonding make all of that not trivial ...
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## message-1408132042213818379
**2025-08-21T16:54:00.692+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1408132042213818379`
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The only 2 ideas I had were :
* Use a tiny board-to-connector like they use on cell phones and stuff, something small and hopefull not too expensive but still doesn't have huge parasitics
* Make our "homebrew" QFN basically wirebonding the chip to a tiny ( like 15mm x 15mm ) thin PCB that exposes pads on the bottom and can be reflowed on the final PCB.
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## message-1408132297068118046
**2025-08-21T16:55:01.454+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1408132297068118046`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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I updated a few details on chip on board thoughts @ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ts9o1qC_U_-j65IQ7aDVNUoQ0aruVR_bUW2TsVUjdYo/edit?tab=t.0
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## message-1408133331878674435
**2025-08-21T16:59:08.172+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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As far as the pad ring, the only thing I would specify is the number and position of pads _if_ you plan to offer more than bare die but also some form of "packaging" service. What the actual pins are doesn't really matter ... With the possible exception of marking some of the sites as being "GND" so you can bond them to a gnd pad or to the substrate via conducive epoxy or such.
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## message-1408133825719959702
**2025-08-21T17:01:05.913+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm working on partnering with PCB Way, Seeed and JLCPCB (talking to people at each of these companies) so they can do the packaging.
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## message-1408133975934763019
**2025-08-21T17:01:41.727+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I've also been meaning to chase up @stuart about what his partner can / can't do.
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## message-1408134207255089202
**2025-08-21T17:02:36.878+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I wrote in the document;
> As wafer.space provides bare die -- the goal is to provide a number of existing pad rings for people which have associated PCBs already designed (with a known cost) and manufacturer pathway (which also has a known cost).
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## message-1408135145076035616
**2025-08-21T17:06:20.472+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1408135145076035616`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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I created the #📦-cob channel for the chip-on-board discussion.
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## message-1408135581719986327
**2025-08-21T17:08:04.576+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1408135581719986327`
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Padrings is also another interesting topic, I'd say.
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## message-1408135879846924408
**2025-08-21T17:09:15.655+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I've see cob and padring stuff connected?
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## message-1408137463930687499
**2025-08-21T17:15:33.33+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Alright
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## message-1408139373223874680
**2025-08-21T17:23:08.541+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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People might find https://bit.ly/ws-tiny-riscv-proof interesting too.
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## message-1408141376272466062
**2025-08-21T17:31:06.105+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Not really sure why you want to go bit serial ... the size of the SRAM is going to be way bigger than the rest of the logic I think.
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## message-1408141493088161905
**2025-08-21T17:31:33.956+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Also if you have the full die for it, then space is really not much of a constraint.
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## message-1408141596033290311
**2025-08-21T17:31:58.5+00:00 — urish**
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unless you want a 64-core MCU 😉
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## message-1408144868080881696
**2025-08-21T17:44:58.617+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1408144868080881696`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@tnt - The idea is to sub-divide the die into even smaller die to get cost down even further
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## message-1408145057470615662
**2025-08-21T17:45:43.771+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1408145057470615662`
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IE Try to prove you could do a sub-$1 type thing.
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## message-1408145176605626388
**2025-08-21T17:46:12.175+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1408145176605626388`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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So you're going to have different die sizes ?
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## message-1408146617772540037
**2025-08-21T17:51:55.776+00:00 — stuart (@saladchap)**
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- Author ID: `1184268085822238821`
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Place I know only does alu wire bonds, not gold. They can do packaging too but not asked for details, do we have any kind of spec or requirements data I can share with them?
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## message-1408146811922812951
**2025-08-21T17:52:42.065+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1408146811922812951`
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@digshadow Was looking at dicing the bare die even further with lasers and similar
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## message-1408173323137056778
**2025-08-21T19:38:02.831+00:00 — digshadow**
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yeah and I would go so far to say I'll probably laser dice the "garage semiconductor" test chips at some point
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## message-1408179460422893674
**2025-08-21T20:02:26.074+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1408179675985088623
**2025-08-21T20:03:17.468+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm clueless enough to not know why alu matters verse gold?
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## message-1408336749134086144
**2025-08-22T06:27:26.625+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1408336749134086144`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
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So do we ditch Caravel and its padframe? As @Tim Edwards mentioned in FOSSi Chat, it's excruciatingly slower than the earlier picorv32 implementation (about 100 times slower), and as @Tholin discovered, there's a major bug in it (https://github.com/fossi-foundation/caravel_mgmt_soc-gf180mcu/issues/1).
If @tnt uses the same script to create the I/O cell positions as for Tiny Tapeout on IHP, this would be compatible with the LibreLane padring generation step. I can then replicate the same padring using just the config.yaml in LibreLane, and wafer.space users could easily swap out the I/O cells for other types.
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## message-1408337663827775561
**2025-08-22T06:31:04.705+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1408337663827775561`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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I was definitely going to use the same script ... (or possibly just use the one merged in LibreLane if I manage to get it to do what I need). I mean it just distributes the IO as evenly spaced as possible so that satisfies my OCD 😅
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## message-1408344177934077993
**2025-08-22T06:56:57.789+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1408344177934077993`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Well, an even distribution definitely makes sense :)
We just need to think how we can improve the script when we have differently sized cells, or cells with two bondpads. But luckily, the I/O cells in gf180mcu all have the same size again.
You would need to enter the I/O cell names and the instances similar to [here](https://github.com/mole99/greyhound-ihp/blob/dd7334364b053c3a0b52e81fc34a8fffb9808f5f/config.yaml#L162). But I think in your script you automatically place the I/O cells based on the instances?
In that case, the padring step allows you to supply a custom pad.cfg, similar to the PDN step.
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## message-1408354432974061670
**2025-08-22T07:37:42.781+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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Yeah the instance name is ... randomly picked by yosys with a bunch of `generate so the best I can do is match it with regexp but definitely not provide one complete stable name.
And yeah, I don't see why you need to set the pad type in the config. You instanciate them in the verilog right ? So that info is available in the database already and from the name you can get the type.
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## message-1408356121604915210
**2025-08-22T07:44:25.382+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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True, that would be a nice improvement!
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## message-1408358888914550894
**2025-08-22T07:55:25.16+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1408358888914550894`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I assume all this means I’d have to cook up my own setup for generating the top level GDS and all the macros using LibreLane?
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## message-1408359872713723935
**2025-08-22T07:59:19.716+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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What do you mean by that? From now on, you should no longer use OpenLane anyway.
There will probably be a wafer.space example design that can be used as a starting point for creating the complete chip with padring.
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## message-1408360956014366801
**2025-08-22T08:03:37.995+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1408360956014366801`
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I did say LibreLane. Avoiding the old OpenLane is what I’m trying to do, otherwise I’d be a little more okay with using the gf180 caravel_user_project.
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## message-1408362485915848764
**2025-08-22T08:09:42.752+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, I thought it was clear that we are using LibreLane for everything. So I thought your question was about something else, maybe reusing macros from OpenLane - which is possible.
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## message-1408363171105865770
**2025-08-22T08:12:26.114+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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No, I’m worried about *not* being able to use LibreLane. Don’t wanna fall back to OL.
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## message-1408363480980914227
**2025-08-22T08:13:39.994+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Then it's all fine :)
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## message-1408386566404968601
**2025-08-22T09:45:23.988+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1408386585493508157
**2025-08-22T09:45:28.539+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Not bad for starters
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## message-1408487821664194602
**2025-08-22T16:27:45.123+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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https://ic.onidev.fr/library/gf180mcu.html
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## message-1408505482670243942
**2025-08-22T17:37:55.835+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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If anyone is procrastinating, feel free to update the info @ https://bit.ly/ws-gf180mcu-stdcells 🙂
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## message-1408512047108456489
**2025-08-22T18:04:00.919+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I added some info
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## message-1408513947165921412
**2025-08-22T18:11:33.928+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Thanks! I moved your lib closer to the top as one which is under active development.
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## message-1408517898770845736
**2025-08-22T18:27:16.064+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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BTW The LibreSilicon people have a solution called popcorn which "grows" standard cells out of an inverter - https://pdk.libresilicon.com/
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## message-1408811018725097513
**2025-08-23T13:52:01.307+00:00 — leviathanch (@leviathanch.)**
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Exactly. We also already generate standard cells for SKY130, GF180 and most recently I have introduced support for IHP's SG13G2
https://gitlab.libresilicon.com/generator-tools/standard-cell-generator
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## message-1408811154142269480
**2025-08-23T13:52:33.593+00:00 — leviathanch (@leviathanch.)**
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Skywater and IHP's cells still have some short circuits and I'd be glad if some folks could render some support with solving it
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## message-1408811301626449940
**2025-08-23T13:53:08.756+00:00 — leviathanch (@leviathanch.)**
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In addition, I'm also currently working on a pad cell generator, which dynamically layouts pad cells from a parametric meta design based on design rules provided
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## message-1408811372606652456
**2025-08-23T13:53:25.679+00:00 — leviathanch (@leviathanch.)**
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first however, we need to make the DRC violations and shorts go away
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## message-1408813395066490990
**2025-08-23T14:01:27.871+00:00 — leviathanch (@leviathanch.)**
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I wrote some text on our wiki page and built a Docker container with all the tools needed for getting started, even klayout should work (still some issues with IHP tho)
https://wiki.libresilicon.com/index.php?title=StdCellLib
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## message-1408813478637998102
**2025-08-23T14:01:47.796+00:00 — leviathanch (@leviathanch.)**
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I'd be very happy about support, because right now I'm basically a one man show
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## message-1408813800668397719
**2025-08-23T14:03:04.574+00:00 — leviathanch (@leviathanch.)**
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My own 1 micron process from Hong Kong currently refuses to route, IHP and SKY130 still produce short circuits which makes CharLib fail characterizing the cells
https://gitlab.libresilicon.com/generator-tools/standard-cell-generator/-/pipelines/148
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## message-1408847567411875850
**2025-08-23T16:17:15.193+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1408847567411875850`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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```text
I have a minor question. Has it become any easier to use a custom SCL in LibreLane? Doing so in OpenLane requires me to hack the PDK install, merging my SCL in and editing some config files to get it to recognize and even so I still need some hacks in the flow configuration too. I know this approach works with LibreLane too, I did it during a TinyTapeout experimental shuttle and my sky130 SCL, but I wonder if there is a better way by now.
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## message-1408847640682168441
**2025-08-23T16:17:32.662+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Can I just tell LibreLane "there is a separate SCL at this path, please include it"?
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## message-1408853881819103444
**2025-08-23T16:42:20.665+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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If you couldn't with OL2, it's unlikely you can with LL.
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## message-1408853962945204256
**2025-08-23T16:42:40.007+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Talking about OL1
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## message-1408854130855903272
**2025-08-23T16:43:20.04+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1408854130855903272`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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- Edited: 2025-08-23T16:43:39.035+00:00
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TT did use OL2 (or LL? I forgot), but I kinda just went with my hacky approach because I was pressed for time and knew it would work, at least
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## message-1408855401390411888
**2025-08-23T16:48:22.959+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I'm not sure. You could try to just override all the PDK SCL relative config options in your config ...
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**2025-08-23T16:49:45.79+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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All the stuff normally set in `config.tcl` and `$(SCL)/config.tcl` that you need to change, override those in your project config.
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## message-1408856024546279474
**2025-08-23T16:50:51.531+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That could work. Depends on if the project config takes precedence over the PDK configs.
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## message-1408856962094858361
**2025-08-23T16:54:35.06+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yes, it should, I override defaults all the time.
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## message-1408867906099609761
**2025-08-23T17:38:04.314+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - It might be worth chatting with donn on https://matrix.to/#/#librelane:fossi-chat.org
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## message-1409318783247716392
**2025-08-24T23:29:41.803+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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```text
Okay, I’m still not done, BUT
this has the same size as a caravel die and is pad-out compatible! Of course, without a mgmt controller, there is 5 more GPIOs.
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## message-1409318897559142572
**2025-08-24T23:30:09.057+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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That took all weekend to get to work, even with htamas’ POC repo as a starting point.
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## message-1409320631140614256
**2025-08-24T23:37:02.375+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Nickname: Tholin
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**Content**
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Issues:
- I’m pretty sure power isn’t connected - the several thousand warnings in the log about unconnected vss and vdd nets imply as such
- the SL, CS, PD and PU pins on the bidir IO pads are tied to constant values. Not sure what to do with them. Forward to user project area? Tie to constants according to a user config file? Feedback on this is appreciated.
- No SDC files to define delays introduced by IO pads - top-level STA is therefore questionable
- Needs some Makefile magic to be more user-friendly of a setup
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## message-1409320869112840333
**2025-08-24T23:37:59.112+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I need to go for today, but I will work on this more tomorrow and create a repo.
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## message-1409424305539911724
**2025-08-25T06:29:00.278+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Great work! But as mentioned earlier, we will most likely use new pad positions for Tiny Tapeout, which will become the new standard pad ring.
Yeah, I also need to look into power connections. @htamas I noticed that you have some `CONNECT_POWER_PADS` defines in your code. Have you managed to get your padring to connect automatically to the core PDN?
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**2025-08-25T06:31:38.586+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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@tnt One thing to consider for the future when I/O cells with different widths are a thing: Do we distribute the positions of the bondpads evenly, or do we make sure the distance between the I/O cells is evenly distributed? Currently, because all cells have the same width, both is the case. (Might not be that relevant for TT, but I would like to make the LibreLane padring step future-proof.)
I would go for the latter. With the first approach there is the issue that you can't go as tight because a larger cell might already be touching its neighbours while the other cells still have space. If there are cells with two bondpads, such as for LVDS, it becomes difficult to ensure the same distance between all the bondpads anyways.
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## message-1409471166971908246
**2025-08-25T09:35:12.914+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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What is the point of having the IE (Input Enable) pin on the bidir IO cells? I thought it tri-states something, but it doesn’t. Seems to just force Y to zero.
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## message-1409472447471681551
**2025-08-25T09:40:18.209+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It probably prevents shoot through current if you maintain a mid-rail voltage at the input.
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## message-1409473391156658256
**2025-08-25T09:44:03.201+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Possibly
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## message-1409473463898472530
**2025-08-25T09:44:20.544+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I figured having OE and IE set at the same time might cause a conflict, but I don’t see how.
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## message-1409480972919111700
**2025-08-25T10:14:10.834+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yeah, the doc says that's invalid, but I also didn't really see what problem it could cause ...
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## message-1409485079058714694
**2025-08-25T10:30:29.814+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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If you check my reverse engineered schematics, you’ll see that it makes no difference to a pin set to output whether IE is also set or not.
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**2025-08-25T10:39:34.344+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yes, that's what I concluded from the spice models too
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## message-1409499153238724719
**2025-08-25T11:26:25.36+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But I think, for the sake of completeness, I will wire the IEs to the user project area on my little setup too.
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## message-1409525705934504008
**2025-08-25T13:11:56.016+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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@htamas I see the "GeneratePDN" step is still enabled in your top-level flow, even though it won’t actually do anything. Is there any reason for this? I had to disable it in my project because it suddenly started throwing errors for seemingly no reason.
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## message-1409552902980112405
**2025-08-25T15:00:00.297+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Power routing is still an issue. I checked how they did it in caravel and its...odd.
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## message-1409553199479783518
**2025-08-25T15:01:10.988+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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There is a macro in the hierarchy called "caravel_power_routing" that just contains short bridges on Metal3 that connect between the power rails in the pad ring, and the PDN of caravel_core.
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## message-1409553551776284755
**2025-08-25T15:02:34.982+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I would like to have a general-purpose solution rather than doing that part manually, so I guess its time to write a custom step?
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## message-1409558061416316958
**2025-08-25T15:20:30.164+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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To visualize: The VDD and VSS IO cells have just a little bit of overhang on the Metal2 layer for all power rails, which is where caravel_power_routing latches on to and bridges to a PDN’s ring further to the right.
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## message-1409559129852219553
**2025-08-25T15:24:44.899+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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AFAIU `pdngen` should be capable of extending straps to the IO power rings but I'm not sure how to set that up.
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**2025-08-25T15:26:49.156+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Ah but here it's some pad kind of thing. I know for caravel sky130 I did write a custom step for that.
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## message-1409569324687036466
**2025-08-25T16:05:15.537+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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In any case, here is what I have so far:
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**2025-08-25T16:05:17.384+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/ll_gf180_full_chip
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## message-1409569464500097094
**2025-08-25T16:05:48.871+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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You can open it in the (latest!) iic-osic-tools and do `make user_project_example`, `make user_project_wrapper`, `make chip`
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## message-1409569521098035263
**2025-08-25T16:06:02.365+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Trying to emulate the efabless naming conventions a little bit.
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## message-1409569779320094861
**2025-08-25T16:07:03.93+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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The only thing that’s missing is the power connections to the top-level PDN in `chip`
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## message-1409671158705426604
**2025-08-25T22:49:54.659+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1409671158705426604`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Yeah, I believe I have to ask for help with the power connection problem. I’m not sure what the best approach would be here. Making hookups to the rails in the padring is also an option.
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## message-1410000389494931597
**2025-08-26T20:38:09.396+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1410000389494931597`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I decided to just cheat a little bit. Made custom VDD/VSS IO cells that are actually just copies of the PDK cells, but I gave them tails like this.
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## message-1410000436546768970
**2025-08-26T20:38:20.614+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I actually need to make them longer, they don’t quite reach the ring of the PDN.
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## message-1410000717460279306
**2025-08-26T20:39:27.589+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Literally called `gf180mcu_fd_io__dvdd_tail` because I’m not very creative.
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## message-1410038987401330688
**2025-08-26T23:11:31.854+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1410038987401330688`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Okay, can’t get it to connect yet, but almost there.
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## message-1410043485020749834
**2025-08-26T23:29:24.17+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Nickname: Tholin
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PDN won’t lock on to these and drop down vias. I’ll figure this out tomorrow.
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## message-1410252170820976711
**2025-08-27T13:18:38.742+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1410252190282678284
**2025-08-27T13:18:43.382+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I managed to persuade pdngen to connect to the default I/O power/ground cells.
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## message-1410255245220642867
**2025-08-27T13:30:51.736+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I got it figured out may way too!
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## message-1410338437843779756
**2025-08-27T19:01:26.403+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1410338437843779756`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1410338437843779756
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Alright! Done! I even included a basic setup with cocotb for RTL and GL verification.
https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/ll_gf180_full_chip
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## message-1410338960667840542
**2025-08-27T19:03:31.054+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1410342297022763128
**2025-08-27T19:16:46.503+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1410342297022763128`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Edited: 2025-08-27T19:16:57.91+00:00
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Only remaining issue is that LVS fails simply because the vsscore and vddcore nets in one circuit have a random number added to the end of their names?
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## message-1410342306258882640
**2025-08-27T19:16:48.705+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Weird
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## message-1410372257070714890
**2025-08-27T21:15:49.535+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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24,875 magic DRC errors :flop:
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## message-1410374445045911645
**2025-08-27T21:24:31.189+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Right, I remember this
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## message-1410374513413328976
**2025-08-27T21:24:47.489+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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When I was reverse-engineering that IO cell, I saw that it had tons of DRC errors.
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## message-1410374584972345357
**2025-08-27T21:25:04.55+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The IO cells in the PDK are just....like this. They have tons of DRC errors.
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## message-1410975277537824808
**2025-08-29T13:12:00.818+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Doesn’t have much at the moment, but this is where I will upload all the extra standard cells I’m making:
https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/gf180mcu_extra_cells
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## message-1411394408883945494
**2025-08-30T16:57:29.518+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1411394408883945494`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Working on the multi-bit DFF now. I assume the point of that is area savings by making multiple DFFs share the same clock inverters, not just because of the reduced area from less inverters, but also because it simplifies the clock tree.
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## message-1411401787079921724
**2025-08-30T17:26:48.617+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1411401787079921724`
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Nice, looking forward to it!
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## message-1411401984166072450
**2025-08-30T17:27:35.606+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1411401984166072450`
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Do you know whether the I/O cells are violating the rules or whether the DRC deck is incomplete?
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## message-1411406436801449994
**2025-08-30T17:45:17.197+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I've been trying to put together 3.3V compatible IO cells by simply modifying the existing ones. And so I can say that, yeah, there are actual DRC errors in there that I keep having to fix.
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## message-1411406719460048986
**2025-08-30T17:46:24.588+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1411406719460048986`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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For instance, the pad driver macro on the 24t bidir IO cell has minimum width violations on resistive ndiff and pdiff regions.
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## message-1411409149341995050
**2025-08-30T17:56:03.917+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1411409149341995050`
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That is interesting. I wonder how Efabless did their tapeouts then. Maybe these rules only apply to the core area? Or GF waived the DRC errors on the I/O cells? I'll have to ask Tim.
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## message-1411409947991871548
**2025-08-30T17:59:14.33+00:00 — Saltypretzel (@_saltypretzel)**
- Message ID: `1411409947991871548`
- Author ID: `371851806067654657`
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Maybe since the pad frame was the same for each tapeout, all the chips would have the same drc errors in the padring
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## message-1411410502248300615
**2025-08-30T18:01:26.475+00:00 — Saltypretzel (@_saltypretzel)**
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I don’t recall having drc errors in the pad ring at least when I ran drc on magic. Of course, when they submit to fab, they maybe run their own closed source calibre deck on it first.
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## message-1411424582459592834
**2025-08-30T18:57:23.459+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1411424582459592834`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Yes, the same padring was used for all designs on GFMPW0/1 afaik.
Did you submit a design to one of the shuttles? You probably only ran DRC on the `user_project_wrapper`, which was later integrated with the padring.
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## message-1411810781183475844
**2025-08-31T20:32:00.41+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1411810781183475844`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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As far as I recall from the tapeouts, we got GF to waive all the errors that were inside their own cells. But it has been a long time since we did those tapeouts, and I have forgotten all the details. Reading other tools' GDS into magic is always a struggle, and what you see is not necessarily what you get. I'm running DRC on the Caravel GF version chip_io padframe now to try to refresh my memory.
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## message-1411811881051488336
**2025-08-31T20:36:22.639+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1411811881051488336`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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A review of the padframe suggests that most errors are the usual struggle to read in layers like DUALGATE that may exist outside the cell with the diffusion that it affects, which is the sort of thing that magic does not deal with very well. Failure to see DUALGATE in the right cell then ends up triggering errors about different voltage gates in the same well. But I have yet to see anything that is obviously a real error.
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## message-1411832878551138357
**2025-08-31T21:59:48.833+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1411832878551138357`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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My conclusion as well. All errors to do with clearance and sizing are not technically impossible, quite clearly so if you look at all the working GFMPW chips.
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## message-1411833022965223544
**2025-08-31T22:00:23.264+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1411833022965223544`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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- Edited: 2025-08-31T22:00:34.215+00:00
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Can we expect a similar waiver from GF again? Otherwise, I am 100% down to sit down and spend a few days editing the IO cells to be DRC clean.
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## message-1413273636747608137
**2025-09-04T21:24:52.355+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin / @Tim Edwards - I'm hoping to work with @Leo Moser (mole99) to put together something using previous MPW designs to send to GF for testing very soon.
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## message-1413274014448750723
**2025-09-04T21:26:22.406+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Like, this month?
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## message-1413281402404864061
**2025-09-04T21:55:43.832+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Yes
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## message-1413281465587990601
**2025-09-04T21:55:58.896+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1413281465587990601`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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Hopefully that isn't a surpise to @Leo Moser (mole99) 🙂
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## message-1413284662578647040
**2025-09-04T22:08:41.118+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its was a surprise to me, heh
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## message-1413284806137217175
**2025-09-04T22:09:15.345+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Would you also be interested in sending one of the WiP custom padframes to GF for testing?
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## message-1413295696488038440
**2025-09-04T22:52:31.807+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Sure! I believe @Leo Moser (mole99) is busy this week with finishing iHP related stuff?
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## message-1413298572509708369
**2025-09-04T23:03:57.504+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I have a padframe that should be working.
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## message-1413298847207133245
**2025-09-04T23:05:02.997+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I can take that, populate the project area with a copy of one of my GFMPW designs and we'll see if everything still works as before.
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## message-1413299018775269579
**2025-09-04T23:05:43.902+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1413299018775269579`
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Would allow me to do some fixes as well. The RISC-V core on my multi-project die is just a few adjustments/bugfixes away from being able to boot Linux.
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## message-1413313531117572229
**2025-09-05T00:03:23.914+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell Would this be of interest to you in general? Linux-capable CPU core on gf180?
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## message-1413313795652190278
**2025-09-05T00:04:26.984+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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A bit weird but I definitely wouldn't say no.
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## message-1413314780281835621
**2025-09-05T00:08:21.738+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The uclinux on Tiny Tapeout is a pretty good demo to show people.
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## message-1413552812046160045
**2025-09-05T15:54:12.933+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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The idea is to get early feedback from GF, especially regarding the sealring, as the corner of the sealring is simply "best-effort" since we don't have any rules for it in the PDK. Another issue is fill generation, for which we currently only have a partial implementation in magic.
I'm just finishing up my IHP tapeout and will be at ORConf right after that. After ORConf, I will have one full week to create a test reticle and work on fill. I will also upload the template repository for wafer.space designs.
I would appreciate if you could use the template to build your chip @Tholin. It automatically adds the sealring after GDS streamout.
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## message-1413554675843731528
**2025-09-05T16:01:37.297+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Alright, will do
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## message-1413554806211084359
**2025-09-05T16:02:08.379+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I'm rushing some bugfixes to my multi-project die right now, and then I will tape that out a second time.
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## message-1413555067881128058
**2025-09-05T16:03:10.766+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Not gonna do anything new. The multi-project die is a whole heap of designs that I already know the characteristics of, which is good.
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## message-1413557214035312643
**2025-09-05T16:11:42.449+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Thanks! I'll let you know after ORConf once it's pushed.
Being able to make comparisons between previous shuttles is definitely good.
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## message-1413589993426911483
**2025-09-05T18:21:57.665+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tholin : I'm glad you're working on a 3.3V standard cell library for GF180MCU. I have come to the conclusion that the OSU standard cells are invalid and probably will never be synthesizable. I think it is the same old story with academic development---At one time in the past, they had expertise in standard cell design, but that expertise has been lost, and now all they do is academic excercises like CharLib where they are concerned about simulation efficiency and accuracy, and nobody has noticed that the layouts they're passing to the tool are unworkable for a variety of reasons (such as, for example, having a cell height that is not divisible by any track height).
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## message-1413591289177444487
**2025-09-05T18:27:06.596+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yeah! I do need to keep working on it sometime. Its on hold for now until after the first wafer.space shuttle.
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## message-1413799701341278330
**2025-09-06T08:15:15.928+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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@Tholin Just so you know, final submission will be in early December, so there may still be time to work on it :)
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## message-1413904979541884949
**2025-09-06T15:13:36.207+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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True, but my SCL is 3.3V and I do wish to tape out one more 5V chip on the first wafer.space shuttle.
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## message-1413905116708470905
**2025-09-06T15:14:08.91+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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```text
Second and onwards I will be playing with 3.3V. Lets uhhh...make sure that the 5V stuff we have already works first.
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## message-1413905272761614396
**2025-09-06T15:14:46.116+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1413905272761614396`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1413905272761614396
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```text
Oh, that *just* reminds me that I should absolutely create a test layout for the extra 5V cells I’m making.
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## message-1414758660860547072
**2025-09-08T23:45:49.694+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1414758660860547072`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1414758660860547072
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**Content**
```text
@everyone - The CrowdSupply page which will allows you to purchase wafer.space slots will be live in the next day or two. I am looking for people who want to purchase a slot to be beta testers.
```
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## message-1414788304838201387
**2025-09-09T01:43:37.369+00:00 — ombudsman**
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- Author ID: `374977737334456320`
- Nickname: ombudsman
- User name: ombudsman
- Type: `Default`
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Hey @Tim 'mithro' Ansell which pdk will we be using?
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## message-1414788691536252990
**2025-09-09T01:45:09.565+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1414788691536252990`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2025-09-09T01:46:10.554+00:00
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The gf180mcu PDK (https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/) - I believe at least @Leo Moser (mole99) & @Tholin, @tnt have already been working with it.
```
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## message-1414790061425164428
**2025-09-09T01:50:36.172+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1414790061425164428`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1414790061425164428
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2025-09/2025-09.json
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/Information/general/2025-09/2025-09.json
**Content**
```text
I believe `ciel` is the best way to get the PDK?
```
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## message-1414790285636145253
**2025-09-09T01:51:29.628+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
- Message ID: `1414790285636145253`
- Author ID: `1071653002986926112`
- Nickname: algofoogle (Anton Maurovic)
- User name: algofoogle
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1414790285636145253
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**Content**
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Exciting times, Tim 🙂
```
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## message-1414808556640796735
**2025-09-09T03:04:05.775+00:00 — always_ff_rohan**
- Message ID: `1414808556640796735`
- Author ID: `735201236877312021`
- Nickname: always_ff_rohan
- User name: always_ff_rohan
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yeah, with sky130 I use this - ```
#Enable PDK with this commit
ciel enable --pdk-family sky130A 12df12e2e74145e31c5a13de02f9a1e176b56e67
# Initiate the flow from design directory
librelane --ciel-pdk -p sky130A -s sky130_fd_sc_hd --flow Classic config.json
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## message-1414808812271042730
**2025-09-09T03:05:06.722+00:00 — always_ff_rohan**
- Message ID: `1414808812271042730`
- Author ID: `735201236877312021`
- Nickname: always_ff_rohan
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GF180 is also same I think
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## message-1414811268203679825
**2025-09-09T03:14:52.262+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
- Message ID: `1414811268203679825`
- Author ID: `509798510170865675`
- Nickname: Essen
- User name: essen__
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-09-09T03:22:50.709+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1414811268203679825
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Hi guys, I was told this was the place to be and you where looking for beta testers.
Still need to give it some more though as to if I wish to commit 6k to my broken a0 👋
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## message-1414941979313307739
**2025-09-09T11:54:16.219+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1414941979313307739`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1414941979313307739
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**Content**
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heyo, connected with Tim at OpenSauce and might have roped me into participating as well 🙂 In the middle of a big cross-country move right now (and have no layout experience past my own little DIY projects) so not sure if I'll make this first shuttle.
Was thinking about doing some test structures / circuits for an analog'y neuromorphic chip (spiking neural net stuff)
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## message-1415266376322383912
**2025-09-10T09:23:18.493+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
- Message ID: `1415266376322383912`
- Author ID: `1071653002986926112`
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I wish I had the personal budget for a whole die, but in the meantime if anyone is thinking of sharing the cost for a multi-project die, I would at least like to know 🙂
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## message-1415338686547103887
**2025-09-10T14:10:38.594+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
- Message ID: `1415338686547103887`
- Author ID: `509798510170865675`
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Hi @algofoogle (Anton Maurovic)
How much area would you be looking for, and do you have any specific requirements ?
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## message-1415361778879172628
**2025-09-10T15:42:24.235+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1415361778879172628`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
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If anyone is ready to order, please contact me with an email address and I'll add you to the access list.
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## message-1415382859748737157
**2025-09-10T17:06:10.306+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Can people test if https://buy.wafer.space sends them to https://www.crowdsupply.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-run-1/ correctly?
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## message-1415383259273232455
**2025-09-10T17:07:45.56+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1415383259273232455`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1415383259273232455
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Tested on Firefox and Edge. Re-direct works.
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## message-1415383700476133580
**2025-09-10T17:09:30.751+00:00 — urish**
- Message ID: `1415383700476133580`
- Author ID: `732347216412278825`
- Nickname: urish
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- Type: `Default`
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Works for me (Chrome)
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## message-1415384003229384856
**2025-09-10T17:10:42.933+00:00 — urish**
- Message ID: `1415384003229384856`
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Nice campaign page!
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## message-1415390870504607774
**2025-09-10T17:38:00.219+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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As I mentioned, anyone ready to commit to a slot, please message me and I'll get you added to the ability to purchase right away.
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## message-1415559697238593628
**2025-09-11T04:48:51.649+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1415583677563535413
**2025-09-11T06:24:09.004+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1415583677563535413`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell In the campaign page, maybe specify it's the `gf180mcuD` variant in the PDK, that should allow people to lookup anything they need about the exact spec ( like top metal thickness for instance ).
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## message-1415596695600762921
**2025-09-11T07:15:52.746+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1415596695600762921`
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Also "GlobalFoundries GF180MCU open‑source PDK" should be "GlobalFoundries gf180mcu open‑source PDK" or "GlobalFoundries open‑source PDK for GF180MCU".
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## message-1417259872113917972
**2025-09-15T21:24:44.927+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1417259872113917972`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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@Tholin : Would it be okay with you if I incorporated your `gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3` standard cells into the open_pdks build of GF180MCU as an option? I would like to put something on the 1st wafer.space shuttle run using this library.
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## message-1417260587330572428
**2025-09-15T21:27:35.448+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Edited: 2025-09-15T21:27:44.517+00:00
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Okay, full disclaimer first: I never ran the full prechecks on a layout produced with the SCL. I don't know if it produces DRC correct GDSII outputs in the eyes of klayout (which was a massive pain point with my other SCL).
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## message-1417260808018329611
**2025-09-15T21:28:28.064+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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I understand the risks, and I'm willing to run the whole library through a large project synthesis and debug anything that looks wrong. Maybe extend the library, as well.
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## message-1417260897298157731
**2025-09-15T21:28:49.35+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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I want a 3.3V standard cell library for gf180mcu, and OSU is not going to be it.
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## message-1417260965019259002
**2025-09-15T21:29:05.496+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yeah, I'm not surprised
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## message-1417261020807696457
**2025-09-15T21:29:18.797+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Hi everyone, I'm in the US/Chicago time zone until the 5th October
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## message-1417261220586848318
**2025-09-15T21:30:06.428+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1417261220586848318`
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@Tim Edwards - @Leo Moser (mole99) talked with Staf from chips4makers at OrConf and apparently his cells should work on GF180MCU
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## message-1417261726738415676
**2025-09-15T21:32:07.104+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I know Tim Ansell wants to do a test tapeout with GF later this month and for his consideration I'm gonna offer a GDSII of my multi-project die, but with some minor bugs fixed and using the template that mole99 is cooking up. After this, I'll be mostly free to keep developing my 3.3V SCL.
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## message-1417263406720880680
**2025-09-15T21:38:47.643+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : If you want people to have access to Staf's cells (SRAM, or does he have more?), then I just need a pointer to a repository and I can incorporate them into open_pdks for GF180MCU.
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## message-1417263570579751013
**2025-09-15T21:39:26.71+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tim Edwards - I'm guessing @Leo Moser (mole99) is probably still travelling back from OrConf at the moment.
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## message-1417264375294853261
**2025-09-15T21:42:38.569+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Edited: 2025-09-15T21:42:50.841+00:00
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This is what @Leo Moser (mole99) sent me;
> I'm now back from ORConf, which was great! I had some interesting discussions with a lot of people.
>
> One of the most interesting projects for us is Staf Verhaegen's SRAM compiler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9uyKw3XoiM
> It would not only allow us to generate SRAM macros in different configurations, but also for 3.3V transistors on gf180mcu.
>
> I asked him if he would be interested to put different SRAM configurations on a shuttle slot. He is interested, although there are some changes needed to make it work on gf180mcu.
> I told him I'll get back to him after asking you whether there's still a slot available.
>
> Moreover, we could also use Staf's FlexCell stdcell generator to generate 3.3V cells. https://gitlab.com/Chips4Makers/c4m-flexcell
>
> Tholins cells are great, but this would give us a larger set of stdcells that we could even take to a different process. Tamas did not use them for the TT test shuttle only because he couldn't get them working with LibreLane in time for the tapeout. But it's just a matter of figuring out how to configure LibreLane with these stdcells.
>
> The only missing part then is the separation of the 5V and 3.3V voltage domains in the padring. There's a clever workaround using breaker cells that Tamas has already used. The proper way would be to create new power/ground pad cells based on the existing ones.
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## message-1417264705092849714
**2025-09-15T21:43:57.199+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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His stuff is also listed at https://bit.ly/ws-gf180mcu-stdcells
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## message-1417266607687729243
**2025-09-15T21:51:30.813+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : I have already declared my intent to work on the dual voltage I/O library problem.
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## message-1417272220207808664
**2025-09-15T22:13:48.942+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tim Edwards - Great! Just trying to make sure everyone knows about things.
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## message-1417405286049648670
**2025-09-16T07:02:34.311+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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@Tholin Thanks for working on your design so we can include it in the test tapeout. Just to be clear, this is not a real tapeout, but rather a way for us to get feedback from GF about the design of the reticle, the sealring, if the fill matches density also on their side etc. The more real world design we have on there, the better. We should probably call it a virtual tapeout :)
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## message-1417405548344643594
**2025-09-16T07:03:36.847+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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@Tim Edwards Great! From what I understand we need two copies of the power and ground cells each, where one is for the core domain and one for the I/O domain. It would be really helpful if you could take a look at this 👏
For now, Tamas used a nice trick to get separate power domains using custom breaker cells, see: https://github.com/TinyTapeout/tinytapeout-gf-0p1/blob/main/docs/padframe.svg
However, if we have proper power/ground cells for both domains then we wouldn't have to resort to such tricks.
If you have a PR ready just ping me and I can give it a try. We need to make sure that the pin shape for the bondpad comes first in the LEF, so that OpenROAD will promote the correct pin to a BTerm. See this commit: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/commit/eb701885d4fc3aff546c974df1b3e7bcce6bd3c7
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## message-1417407052812390411
**2025-09-16T07:09:35.54+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, we would like to get Staf's FlexCell stdcells into the PDK, as well as his SRAMs.
Since both are generated, there's no repository at the moment that hosts the cells afaik. It would probably make sense for wafer.space to host repositories for both, which we keep up to date that you can then incorporate into open_pdks (unless Staf wants to host them himself).
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## message-1417490609224024185
**2025-09-16T12:41:36.941+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I made a better DFF to fit into the 7-track 5V SCL. Its slightly wider and has some met2 obstructions, but is significantly faster than the DFFs that ship with the SCL.
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## message-1417490621211349094
**2025-09-16T12:41:39.799+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1417490925520818216
**2025-09-16T12:42:52.352+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Seeing clock period improvements of up to several ns using this.
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## message-1417526879866458203
**2025-09-16T15:05:44.536+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Where can I grab this to incorporate it into the existing standard cells?
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## message-1417527220934672475
**2025-09-16T15:07:05.853+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1417527220934672475`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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This is a digital standard cell layout made with Tholin's 3.3V standard cells, installed into the PDK with open_pdks and run through librelane. It was almost ludicrously easy.
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## message-1417527335795687594
**2025-09-16T15:07:33.238+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Oh good, I expected it to completely break with librelane without major config changes.
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## message-1417527758598443150
**2025-09-16T15:09:14.042+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Set `SYNTH_STRATEGY: DELAY 4` if you wanna push it to its limits.
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## message-1417527983811596359
**2025-09-16T15:10:07.737+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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It was almost perfect out-of-the-box. All I was missing was the "drc_exclude.cells" file, and I had to add a "touch" command to the installer to force it to be created.
I'll give "SYNTH_STRATEGY: DELAY 4" a try. This was really just a proof-of-concept test, though.
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## message-1417529252491956286
**2025-09-16T15:15:10.214+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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"SYNTH_STRATEGY: DELAY 4" apparently worked (?). I'm not sure how to prove that it did. Anyway, at this point it's more productive for me to be pushing my commit to open_pdks.
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## message-1417530097115725854
**2025-09-16T15:18:31.588+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That option makes it optimize for pure speed! Should be able to push the clock period real low now.
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## message-1417536306996842527
**2025-09-16T15:43:12.139+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I committed a blank drc_exclude.cells file into the SCL’s repo
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## message-1417536323509682337
**2025-09-16T15:43:16.076+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1417536323509682337`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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So that should be taken care of now
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## message-1417540754129031311
**2025-09-16T16:00:52.418+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/gf180mcu_extra_cells
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## message-1417540760462426204
**2025-09-16T16:00:53.928+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1417540760462426204`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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Its in here
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## message-1417540825088262286
**2025-09-16T16:01:09.336+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1417540825088262286`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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gf180mcu_extra__dfxtp_2
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## message-1417560205222477877
**2025-09-16T17:18:09.92+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1417560205222477877`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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Should I merge this directly into the `gf180mcu_fd_sc__` repository, or should I try to incorporate it as an extension (like I did with the "sky130_ef_sc" cells), in which case I would prefer a more targeted library name, like `gf180mcu_as_sc_9t5v0`?
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## message-1417562450664100012
**2025-09-16T17:27:05.275+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1417562450664100012`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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It should be an extension
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## message-1417562505135390863
**2025-09-16T17:27:18.262+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1417562505135390863`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I mean, that's why I called it "extra cells"
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## message-1417562898858774699
**2025-09-16T17:28:52.133+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1417562898858774699`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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The DFF I made is meant to be a full replacement for the one in the fd_sc_7t5v0, though, and you have the exclude the whole wildcard of `gf180mcu_fd_sc_7t5v0__dff*` from synthesis.
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## message-1417605637814091859
**2025-09-16T20:18:41.894+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1417605637814091859`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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I think a `gf180mcu_as_sc_9t5v0` makes the most sense?
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## message-1417607590124195971
**2025-09-16T20:26:27.361+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1417607590124195971`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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7t
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## message-1417607605127352396
**2025-09-16T20:26:30.938+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1417607605127352396`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Its still 7-track
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## message-1417607687054823505
**2025-09-16T20:26:50.471+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1417607687054823505`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I'm also reserving that name for if/when I make a full 5V custom SCL
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## message-1417607744202084474
**2025-09-16T20:27:04.096+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1417607744202084474`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Addons to the existing SCLs should have a separate naming convention.
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## message-1417608974974451802
**2025-09-16T20:31:57.535+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1417608974974451802`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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I would say that everything under `gf180mcu_as_XXXX` would be your name space.
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## message-1417610756316463184
**2025-09-16T20:39:02.24+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1417610756316463184`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I'll probably be re-naming this to `gf180mcu_as_extra`, then. Its intended to mostly only contain non-synthesizable special cells anyways, that you have to instantiate explicitly (i.e. transmission gates).
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## message-1417612026158776330
**2025-09-16T20:44:04.994+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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SGTM!
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## message-1417618673128177694
**2025-09-16T21:10:29.755+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1417618673128177694`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
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Hi all, I've made a start getting TinyQV building on gf180 - shamelessly stole the build script from tinytapeout-gf-0p1. Result is here https://github.com/MichaelBell/gf180mcu-tinyQV
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## message-1417618980117418004
**2025-09-16T21:11:42.947+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1417618980117418004`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
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- Edited: 2025-09-16T21:12:22.239+00:00
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Fits in 600x600um with 25um padding. It's quite slow though, it wouldn't build with a 50MHz clock so I used 40MHz. Whereas it manages over 70 on sky130, is that expected?
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## message-1417619267549003826
**2025-09-16T21:12:51.476+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I've gotten pretty good at squeezing performance out of gf180 flows. Let me try.
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## message-1417619455164289134
**2025-09-16T21:13:36.207+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1417619455164289134`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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What is tinyQV again?
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## message-1417619557777932369
**2025-09-16T21:14:00.672+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
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Sure - though this is just me mucking about for now! Don't have any particular goal yet.
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## message-1417619778993917952
**2025-09-16T21:14:53.414+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1417619778993917952`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
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- User name: rebelmike
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TinyQV is my quad bit serial Risc-V CPU. Tim was looking for a small Risc-V CPU and we thought it might be a good fit
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## message-1417620118401450145
**2025-09-16T21:16:14.335+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1417620118401450145`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
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Its latest outing was on the ttsky25a Risc-V peripheral competition - those versions are huge with loads of peripherals connected. But this version is just the "standard" one
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## message-1417620481422528512
**2025-09-16T21:17:40.886+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1417620481422528512`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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I...uhhh....I’ve never seen this happen before
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## message-1417620971908628583
**2025-09-16T21:19:37.827+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1417620971908628583`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1417620971908628583
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There is some stuff about Mike's TinyQV in my doc @ https://bit.ly/ws-tiny-riscv-proof
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## message-1417621322262909050
**2025-09-16T21:21:01.358+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1417621322262909050`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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@RebelMike I would expect gf180 to be slower than sky130 yes, no doubt about it. With tweaking and optimizing, you could maybe get gf180 to match a "default run" of sky130 but if you put the same effort tweaking and optimizing, I'd expect sky130 to win speed wise.
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## message-1417621473811497093
**2025-09-16T21:21:37.49+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1417621473811497093`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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@RebelMike - Looks like you are using a bunch of flip flops for the register file? https://github.com/MichaelBell/gf180mcu-tinyQV/blob/main/src/latch_mem.v ?
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## message-1417621583840940094
**2025-09-16T21:22:03.723+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1417621583840940094`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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Or is that main memory?
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## message-1417621700178084012
**2025-09-16T21:22:31.46+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1417621700178084012`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
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That is some scratch memory - though not actually included in that build above.
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## message-1417621904428236861
**2025-09-16T21:23:20.157+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1417621904428236861`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
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Registers are just flip flops - they're in https://github.com/MichaelBell/tinyQV/blob/gf180mcu/cpu/register.v
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## message-1417622847613833320
**2025-09-16T21:27:05.03+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1417622847613833320`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-09-16T21:27:35.116+00:00
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Would probably want to tweak the way this works a bit - all of the registers rotate constantly (idea came from https://github.com/Wren6991/tt02-whisk-serial-processor), but using a clock gate or plain enable in logic so only the registers being accessed are rotated would probably be preferable.
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## message-1417624945302704260
**2025-09-16T21:35:25.158+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1417624945302704260`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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**Content**
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@RebelMike - how does that build compare in size to the minimax example @Xobs did a long time ago pictured the doc @ https://bit.ly/ws-tiny-riscv-proof ?
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## message-1417626055111610460
**2025-09-16T21:39:49.757+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1417626055111610460`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
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Is that https://github.com/gsmecher/minimax ? I hadn't come across that before.
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## message-1417627616164188231
**2025-09-16T21:46:01.941+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Eyeballing that it looks like the area is around 200x400? But then there's the large register file. TinyQV takes the approach of supporting RV32EC with the absolute minimum number of writable registers to allow normal C code to work (just 13, as gp and tp can be hardwired without breaking the C ABI).
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## message-1417630294781202512
**2025-09-16T21:56:40.573+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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TinyQV also supports interrupts and basic CSRs. I've also included UART, SPI and PWM peripherals in that build. I guess we would need to decide what should be included given the goal of demoing a "custom Risc-V chip". Maybe including one of the peripherals from the TT competition would make sense to show that custom design concept. Probably reducing the number of general purpose IOs makes sense as I imagine the pad space is going to be a limiting factor.
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## message-1417630832620998717
**2025-09-16T21:58:48.804+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@RebelMike - Yeah, I think that was the minimax CPU that @Xobs used.
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## message-1417631517907353734
**2025-09-16T22:01:32.189+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@RebelMike - I think 600um x 600um is only a bit bigger than the largest SRAM block size?
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## message-1417632950350250036
**2025-09-16T22:07:13.71+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@RebelMike - Seems like you could fit somewhere like ~40ish copies on a single wafer.space slot?
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## message-1417633982195044394
**2025-09-16T22:11:19.721+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Sounds plausible - the 600x600 was just my initial guess, though I did have to work a little to make the build pass I'm sure it could go a bit smaller (but then we'd probably decide we wanted to include more things anyway). Taking a peak at @urish's setup for Tiny Tapeout on gf180, 2x2 tiles is 711.20x325.36 - so if that's roughly equivalent to 2x2 tiles on sky130 it should be possible to squeeze it into that area.
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## message-1417634497293193317
**2025-09-16T22:13:22.53+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Hmm, actually that is quite a lot smaller so that might be a challenge.
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## message-1417635134781395004
**2025-09-16T22:15:54.519+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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>40 is much bigger than >20 that doc was potentially thinking about.
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## message-1417636544889487511
**2025-09-16T22:21:30.715+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I had some data about Tiny Tapeout tile sizes and capacities in the spreadsheet @ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hgfRhANt3jyG4w0tgVumoxdqkyLpXQksTHPXk9g4_NM/edit?gid=924741324#gid=924741324 -- That was from quite a long time ago, so don't know if it matches / got updated with the latest configs.
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## message-1417636803883700457
**2025-09-16T22:22:32.464+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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That does assume no (or maybe minimal) on chip cache/RAM. Performance is therefore not amazing.
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## message-1417637169157378058
**2025-09-16T22:23:59.552+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Well, you might be able to add a 512 bytes SRAM to your config and still fit 20 versions....
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## message-1417637173330448405
**2025-09-16T22:24:00.547+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Big unknown for me is pad size. Looks like the TT test chip is using 355x75 with 20.3 spacing. That could mean pads are a larger area than the CPU
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## message-1417638587184316436
**2025-09-16T22:29:37.636+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@RebelMike - I think the first subdivision configuration is probably just going to be 1/2 or 1/4, so you'll have plenty of space.
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## message-1417665802517348436
**2025-09-17T00:17:46.277+00:00 — Xobs (@xobs)**
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Yeah, one of the downsides to the minimax was that you need two copies of the register file so it could bank everything in case of an unhandled instruction.
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## message-1417779289503563847
**2025-09-17T07:48:43.683+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Makes sense on FPGA, but expensive on asic.
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## message-1417969090810745019
**2025-09-17T20:22:55.841+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Some thoughts on size for meeting the eventual goal, and approach to getting TinyQV into a suitable state to enable that, here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-JBqH7T6T0cKGpoZkjNh42dn7F8hudmymY-CGiME2c/edit?usp=sharing
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## message-1418352815952105583
**2025-09-18T21:47:43.044+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Yeah, minmax was targeting FPGAs where blockram is pretty cheap
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## message-1418355572067008562
**2025-09-18T21:58:40.153+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I updated the wafer-space GitHub organization at with a little more content https://github.com/wafer-space
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## message-1418451834665963671
**2025-09-19T04:21:10.945+00:00 — urish**
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Looks good
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## message-1418451896980733973
**2025-09-19T04:21:25.802+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Slowly updating the website - https://preview.wafer.space/pr-44/
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## message-1418464213629931600
**2025-09-19T05:10:22.32+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1418464213629931600`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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I also did an interview today with Chris Gammell for the Amp Hour, challenged him to do a Tiny Tapeout before the next time I'm on his podcast 🙂 - I believe it should be live late next week sometime.
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## message-1418469978096537609
**2025-09-19T05:33:16.676+00:00 — urish**
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Nice countdowns!
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## message-1418523906934833292
**2025-09-19T09:07:34.313+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I'm glad to announce the wafer.space template! https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template
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## message-1418523945442873435
**2025-09-19T09:07:43.494+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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The template is a work in progress, so further changes are to be expected.
There is an issue with resizing in OpenROAD because the I/O library specifies a fanout of 1, therefore we have to wait for a fix to re-enable resizing.
However, your design may not be affected. Just enable resizing in the config file and see for yourself.
Filler generation may change in the future, however it should already be possible to meet the target densities.
DRC with magic is currently failing. There are some unknown layer/datatypes, and we need to either fix the DRC errors in the I/O cells or exclude them during DRC.
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## message-1418523997766680597
**2025-09-19T09:07:55.969+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Despite these issues you can already use it to implement your design. Please give it a try and let me know how it goes!
I've also added a wrapper around the dvdd/dvss pads to allow them to be placed in the eastern and western rows of the padring.
For now feel free to change the padring as you like.
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## message-1418524130109816902
**2025-09-19T09:08:27.522+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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As a next step, I would need the final pad positions for the padring from Tiny Tapeout ( @tnt ). These positions will be the same for all wafer.space customers (if they opt for packaging). It is possible to change I/O types such as input/output/bidir, but the power/ground pads should stay the same, as they will be bonded to power/ground rings in the case of CoB and to the ground pad in the case of QFN.
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## message-1418526973558259845
**2025-09-19T09:19:45.453+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) Drafting something now ...
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## message-1418527118387843082
**2025-09-19T09:20:19.983+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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This is pretty exciting! How many pads are you going for?
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## message-1418527431865929850
**2025-09-19T09:21:34.722+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Fantastic, Tim! Can’t wait to hear it, and I hope he does do a submission! I was thinking Dave Jones should do one too.
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## message-1418528188623093902
**2025-09-19T09:24:35.147+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Well for TT the target when packaged is QFN64. What I'm drafting now will have 74 bond pads since 10 of those will be GND and will only go to the EPAD. 6 will be power so that leaves 58 "user" connections.
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## message-1418528696532471818
**2025-09-19T09:26:36.242+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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What I’m drafting is just a copy of the caravel pad-out, but the SPI flash pins become extra user GPIO.
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## message-1418528871317508106
**2025-09-19T09:27:17.914+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Since I’m targeting a DIP-40 footprint, that is sufficient IO.
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## message-1418529302059679794
**2025-09-19T09:29:00.611+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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@Tholin Yes, but you'll have to map this to the Tiny Tapeout padring before your final submission if you want packaging. Some of your unused pads could be used for debugging functionality.
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## message-1418530241428852746
**2025-09-19T09:32:44.574+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Of course if you just want raw dies and handle all packaging yourself, you do whatever you please.
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**2025-09-19T09:33:10.731+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Absolutely.
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## message-1418531071926075495
**2025-09-19T09:36:02.58+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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This sounds pretty cool. Just that bit more flexibility than OpenFrame
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## message-1418532145491873913
**2025-09-19T09:40:18.538+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m probably going to have to do packaging myself if I want to bond to DIP PCB carriers
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## message-1418532970918187029
**2025-09-19T09:43:35.335+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I think there was a discussion about providing your own PCBs (with the same CoB footprint?) somewhere. @Tim 'mithro' Ansell will know.
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## message-1418533921305399336
**2025-09-19T09:47:21.925+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The PCBs may also have project-specific components on them
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## message-1418533980986277919
**2025-09-19T09:47:36.154+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Or it may not even be DIP-40, but something smaller, like DIP-28 (the wide one)
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## message-1418534138050510950
**2025-09-19T09:48:13.601+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Or some pins need to be bonded differently
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## message-1418534193440227328
**2025-09-19T09:48:26.807+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So there is no one size fits all PCB layout for me. This is the downside of making a multi-project die.
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## message-1418534287761870928
**2025-09-19T09:48:49.295+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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And why I am desperately trying to hunt down a wire bonder for myself.
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## message-1418537109127430216
**2025-09-19T10:00:01.961+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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That's why a carrier board (like on Tiny Tapeout) is a good idea. But if that doesn't work for you, you'll have to go the manual route.
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## message-1418538509693747211
**2025-09-19T10:05:35.882+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m pretty space constrained by having to fit the dimensions of those DIP footprints
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## message-1418540236148838461
**2025-09-19T10:12:27.501+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sZCpz6yy-bHGaV2BVG4IZOLBWn--WIddM9pkCQm_Vyc/edit?usp=sharing
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## message-1418668475790000296
**2025-09-19T18:42:02.214+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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**2025-09-19T18:52:16.963+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Seems like everyone has been quite busy while I've been sleeping!
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## message-1418743974394335303
**2025-09-19T23:42:02.484+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) Is https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/blob/main/config.yaml#L165 correct? I think it should either be 25 more, to account for the seal ring on both sides, or exactly 5070x3880 if seal ring is added externally.
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## message-1418865924039114802
**2025-09-20T07:46:37.545+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Good catch! I tested the reticle stitcher with my GF-MPW1 project, where I added the sealring externally. I've now updated the project template.
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## message-1419055039384649811
**2025-09-20T20:18:06.157+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@urish / @Matt Venn - After I get the website updated with the campaign content, I would like to get Tiny Tapeout collaboration information up on the websites.
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## message-1419069219747790908
**2025-09-20T21:14:27.019+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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Fyi I'm travelling next week for austrochip
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## message-1419156496993747005
**2025-09-21T03:01:15.536+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The website @ https://wafer.space has now been updated quite a bit, nothing new compared to the campaign page.
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**2025-09-21T04:09:55.953+00:00 — urish**
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## message-1419342801732239360
**2025-09-21T15:21:34.047+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So, if I followed the conversation about tiny RISC-V cores on GF180 so far, the biggest constraint so far appears to be the size of the register file, which actually becomes larger than the CPU core itself at some point.
Has it been considered yet that the registers can be moved into RAM? Reserve 32 words of RAM to hold the register values.
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## message-1419404965390319641
**2025-09-21T19:28:35.018+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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## message-1419708610153549874
**2025-09-22T15:35:09.571+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I just updated the project template to limit the sealring generator to Metal5 and add `MAGIC_GDS_FLATGLOB` to the LibreLane config.
The remaining issues during DRC are because of some missing layer definitions, duplicate cell entries, and overlapping cuts (which is annoying to fix as per Tim 😅).
You can update your local copy py simply pulling the latest changes and running `make clone-pdk` again.
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## message-1420098185921171658
**2025-09-23T17:23:11.672+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) - Should that fix https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/issues/1 ?
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## message-1420107605690417203
**2025-09-23T18:00:37.52+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Streamout should already work, it may be that the template was in a weird state. Can you pull the latest changes and clone the PDK again?
I've also now subscribed to the repo so I get notifications for the issues. Let's continue on GitHub if you get the same issue again.
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## message-1420118095325827103
**2025-09-23T18:42:18.444+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Just tried again, got the same error I think.....
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## message-1420336064307925057
**2025-09-24T09:08:26.299+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Replied to your issue with a solution.
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## message-1420421157990957106
**2025-09-24T14:46:34.214+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Not sure you actually replied with a solution but I'm testing what I think you meant 🙂
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## message-1420714993858641951
**2025-09-25T10:14:10.144+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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Nice amp hour interview @Tim 'mithro' Ansell !
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## message-1420717885621272591
**2025-09-25T10:25:39.594+00:00 — urish**
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## message-1420725655028629554
**2025-09-25T10:56:31.965+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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https://theamphour.com/703-building-wafer-space-with-tim-ansell/
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## message-1420920491551621231
**2025-09-25T23:50:44.612+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tholin : Would `lctime` be able to create timing files for an I/O library?
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## message-1420920637194768556
**2025-09-25T23:51:19.336+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Probably not
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## message-1420947186182525000
**2025-09-26T01:36:49.108+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'll also be on Teardown Sessions next week on the 3 Oct 2025 @ 2:00pm Chicago (other regions https://bit.ly/teardown-session-waferspace-1) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEOmnN8IAjs
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## message-1421047808055836725
**2025-09-26T08:16:39.232+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**
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## message-1421067759126708265
**2025-09-26T09:35:55.938+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Great Amp Hour interview @Tim 'mithro' Ansell 🙂 I feel like hassling Chris to get serious about doing a TT submission
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## message-1421123874791227432
**2025-09-26T13:18:54.955+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Do it 🙂
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## message-1421127784776077453
**2025-09-26T13:34:27.168+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
- Message ID: `1421127784776077453`
- Author ID: `492702620759228416`
- Nickname: Matt Venn
- User name: mattvenn
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I'll try as well
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## message-1421592217910378566
**2025-09-27T20:19:56.656+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1421592217910378566`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1421592217910378566
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**Content**
```text
In about 30 minutes I'll be taking the virtual stage to hold a presentation entitled "How NOT to design an integrated circuit", the synposis for which is `From low-level programming to now making her own integrated circuits, Tholin is a seasoned member of the Open-Source-Silicon community. Tholin has a record-breaking 8 tapeouts under her belt. In this presentation, we'll gloss over all the successes and present all the failures and mistakes that were made over those tapeouts to learn what to avoid and not to do when taking on such ambitious projects.`
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## message-1421592239859306546
**2025-09-27T20:20:01.889+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1421592239859306546`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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I'll be recording the whole thing
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## message-1421689659628458107
**2025-09-28T02:47:08.572+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1421689659628458107`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1421689659628458107
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**Content**
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I made my own recording that has better audio from my mic. Threw it up on my fileserver for now. Like 75% of the presentation is about my experiences with GFMPW-0/1.
https://files.tholin.dev/Public/Videos/dgt_2025_09_27.mp4
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## message-1421957821892792410
**2025-09-28T20:32:43.438+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1421957821892792410`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Tholin - Cool, I'll give it a watch later today.
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## message-1422036842697588819
**2025-09-29T01:46:43.466+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1422036842697588819`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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@Tholin - Great presentation! It's awesome that you didn't give up after the first few problems. It also looked like you managed to have some type of work arounds for a lot of issues?
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## message-1422127329626292295
**2025-09-29T07:46:17.231+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1422127329626292295`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I am incredibly persistent
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## message-1422127356511785123
**2025-09-29T07:46:23.641+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1422127356511785123`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I worked around most problems.
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## message-1422250236872622292
**2025-09-29T15:54:40.602+00:00 — h_thoreson (@h_thoreson_71412)**
- Message ID: `1422250236872622292`
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I have work so it will take me a bit to get through but watching around other meetings and obligations
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## message-1422251215298760786
**2025-09-29T15:58:33.877+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1422251215298760786`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Tholin - I would love to hear the gritty details about how exactly you worked around all the various problems. There is a pretty strong history of people in "our" community getting things working that industry have declared impossible (Another example of @tnt managing to the very early MPW chips going) and I would like to keep driving that home.
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## message-1422287147875962960
**2025-09-29T18:21:20.871+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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**Content**
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Well, firstly, figuring out what is even going wrong and why is the hard part.
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## message-1422287373319803022
**2025-09-29T18:22:14.621+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Only then can you look at what you have and see if you can't nudge things in the right direction again.
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## message-1422288064243564666
**2025-09-29T18:24:59.35+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I'm always very happy when I can fix things in software.
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## message-1422288714691772556
**2025-09-29T18:27:34.429+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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For the AS-11, it just needed a custom assembler frontend to handle the differences in bytecode from the PDP-11/40.
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## message-1422288793435766856
**2025-09-29T18:27:53.203+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I say "just" as in, it was a logically simple solution, but took a while to actually implement.
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## message-1422289155056074782
**2025-09-29T18:29:19.42+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The VLIW icache actually works under certain conditions. The fetches only fail if the icache contains any instruction packs that have breaks set. So break-free code can be cached safely. So all the software I've written for VLIW, I turn the icache on for loops where its safe and then back off, which still boosts performance decently.
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## message-1422289541984682074
**2025-09-29T18:30:51.671+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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QCPU is the most exciting story from a hardware perspective, AS2650-1 from a software perspective.
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## message-1422301633647476841
**2025-09-29T19:18:54.548+00:00 — h_thoreson (@h_thoreson_71412)**
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This is really interesting. It kind of answered one of the lingering questions I've had about how people are using TT to do more sophisticated designs - there's an existing testing framework somewhere?
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## message-1422340135508508674
**2025-09-29T21:51:54.107+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@h_thoreson - @Tim Edwards was also telling me about his usage of an Arty A7 FPGA board I sent him for some TT and GF180MCU testing.
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## message-1422340710752850042
**2025-09-29T21:54:11.256+00:00 — h_thoreson (@h_thoreson_71412)**
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Interesting - I have one of those but I haven't used it in ages. Hopefully it still works 😅
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## message-1422396509240168670
**2025-09-30T01:35:54.652+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I've merge the Design Help page into the wafer.space website, so https://wafer.space/design-help.html now exists.
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## message-1422398003964153916
**2025-09-30T01:41:51.022+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - If you want Avalon Semiconductors listed there, 100% happy to add it.
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## message-1422430365934555146
**2025-09-30T03:50:26.717+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1422458489510563892
**2025-09-30T05:42:11.9+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) and myself will be on Crowd Supply's Teardown Session talking with Helen about wafer.space this Thursday (2nd October) - http://youtu.be/tEOmnN8IAjs
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## message-1422488712578596926
**2025-09-30T07:42:17.641+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Not yet, unless you want to list my GFMPW-1 submissions as example projects (which you totally can). I am more interested in contributing to writing that Documentation mentioned towards the bottom of the page.
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## message-1422555130955300936
**2025-09-30T12:06:13.016+00:00 — Vipul (@vipul.sh)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell Are there any reference materials or guides available for using GF180 PDK with open-source EDA tools especially for analog design ? Compared to SKY130, there appears to be lack of such publicly accessible resources for GF180.
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## message-1422555239202164838
**2025-09-30T12:06:38.824+00:00 — Vipul (@vipul.sh)**
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Any suggestions how to start exploring designs with GF180?
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## message-1422555878749503508
**2025-09-30T12:09:11.304+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its been a while since I went in-depth with sky130 - what resources for sky130 are you referring to?
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## message-1422558913798078596
**2025-09-30T12:21:14.916+00:00 — Vipul (@vipul.sh)**
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By resources, I am referring to youtube tutorials or publicly available reference flows on platforms like github that can help newcomers get started with a specific PDK (GF180 in this case) and its integration into analog design tools such as xschem, ngspice, magic, netgen.
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## message-1422559206136873001
**2025-09-30T12:22:24.615+00:00 — Vipul (@vipul.sh)**
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Analog design using open-source tools is far less streamlined than RTL-to-GDS flow available for digital design with Openlane.
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## message-1422559702474031255
**2025-09-30T12:24:22.951+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Ah, analog design guides for gf180 was something that I was missing. I’ve since figured it out on my own, but it took a bit.
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## message-1422634612433092741
**2025-09-30T17:22:02.877+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Welcome @Vipul - You are correct that GF180MCU resources are a lot more limited than SKY130. We only had 2 free MPW runs for GF180MCU compared to the 8 for SKY130 and until wafer.space there was no easy way to pay to get access to GF180MCU manufacturing (unlike SKY130 which had chipIgnite).
Hopefully you can help change that now that GF180MCU is more available.
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## message-1422634964058505246
**2025-09-30T17:23:26.711+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I believe the IEEE SCSS Chipathon has a bunch of resources but I can never find the right link to use
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## message-1422635006106276062
**2025-09-30T17:23:36.736+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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https://sscs.ieee.org/technical-committees/tc-ose/sscs-pico-design-contest/
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## message-1422635262042968076
**2025-09-30T17:24:37.756+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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And/or https://github.com/sscs-ose/sscs-chipathon-2025 ?
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## message-1422637084786819159
**2025-09-30T17:31:52.332+00:00 — Vipul (@vipul.sh)**
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Sure @Tim 'mithro' Ansell I will try to work on establishing custom analog design flow with as suggested by @Leo Moser (mole99) and put my queries here wherever I get stuck. Hopefully this will help to streamline the flow with open source analog tools for gf180.
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## message-1422637862549061672
**2025-09-30T17:34:57.765+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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All help is welcome! There are also multiple different ways to do things, so having people give it a go is important.
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## message-1422638389156380775
**2025-09-30T17:37:03.318+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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lol - Since launching wafer.space, I'm now getting spam for high-purity fused silica quartz boats to my info email address!
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## message-1423021341375856722
**2025-10-01T18:58:46.242+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) - I think I made you a mod which should allow you to create channels.
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## message-1423314492644917472
**2025-10-02T14:23:38.951+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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This live stream starts in a few hours!
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## message-1423316631857270995
**2025-10-02T14:32:08.979+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Oh ... in the message it said 3rd october so I noted it for tomorrow 😅
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## message-1423316740481351783
**2025-10-02T14:32:34.877+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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(I know it also said Thursday so I should have noted the discrepency but I didn't)
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## message-1423319892266061955
**2025-10-02T14:45:06.321+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yeah, there was a mix-up 😅
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## message-1423321523351191653
**2025-10-02T14:51:35.202+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Yes, it appears I can not work a calendar 😛
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## message-1423349242268880999
**2025-10-02T16:41:43.907+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1423349244139667620
**2025-10-02T16:41:44.353+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Check out the update to the template!
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## message-1423365048536928297
**2025-10-02T17:44:32.415+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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Glad it's not just me!
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## message-1423368784915333191
**2025-10-02T17:59:23.237+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I even double checked the date.
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## message-1423383847747322019
**2025-10-02T18:59:14.496+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Just about to go live now @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEOmnN8IAjs
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## message-1423408839310708842
**2025-10-02T20:38:32.949+00:00 — urish**
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## message-1423428098170425385
**2025-10-02T21:55:04.619+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Please reshare https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7379634646847979520/
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## message-1423432571169149051
**2025-10-02T22:12:51.065+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Appreciate upvotes on hackernews - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45456229
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## message-1423436537994940456
**2025-10-02T22:28:36.83+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1423437109150224394
**2025-10-02T22:30:53.004+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1423437109150224394`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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I'd appreciate upvotes if you are part of the reddit communities in the thread https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1423436537994940456
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## message-1423533125790597131
**2025-10-03T04:52:25.155+00:00 — HardWall (@hardwall)**
- Message ID: `1423533125790597131`
- Author ID: `600324974296956938`
- Nickname: HardWall
- User name: hardwall
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-10-03T04:52:50.184+00:00
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Great live session yesterday.
I was looking at what fits in the size / node you have , and I saw this paper.
https://sbmicro.org.br/sforum-eventos/sforum2021/Design%20of%20Steel%20ASIC,%20a%20RISC-V%20processor.pdf
They say they used 15mm2 for the STEEL core at 180nm.
Not a silicon guy, the nosey embedded SW eng from the live stream here. So excuse my naivete.
Anyways that looks quite large ish? Is it true that you need that much die area for a simple RISC-V core? Using Claude to get ballpark estimates, I was wondering if I can fit an IBEX in the area you have and the IBEX is larger than the STEEL.
Can I eyeball what fits with some gates/mm2 formula?
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## message-1423534343531266111
**2025-10-03T04:57:15.487+00:00 — urish**
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IIRC tim mentioned about 1.2m gates in the wafer space area
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## message-1423584991027265566
**2025-10-03T08:18:30.791+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
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You can see from the image in that paper that the logic is only using a small fraction of the area. IBEX would fit easily.
For a chip focused on reasonable performance, most of the area would likely be taken up with SRAM for memory and cache.
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## message-1423588577966817360
**2025-10-03T08:32:45.984+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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It'll be interesting to see how the campaign progresses. I would actually expect it to stay very low until the very end:
* There is no mentions of any limited space / number of slots on the campaign page
* There is no incentives for early birds
* Unlike other crowdsupply campaign, the user is actually expected to do something, so I would expect most of them to hold off paying until they actually got something to submit, especially given the two items above, there is no benefit to buying early, only risks if you can't finish what you want to do in time.
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## message-1423594512483352597
**2025-10-03T08:56:20.883+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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All good points @Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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## message-1423617179131314210
**2025-10-03T10:26:25.033+00:00 — HardWall (@hardwall)**
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I noticed that as well, but I wasn't sure what die size that was.
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## message-1423622964368380015
**2025-10-03T10:49:24.341+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1423622964368380015`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
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I think what I would do, if I was trying to create a custom Risc-V for wafer space would be:
- 8kB internal RAM
- QSPI flash chip and QSPI PSRAM chip on separate interfaces
- 4kB cache for each of the PSRAM and flash
- Hazard3 Risc-V core in a similar config to RP2350, but single core
That should leave a decent amount of space (maybe 1/3 of the area) for peripherals and custom logic, but enough cache and RAM to give OK performance. I'd target 3v3 so that it was easy to interface with standard QSPI chips, and hope to get it running at 30MHz.
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## message-1423654762020212829
**2025-10-03T12:55:45.492+00:00 — HardWall (@hardwall)**
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You can't have flash on chip, can you?
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## message-1423656196258136096
**2025-10-03T13:01:27.441+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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## message-1423693459675549927
**2025-10-03T15:29:31.732+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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There was one attempt at flash on gf180mcu mpw-0 but it was never tested.
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## message-1423698123422826556
**2025-10-03T15:48:03.656+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell How ? There are no such device in the PDK ? I saw some floating gate experiment on sky130 that doesn't use sonos, but that was pretty big AFAIR.
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## message-1423699574761066659
**2025-10-03T15:53:49.682+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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(That's the paper for what I'm talking about in sky130 https://woset-workshop.github.io/PDFs/2021/a11.pdf )
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**2025-10-03T16:13:39.589+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1423708711846678633
**2025-10-03T16:30:08.133+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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No idea if that is viable or not and as I said it was never tested due to them needing bare die and only getting packaged (and then getting busy with other stuff).
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## message-1423710506094428210
**2025-10-03T16:37:15.915+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Seems to be a similar approach to what was on sky130, just leave some poly floating connected to several transistors and some of them are used for reading and other for tunneling charge in/out of the gate. But of course the devil is in the detail so that cell could work or not ...
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## message-1423712367916875817
**2025-10-03T16:44:39.808+00:00 — HardWall (@hardwall)**
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Hah, could work or not.. precisely what you don't want to hear about your memory. Not a big problem I think, but I was just curious about the constraint. It would probably use quite a bit of the die anyway,.
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## message-1423712813976653966
**2025-10-03T16:46:26.157+00:00 — HardWall (@hardwall)**
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I'm wondering why you recommend the hazard3 instead of the Ibex. I was under the impression ibex is better tested.
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## message-1423713123163963505
**2025-10-03T16:47:39.873+00:00 — HardWall (@hardwall)**
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Hazard3 is actually in commercial products though, so I guess that's worth for something.
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## message-1423713242508693655
**2025-10-03T16:48:08.327+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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yes, flash is huge and probably a good waste of real estate ... the cells are not small and then you need a ton of periphery circuitry to drive it ( to generate all the high bias voltages and switch them around for instance ).
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## message-1423714555535818863
**2025-10-03T16:53:21.377+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Ibex looks like it would be a good choice too, but personally I think it would be cool to use the same core that’s in the RP2350.
Mainly I was trying to give an example of the kind of system that would make sense.
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## message-1423714775879389285
**2025-10-03T16:54:13.911+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Why not both! 😛
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## message-1423715100031844434
**2025-10-03T16:55:31.195+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1423789285886132234
**2025-10-03T21:50:18.481+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@tnt : Workable nonvolatile memory would still be very useful for setting some number of configuration bits that can be read at startup. It doesn't have to be a kilobyte memory block to be useful.
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## message-1423790344197116136
**2025-10-03T21:54:30.802+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Efabless got the Hazard-3 core to tapeout on Sky130 on the "Frigate" chip, but unfortunately it never got through manufacture. I would like to revive the Frigate architecture; didn't have time to do it for the Cadence tapeout, and don't have the analog IP for the GF180MCU tapeout. I'm considering a Chipalooza-like contest to get analog IP for GF180MCU, with the general goal of having something like Frigate on the process.
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## message-1423792711059771442
**2025-10-03T22:03:55.106+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tim Edwards - Have you seen the OpenFASoC design done on MPW18H1? https://siliconpr0n.org/archive/doku.php?id=mcmaster:efabless:gf180mcu-mpw18h1-18100004
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## message-1423794104118153246
**2025-10-03T22:09:27.237+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I did also send Luke Wren an email about Hazard-3 core on GF180MCU and he was talking about the launch @ https://types.pl/@wren6991/115267726230458487
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## message-1423794345554743326
**2025-10-03T22:10:24.8+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Also did you see the efuse stuff - http://bit.ly/ws-gf180mcu-efuses ? They could be used for configuration bits too.
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## message-1423796786413310035
**2025-10-03T22:20:06.746+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell This set of process options includes efuses? I have done eFuse arrays in the past (when I was working at MutiGiG).
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## message-1423797221840912505
**2025-10-03T22:21:50.56+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tim Edwards - ***If*** I understand correctly, we do **not** have the foundry provided efuses stuff which uses an extra mask layer. This done was done without needing that in some way?
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**2025-10-03T22:29:11.792+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1423799072501928017`
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Making a working eFuse device is not trivial. Without a passivation window over the device, you will just melt the material in place and it will re-solidify in place. [Warning: misinformation. Corrected in the discussion with Egor Lukyanchenko, below. Passivation windows are for laser-trimmed fuses.]
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## message-1423799837278867538
**2025-10-03T22:32:14.129+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tim Edwards - There are claims it works but it is nontrivial to test due to missing metal connections in the test chip. I recently sent Andrew Zonenberg a couple of the parts that @Egor Lukyanchenko sent me to look at.
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## message-1423801373031665765
**2025-10-03T22:38:20.281+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Also, I'm very interested in sourcing known-good-die for SPI flash parts that we can then wire bond to the custom silicon.
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## message-1423803011431534693
**2025-10-03T22:44:50.906+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Feels like it would fairly simple just to assemble a flash chip onto the CoB PCB?
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## message-1423811747038629918
**2025-10-03T23:19:33.637+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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True, I guess. Was just hoping to reduce the cost by avoiding packaging.
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## message-1423815211198185503
**2025-10-03T23:33:19.557+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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BTW I'll be travelling most of next week from Sunday (going Chicago->Singapore->Adelaide).
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## message-1423883284240269382
**2025-10-04T04:03:49.435+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm currently tracking a few other metrics like number of subscribers and such.
It will be interesting to see what happens when we have a submission platform up and running. If if people submit designs to be verified without having purchased a slot or not.
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## message-1423883676432863242
**2025-10-04T04:05:22.941+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1423883676432863242`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
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Seems reasonable to me. Why not give it a go? 🙂
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## message-1423900783883063297
**2025-10-04T05:13:21.675+00:00 — HardWall (@hardwall)**
- Message ID: `1423900783883063297`
- Author ID: `600324974296956938`
- Nickname: HardWall
- User name: hardwall
- Type: `Default`
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I think he was advising me how a reasonable risc-v would look like. I've been probing around the idea.
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## message-1423930648758063144
**2025-10-04T07:12:02.016+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
- Message ID: `1423930648758063144`
- Author ID: `709384666909507634`
- Nickname: Egor Lukyanchenko
- User name: egorxe
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2025-10-05T01:52:08.142+00:00
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Hi, @Tim Edwards and everyone else here! Why do you think a passivation window is required above the fuse? Fuse material is not melted per se but is “moved” by electromigration after all. I'm not by any means an expert in technology myself, but the only requirement that is present in open source DRM is that there should be no metal1 and metal2 above the fuse. I understand that the opensource DRM and DRC rules could be incomplete in rarely used aspects like eFuse, but during OpenMPW-GF0 my chip with the eFuse block adhering to these rules was accepted and manufactured, so I guess it passed an official factory DRC with Calibre or something. Unfortunately that chip had a fatal flaw with the power supply for eFuse which I missed due to device level LVS being absent from the tapeout script for GF180 at that time, and the fixed chip was not accepted for the GF1 run. The only way to test the eFuse on the GF0 chip was by decapping it and restoring eFuse power one way or another. I’ve sent @Tim 'mithro' Ansell some of my GF0 chips and described this powering and testing procedure in detail [here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O9qWxHJzb4RIqjDzd3Dr9FddIsH_DiyjSaHewqEm0X4/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.oi68oexfhjcr).
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## message-1423930684505853972
**2025-10-04T07:12:10.539+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
- Message ID: `1423930684505853972`
- Author ID: `709384666909507634`
- Nickname: Egor Lukyanchenko
- User name: egorxe
- Type: `Default`
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As far as I know one of the chips was decapped but the eFuse powering was not attempted, probably Tim knows more about it. But I’ve personally tested a single chip patched this way earlier. If I remember correctly, there were 128 bits of eFuse powered, around half of which I’ve blown writing something semi-random. I had only about a day to test the chip remotely, but during this whole time period (apart from several power downs to ensure nonvolatility) eFuse was constantly being read from Caravel in cycles and all the bits kept their state. 128 bits and one day is a tiny sample for sure, but due to constant reading each bit was sensed around a billion times which is quite a lot for a eFuse and there were 0 read errors. I understand that unless someone repeats this patching procedure, there is only my word about this short testing to trust here, but personally I am sure that it works to some extent. Fuses definitely do not solidify back in place, at least most of them do not as none of my ~64 programmed ones did. A couple of days ago I was contacted by Jonas Svennebring who is planning to lead the effort of creating a chip for testing several IPs to be launched on the first wafer.space run. We agreed to work on putting several eFuse memory blocks created with my updated eFuse compiler to characterize eFuse performance and reliability. So hopefully we’ll have more reliable information about eFuse after the first wafer.space chips arrive. If anyone has some knowledge which could help to make eFuse more reliable or could help in any other way I would be very grateful.
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## message-1423935661454659656
**2025-10-04T07:31:57.136+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
- Message ID: `1423935661454659656`
- Author ID: `709384666909507634`
- Nickname: Egor Lukyanchenko
- User name: egorxe
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-10-04T08:06:34.229+00:00
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Regarding the eFuse mask, some fuse masks are listed as optional [here](https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_04_3.html). But probably these are some other fuses, cause layer numbers do not match eFuse ones and it mentions "Top plate of MIM capacitors". As my chip was manufactured during GF0 I assumed that the mask (masks?) necessary for eFuse was present during the run, not sure if it was ordered separately or was included by default. @Tim 'mithro' Ansell do you have a way to check with GF if eFuse masks will be available during planned wafer.space run? Cause if not, there is no reason for me and Jonas to work on putting eFuse on the test chip.
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## message-1423956216995905647
**2025-10-04T08:53:37.959+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
- Message ID: `1423956216995905647`
- Author ID: `709384666909507634`
- Nickname: Egor Lukyanchenko
- User name: egorxe
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-10-04T09:03:01.011+00:00
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As for using eFuse as a MCU ROM or something similar, I think it could be done. Although an eFuse cell has a limited number of read cycles (~10^7-10^9 depending on technology and a testing methodology based on open info) which makes it unsuitable for such tasks directly, it's quite easy to create an eFuse-SRAM hybrid. By copying whole eFuse contents to SRAM after powerup and reading only from SRAM afterwards it's possible to mitigate this limitation for read-heavy uses. Drawbacks are obvious: higher power, startup delay and ~1.5x lower density than a raw eFuse. But I estimate that it's still possible to achieve a density of ~6 kbits/mm^2 which makes small MCU ROMs feasible. Especially because if I'm not mistaken it's currently the only option for post-fabrication programmable ROM.
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## message-1424032375628632158
**2025-10-04T13:56:15.592+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1424032375628632158`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
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I would be up for helping create some kind of template that had a rough shape like this - with the aim of giving people a decent Risc-V SoC to add custom logic to. Though not for this shuttle as I don't have much free time before the deadline and I'm already aiming to get a version of TinyQV using the SRAM block on to the Tiny Tapeout submission, and also a different Risc-V SoC on the next sky130 TT shuttle.
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## message-1424033390163922984
**2025-10-04T14:00:17.476+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1424033390163922984`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
- Type: `Default`
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I think if I were to do something towards this in the timeframe of this shuttle it would be to create a cache + QSPI controller and get it into a TT slot. I think there's an efabless project that @Leo Moser (mole99) used in Greyhound that would make a reasonable starting point.
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## message-1424035317156937818
**2025-10-04T14:07:56.907+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1424035317156937818`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
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Also these projects are a hobby for me, so the price is way out of range, and I also wouldn't want 1000 chips! So would need to either find 20+ people to split the cost and chips with Tiny Tapeout style, or for this to be sponsored on the basis that creating and proving a template like this would be useful.
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## message-1424039831444394175
**2025-10-04T14:25:53.197+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I think its totally feasible for me to develop an Arduino-like single-board solution for my AS2650-2 MCU, including being able to update its flash over USB.
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## message-1424040053692174418
**2025-10-04T14:26:46.185+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I'll be looking into that this weekend because I have so many of those chips and nothing to use them for as-is.
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## message-1424060025042637084
**2025-10-04T15:46:07.726+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I believe its also totally possible to do so with my RISC-V core, but I don't have too many of those chips, so I'll wait until I get a wire bonder so I can use the raw dies for this instead, of which I have plenty.
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## message-1424101065208369252
**2025-10-04T18:29:12.464+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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@Egor Lukyanchenko : I apologize, you are correct. I have worked with laser trim fuses and efuses (in the long past---around 2007 or so), and I was conflating the two. Laser trim fuses require a passivation window over the device, because the laser evaporates the material, which must have somewhere to go or it just melts and resolidifies, as I said. But yes, eFuses involve the electromigration of the salicide off the top of the poly and are a different mechanism entirely.
The GF manual, as usual, is very difficult to read and does not help things at all by variously referring to the "eFuse", the "polyfuse", metal fuses, and OTP. I still have not figured out what they mean by OTP. However, by looking at the device/layer truth table, it looks to me like "polyfuse" and metal fuses both require a window and therefore one extra mask, whereas I don't see that the eFuse requires any additional mask, and is simply defined by a number of marker layers.
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## message-1424101777724280883
**2025-10-04T18:32:02.341+00:00 — urish**
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OTP = One time programable
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## message-1424101910901817477
**2025-10-04T18:32:34.093+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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The N+ poly fuse is apparently a laser trimmed fuse, I guess?
Also the GF manual further confuses things by referring to the MiM cap layer as "fuse top", which is a mystery to me (maybe a layer number reassignment that nobody cleanly fixed in the documentation?).
Anyway, the proof is that you have a working circuit, and as far as I know this was done on the Google/Efabless GF180MCU run without any additional masks.
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## message-1424102101532938312
**2025-10-04T18:33:19.543+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@urish : I know that OTP means "one-time programmable". What I don't know is what OTP _device_ is being indicated by the OTP marker. It doesn't seem to relate to anything else in the documentation.
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## message-1424102414482411703
**2025-10-04T18:34:34.156+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1424102414482411703`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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It does not seem to refer to either the eFuse or polyfuse devices, either of which could be referred to as OTP. Reading it over again, I think it _might_ be referring to the metal (laser trim) fuse.
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## message-1424108807558135989
**2025-10-04T18:59:58.384+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tim Edwards / @Egor Lukyanchenko - I can take a look at the mask ordering form and see if I can figure out more info it that is useful.
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## message-1424181430308704328
**2025-10-04T23:48:32.997+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Anyone able to figure out how to get the PDF linked from https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/11185233 ? (Which seems to be connected to a GitHub repo @ https://github.com/SJTU-YONGFU-RESEARCH-GRP/PDB-Physical-Design-Database/tree/main/layout/gf180 ).
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## message-1424215392062144633
**2025-10-05T02:03:30.11+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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Yeah, there are a lot of confusing terms in DRM, at least regarding OTP cells. To make things even more interesting there are some mentions of [MTP](https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_10_13.html) and [NeoEE](https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_10_15.html) cells. NeoEE seems to be a specific proprietary type of EEPROM, but MTP could refer to a number of things and I'm not sure if it's possible to devise a working MTP cell just from these geometry limitations in DRM.
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## message-1424218947837755534
**2025-10-05T02:17:37.873+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
- Message ID: `1424218947837755534`
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It's downloadable from [here](https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/tocresult.jsp?isnumber=10677474) probably cause it's early access.
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## message-1424268160755830876
**2025-10-05T05:33:11.147+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I still don't seem to be able to download a PDF from there? That second page just seems to take me back to the first page?
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## message-1424269331323158618
**2025-10-05T05:37:50.232+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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For me it worked from that page. Here is the pdf.
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## message-1424269469911355494
**2025-10-05T05:38:23.274+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Maybe IEEE is just blocking me for some reason or something...
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## message-1424270525886103582
**2025-10-05T05:42:35.038+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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It's an open access article, so should be available to everyone. May be [direct PDF link](https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=11185233) will work for you?
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## message-1424270646409560244
**2025-10-05T05:43:03.773+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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That one works!
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## message-1424500515353526362
**2025-10-05T20:56:28.8+00:00 — dshadoff**
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Mithro, you had said somewhere that buying a 1,000 chip run could be broken down to 100 for first pass, 100 for validation, and then something like 500 for actual products (or something like that).
On the CrowdSupply livestream, you mentioned how it could scale up (and cost down), but how would it work for test/validaiton iterations (without forcing $7K per attempt) ?
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## message-1424501687359635599
**2025-10-05T21:01:08.228+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I think he meant for the full product, not for the chip alone. Like you make 1000 asic. Then you build 100 of your product using that chip for the first pass. But you can't revise the chip, only what you put around it.
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## message-1424503166199795754
**2025-10-05T21:07:00.811+00:00 — dshadoff**
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Well, fully-digital designs can be validate in FPGA, but mixed-signal would be much more complicated
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## message-1424503240975978547
**2025-10-05T21:07:18.639+00:00 — dshadoff**
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So I think it's reasonable to assume that initial design would need modifications.
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## message-1424504264151138494
**2025-10-05T21:11:22.583+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yes, I would expect so. But NRE on making 1k chips are still the bulk of the price vs the per wafers cost, so you won't get any real price cut by making only 100.
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## message-1424504424432144496
**2025-10-05T21:12:00.797+00:00 — dshadoff**
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Don't get me wrong - I'm not complaining about $7K being a lot of money for a working design. It's just a lot of money if the design doesn't work.
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**2025-10-05T21:12:53.082+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Testing sub-modules on real silicon at lower cost is a good use of Tiny Tapeout if you can make your IP fit its constraints.
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**2025-10-05T21:13:34.218+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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That at least could allow to check it's not DOA and shows signs of life, even if you can't necessarely do full caracterization.
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## message-1424504977258184715
**2025-10-05T21:14:12.601+00:00 — dshadoff**
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I could pull $7K out of my own pocket, but 3 iterations ... not so much. So I'd be looking for a small team of like-minded people.
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## message-1424505154501087364
**2025-10-05T21:14:54.859+00:00 — dshadoff**
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Anyway, I'm only asking because the comment itself piqued my interest. If it was misunderstood, then mea culpa.
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## message-1424550641971495002
**2025-10-06T00:15:39.917+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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There will always be people (including me) who are on the lookout for sharing the cost and who only need a smaller number of parts. I (and many others here) have helped assemble single chips that contain multiple designs that share the majority of available pins. TT is the extreme of this and a great way to do it at super low cost/risk, but if you need more like 10%-25% of the total area and more like 30+ signal pins, then (say) $2000 has the potential to get you much greater value on this sort of platform than it does on TT… it’s just a higher barrier to entry in terms of integrating, and higher risk that your design could break the chip for everyone else
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## message-1424555268121038929
**2025-10-06T00:34:02.877+00:00 — dshadoff**
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Thanks, this is helpful
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## message-1424556155149090898
**2025-10-06T00:37:34.361+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell maybe a dedicated “space sharing” channel would be in demand, unless that erodes your revenue potential. Anyone embarking on this should be prepared to accept the risk, btw, and be aware that someone will spend long hours just trying to make sure everyone’s projects cooperate… lots of cat-herding unless you know the others involved well
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## message-1424556609040023695
**2025-10-06T00:39:22.577+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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I was lucky to have great parties to the GFMPW-1 chip I integrated and had fabbed, but I’ve seen others who clashed/struggled and some on other chips who didn’t pull their weight… or simply weren’t available at the right times to answer questions about their design, etc.
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## message-1424593920960233512
**2025-10-06T03:07:38.432+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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That is why I'm excited about the work with Tiny Tapeouts, gives you an even cheaper way to test out ideas and verify things before you make the larger commitment.
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## message-1424594370031648879
**2025-10-06T03:09:25.499+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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As Anton also mentioned, getting you back a large number of parts allows you to share a slot with other people and still get back a useful number of parts.
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## message-1424595469920894987
**2025-10-06T03:13:47.733+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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You can also probably mitigate a bunch of risks by having multiple pad frames on one chip.
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**2025-10-06T03:15:16.801+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm also at the airport, so probably won't be responding for the next day or so.
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## message-1424673964231360573
**2025-10-06T08:25:42.235+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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- Author ID: `1071653002986926112`
- Nickname: algofoogle (Anton Maurovic)
- User name: algofoogle
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- Edited: 2025-10-06T08:36:33.469+00:00
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For people needing bonding (i.e. most customers??) it seems going with the “standard” pad placement (that is, the one that would be used by TT) might be the affordable way to go, if it means the engineering is already done and the chip-on-board provider is set up for it within the $8500 price. Otherwise, having each design’s own padrings (for shared submissions) is probably a good idea. One idea to reduce the bonding cost in that case MIGHT be to have a quarter-size padring which is symmetrical in such a way that it is placed within each quadrant and the whole die can be rotated 0, 90, 180, and 270 degrees and the pads will end up in exactly the same place.
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## message-1424678248427688017
**2025-10-06T08:42:43.667+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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By the end of this week, I would like to send a test reticle to GF in order to receive feedback on the sealring, the filler generation and the reticle itself.
If anyone has a project ready with the [gf180mcu-project-template](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template), I can include it in this "virtual tapeout". This way, you can also get early feedback on whether your design is manufacturable or if the open source DRC deck missed an issue.
@Tholin, if I remember correctly, you were planning to have something ready? I'll improve the filler generation this week, but you can already use the template and update it on Friday to get the latest changes.
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## message-1424684180054216844
**2025-10-06T09:06:17.877+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Pinned a message.
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## message-1424738836407128195
**2025-10-06T12:43:28.967+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1424738836407128195`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Ah, I was busy fixing DRC errors in my SCL
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## message-1424738859719331962
**2025-10-06T12:43:34.525+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Which should be done now, actually.
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## message-1424738915545251870
**2025-10-06T12:43:47.835+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I even had errors inside the cells themselves, which only showed in KLayout.
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## message-1424739011846471740
**2025-10-06T12:44:10.795+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Most if not all of the DRC errors should now be gone.
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## message-1424777327597846741
**2025-10-06T15:16:25.982+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m not sure if I have enough time now. I’ve been focusing on other things. I’ll try.
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## message-1424780398952583289
**2025-10-06T15:28:38.25+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1424780398952583289`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I’m also kinda waiting for the template to become usable in iic-osic-tools, which it currently isn’t. I work on my designs on both my PC and my Laptop and need a portable setup for all the tools without a fuss, and iic-osci-tools gives me that.
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## message-1424824372006490242
**2025-10-06T18:23:22.243+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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No worries, if you have something ready by then, just let me know.
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## message-1424824479863013468
**2025-10-06T18:23:47.958+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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It will still be a while until all of the changes have been upstreamed to both LibreLane and the PDK, and then you'll need to wait for a new release of the IIC-OSIC-TOOLS.
I would highly recommend using Nix, as it gives you a much better control over your tools. I also started out with OpenLane 1 using Docker, however, once I switched to Nix for OpenLane 2 and now LibreLane, I never looked back.
It's much easier to change the version of individual tools, you can create an environment that is reproducible, and you get the best performance :)
Please consider giving it a try: https://librelane.readthedocs.io/en/latest/getting_started/common/nix_installation/index.html
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## message-1424825235257163793
**2025-10-06T18:26:48.058+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I guess I'll have to
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## message-1424826170205147280
**2025-10-06T18:30:30.967+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I prefer docker images because they're easy to set up and easy to remove
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## message-1425121974895775787
**2025-10-07T14:05:56.301+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Adding more cells to my 3.3v SCL again finally.
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## message-1425122063579877569
**2025-10-07T14:06:17.445+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its just gonna be a big heap of AOI and OAI parts for the next few days.
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## message-1425277144883527700
**2025-10-08T00:22:31.709+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The whole AOI/OAI/etc cells seems like ripe for some type of automation.
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## message-1425417852856434708
**2025-10-08T09:41:39.104+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I don't see how. Implementing that would just take longer than me doing it myself.
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## message-1425419449628102707
**2025-10-08T09:47:59.804+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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If you want cells of perfect performance and density, I don't believe there is a way to get that through computer code. Not without more effort than its worth, since every PDK has its own rules and quirks and so you'll need to update the entire codebase for each new one.
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## message-1425425112819171338
**2025-10-08T10:10:30.014+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Is automated generation of standard cell layouts something @htamas worked on, experimentally? https://github.com/htfab/cell-tester
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## message-1425425124047454281
**2025-10-08T10:10:32.691+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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C4M has some code to generate cells automatically based on rule set, but I agree with @Tholin that this won't yield the best layout possible. It's all a trade-off ... I'll be interesting to see the delta.
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## message-1425470327944908861
**2025-10-08T13:10:10.14+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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If you are in Australia, there is now a FOSSi Foundation event -> https://fossi-foundation.org/downunderflow/2026
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## message-1425811256488759378
**2025-10-09T11:44:53.839+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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About to give a talk in Singapore at Hackware -> https://engineers.sg/organization/hackware--111
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## message-1425825956618043555
**2025-10-09T12:43:18.623+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I’m having troubles with the template. Its been stuck on "Filler Generation" for almost an hour, I think, and that’s probably because half of its memory usage is in Swap by now.
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## message-1425826321992519863
**2025-10-09T12:44:45.735+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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I never tried on GF180 but on IHP, fill takes a while and yeah, needs a _lot_ of ram. If you don't have the physical ram for it, you can forget it. Use a VM on some cloud provider or that'll never finish.
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## message-1425826387293638776
**2025-10-09T12:45:01.304+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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What does this step even do?
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## message-1425826627010560121
**2025-10-09T12:45:58.457+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It add small rectangles all over the place to meet the density requirements of each layer, making sure all those dummy rectangle don't interfere with the rest of the circuit ...
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## message-1425827256605085777
**2025-10-09T12:48:28.564+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Ah yes, minimum density requirements
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## message-1425827382878539777
**2025-10-09T12:48:58.67+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I think I ran into that before, but on PCB layouts. Its weird.
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## message-1425827521324388423
**2025-10-09T12:49:31.678+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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JLC has some obscure minimum density rules, you’re just unlikely to run into them in 99% of cases.
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## message-1425828419345846314
**2025-10-09T12:53:05.783+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The density here to meet doesn't seem too bad ( 30% ) but there rules are a bit unusual vs sky130 because you have minimum distance between dummy metals and the metals from the layer above and below which is not the case in sk130/ihp.
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## message-1425830184686194860
**2025-10-09T13:00:06.673+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I don’t remember a Filler Generation step being required during GFMPW
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## message-1425830601939877948
**2025-10-09T13:01:46.154+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It was done by the foundry or efabless.
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## message-1425830696038957199
**2025-10-09T13:02:08.589+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Same for seal ring AFAIK.
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## message-1425881122415317112
**2025-10-09T16:22:31.174+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1425881122415317112`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
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Filler generation runs in tiled mode, meaning that KLayout assigns each CPU thread a part of the layout to work on.
The size of the tile and the maximum number of threads in use define the RAM usage.
These can be changed in `gf180mcu/gf180mcuD/libs.tech/klayout/tech/drc/filler_generation/`: `tile_size` is defined individually in each script, and `$threads` is defined in `fill_all.rb`.
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## message-1425881236567752764
**2025-10-09T16:22:58.39+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1425881236567752764`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Its pinning all my CPU threads at 100%, so this is definitely working.
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## message-1425881280976912455
**2025-10-09T16:23:08.978+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The flow completed after 2 hours of runtime.
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## message-1425881385750761513
**2025-10-09T16:23:33.958+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1425881385750761513`
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```text
I'll add some proper variables to LibreLane. You should already be able to limit the threads directly in LibreLane, however that would also mean you limit the threads for detailed routing etc.
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## message-1425881630781739060
**2025-10-09T16:24:32.378+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1425881630781739060`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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If you're swapping memory, then filler generation will take much longer than necessary.
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## message-1425881753557532823
**2025-10-09T16:25:01.65+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1425881753557532823`
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Yes, sealring and filler cells were added by GF for the GFMPW runs
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## message-1425881928346894368
**2025-10-09T16:25:43.323+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1425881928346894368`
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@Leo Moser (mole99) Does the filling respect all those rules across metal layers ? I had never seen those before.
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## message-1425882069598343168
**2025-10-09T16:26:17+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1425882069598343168`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Things like `DM.4` ( https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_13_3.html )
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## message-1425882271273062450
**2025-10-09T16:27:05.083+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1425882271273062450`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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The issue with the DRC rules with the layers above and below the dummy fill is that, since all standard cells contain poly2, you cannot insert any Metal1 fill. That's why, for now, I'm ignoring those rules... I'll see how far I get with that.
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## message-1425882440441790726
**2025-10-09T16:27:45.416+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1425882440441790726`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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You really shouldn't need any M1 fill though, the standard cells should provide enough metal inside themselves ?
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## message-1425882556515221536
**2025-10-09T16:28:13.09+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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That might be true. However, if you have dense routing on any layer, that would also prevent you from generating any fill the layers above and below it.
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## message-1425882909969223820
**2025-10-09T16:29:37.36+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1425882909969223820`
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I would like to know what is the reasoning behind this rule, maybe GF can asnwer me that once I submit the first reticle. Capacitive coupling perhaps? Or manufacturing reasons? 🤷♂️
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## message-1425883071852580915
**2025-10-09T16:30:15.956+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1425883071852580915`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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My guess would be capacitive coupling.
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## message-1425884796206186536
**2025-10-09T16:37:07.074+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1425884796206186536`
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Which might be important to consider for sensitive analog designs, but not so much for digital. At least on sky130 and ihp-sg13g2 we didn't care much ^^
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## message-1425987157704708256
**2025-10-09T23:23:51.957+00:00 — mbalestrini**
- Message ID: `1425987157704708256`
- Author ID: `403219339391795211`
- Nickname: mbalestrini
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- Edited: 2025-10-11T14:17:44.421+00:00
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I took some photos of a GFMPW-1 chip @Tim 'mithro' Ansell sent me.
It's the A8, LeoSoC project: https://mbalestrini.github.io/chip_images/GFMPW-1-LeoSoc.html
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## message-1425989016188092427
**2025-10-09T23:31:15.054+00:00 — mbalestrini**
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## message-1426026975025430640
**2025-10-10T02:02:05.146+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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So good, Maximo!
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## message-1426092210918785077
**2025-10-10T06:21:18.595+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Beautiful photos!
Thank you for taking them, Maximo 🙌
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## message-1426093400284860416
**2025-10-10T06:26:02.162+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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What's you setup for taking those ?
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## message-1426156899614589069
**2025-10-10T10:38:21.582+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) I think I do have a GDSII for you for the virtual tapeout. I don’t like having standard cells in my top-level layout and prefer the efabless user project area setup where its just placing and connecting macros. So I replicated that and I can give the GDSII for that for checking.
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## message-1426190926543323187
**2025-10-10T12:53:34.234+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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@Tholin, that would be great! That's fine, as long as you're using the project template. The reason is, the project template prepares the GDS with everything needed for tapeout, including sealring and filler cells. It also adds a QR code in the bottom left corner of the die, which will be replaced by the precheck with the actual ID. I might do some more changes on the filler generation before sending it out, so I might need to regenerate your project locally.
Please create a fork of the project template repository, customise it to your needs and share it with me.
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## message-1426194088566194267
**2025-10-10T13:06:08.119+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Running the precheck locally is kinda difficult right now, btw, because `nix-shell` starts building stuff from source.
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## message-1426205741727088751
**2025-10-10T13:52:26.449+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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There's no need to run the precheck now. I'll do some more work on it after the virtual tapeout.
Simply building the design using the project template is fine. However, there OpenROAD also needs to be build when calling `nix-shell`. This is because we're currently using a branch of LibreLane and therefore not all binaries are cached. This will improve once most of the changes have been upstreamed.
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## message-1426209407787602001
**2025-10-10T14:07:00.506+00:00 — mbalestrini**
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This time I used a Sony A7C2
Most of the photos were taken with this 50mm 1.8 Sony lens and some 3d printed extension tubes (the problem is that I can't control focus or aperture with that lens and the extensions)
I also use an old Minolta macro lens which gives me more control, but I think is not that sharp
For lightning I mostly use a led flashlight and in a couple of these direct sunlight
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## message-1426214153923596310
**2025-10-10T14:25:52.073+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I need to get myself some extension tubes, see what I can capture wihth that.
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## message-1426344054794223657
**2025-10-10T23:02:02.854+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Here 'ya go!
https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/ws-submission-2025
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## message-1426344328044871868
**2025-10-10T23:03:08.002+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Let me know if there is any problems with it, otherwise I will continue to develop this repo into a proper submission. I’ll (hopefully) have a slot in the december tapeout.
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## message-1426410419148427304
**2025-10-11T03:25:45.349+00:00 — storborg**
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Do you have a process for cleaning the die before shooting?
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## message-1426428339421319209
**2025-10-11T04:36:57.875+00:00 — Ian Hanschen (@furanfuranfuran)**
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greetings
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## message-1426471971331510362
**2025-10-11T07:30:20.533+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Video from my talk in Singapore is now up at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nqV9Eo17wA
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## message-1426481641647505492
**2025-10-11T08:08:46.116+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1426570435843068057
**2025-10-11T14:01:36.302+00:00 — mbalestrini**
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No, I have to find one. These one were decently clean so I took the photos before trying to clean them
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## message-1426595269926977756
**2025-10-11T15:40:17.209+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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just finished the Amp Hour episode, really interesting! Was fun to hear some more of the backstory and general thoughts on the project 🙂
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## message-1426597966248018063
**2025-10-11T15:51:00.062+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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## message-1426598057100968021
**2025-10-11T15:51:21.723+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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## message-1426598702797029527
**2025-10-11T15:53:55.669+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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**2025-10-11T15:54:27.731+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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:waferspace:
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## message-1426598988718674121
**2025-10-11T15:55:03.838+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Didn't realize it posted things. Anyways.. New Emoji!!
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## message-1426774077154263040
**2025-10-12T03:30:48.174+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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At some point I'm going to have to do an animated version of that logo.
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## message-1426774264169889934
**2025-10-12T03:31:32.762+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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That would be sweet!!
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## message-1426834908868771840
**2025-10-12T07:32:31.585+00:00 — urish**
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Yes please
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## message-1427714809104961616
**2025-10-14T17:48:56.149+00:00 — HardWall (@hardwall)**
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- Author ID: `600324974296956938`
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I'm curious if you tried reaching out to other open source silicon initiatives like ZeroRisc? There seems to be some movement in that direction from other people as well.
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## message-1427825881124175962
**2025-10-15T01:10:17.782+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I was in contact with the OpenTitan team when I was at Google but haven't really been following them since the first round of Google layoffs hit them. I did talk to someone from LowRISC at LatchUp.
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## message-1427826157344129055
**2025-10-15T01:11:23.638+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Feel free to forward things their way if you have contacts
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## message-1428664964343791636
**2025-10-17T08:44:30.811+00:00 — always_ff_rohan**
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can we get a full 4k wallpaper version?
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## message-1428732201620733952
**2025-10-17T13:11:41.427+00:00 — mbalestrini**
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On the web you can download the full camera resolution version: https://mbalestrini.github.io/chip_images
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## message-1428732353697681550
**2025-10-17T13:12:17.685+00:00 — mbalestrini**
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Some are cropped so they have less pixels
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## message-1428953802609918084
**2025-10-18T03:52:15.22+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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@mbalestrini These are really wonderful.
Would you mind if we posted these other places?
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## message-1429094066745905324
**2025-10-18T13:09:36.796+00:00 — mbalestrini**
- Message ID: `1429094066745905324`
- Author ID: `403219339391795211`
- Nickname: mbalestrini
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You can use them!
All the photos I upload to that page have a Creative Commons CC0 license
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## message-1429094192042479699
**2025-10-18T13:10:06.669+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Thank you!!
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## message-1429094690044772373
**2025-10-18T13:12:05.402+00:00 — mbalestrini**
- Message ID: `1429094690044772373`
- Author ID: `403219339391795211`
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You can get the photos from the repo also: https://github.com/mbalestrini/chip_images
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## message-1431890133501874237
**2025-10-26T06:20:11.059+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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BTW Bits of https://platform.wafer.space could use testing, checking the login works for you. Check the upload flow works, etc.
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## message-1431909057924431914
**2025-10-26T07:35:22.993+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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I created an account using Github and it all seemed to work well for me
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## message-1432004123137540309
**2025-10-26T13:53:08.306+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432004123137540309`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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Same
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## message-1432004421159489676
**2025-10-26T13:54:19.36+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432004421159489676`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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How is this platform site being developed? Is there a GitHub repo for it?
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## message-1432011768149966998
**2025-10-26T14:23:31.019+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Afaik @Tim 'mithro' Ansell is doing most of the development. I don't believe it's open.
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## message-1432012296670150829
**2025-10-26T14:25:37.028+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Ah. I was going to offer some help. I do have almost 6 years of professional web dev experience, even though its not my favorite thing.
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## message-1432196998840451135
**2025-10-27T02:39:33.457+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I do plan to have the platform public under an Apache 2.0 license.
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## message-1432197062749065366
**2025-10-27T02:39:48.694+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Mostly developed myself with Claude Code.
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## message-1432200668755660830
**2025-10-27T02:54:08.433+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - I think it makes more sense for you to concentrate on doing more cool silicon stuff rather than boring webdev work.
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## message-1432338133432664229
**2025-10-27T12:00:22.566+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Webdev isn’t necessarily boring - especially when its about ensuring people’s cool silicon project files make it to the fab safe and sound.
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**2025-10-27T13:37:41.988+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1432364553269805087
**2025-10-27T13:45:21.546+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Thrown together in two hours: python script that automatically generates a padout diagram that is *roughly* to-scale from a librelane config.
https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/ws-submission-2025/blob/main/padout_gen.py
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## message-1432364599155363962
**2025-10-27T13:45:32.486+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1432392243070767124
**2025-10-27T15:35:23.309+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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This is awesome!!
Tim has been asking me about creating a second option for a standard padring/cob. Do you have any requests/ recommendations/ insights?
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## message-1432393017142022306
**2025-10-27T15:38:27.862+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432393017142022306`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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The current padring in the template is incompatible with DIP-40 ceramic carriers as there is no VDD pad aligned with Pin 40 and no VSS pad aligned with Pin 20.
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## message-1432393088961089686
**2025-10-27T15:38:44.985+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Although the latter is less severe
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## message-1432393106514378803
**2025-10-27T15:38:49.17+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That is my only complaint
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## message-1432393245790437437
**2025-10-27T15:39:22.376+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432393245790437437`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I guess you can also put the VDD and VSS on other pins, but that’d be going against the de facto convention.
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## message-1432395571926139011
**2025-10-27T15:48:36.97+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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So you're looking to bond the die directly to a carrier like this?
Or you're wanting a pcb that has a matching pinout (like what you have drawn before?)
> I guess you can also put the VDD and VSS on other pins, but that’d be going against the de facto convention.
There really are no real standards yet, and that's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of.
Even within the 74pad standard we're already seeing variations like @peterkinget and his students here: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1429068742108909638/1429520076536811622
I guess that I'm just missing some vital information, which really needs to come from the wirebonders and their needs/ desires.
Thank you
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## message-1432396833640026142
**2025-10-27T15:53:37.786+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432396833640026142`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I do mean one of those carriers
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## message-1432397789979213954
**2025-10-27T15:57:25.795+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Generally, VDD is in the top-right corner and VSS in the bottom-left corner of most DIP chips.
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## message-1432398429467705490
**2025-10-27T15:59:58.261+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432398429467705490`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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For my multi-project die, I have fully customized the padring at this point. I have three designs on there that can go into DIP-40 packages, with the added difficulty that each has to have the clock pin in a different place. So I had to get a bit creative with placement of the clock pad so bond wires can reach it from all those possible pins.
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## message-1432398774260600893
**2025-10-27T16:01:20.466+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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NOT to scale
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## message-1432401316759470181
**2025-10-27T16:11:26.645+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432401316759470181`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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It’ll probably be a while until I can get my hands on any DIP carriers. Sometimes some show up on ebay randomly, but the actual source only has "Request Quote" on the website with mandatory "Company Information" fields. Typical.
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## message-1432401384648605696
**2025-10-27T16:11:42.831+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Whenever I see that, I just choose to interpret that as "Too expensive to bother anyways"
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## message-1432401556669730866
**2025-10-27T16:12:23.844+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But it’d be fun to experiment with if I ever manage to source some.
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## message-1432401611581427864
**2025-10-27T16:12:36.936+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432401611581427864`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Would look so cool on a demo board.
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## message-1432417609395077131
**2025-10-27T17:16:11.112+00:00 — Mark Anderson (@markemer)**
- Message ID: `1432417609395077131`
- Author ID: `323874444344950794`
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8.5 bucks a chip with wirebonding or 7 bucks without is tempting as hell. I think I could sell them (provided I ship a design that works) - just gotta get that cash together.
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## message-1432417829344252056
**2025-10-27T17:17:03.552+00:00 — Mark Anderson (@markemer)**
- Message ID: `1432417829344252056`
- Author ID: `323874444344950794`
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Has anyone ever done packaging as an OEM. I did package design at IBM and wirebonding in gradschool, but never actually got like a DIP or QFN made
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## message-1432417935540093018
**2025-10-27T17:17:28.871+00:00 — Mark Anderson (@markemer)**
- Message ID: `1432417935540093018`
- Author ID: `323874444344950794`
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are their vendors for that that won't cost more than the damn chip manufacturing?
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## message-1432420969347026995
**2025-10-27T17:29:32.187+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1432420969347026995`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
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You can join the discussion in #📦-cob where we're talking about packaging as a chip-on-board.
Currently it seems the frontrunner is to have a 74pad die wirebonded to a breakout attached to a 70pin mezzanine connector.
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## message-1432449171037880406
**2025-10-27T19:21:35.994+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1432449171037880406`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
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```text
New update just dropped:
## Professional Design Support: Your Options for GF180MCU Success
read it [here](https://www.crowdsupply.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-run-1/updates/getting-help)
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## message-1432449733003182181
**2025-10-27T19:23:49.977+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432449733003182181`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Since I have the most experience with GF180MCU, I do wonder if there is any knowledge I could pass on in the form of guides. I just don’t know what that would be.
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## message-1432450216698712116
**2025-10-27T19:25:45.299+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432450216698712116`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I wonder if it'd be worth mentioning that tons of reference designs already exist to clone and use, whether in whole or in part. I don’t license all my projects Apache 2.0 for nothing.
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## message-1432450686926192742
**2025-10-27T19:27:37.41+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1432450686926192742`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
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- Edited: 2025-10-27T19:28:23.586+00:00
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For sure! I think @Tim 'mithro' Ansell is still looking for a few more topics for updates.
I had floated the idea of edit:*[features of]* TinyTapeout and MosBius but would love to add some of yours as well!!
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## message-1432450899510431829
**2025-10-27T19:28:28.094+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432450899510431829`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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The only thing I have that I am proud of that is ready to use would be the components of the AS2650v2 microcontroller.
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## message-1432450951889031300
**2025-10-27T19:28:40.582+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1432450951889031300`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
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Sweet!!
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## message-1432450960545812603
**2025-10-27T19:28:42.646+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432450960545812603`
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- Nickname: Tholin
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Its fully verified
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## message-1432450990803648582
**2025-10-27T19:28:49.86+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432450990803648582`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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And uses the fab SRAM macros
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## message-1432451026991976598
**2025-10-27T19:28:58.488+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432451026991976598`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I think very people managed to figure out how to even use those
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## message-1432451162438635520
**2025-10-27T19:29:30.781+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432451162438635520`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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If anyone ever asks about the fab SRAM, I just direct them to my repo:
https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/AS2650
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## message-1432451356777648159
**2025-10-27T19:30:17.115+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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This is ready for GF180MCU?
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**2025-10-27T19:31:20.603+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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I've added this in his stuff,
Thank you!!
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## message-1432451817643577356
**2025-10-27T19:32:06.994+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yeah. I taped this out @ GFMPW-1 and Tim has samples of it. Though keep in mind that the repo was thus made with the efabless caravel user project.
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## message-1432451852565352548
**2025-10-27T19:32:15.32+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I could port it to the wafer.space template if demand exists.
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## message-1432452031485972480
**2025-10-27T19:32:57.978+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Up to Tim really. I like the sound of it though!
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## message-1432570995159597068
**2025-10-28T03:25:41.128+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin / @Leo Moser (mole99) - I just made the repo public
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## message-1432733515761324063
**2025-10-28T14:11:29.059+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Okay, so, this multi-project die is going to contain replicas of old retro chips and some of those are actually clocked on the negative clock edge. I wish to be cycle-accurate, so I am wanting to preserve that behavior. But LibreLane kinda doesn’t like it if I use negedge.
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## message-1432733570786660442
**2025-10-28T14:11:42.178+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I believe its still constraining the top-level module output ports to the positive clock edge.
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## message-1432791949580046488
**2025-10-28T18:03:40.767+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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You'll need to tweak the sdc - something like this: https://github.com/TinyTapeout/ttsky25a-tinyQV/blob/main/src/base.sdc#L25-L26
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## message-1433531074281078795
**2025-10-30T19:00:41.828+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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A really cool talk from @bunnie from Teardown where's he's talking about getting back into silicon was just uploaded.
Thanks for doing this talk bunnie, it was super cool. Love the computer architecture and your inter-processor network, so cool!
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## message-1434601691352662036
**2025-11-02T17:54:56.829+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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Great talk thanks for sharing, I probably would have missed it otherwise
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## message-1434712164542976142
**2025-11-03T01:13:55.69+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434712164542976142`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1434712164542976142
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I finished porting the AS2650v2 to the wafer.space template. Although I’m not planning to tape this out, its a good reference:
https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/as2650-ws
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## message-1434887433773912135
**2025-11-03T12:50:23.131+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434887433773912135`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Look how much free space there is without caravel!
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## message-1434887647477760133
**2025-11-03T12:51:14.082+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434887647477760133`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1434887647477760133
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With enough effort, you could easily double the amount of on-die RAM to 8KiB, but there is also 16 unused pads here as there is more of those too, so could fit more peripherals.
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## message-1434887706713784424
**2025-11-03T12:51:28.205+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434887706713784424`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I am very happy I designed a extendable bus interface for the peripherals.
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## message-1434890439118422158
**2025-11-03T13:02:19.661+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434890439118422158`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-03T13:03:20.478+00:00
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Running DRC on this takes more than the 32GB of RAM in my PC, so I have yet to actually see a top-level flow complete on this.
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## message-1434890521452478534
**2025-11-03T13:02:39.291+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434890521452478534`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1434890521452478534
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I will spin up an AWS instance with 128GB of RAM later and hopefully it completes.
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## message-1434890577664675910
**2025-11-03T13:02:52.693+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434890577664675910`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1434890577664675910
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You’ll see me commit the final outputs into the repo if I succeeded.
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## message-1434890885342171137
**2025-11-03T13:04:06.049+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1434890885342171137`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Maybe don't commit to the repo as it will bloat the git history, instead maybe as a release?
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## message-1434891393863651338
**2025-11-03T13:06:07.29+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434891393863651338`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Or that
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## message-1434896485786587176
**2025-11-03T13:26:21.299+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434896485786587176`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I did *not* take that much RAM to build user_project_wrapper during GFMPW
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## message-1434897759474811061
**2025-11-03T13:31:24.97+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Steps like filler generation were done by Efabless at the time.
However, if you think a step takes too much RAM for its purpose, please let me know.
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## message-1434898701016371262
**2025-11-03T13:35:09.451+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434898701016371262`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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Yeah, I didn’t consider that it now has to check all the fillers.
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## message-1434898889940406352
**2025-11-03T13:35:54.494+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434898889940406352`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I have my own concerns about those. Like, afraid that the fillers will interfere with any artwork on the die.
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## message-1434899073974140960
**2025-11-03T13:36:38.371+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434899073974140960`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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Ideally, I’d like the option to block fillers on a specific layer only, instead of every layer at once using fillblock. The artwork pixels themselves would create the required density on whichever layer it is on.
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## message-1434902399184666767
**2025-11-03T13:49:51.163+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1434902399184666767`
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```text
Unfortunately, this PDK does not provide layers to block fill on specific layers only.
There's NDMY and PMNDMY (https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_10_08.html).
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## message-1434913642658398348
**2025-11-03T14:34:31.816+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434913642658398348`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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**Content**
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I forgot that the SRAM macros generate magic DRC errors.
```
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## message-1434913696278118554
**2025-11-03T14:34:44.6+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434913696278118554`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I think the LVS errors are from the logo.
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## message-1434913860204367893
**2025-11-03T14:35:23.683+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yes
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## message-1434913872682287186
**2025-11-03T14:35:26.658+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Okay, I can fix that
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## message-1434913995776725063
**2025-11-03T14:35:56.006+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434913995776725063`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Just missing some config lines
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## message-1434914180359786517
**2025-11-03T14:36:40.014+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434914180359786517`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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There is a layer in the GDSII file called "SRAM_CORE" or something like that, that is probably a DRC exclude.
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## message-1434914233451282534
**2025-11-03T14:36:52.672+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434914233451282534`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Magic seems to ignore it right now. Klayout appears aware and does not generate DRC errors.
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## message-1434914429698445344
**2025-11-03T14:37:39.461+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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"SramCore 108/5"
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## message-1434914435872325742
**2025-11-03T14:37:40.933+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That’s it
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## message-1434917045090127995
**2025-11-03T14:48:03.019+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1434917045090127995`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Yes, there are special rules for SRAM:
- [5V SRAM](https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_11_1.html)
- [3.3V SRAM](https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_11_2.html)
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## message-1434917232231714957
**2025-11-03T14:48:47.637+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1434917232231714957`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Maybe @Tim Edwards could look into adding them to the magic DRC deck, or simply ignore DRC errors in these areas (KLayout also checks them).
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## message-1434960294194581544
**2025-11-03T17:39:54.409+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1434960294194581544`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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**Content**
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1) What 3.3V SRAM?
2) Yes, the usual method is to replace the SRAM with an abstract view. For the foundry-supplied 5V SRAMs, the PDK creates a .mag view in `maglef/` that is DRC clean and points to the GDS data for the SRAM. That is the appropriate one to have in the layout while running full DRC.
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## message-1434963260926333119
**2025-11-03T17:51:41.733+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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There are none in the PDK yet, but with Staf Verhaegen's SRAM generator we could try to generate them.
2. I was thinking more along the lines of excluding all areas marked by `SramCore` from the default DRC rules. This way all SRAM macros (and future generated ones) won't result in any violations. We should still check the layout with the KLayout rules, of course.
I will try to blackbox the foundry SRAMs for now, I even created a LibreLane PR for that some time ago: https://github.com/librelane/librelane/pull/786
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## message-1434970121100857425
**2025-11-03T18:18:57.326+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434970121100857425`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I opened one of the SRAM macros in magic on its own. There are DRC errors outside the region marked as "SramCore" also.
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## message-1434974462423466014
**2025-11-03T18:36:12.378+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Those are illegal overlap but they are "fixed" by using the appropriate gds flat glob options when loading the GDS. IIRC Leo already set that up.
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## message-1434982680801316875
**2025-11-03T19:08:51.792+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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The abstract view is of the entire SRAM macro, so if you use that, it should resolve all issues whether or not they exist in the core cell.
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## message-1434988224429822014
**2025-11-03T19:30:53.496+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I've set those up for the I/O and filler cells: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/blob/6c5025a5e572e6c65f1c677966f37575acb1e52a/librelane/config.yaml#L192
Maybe the `_CDNS_` also fixes the issue for the SRAMs.
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## message-1435000067181252788
**2025-11-03T20:17:57.028+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Awesome video from @Matt Venn and Nanik Adnani who made some analog designs on gf180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVejMrkV-Bk
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---
## message-1435004990002303177
**2025-11-03T20:37:30.72+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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I changed the behavior of magic some revisions ago (after our discussion about the problem) to automatically seed the GDS reader with `flatglob "*_CDNS_*"` so that this would be taken care of by default for anyone with a sufficiently new version of magic. But I don't think that will solve the issue with the SRAMs, because the "CDNS" string is a result of using Cadence pcells, and the SRAM module cells are not pcells.
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---
## message-1435006043103957002
**2025-11-03T20:41:41.799+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Good to know! Then I can remove that flatglob.
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## message-1435055433516712027
**2025-11-03T23:57:57.391+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) - Any recommendation on how much memory the server needs to run the checks?
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---
## message-1435056243466305696
**2025-11-04T00:01:10.498+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@everyone - If people aren't already - I highly recommend signing up for the wafer.space GF180MCU Run 1 Crowd Supply campaign @ https://www.crowdsupply.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-run-1
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## message-1435056541920395364
**2025-11-04T00:02:21.655+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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16 x SRAM 512x8 SP?
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## message-1435056894682206341
**2025-11-04T00:03:45.76+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1435056994263498772
**2025-11-04T00:04:09.502+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1435057839604371517
**2025-11-04T00:07:31.047+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Could easily fit that much total, yeah
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## message-1435057889621311600
**2025-11-04T00:07:42.972+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1435057889621311600`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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But I think I will continue to rely on external memory for most things.
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## message-1435058432364511332
**2025-11-04T00:09:52.372+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1435058432364511332`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
- Nickname: Brian Swetland
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I'm definitely interested in this, but it's a little outside of my hobbyist budget at the moment (especially for pre-ordering when I don't have a specific design pretty far along). Keeping an eye on it, but unlikely to be in on this first run. Feedback, if useful: (a) It'd be useful to have details on the COB option (specific sizes, number of pads, etc), and (b) a partial COB option (like 30-100 or so parts) that would allow one to pursue packaging for the rest if results are good, or (c) a packaged option (QFN or the like) would make things a bit more appealing to this particular hobbyist.
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## message-1435062021627576370
**2025-11-04T00:24:08.119+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1435062021627576370`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I also wanna add that the magic DRC check taking dozens of gigabytes of RAM to run on the top-level is not good since not everyone has that. Even if that particular step is skipped, the rest of the flow needs enough RAM to where my laptop is struggling. And when it comes to hobbyists, these are the kinds of devices people are using.
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## message-1435062881107312831
**2025-11-04T00:27:33.035+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1435062881107312831`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : You might consider crowdsourcing additional Tiny Tapeout runs at Tiny Tapeout prices? I think you are better off aiming at getting many users at $100 to $200 each than indivduals putting up $7000 a run. I would certainly put $200 down on a lark, but I'm not going to spend $7000 unless I have something obvious in mind to do with it.
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## message-1435062888938209331
**2025-11-04T00:27:34.902+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1435062888938209331`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
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doh. Might be time to finally upgrade the lunix workstation. 32GB is kinda weak these days I guess ^^
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## message-1435063233978564630
**2025-11-04T00:28:57.166+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm hoping that when TT has finished porting that will definately be what happens.
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## message-1435063387133317270
**2025-11-04T00:29:33.681+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1435063387133317270`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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@Brian Swetland / @Tim Edwards - You can also sign up for the updates even if you don't buy anything.
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## message-1435063430955401287
**2025-11-04T00:29:44.129+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1435063430955401287`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
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something mid-way between TT and a full dedicated wafer space run in cost, number of parts, and area might be interesting too.
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## message-1435063988605161502
**2025-11-04T00:31:57.083+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
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I feel like there are probably viable price steps around $500 or $1000 or so for folks interested in something a bit more than a single part on an eval board of TT but not quite as big a commitment as $7000-8500 for 1K parts of their own
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## message-1435064068959506577
**2025-11-04T00:32:16.241+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1435064068959506577`
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@Tholin : If anyone wants to help track down _why_ magic is taking dozens of gigabytes of RAM, I can work on thinking of ways to mitigate the resource problem. It really should not be that bad. A number of methods were written (including by me) without consideration of how resources might blow up, and even when that goal is kept in mind, it's not always clear how badly some random subroutine is going to scale. From time to time I work on those issues, but recently I've been doing more PDK work and much of the magic development has been quick fixes and additions for problems that crop up when onboarding a new process. The "quick fixes" are often responsible for the resource hogging because I was trying to solve a problem quickly and just put down what came to mind without thinking about it too deeply.
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## message-1435065143116562464
**2025-11-04T00:36:32.34+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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**Content**
```text
@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : The $500 range is good for a "Chipalooza test chip" type design; those had about 14 slots for dedicated analog designs, all power gated (and $500 x 14 = $7000, conveniently). I've been wanting to run something like that on GF but I don't have any structure set up for advertising it.
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## message-1435066006555856967
**2025-11-04T00:39:58.2+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1435066006555856967`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
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No matter how you slice it, it's very exciting to see ASIC design heading into viability for hobbyists, small shops, etc, the way PCB and FPGA stuff previously has. Not just the more affordable shuttle runs, but the open toolchain.
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## message-1435066178492960839
**2025-11-04T00:40:39.193+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1435066178492960839`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : Also I don't know how much CrowdSupply works like KickStarter but I'm willing to bet that if you had a $50 entry for just supporting the whole project and getting back some small token piece of swag, you would get a lot of takers.
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## message-1435067120307404800
**2025-11-04T00:44:23.739+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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If there was an interesting project in the run that was open source (or at least open documentation), a support tier for $50-100ish for like 2-3 COB parts of that particular project, under a "can't guarantee it'll work, but you get an artifact and it *might* work" disclaimer might be a worthwhile "support the run" sort of thing
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## message-1435068804484042772
**2025-11-04T00:51:05.278+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm 100% supportive of people organising that type of thing.
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## message-1435069069320650856
**2025-11-04T00:52:08.42+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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One of the primary reason Crowd Supply is interested is that they would like people to use Crowd Supply to raise for their own projects that use wafer.space silicon.
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## message-1435069571865378816
**2025-11-04T00:54:08.236+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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Makes sense. Suppose that could take the form of a template/example project of a TT style interconnect and sub-project-select interface that folks wanting to do so could easily integrate.
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**2025-11-04T00:54:40.294+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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oh, interesting! Yeah that would be cool to see.
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## message-1435070031586132059
**2025-11-04T00:55:57.842+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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IE If you are crowd funding a device which is a few hundred dollars and get a few hundred orders, it's reasonable to do a wafer.space run or two.
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## message-1435070690402373745
**2025-11-04T00:58:34.916+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Crowd Supply also offers a pathway to getting your stuff listed on Mouser
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## message-1435071602911088762
**2025-11-04T01:02:12.475+00:00 — aedancullen**
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- Edited: 2025-11-04T02:07:27.135+00:00
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@Tholin (or others) - I have a machine (Ryzen 9950X3D, 128GB DDR5) which I was thinking I could give out a few accounts on, for people needing ways to run their stuff. Let me know if this would be helpful for you
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## message-1435071790446805043
**2025-11-04T01:02:57.187+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Sadly my machines which have >128gb memory are in a shipping container
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## message-1435075083671703562
**2025-11-04T01:16:02.353+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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AWS also works
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## message-1435080201108459684
**2025-11-04T01:36:22.445+00:00 — dshadoff**
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That's a great point. I hope it is added as an option. I don't have anything I can fab at this time, but I want to make sure it continues to be available
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## message-1435198559136907347
**2025-11-04T09:26:41.198+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Or use any leftover slots to tape out chip design people might be interested in buying and make the money back that way.
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**2025-11-05T11:36:39.92+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I had hope to do something like that, but need to have some designs people want to buy first
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## message-1435594496829165620
**2025-11-05T11:40:00.1+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1435594496829165620`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I can’t really offer much. I *could* do what I did with the AS2650v2, but with a RISC-V or other architecture that actually has C compiler support.
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## message-1435594669831618631
**2025-11-05T11:40:41.347+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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But that’s all I can think off
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## message-1435595935659986984
**2025-11-05T11:45:43.144+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1435595935659986984`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Bunnie was suggesting exploring silicon capacitors -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ahoCTmPvKExYtk3qqxvjMpnq5XOcIQvVWMF84zgi82k/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.90mbdw45v39k
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## message-1435599314670850180
**2025-11-05T11:59:08.763+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I am also experimenting with analog
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## message-1435599503343226940
**2025-11-05T11:59:53.746+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1435599503343226940`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Especially since we can do high-frequency analog stuff inside an IC
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## message-1435599521416740997
**2025-11-05T11:59:58.055+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1435599521416740997`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I want to make a chip that just has a bunch of analog gadgets on it
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## message-1435599543600287835
**2025-11-05T12:00:03.344+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But I’m still experimenting.
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## message-1435600614485917726
**2025-11-05T12:04:18.663+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1435600614485917726`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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There is of course @peterkinget 's Mosbius too
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## message-1435804957268770928
**2025-11-06T01:36:17.779+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1435804957268770928`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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See https://github.com/fossi-foundation/frigate_analog. Basically a field-programmable analog array with DACs, ADCs, instrumentation amplifiers, temperature sensor, etc., etc. Hard to port from sky130 to another process, but I would like to do that for GF180MCU and IHP sg13g2 eventually.
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## message-1436157586192728074
**2025-11-07T00:57:31.066+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1436157586192728074`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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By the way, I am now actively working on a 3.3V SRAM macro. A bit of detective work which is a combination of ripping the DUALGATE layer off of the existing SRAMs and squeezing the transistors down to minimum length with the same W/L as the 5V cells have, and squeezing out additional space according to the published 3.3V SRAM design rules.
My estimate from working on the main core SRAM cell is that a 512kB block will be 255um x 285um vs. 430um x 485um for the existing 5V SRAM 512kB macro. That's approximately 1/3 the area.
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## message-1436186116788326441
**2025-11-07T02:50:53.29+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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**Content**
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sky130's mpw_precheck has an oeb check to verify that the gpio connections make sense.
Like:
- If the gpio output is connected, then oeb should not be fixed high.
- If the gpio input is connected, the gpio should be in input mode.
- etc.
Does wafer.space need anything similar?
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**2025-11-07T04:42:52.103+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1436250513648652312
**2025-11-07T07:06:46.698+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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**2025-11-07T07:11:59.197+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1436287667083022388
**2025-11-07T09:34:24.767+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1436287667083022388`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I’m slowly getting better at throwing together these multi-project dies. Come a long way since my first one on GFMPW-1. Optimizing multiplexer timing right now.
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## message-1436287790605406318
**2025-11-07T09:34:54.217+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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And at this point, I understand it good enough that I can automate it, I think.
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## message-1436287998915379220
**2025-11-07T09:35:43.882+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its definitely possible to auto-generate the multiplexer RTL from some config files specifying each design.
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## message-1436288452537745418
**2025-11-07T09:37:32.034+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The big thing with my setup is that any lines going to the pads, be it outputs or output enables or anything like that, have any constant values optimized. If a io_oe value, for instance, is fixed at 0, instead of that being implemented in the project macro, routed on the top-level to the multiplexer where it then passes through standard cells to the output, the constant is instead resolved inside the multiplexer RTL to remove all that overhead.
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## message-1436288480685588633
**2025-11-07T09:37:38.745+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yielding better top-level density and timings.
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## message-1436288637137584138
**2025-11-07T09:38:16.046+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1436288653344374875
**2025-11-07T09:38:19.91+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Like this
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## message-1436288765005140011
**2025-11-07T09:38:46.532+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Actually, this may be a better example
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## message-1436289030605115392
**2025-11-07T09:39:49.856+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1436289030605115392`
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- Edited: 2025-11-07T09:40:36.866+00:00
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So its not as easy as generating a case-block where each entry is
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5'hxx: begin
io_oe_sel = designname_oe;
io_out_sel = designname_out;
io_cs_sel = designname_cs;
etc
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## message-1436289090621538304
**2025-11-07T09:40:04.165+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Still, I think this is automatable with enough effort.
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## message-1436289376933122079
**2025-11-07T09:41:12.427+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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This is a really good setup for sharing die space between a low number of designs, like 4 or 5
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## message-1436289482100969532
**2025-11-07T09:41:37.501+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Its, like, in-between TinyTapeout and utilizing the full die.
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## message-1436289710778617947
**2025-11-07T09:42:32.022+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I could get to work on this if there is demand for a automatic, small-scale multi-project setup.
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## message-1436324641802158143
**2025-11-07T12:01:20.227+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Tholin - Offer still stands to put Avalon on the wafer.space design-help page -- maybe it could be focused on "help groups share multiple designs in one slot" type thing?
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## message-1436324788841877546
**2025-11-07T12:01:55.284+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1436324788841877546`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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I mean, I at the very least have a LOAD of reference designs.
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## message-1436324809188442225
**2025-11-07T12:02:00.135+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Soon even analog stuff
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## message-1436324926335484079
**2025-11-07T12:02:28.065+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1436324926335484079`
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Also, might be worth mentioning in the profile update that @Andrew Wingate is doing for me?
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## message-1436325530638094457
**2025-11-07T12:04:52.142+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Sure!
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## message-1436325871710638203
**2025-11-07T12:06:13.46+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1436325871710638203`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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Unfortunately, time is tight for me now, so I will definitely not get started on an automated multi-project setup until after december.
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## message-1436327264252854292
**2025-11-07T12:11:45.468+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I mean a "contact Tholin if you are interested in XYZ" type thing?
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## message-1436331396762308728
**2025-11-07T12:28:10.735+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1436331396762308728`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Probably not. That sounds like it could easily become too stressful on me.
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## message-1436333569562906666
**2025-11-07T12:36:48.771+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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I don't know if @Leo Moser (mole99) is planning to port greyhound, but something like that on a breakout would be interesting for me to buy as a hobbyist. Mosbius too.
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## message-1436333695286906930
**2025-11-07T12:37:18.746+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1436333695286906930`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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My next multi-project die is going to include a few things for homebrew computer builders.
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## message-1436336729710923819
**2025-11-07T12:49:22.209+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I won't be porting Greyhound just yet, but I'll start with an FPGA. Just need to find the time for it while preparing the reticle :)
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## message-1436351527626342431
**2025-11-07T13:48:10.307+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1436351527626342431`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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**Content**
```text
I’m thinking - arranging the macros of my multi-project die is a bit tedious to make sure there is enough spacing. I extended my padout graphic generator to also draw the macros, but even then, its a lot of tweaking values in the config and re-running the generator until I happen to get it right.
But I wonder if I could turn the padout generator into an interactive UI where you can click and drag the macros with your mouse?
```
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## message-1436372984087449691
**2025-11-07T15:13:25.926+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Does magic not automatically generate a PR_bndry when streaming out GDSII? It didn’t for one of my analog macros.
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## message-1436376214037070006
**2025-11-07T15:26:16.006+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1436376214037070006`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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In any case, setting the bounding box manually works and I now have DACs in my submission.
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## message-1436380855458074745
**2025-11-07T15:44:42.607+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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you need the FIXED_BBOX property and then it will.
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## message-1436383489149898772
**2025-11-07T15:55:10.528+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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```
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## message-1436383590064848968
**2025-11-07T15:55:34.588+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1436383590064848968`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I just add DACs to this column as I need them
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## message-1436383827529568348
**2025-11-07T15:56:31.204+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1436383827529568348`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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The outputs are not wired up to the analog pads yet because something broke and I’m still trying to figure it out.
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## message-1436384650200350761
**2025-11-07T15:59:47.344+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1436384650200350761`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I am going to create a layout for an op-amp next. Already have a schematic for it. I wanna use op-amps inside one of my peripherals, but I’ll also wire one straight to three analog pads for testing.
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## message-1436385228879958137
**2025-11-07T16:02:05.312+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1436385228879958137`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I also wanna see if I can generate a VGA signal, but using actual analog outputs for the colors.
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## message-1436386068747518203
**2025-11-07T16:05:25.552+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1436386068747518203`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Definitely need some big drivers if you're planning direct drive. Each color signal is ~ 14 mA peak. 🙂
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## message-1436386349895909448
**2025-11-07T16:06:32.583+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1436386349895909448`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Probably not that. We’ll see.
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## message-1436533234761732137
**2025-11-08T01:50:12.664+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1436533234761732137`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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- Edited: 2025-11-08T01:50:22.662+00:00
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@ᵖʳᵒᵖᵖʸ - See @Tholin's multi-project stuff above.
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## message-1436736641468338247
**2025-11-08T15:18:28.602+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
- Message ID: `1436736641468338247`
- Author ID: `351484320432521226`
- Nickname: Leon
- User name: .leonmc
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-08T15:19:15.753+00:00
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How likely is it that the first run actually happens? The Crowdsupply page shows only 13% funding, and the announcement about reaching out if you're planning to buy a slot makes it seem like it's currently unlikely to happen?
And if that were the case, would there be another attempt at a later date, or would that be the end of wafer.space?
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## message-1436760723593105510
**2025-11-08T16:54:10.228+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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## message-1436923280253784094
**2025-11-09T03:40:06.756+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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@Leon - The run will 100% be happening
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## message-1436923529239986329
**2025-11-09T03:41:06.119+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Leon - I'm committed to running atleast two GF180MCU runs
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## message-1436923990944907285
**2025-11-09T03:42:56.198+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Getting enough people purchasing slots is important to getting us beyond these first two runs
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## message-1436985054059303003
**2025-11-09T07:45:34.779+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
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- Author ID: `351484320432521226`
- Nickname: Leon
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That's really great to hear, but it might be useful to clarify that on the website somewhere? Usually when a crowdfunding goal isn't reached, that means the project doesn't happen, so the "13% funded" on the Crowdsupply page might be deterring people from making plans to use wafer.space? (I'm just guessing though, I know very little about chip design and am just an interested spectator hoping for your success.)
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## message-1437020939639586939
**2025-11-09T10:08:10.568+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
- Type: `Default`
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It’s a bit different to a normal crowdfund because the thing you’re buying is only worth something if you’ve completed a design yourself. Doing that will take weeks and most people wouldn’t have started until after the start of the campaign. So it makes sense that most of the purchases will come in at the last minute.
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## message-1437028403764134028
**2025-11-09T10:37:50.154+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
- Message ID: `1437028403764134028`
- Author ID: `351484320432521226`
- Nickname: Leon
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- Edited: 2025-11-09T10:39:18.192+00:00
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> So it makes sense that most of the purchases will come in at the last minute.
Of course, but that also means you only know if the project reaches the funding goal at the last minute. With the usual crowdfunding model (where projects without sufficient funding are cancelled), that means people have to commit to spending time and resources without knowing if they can actually have the designs produced. I imagine there are potential customers not willing to do this, for whom it would be highly relevant to know that the first two runs are certain to happen.
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## message-1437121404033040414
**2025-11-09T16:47:23.146+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1437121404033040414`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
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So, my multi-project tapeout is going to have a series of DACs on it and I wish to see if I can use three of them to generate a VGA signal directly. But I don’t wanna display just frames of solid color. Anyone have an existing VGA Demo from TT they’d be okay with me using for testing purposes?
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## message-1437124838694322206
**2025-11-09T17:01:02.033+00:00 — urish**
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Happy to contribute https://github.com/TinyTapeout/tt-logo-screensaver
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## message-1437125151656509674
**2025-11-09T17:02:16.649+00:00 — urish**
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But all TT projects are permissively licensed, so you can choose virtually any project
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## message-1437125523179569375
**2025-11-09T17:03:45.227+00:00 — urish**
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There are many cool projects from the TT08 demoscene compo: https://tinytapeout.com/competitions/demoscene-tt08-entries/
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## message-1437136511979098153
**2025-11-09T17:47:25.161+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1437136511979098153`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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That's nice and colorfull! Perfect!
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## message-1437438192897753098
**2025-11-10T13:46:11.497+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Overhauling my DAC in multiple ways right now. It doesn’t actually quite work as it is right now.
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## message-1437438312087552103
**2025-11-10T13:46:39.914+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Resistors too small. Even a buf_20 cell cannot drive the DAC as it is.
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## message-1437438396539600898
**2025-11-10T13:47:00.049+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Did an oopsie and used the wrong kind of resistor.
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## message-1437438451246039174
**2025-11-10T13:47:13.092+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its very confusing how many of them there are.
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## message-1437446763761111040
**2025-11-10T14:20:14.95+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1437446763761111040`
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Since I have a working opamp now, may as well use it. Here’s old vs. new.
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## message-1437446788910157976
**2025-11-10T14:20:20.946+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1437446788910157976`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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Previous version just used a FET
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## message-1437453816923689051
**2025-11-10T14:48:16.555+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh man, am I going to need some massive transistors in that opamp just to drive a 1Kohm load on the output.
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## message-1437457028502130800
**2025-11-10T15:01:02.255+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1437457028502130800`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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What does "number of fingers" do? If I change it from 1, nothing changes about the simulation output.
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## message-1437457299588255824
**2025-11-10T15:02:06.887+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It's in how many finger the W you indicated will be split during layout.
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## message-1437457505503412245
**2025-11-10T15:02:55.981+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh, so it doesn’t automatically multiply the W by nf?
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## message-1437457512503709737
**2025-11-10T15:02:57.65+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It does change some things subtly but it's mostly when trying to match devices or changing the capacitance and such, you wouldn't really see it much in the kind of graphs you're plotting.
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## message-1437457571383480530
**2025-11-10T15:03:11.688+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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No, the W is the total W, not the finger W.
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## message-1437457622512177244
**2025-11-10T15:03:23.878+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Ah
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## message-1437457644200792235
**2025-11-10T15:03:29.049+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Because I am trying to multiply W
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## message-1437457893422010459
**2025-11-10T15:04:28.468+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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While keeping the shape of the FET in the layout managable
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## message-1437458096426455122
**2025-11-10T15:05:16.868+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Well you can inrease nf buf you also need to increase W.
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## message-1437458098863214672
**2025-11-10T15:05:17.449+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I guess I just have to do it by hand
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## message-1437458672421699768
**2025-11-10T15:07:34.196+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Actually, it doesn’t like that
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## message-1437458944959447182
**2025-11-10T15:08:39.174+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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If the total W gets too high, it breaks.
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## message-1437462848094601236
**2025-11-10T15:24:09.754+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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The models only support a W up to a certain size. You need to change the multiplier instead.
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## message-1437468741062496418
**2025-11-10T15:47:34.747+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That’s a lot of very large transistors.
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## message-1437468763992752244
**2025-11-10T15:47:40.214+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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This is gonna take a minute
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## message-1437481195590914200
**2025-11-10T16:37:04.138+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’ve found that trying to set up my opamps as voltage followers (output connected to MINUS, source voltage into PLUS) strangely doesn’t work. But building an inverting amplifier with a little bit of gain **does.**
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## message-1437481200401911921
**2025-11-10T16:37:05.285+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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No idea why
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## message-1437481249492045904
**2025-11-10T16:37:16.989+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Don’t question the component name.
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## message-1437502969137463377
**2025-11-10T18:03:35.356+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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My main problem with that schematic is not that the op-amp is chonky (chonky is in the eye of the beholder!) but that you have some pretty high currents for an on-chip amplifier. On-chip circuits are usually meant to drive microamps, not milliamps. Driving an off-chip load does require some beefy components, but with the right amp design, you can restrict the beefy components to just the output driver, and most of the rest of the amplifier will be reasonbly small. A voltage follower is generally easier to get working than an inverting amplifier (all the drive current goes to the load), so it's probably a good idea to look closely at what's causing that configuration to fail. Finally, a current bias is much better than a voltage bias, and if it's really taking a voltage bias, then you shouldn't need a milliamp current path through your voltage divider to set it.
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## message-1437503315004096532
**2025-11-10T18:04:57.817+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tholin : Feel free to post the amplifier schematic, or a link to the project.
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## message-1437506244767121539
**2025-11-10T18:16:36.327+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Note: resistor values are not yet properly tuned, I only care about the ratios so far.
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## message-1437506282075590676
**2025-11-10T18:16:45.222+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But yeah, this is meant to drive a pad.
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## message-1437506601668841473
**2025-11-10T18:18:01.419+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I should share the schematic for the opamp sometime.
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## message-1437525050134757487
**2025-11-10T19:31:19.876+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1437543744479039609
**2025-11-10T20:45:36.955+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I also wouldn't count too much on that working like in sim. I'm not expert, but biasing the gate of mosfet with a resistor divider seems like it could yield quite a bit of process variation.
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**2025-11-10T20:47:22.016+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Why is the gate and drain of XM6 connected together ?
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**2025-11-10T20:50:41.659+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Shouldn't the model only care about the finger width and not the total width ?
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## message-1437549780170440814
**2025-11-10T21:09:35.976+00:00 — Saltypretzel (@_saltypretzel)**
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I second this. For the "adj" pin, you should definitely consider using a replica biasing scheme.
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## message-1437550174728880138
**2025-11-10T21:11:10.046+00:00 — Saltypretzel (@_saltypretzel)**
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Even if your resistors are ratiometrically designed, your mosfet threshold voltage, mobility, Cox etc... will all change under process. Since mosfets have gain, you'll have a trouble keeping the bias currents the same. across chip-chip or even from one part of the chip to another.
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## message-1437550589729833020
**2025-11-10T21:12:48.99+00:00 — Saltypretzel (@_saltypretzel)**
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the first stage of the amplifier can definitely be a lot smaller (length and width wise)... it seems like one side of the differential pair (and current mirror) is not equal to the other? These should be the same otherwise you will have systematic offset in your circuit.
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## message-1437552791689105469
**2025-11-10T21:21:33.978+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Don’t worry - I can explain all this very easily.
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## message-1437552822492205116
**2025-11-10T21:21:41.322+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I don’t know what I’m doing
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## message-1437552883108155494
**2025-11-10T21:21:55.774+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Analog stuff is so inaccessible still :flop:
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## message-1437553245097689190
**2025-11-10T21:23:22.079+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Also, yeah, I do have some weird offsets
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## message-1437555155326205952
**2025-11-10T21:30:57.513+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I played with the transistor values until the output looked good. And I simulated it across all process corners and there is very little variance.
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## message-1437716385148174397
**2025-11-11T08:11:37.698+00:00 — Ethan Mahintorabi (@ethanmahintorabi)**
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Been working on a 500x300 black and white camera, and I finally got the pixel array done. All done in gdsfactory https://github.com/njcoburn/OPENIMAGESENSOR/blob/main/test.py
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## message-1437721137974083706
**2025-11-11T08:30:30.86+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Very cool! Do I see round corners on the photodiode? Do the docs have DRC guidelines on that?
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## message-1437759086845497496
**2025-11-11T11:01:18.576+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I built a better opamp after doing some research. This one is almost rail-to-rail!
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## message-1437759278852214785
**2025-11-11T11:02:04.354+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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And will only need two big transistors.
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## message-1437759540635500677
**2025-11-11T11:03:06.768+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The other opamp I designed I may keep the non-chonky version of for internal use on the die. It has some properties that made it easier to use for building that sine wave generator I showed a long time ago.
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## message-1437778966130855976
**2025-11-11T12:20:18.167+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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It behaves okay enough under a 1Kohm output load, so I think I’ll move ahead to the layout stage with this one.
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## message-1437780325467164682
**2025-11-11T12:25:42.258+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Still a massive output stage just to drive a 1Kohm load. Am I doing this right?
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## message-1437784013464146062
**2025-11-11T12:40:21.545+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Check the size of the transistor in the IOs. They can drive a 1kohm load with no problem, so if you're bigger than they are, you're doing something wrong.
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## message-1437784540511867032
**2025-11-11T12:42:27.203+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Also post the new internal schematic of your op amp.
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## message-1437785005819433030
**2025-11-11T12:44:18.141+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh, right
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## message-1437785150174924810
**2025-11-11T12:44:52.558+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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It looks a little weird on the right, having duplicated the transistors in the schematic. But its so that importing the SPICE into magic generates the transistors how I want them.
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## message-1437785913450303642
**2025-11-11T12:47:54.537+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Since this thing at least works really good in this configuration, I do wonder if a IO pad structure specifically meant for analog output that contains this circuit would be something people would want to use. It just takes whatever analog signal comes in and boosts it to be able to drive 1kohm loads. (and inverts it, but that can be solved with a second opamp).
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## message-1437786244141813862
**2025-11-11T12:49:13.38+00:00 — Valgamaa (@valgamaa)**
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I don't know the tools you are using, but many of them will let you get multiple instances in the same way by using InstanceName to get N+1 instances of the transistor in the netlist and layout. I would try it in the schematic then check the netlist to see if it works in your toolchain.
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## message-1437786466649636915
**2025-11-11T12:50:06.43+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I can do this, but it stacks the transistors in a way I don’t like.
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## message-1437786751975428262
**2025-11-11T12:51:14.457+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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So I think one issue might also be expecting it to be rail to rail using that architecture. Inherently that basic op-amp can never be and maybe you're massively oversizing the transistor to get it closer to rail and compensate for a fundamental limit of the architecture.
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## message-1437786815225528463
**2025-11-11T12:51:29.537+00:00 — Valgamaa (@valgamaa)**
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What might also be worth investigating is using shorter cascoded transistors. Shorter channels will give the same gm with shorter widths, and the cascode will raise the output impedance with lower Vds
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## message-1437787044272144425
**2025-11-11T12:52:24.146+00:00 — Valgamaa (@valgamaa)**
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With this process you can also probably interdigitate the two transistors for a very compact layout.
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## message-1437787071422140580
**2025-11-11T12:52:30.619+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh, yeah, I stopped making the transistors larger when I hit an area of diminishing returns. But if I make them any smaller, there is a big difference in the output still.
What is nice is that its effectively rail-to-rail when used internally, not to drive an output pad.
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## message-1437787790694940733
**2025-11-11T12:55:22.107+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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See how this for instance use symmetrical Nmos/Pmos input pairs and then combine them to increase the range : https://www.xschem-viewer.com/?file=https://github.com/htfab/flash-adc/blob/main/xschem/opamp.sch Obviously this is single stage so you'd still need to drive a power stage instead.
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## message-1437788035566534861
**2025-11-11T12:56:20.489+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That xschem viewer doesn’t work on firefox
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**2025-11-11T12:56:56.61+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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https://github.com/htfab/flash-adc/blob/main/xschem/opamp.sch then 🙂
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That is for increased input common-mode range (as needed in a unity-gain non-inverting amplifier), but doesn't do anything for output swing.
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## message-1437788909911412736
**2025-11-11T12:59:48.949+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Oh yeah, I thought it was setup as a non-inverting buffer to buffer the R2R output, my bad. Rechecking the way it's used, it's indeed inverting and will mainain both input at mid range.
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## message-1437789330226679839
**2025-11-11T13:01:29.16+00:00 — Valgamaa (@valgamaa)**
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Although if the intention is to produce a general-purpose op-amp, then it is a point worth considering in the design.
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## message-1437802764154441828
**2025-11-11T13:54:52.058+00:00 — Saltypretzel (@_saltypretzel)**
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Given you have two gain stages now with the diff amp, you have 3 poles which could be close to each other… make sure everything is stable when you build it with feedback too
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## message-1437805756203270205
**2025-11-11T14:06:45.418+00:00 — Saltypretzel (@_saltypretzel)**
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Oh never mind, they seem to be in parallel… regardless it is still something to consider
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## message-1437825959582634095
**2025-11-11T15:27:02.279+00:00 — Ethan Mahintorabi (@ethanmahintorabi)**
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The docs do not have drc guidance on that, but it didn't trigger any rules so I assume it's okay. The nwell is 5x5um so I assume it's large enough to not matter
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## message-1437829812604375061
**2025-11-11T15:42:20.911+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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It might be okay, it might also be a missing check :)
I only found the following in [3.0 Layout Information](https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_03.html):
> 3.6 Only 90 deg and 45 deg bends are allowed for poly and metal lines.
So I assume that for nwell round coners are okay (as long as all points are on-grid).
If you have a complete chip layout, please let me know and I can already include it in the reticle to send to GF for early feedback.
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## message-1437830249072038058
**2025-11-11T15:44:04.973+00:00 — Ethan Mahintorabi (@ethanmahintorabi)**
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Do you need a full pad frame with density fill or can I just send you a gds with the pixel array fitting into the die area
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## message-1437831021558104075
**2025-11-11T15:47:09.148+00:00 — Ethan Mahintorabi (@ethanmahintorabi)**
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Or I could just send you some rounded nwell
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## message-1437880389090676846
**2025-11-11T19:03:19.285+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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this looks amazing! have you been doing simulations to check functionality, or just YOLO'ing it? And if yes, how? That's the part that I really stumbled on when thinking about doing an imager 🙂
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## message-1437891466335883385
**2025-11-11T19:47:20.306+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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@Andrew Wingate Great post, Andrew! https://www.crowdsupply.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-run-1/updates/chip-on-board
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## message-1437898159140638894
**2025-11-11T20:13:55.995+00:00 — Ethan Mahintorabi (@ethanmahintorabi)**
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## message-1437904640539754581
**2025-11-11T20:39:41.281+00:00 — urish**
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## message-1437974668605915218
**2025-11-12T01:17:57.273+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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All I did was try to include my opamp in another circuit and magic went and reset the positions of the transistors AND saved the changes to the .mag file without asking for confirmation. Why? Why did magic just destroy my work?
```
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## message-1437995326140322002
**2025-11-12T02:40:02.413+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1437995326140322002`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1437995326140322002
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I guess you can blame me for that one. the SPICE import function is supposed to be re-entrant, letting you add, subtract, or change devices without messing with the existing layout. Apparently that doesn't work?
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## message-1438464460477042792
**2025-11-13T09:44:12.755+00:00 — Noritsuna Imamura (@noritsunaimamura)**
- Message ID: `1438464460477042792`
- Author ID: `754661674145022032`
- Nickname: Noritsuna Imamura
- User name: noritsunaimamura
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-13T09:50:31.259+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1438464460477042792
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2025-11/2025-11.json
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Hi, All.
We, ISHI-KAI( https://ishi-kai.org/links ), are a community that promotes open source PDK & EDA in Japan.
This time, we brought together 14 novice semiconductor designers (most of whom were new to semiconductor design), each of whom created an analog circuit, such as an Inverter or OPAMP, ADC, PLL, BGR, CS, made using xschem & klayout with P-Cells for Wafer.Space GF180MCU .
All schematics and layouts are released under an open source license.
- Our Project
https://github.com/ishi-kai/ISHI-KAI_Multiple_Projects_WaferSapce-GF180-1
This is the development environment for analog circuits we used for Wafer.Space.
Feel free to use it if needed.
- WSL Image
https://www.noritsuna.jp/download/ubuntu2404_waferspace_2025.zip
ID:ishikai
Pass:ishikai
- How to Setup
Execute on the Windows command line
> cd [Unzipped directory]
> wsl --import-in-place ubuntu2404_waferspace_2025 .\ubuntu2404_waferspace_2025\ext4.vhdx
- How to Use
Execute on the Windows
Double-click ubuntu2404_waferspace_2025.lnk
- How to Delete
Execute on the Windows command line
> cd [Unzipped directory]
> wsl --unregister ubuntu2404_waferspace_2025
- How to Run precheck
Execute on the WSL command line
> cd ~/tools/gf180mcu-precheck/
> nix-shell
> export PDK=gf180mcuD
> export PDK_ROOT=gf180mcu
> python3 precheck.py --input [GDS file] --top [Top Cell Name]
- Setup script for xschem & ngspice, magic, KLayout fo Wafer.Spice GF180 of Analog on Local WSL&Ubuntu&MacOS
https://github.com/ishi-kai/OpenEDA-PDK_SetupScript
- How to Setup
> git clone https://github.com/ishi-kai/OpenEDA-PDK_SetupScript
> bash eda-setup.sh
> bash pdk_gf180-setup.sh
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## message-1438471281803792465
**2025-11-13T10:11:19.086+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1438644750696710156
**2025-11-13T21:40:37.293+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1438645651440402624
**2025-11-13T21:44:12.047+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh! I can use this as the analog output VGA demo on my multi-project die.
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## message-1438856246944862319
**2025-11-14T11:41:01.928+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1438856246944862319`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Once I am no longer busy preparing a chip layout for the december tapeout, I am planning to spend the following months (while the fab is busy) on two things. Firstly, my custom 3.3V standard cells (including IO pad structures for 3.3V IO). Secondly, a general-purpose, easy to use toolset for creating multi-project dies. I want to make it as simple as defining a project list in a CSV and dropping it plus the source RTL for each project into a repository template, and the whole multiplexer and top-level setup is auto-generated. It would not be as advanced as TinyTapeout, but more dynamic. Better for when the die is only to be split 4 or 5 ways, with each project having a variable size, so you can do crazy splits like a 3 project die where 90% of available area goes to to project #1 and 5% to #2 and #3 each.
For bonus points, I may create a GUI for managing the project list, settings and macro arrangement.
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## message-1438976786343002213
**2025-11-14T19:40:00.76+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
- Message ID: `1438976786343002213`
- Author ID: `492702620759228416`
- Nickname: Matt Venn
- User name: mattvenn
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1438976786343002213
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It's old and unmaintained but maybe there are some ideas you can take from my old https://github.com/mattvenn/multi_project_tools
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## message-1438998983879164097
**2025-11-14T21:08:13.065+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Another CrowdSupply post. This time featuring @Tholin
https://www.crowdsupply.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-run-1/updates/tholin-feature
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## message-1439005839510995149
**2025-11-14T21:35:27.575+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1439005839510995149`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1439005839510995149
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I got distracted and accidentally created https://discord.wafer.space archive of the discord server
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## message-1439729953649197289
**2025-11-16T21:32:49.839+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1439729953649197289`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1439729953649197289
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**Content**
```text
Triangle and sine/cosine wave generators work much better with the new opamp design.
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## message-1439736245734604810
**2025-11-16T21:57:49.989+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1439736245734604810`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I wish there was time to get the NTSC color video generator demo going in time for the december tapeout, but I don’t think there is.
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## message-1439736249333321760
**2025-11-16T21:57:50.847+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Sad.
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## message-1439805978022510703
**2025-11-17T02:34:55.462+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1439805978022510703`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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**Content**
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Update: Work on the 3.3V SRAM block is progressing steadily. I was hoping to finish layout at the end of last week, but it ran over into the weekend. I now have a draft layout, DRC clean, but I have not run LVS yet (will work on that tomorrow) The design is currently about 300 x 330 um, which makes it just slightly less than 1/2 the area of the 5V SRAM. I have some room to shave off additional area from the bottom. I can probably get it down to 300 x 300, but probably don't have time to do that for this tapeout. Once I get it LVS clean, I will push the layout, netlist, and LEF. Adjusting all the timing in the liberty and verilog files will take a lot of time and effort.
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## message-1439806264702926960
**2025-11-17T02:36:03.812+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1439806264702926960
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I would post a picture but it looks just like the 5V SRAM layout from a bird's-eye view, so not really worth the effort.
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**2025-11-17T07:16:11.861+00:00 — urish**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1439921586646945792
**2025-11-17T10:14:18.706+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) How is your ground ring connected to the pads in the template ?
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## message-1439921723884568678
**2025-11-17T10:14:51.426+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1439921723884568678`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Maybe it didn't build properly for me locally but I'm looking at it and I can't find anywhere where it's attached.
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## message-1439922351054651412
**2025-11-17T10:17:20.955+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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LVS is clean, so it better be attached 😄 Let me check...
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## message-1439922431480430623
**2025-11-17T10:17:40.13+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Could be attached through substrate ...
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## message-1439922460362543166
**2025-11-17T10:17:47.016+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Oh, I see
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## message-1439922722099429447
**2025-11-17T10:18:49.419+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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It's only attached to the top and bottom ground pad 😅
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## message-1439923016149762171
**2025-11-17T10:19:59.526+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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The reason is, I made changes to the template and now `gf180mcu_fd_io__dvss` is used for all ground pads instead of my modified `gf180mcu_ws_io__dvss` which has pins on two metal layers.
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## message-1439923211201679380
**2025-11-17T10:20:46.03+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I think there should be no issue with `gf180mcu_ws_io__dvss` for both horizontal and vertical I/O rows.
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## message-1439923324036841532
**2025-11-17T10:21:12.932+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Thanks a lot for alerting me!
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## message-1439923438532952176
**2025-11-17T10:21:40.23+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I hadn't see the one on top and bottom because I forgot I had added those in the padframe 😅
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## message-1439924347128254495
**2025-11-17T10:25:16.856+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Although I have my rings on Metal5 / Metal4 so I'm not sure how that's going to help me 😅
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**2025-11-17T10:25:46.093+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yeah, that's another issue 😅
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## message-1439997402370150541
**2025-11-17T15:15:34.583+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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Crunched all weekend...I think I just might make the tapeout deadline! need to add more tests to the bootloader and uart interface, but if I can convince myself that's working my entry is probably ship'able whenever 🤞
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## message-1439998537478701252
**2025-11-17T15:20:05.214+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Feel free to ask if you get stuck at any point in the process.
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## message-1439999129735397456
**2025-11-17T15:22:26.419+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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thanks! might take you up on that once I start integrating into the project template 🙂
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## message-1440291245162496181
**2025-11-18T10:43:12.164+00:00 — urish**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1440395707495350282
**2025-11-18T17:38:17.925+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Important notice regarding the foundry SRAM models ‼️
If you're as innocent as me, you might think that the meaning of the SRAM control signals is as follows:
- CEN = Chip Enable
- GWEN = Global Write Enable
- WEN = Write Enable
Far from it! The real meaning is actually:
- CEN = Chip Enable Negative
- GWEN = Global Write Enable Negative
- WEN = Write Enable Negative
All of the control signals need to be negated. (I would have preferred CEB, GWEB and WEB...)
Another pitfall: in order for the SRAM model to work, it needs to see a falling edge on CEN. Therefore, you cannot start the simulation with CEN low.
Thank you for your attention 😄
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## message-1440397611164111052
**2025-11-18T17:45:51.795+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Oh that's just mean.
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## message-1440399820283183165
**2025-11-18T17:54:38.49+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1440399820283183165`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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( @BreakingTaps )
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## message-1440406425741557920
**2025-11-18T18:20:53.354+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1440406425741557920`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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will check my code when I get home, cheers for the note!
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## message-1440475320095342754
**2025-11-18T22:54:39.048+00:00 — nxmq99**
- Message ID: `1440475320095342754`
- Author ID: `228329196504481793`
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this is diabolical, these signals were clearly named by someone who got paid off by Big ECO
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## message-1440478573029888061
**2025-11-18T23:07:34.608+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1440478573029888061`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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This is normal, wait til you see pads where the output data is called `I`
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## message-1440478748804780295
**2025-11-18T23:08:16.516+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1440478748804780295`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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as in `I`nto the pad (going out of the chip)
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## message-1440500631646371941
**2025-11-19T00:35:13.792+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1440500631646371941`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
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I ***assume*** there is no way to verify people are doing things correctly in the precheck.
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## message-1440520243217961060
**2025-11-19T01:53:09.555+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
- Message ID: `1440520243217961060`
- Author ID: `738396032295108721`
- Nickname: bailey
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell for the chipIgnite shuttle, we implemented an oeb check that would check the connections and logic values at the user - gpio interface and report discrepancies like output signals without oeb connections, output signals with high oeb etc.
Given sufficient specs, I might be able to come up with something using my CVC-RV to examine the port signals and their connections.
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## message-1440520807657898036
**2025-11-19T01:55:24.128+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1440520807657898036`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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We should probably update the IP to be named something like CE_N or something....
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## message-1440591715198177310
**2025-11-19T06:37:09.803+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Can people see/access test-platform.wafer.space?
```
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## message-1440595121602166805
**2025-11-19T06:50:41.953+00:00 — urish**
- Message ID: `1440595121602166805`
- Author ID: `732347216412278825`
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It keeps loading for a long time
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## message-1440595267433795619
**2025-11-19T06:51:16.722+00:00 — urish**
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## message-1440624504102715422
**2025-11-19T08:47:27.287+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
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Another update, this time featuring @peterkinget and Mosbius.
There's also an interesting interview posted with @Matt Venn talking about his project
https://www.crowdsupply.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-run-1/updates/mosbius
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## message-1440673962127523910
**2025-11-19T12:03:58.999+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Looking forward!
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## message-1440790882298237082
**2025-11-19T19:48:34.94+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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**Content**
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I have a perfectly working layout for a fast DAC now. So why not make an NTSC video generator?
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## message-1440791165904359467
**2025-11-19T19:49:42.557+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Literally 20 lines of RTL
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## message-1440791172363849945
**2025-11-19T19:49:44.097+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Pretty cool
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## message-1440805066373337109
**2025-11-19T20:44:56.687+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - How about a 640x480 HDMI output? 😛
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## message-1440805611578069104
**2025-11-19T20:47:06.674+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Possible with the ADV7513
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## message-1440823868431274107
**2025-11-19T21:59:39.447+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The pixel clock for an HDMI connection at 640x480 resolution is approximately 25.175 MHz. -- 10bits per pixel makes it 250MHz needed at the I/O
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## message-1440824180831682682
**2025-11-19T22:00:53.929+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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```
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## message-1440824417855733963
**2025-11-19T22:01:50.44+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1440824501414924439
**2025-11-19T22:02:10.362+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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HDMI PMOD is 100% feasible
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## message-1440826106319081545
**2025-11-19T22:08:33.001+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - I'm very familar with those Analog Devices parts
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## message-1440827531984109738
**2025-11-19T22:14:12.906+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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for 60 Hz it's exactly 25.2 MHz -- for some reason the NTSC colour subcarrier -0.1% thing has made its way into digital standards too
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## message-1440827713890811934
**2025-11-19T22:14:56.276+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Simple DDR out running at 126 MHz would do it, the problem is just the pad libraries and the clock source 😅
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## message-1440827850532982796
**2025-11-19T22:15:28.854+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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you can drive 252 Mbps with a clean eye mask with just a 3.3V CMOS push/pull GPIO on a microcontroller and a 270 ohm resistor to set the current level
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## message-1440828116884000828
**2025-11-19T22:16:32.357+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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I'm also interested in your NTSC DAC as I'm making a games console 🙂 roughly GBA-competitive in terms of graphics and CPU
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## message-1440828177986490389
**2025-11-19T22:16:46.925+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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would be awesome to play on a CRT
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## message-1440828425316204625
**2025-11-19T22:17:45.893+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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(it's just 800 x 525 x 60 = 25.2e6)
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## message-1440873365320630394
**2025-11-20T01:16:20.425+00:00 — nxmq99**
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i'm also interested in the NTSC logic for game console reasons, I'm working on an NES clone atm
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## message-1440884628884819968
**2025-11-20T02:01:05.868+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/ws-submission-2025/blob/main/macros/NTSCTest/src/ntsc.v
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## message-1441048676746264676
**2025-11-20T12:52:57.926+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Ooh so the DAC is R2R with current steering through the 2Rs? I never looked into how DACs are actually implemented before, that's very cool
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## message-1441048929260011590
**2025-11-20T12:53:58.13+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Would be great for VGA too. We're a bit too pad-limited for external ladder DACs.
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## message-1441049055969939456
**2025-11-20T12:54:28.34+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Annoyed I already assigned all my pads to digital IOs
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## message-1441049187264364594
**2025-11-20T12:54:59.643+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I am going to test if its good for VGA also
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## message-1441049222131748926
**2025-11-20T12:55:07.956+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Though right now I am still battling LibreLane
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## message-1441049253639094454
**2025-11-20T12:55:15.468+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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It is refusing to route the outputs of the DACs to the analog pads.
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## message-1441049392059777144
**2025-11-20T12:55:48.47+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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LibreLane: "it's not a one or a zero therefore it cannot hurt me."
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## message-1441082372517789756
**2025-11-20T15:06:51.624+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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This is weird. My analog pads aren’t being routed, but the netlist that comes out of detailed routing claims they are connected.
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## message-1441083186225348650
**2025-11-20T15:10:05.627+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) Are the analog pads getting routed in the unmodified template?
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## message-1441085921129660587
**2025-11-20T15:20:57.679+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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@Tholin The template does not connect the analog pads to anything. So no, they aren't routed.
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## message-1441086608463102022
**2025-11-20T15:23:41.552+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Ah
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## message-1441086611621412957
**2025-11-20T15:23:42.305+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Well
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## message-1441086641933385810
**2025-11-20T15:23:49.532+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441086641933385810`
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I am connecting them to something and they still don’t route.
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## message-1441086707993940111
**2025-11-20T15:24:05.282+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Triggering an obvious LVS error
```
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## message-1441087990381154516
**2025-11-20T15:29:11.027+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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In the worst case, you could hardcode the port types as inputs and outputs. A proper solution would of course be better. I haven't tried to route `inout` ports yet, maybe you need to convince OpenROAD's GRT/DRT in some way to do that.
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## message-1441104483005370578
**2025-11-20T16:34:43.175+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Already tried that. Actually did a lot of modifications to the PDK files to try and get it to route, but no luck.
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## message-1441109435031359652
**2025-11-20T16:54:23.83+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Is your project somehwere online we can look at ?
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## message-1441109577549484052
**2025-11-20T16:54:57.809+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/ws-submission-2025
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## message-1441111390525063329
**2025-11-20T17:02:10.056+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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You can try to use the `ef` bi IO that have the analog port added and see if it connects better to that.
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## message-1441111473123233905
**2025-11-20T17:02:29.749+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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not ideal, but if that works, at least it'll narrow the issue.
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## message-1441141582458785976
**2025-11-20T19:02:08.374+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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@Tholin So I can see the connections in the system verilog. What about the synthesized gate level verilog? Can you see the analog connections there?
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## message-1441143028487159940
**2025-11-20T19:07:53.134+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yes
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## message-1441143130001768479
**2025-11-20T19:08:17.337+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The connections are even still present in the netlist post route.
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## message-1441320217031741563
**2025-11-21T06:51:58.175+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I know a lot of people do retro stuff so they probably disagree, but I find that having the default settings of librelane be 5V instead of 3.3V is a bit annoying 😅
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## message-1441362895328776302
**2025-11-21T09:41:33.474+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I feel you. Including the libs for KianV was some work. But I would argue that the foundry-provided stdcells shouldn't really be used at 3.3V, as they are really bad for that 😄
Once we have a confirmed working 3.3V stdcell library, we can discuss setting it as the default for gf180mcu.
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## message-1441365448708063232
**2025-11-21T09:51:42.247+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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They're really not _that_ bad at 3.3V. I wouldn't use them at 1.8V even if they have specs for that, but at 3.3V they're a bit slower but still very much usable.
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## message-1441365724366110780
**2025-11-21T09:52:47.969+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Will the first run include foundry biased wafers ( ss / sf / fs / ff ) with test structures for new standard cells to allow proper validation ?
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## message-1441367443128979467
**2025-11-21T09:59:37.754+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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When I run nix-shell in the template and then magic, I expected magic to load the gf180mcuD PDK, but it instead loads with sky130A.
I cannot figure out how to get it to gracefully load the gf180mcuD PDK, so I keep having to go back to iic-osic-tools for analog layout.
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## message-1441367895186739251
**2025-11-21T10:01:25.533+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I didn't know the foundry could create biased wafers on purpose. I thought that just happens due to process variations, and the wafers are sorted afterwards based on the measurements of the test structures?
As for your question, I don't think so. First, we would need to pick a stdcell library (or more) to characterize. There is Tholin's library, for example, and the FlexCell library. I tried to PnR Staf's FlexCell library, but I had to stop at routing due to some issues. Also someone need to do the work of creating a chip with these libraries for characterization. @Tim 'mithro' Ansell no one is working on that atm, correct?
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## message-1441368077232111627
**2025-11-21T10:02:08.936+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Did you export `PDK_ROOT` and `PDK` and pass the rcfile to magic?
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## message-1441368342085763073
**2025-11-21T10:03:12.082+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) I didn't know either, I only learned about that recently. I guess they can tweak parameters and then validate using their own test structure that they hit the target and where that wafer ends up 🤷
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## message-1441368542191812723
**2025-11-21T10:03:59.791+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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magic crashes
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## message-1441368638614667447
**2025-11-21T10:04:22.78+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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No, -d OGL is what crashes it, my bad
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## message-1441369203507724428
**2025-11-21T10:06:37.461+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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We also have the problem of no 3.3V-optimized IO pads. I will create some eventually as part of my SCL, but not in less than two weeks. Next shuttle. Actually, I’ve had to pause work on my SCL so I can participate in this shuttle and have something ready in time. Sorry.
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**2025-11-21T10:07:44.365+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Don't be sorry, that's super exciting work 👏
Yeah, 3.3V I/Os would also be great!
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## message-1441370115672248422
**2025-11-21T10:10:14.938+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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magic: ## Open magic with the gf180mcuD PDK
PDK_ROOT=${PDK_ROOT} PDK=${PDK} magic -rcfile ${PDK_ROOT}/${PDK}/libs.tech/magic/gf180mcuD.magicrc
.PHONY: magic
```
This should work.
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## message-1441370677469905077
**2025-11-21T10:12:28.881+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I am cheating a bit. I took `gf180mcu_fd_io__bi_24t`, flattened some of it and just deleted the DUALGATE layer. Next step would’ve been to go through and shrink the transistor lengths, since the 3.3V transistors have a way shorter minimum length. Note that this produces a 3.3V only pad, not a pad with separate core and IO voltage supporting both.
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## message-1441370827445633059
**2025-11-21T10:13:04.638+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The biggest struggle and time-sink would be characterization.
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## message-1441370839567175763
**2025-11-21T10:13:07.528+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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TBH for IO pads, I intend to keep the 5V rated ones since 5V compat is good to keep for TT. Although I'd switch to the split core/io voltage ones of course. And speed wise they're only about 30% slower.
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## message-1441370851755688057
**2025-11-21T10:13:10.434+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I don’t think I can rely on lctime anymore.
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## message-1441370962959401063
**2025-11-21T10:13:36.947+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I like using lctime because I’ve read most of its code and understand it, but its limited and simplistic.
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## message-1441371224595890187
**2025-11-21T10:14:39.326+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1441371224595890187`
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Well, there's some talks about performance optimizations at least: https://codeberg.org/librecell/lctime/issues/38
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## message-1441389388503187599
**2025-11-21T11:26:49.939+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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You ***can*** overdope and over expose and do things like that.
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## message-1441389756557692948
**2025-11-21T11:28:17.69+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I was trying to convince Mehdi's group to do the same thing as their SKY130 test tile for GF180MCU -> https://github.com/google/skywater-pdk-sky130-raw-data/tree/main/docs/sky130-testtile-open
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## message-1441397169662857296
**2025-11-21T11:57:45.112+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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**Content**
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I wonder if the issue LibreLane has with the analog pads is that they have no separate pins for the pad and signal input. All the IO pads have a separate PAD pin in their definition, except the analog pads, which just have ASIG5V.
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## message-1441397188973563987
**2025-11-21T11:57:49.716+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m gonna experiment.
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## message-1441419091515805696
**2025-11-21T13:24:51.689+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Update: works
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## message-1441419159585161367
**2025-11-21T13:25:07.918+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441419159585161367`
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I will let this flow finish, though, to ensure there is no LVS errors left.
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## message-1441419355228340367
**2025-11-21T13:25:54.563+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441419355228340367`
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But it appears that gf180mcu_fd_io__asig_5p0 has some broken port definitions.
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## message-1441421137832710206
**2025-11-21T13:32:59.569+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Or OpenRoad has a bug that's triggered by whatever they're using 🙂
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## message-1441421318611275817
**2025-11-21T13:33:42.67+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Because looking at the LEF I didn't really see anything wrong about it 🤷
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## message-1441421873614426223
**2025-11-21T13:35:54.993+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441421873614426223`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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The mag has some weird stuff going on
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## message-1441421953855389716
**2025-11-21T13:36:14.124+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The ports that are missing the `signal bidirectional`are actually duplicates of ports that do have those parameters.
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## message-1441421978958303283
**2025-11-21T13:36:20.109+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Idk
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## message-1441422052488646667
**2025-11-21T13:36:37.64+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Removing the broken-looking ones fixed it
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## message-1441422061489754164
**2025-11-21T13:36:39.786+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The mag shouldn't be used by OpenRoad at all.
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## message-1441422127910617239
**2025-11-21T13:36:55.622+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yeah, but I generated the lef and GDSII from that mag
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## message-1441422505930653920
**2025-11-21T13:38:25.749+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh, I also added a PAD port
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## message-1441422602773073921
**2025-11-21T13:38:48.838+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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And updated the verilog and lib to reflect this
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## message-1441423065035706378
**2025-11-21T13:40:39.05+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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@Tholin if you added a PAD port to the analog io cell, wouldn't that short with the ASIG5V port?
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## message-1441423306090745926
**2025-11-21T13:41:36.522+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Yes
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## message-1441423337946349642
**2025-11-21T13:41:44.117+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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PAD and ASIG5V are still one and the same
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## message-1441423405382631454
**2025-11-21T13:42:00.195+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But *somehow* it makes a difference having both names assigned to it.
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## message-1441425758537908360
**2025-11-21T13:51:21.231+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Is your current "built" GDS somewhere ?
(The repo doesn't use github action so I can't just download what it looks like there 😅 )
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## message-1441425863160631419
**2025-11-21T13:51:46.175+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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No
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## message-1441425875181637683
**2025-11-21T13:51:49.041+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its still building
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## message-1441426007536959531
**2025-11-21T13:52:20.597+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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A github actions pipeline would fail at this time anyways because I *know* it has KLayout DRC errors in the DACs.
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## message-1441426080358600926
**2025-11-21T13:52:37.959+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I need to flatten them. It sees errors that aren’t there if you take in context from higher up in the hierarchy.
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## message-1441449286998032407
**2025-11-21T15:24:50.853+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I took that make_gds script from the wafer.space logo IP in the project template and updated it to make it more compatible with a wider range of inputs.
https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/ws-submission-2025/blob/main/silicon_art/make_gds.py
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## message-1441449344883490856
**2025-11-21T15:25:04.654+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The input image no longer has to be in a specific pixel format.
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## message-1441449443827388506
**2025-11-21T15:25:28.244+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But most importantly, I added code to automatically repair potential DRC errors.
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## message-1441449614854062161
**2025-11-21T15:26:09.02+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Most common are pixels that only touch at the corner:
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X_ _X
_X X_
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## message-1441449761743044849
**2025-11-21T15:26:44.041+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But one-pixel gaps are also filled on lower pixel sizes.
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## message-1441449778721591336
**2025-11-21T15:26:48.089+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The script now inserts additional pixels until all such errors are gone.
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## message-1441460450725331107
**2025-11-21T16:09:12.493+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Which is just a little hint to everyone that I’m about to have a need for converting more complex images to layouts.
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## message-1441578314665033790
**2025-11-21T23:57:33.446+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Cool!
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## message-1441578373359996978
**2025-11-21T23:57:47.44+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1441578373359996978`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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Silicon artwork?
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## message-1441578624716378193
**2025-11-21T23:58:47.368+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1441578624716378193`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Tholin - We should send some to https://www.youtube.com/c/EvilmonkeyzDesignz
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## message-1441803316819660911
**2025-11-22T14:51:38.14+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441803316819660911`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Okay, my modified analog pads do connect now, but also have a ton of DRC errors.
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## message-1441803350369636382
**2025-11-22T14:51:46.139+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Imma see if I can’t be a bit smarter about this.
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## message-1441808094760931440
**2025-11-22T15:10:37.29+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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Didn't the PULP team open source their artwork generator recently? I thought they did but I can't find it on their website
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## message-1441810662836797660
**2025-11-22T15:20:49.567+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441810662836797660`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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https://github.com/pulp-platform/artistic
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## message-1441818824084029482
**2025-11-22T15:53:15.36+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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The duplicate rlabels/ports are indeed a problem. If I don’t remove them, not only does routing fail, but the DRT has a chance of crashing.
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## message-1441819210375364788
**2025-11-22T15:54:47.459+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441819210375364788`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Edited: 2025-11-22T15:54:59.085+00:00
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I tried doing a diff of the .lef file with and without the duplicate labels and the coordinates of all the ASIG5V pins change slightly. Current theory: the duplicate ports are not exact duplicates, but slightly shifted downwards. If the lef is then written with -pinonly, only these shifted duplicates are exported, which occupy illegal positions.
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## message-1441825200973942825
**2025-11-22T16:18:35.729+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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If you're using magic for lef generation, be sure that the bounding box `FIXED_BBOX` is set.
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## message-1441825442712654067
**2025-11-22T16:19:33.364+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441825442712654067`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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It is
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## message-1442018513333125312
**2025-11-23T05:06:44.987+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1442203909320998914
**2025-11-23T17:23:26.835+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I am paranoid about the fillers messing up the silicon art, so I’ve drawn fillblock over it and duplicated the art onto every metal layer and the poly layer to provide the required density.
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## message-1442203961611517993
**2025-11-23T17:23:39.302+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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DRC passes with this, so hopefully its fine
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## message-1442210428942946498
**2025-11-23T17:49:21.234+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
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- https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1442203909320998914
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Can't wait to see this for real!!!
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## message-1442210711060086795
**2025-11-23T17:50:28.496+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1442210711060086795`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-23T17:51:04.236+00:00
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```text
This design is ~120 µm? *edit* tall?
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## message-1442211447726936115
**2025-11-23T17:53:24.131+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442211447726936115`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Its 700 by 583
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## message-1442211463354781957
**2025-11-23T17:53:27.857+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442211463354781957`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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um
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## message-1442211469994361120
**2025-11-23T17:53:29.44+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442211469994361120`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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quite big
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## message-1442211657056260208
**2025-11-23T17:54:14.039+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1442211657056260208`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
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Oh, I see what I'm looking at now. Mistook 2 scales for one
Awesome!!
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## message-1442247334388826145
**2025-11-23T20:16:00.178+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442247334388826145`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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STA is really annoying me right now. Its reporting setup violations in the 100ns violations because an active design might change the output-enable or pull resistors or something on a IO pad, which triggers a change in the pad’s outputs to the core area, which kicks of timing paths through unrelated designs, which may also change output enables which changes pad outputs which triggers changes through the designs etc. etc. and so on. It "bounces" like that for up to 5 times before coming to a stop.
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## message-1442247504673374432
**2025-11-23T20:16:40.777+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442247504673374432`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I need STA to disregard ANY timing paths that cross macro boundaries except the multiplexer.
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## message-1442247587296968847
**2025-11-23T20:17:00.476+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442247587296968847`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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```text
Only one of these will ever be active at a time and it doesn’t get that.
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## message-1442247822819987486
**2025-11-23T20:17:56.629+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442247822819987486`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I could disable STA or STA checker entirely since the setup timing analysis results are largely meaningless anyway in my use case (every design has its own fmax), but I’d like the flow to fail on hold violations.
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## message-1442247927761469632
**2025-11-23T20:18:21.649+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442247927761469632`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I’d like to ignore just setup violations, but still fail on hold violations.
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## message-1442248454142169088
**2025-11-23T20:20:27.148+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442248454142169088`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I tried `set_false_path -from [get_ports {io_oe_.*}]` and so on, but no luck.
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## message-1442248474660831383
**2025-11-23T20:20:32.04+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442248474660831383`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Or is it `set_false_path -from [get_ports {io_oe_*}]`?
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## message-1442248490351726723
**2025-11-23T20:20:35.781+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442248490351726723`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Glob or regex?
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## message-1442249954495303702
**2025-11-23T20:26:24.86+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1442249954495303702`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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- Edited: 2025-11-23T20:26:58.801+00:00
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```text
`ports` are external pads, so if you're running that on the top level, the ports are the actual pads since the top level include the IO cells.
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## message-1442250039748464761
**2025-11-23T20:26:45.186+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1442250039748464761`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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And it's glob.
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## message-1442250146149564417
**2025-11-23T20:27:10.554+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442250146149564417`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Thanks
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## message-1442250343961596024
**2025-11-23T20:27:57.716+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442250343961596024`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Actually, because I thought it was regex, it was still trying to do timing analysis on the design select pins, which I thought I had disabled.
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## message-1442250446008881327
**2025-11-23T20:28:22.046+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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You can try to grab the pins on the IO cells `[ get_pins "*pad/OE" ]` or something.
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## message-1442250473880031407
**2025-11-23T20:28:28.691+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442250473880031407`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1442250473880031407
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**Content**
```text
I just looked at the very top of the STA log and then turned that into `set_false_path -from [get_ports {design_sel_*}]`
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## message-1442250603085692928
**2025-11-23T20:28:59.496+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442250603085692928`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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I’m just matching everything to do with design selection
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## message-1442260340065697823
**2025-11-23T21:07:40.973+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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````text
If these are digital paths, something I find useful is to insert an anchor buffer in the RTL:
```
module falsepath_anchor (
input wire i,
output wire z
);
`ifdef GF180MCU
(* keep *)
gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu9t5v0__clkbuf_1 magic_falsepath_anchor_u (
.I (i),
.Z (z)
);
`else
assign z = i;
`endif
endmodule
```
and then just glob them out in the `.sdc`:
```
# Apply RTL-inserted false path constraints (setup/hold only, still constrain slew)
set_false_path -setup -hold -through [get_pins *.magic_falsepath_anchor_u/Z]
```
It's dirty but it makes the constraints a bit less fragile because you don't have to update them when hierarchy changes. Also I think paths through PD/PU can pretty much universally be falsepathed as the slew on the pad due to pulls is so slow.
````
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## message-1442287172362305588
**2025-11-23T22:54:18.291+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Record for most violations on DRT?
```
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## message-1442310301507653632
**2025-11-24T00:26:12.709+00:00 — Ethan Mahintorabi (@ethanmahintorabi)**
- Message ID: `1442310301507653632`
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Does anyone by chance have a level shifter cells for 3.3 -> 5v and vice versa. I'm about to design one to fit in the 7 track library, I can change to the 9 track though if someone already has one
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## message-1442369248352669778
**2025-11-24T04:20:26.732+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin / @Tim Edwards - You'd be the people I'd guess at being most likely to have done sometihng like the above -^
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## message-1442369355953344512
**2025-11-24T04:20:52.386+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1442369355953344512`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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- Edited: 2025-11-24T04:21:00.483+00:00
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BTW Can people access https://doc.test-platform.wafer.space ?
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## message-1442372561525801033
**2025-11-24T04:33:36.654+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1442372561525801033`
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The manufacturing checking will be deployed there very shortly.
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## message-1442375481621090335
**2025-11-24T04:45:12.859+00:00 — Ethan Mahintorabi (@ethanmahintorabi)**
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NX domain for me
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## message-1442375613578088500
**2025-11-24T04:45:44.32+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**
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Yes on IPv6, no on IPv4
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## message-1442375638769074348
**2025-11-24T04:45:50.326+00:00 — Ethan Mahintorabi (@ethanmahintorabi)**
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Also I decided I'm just going to run the whole tile at 3.3V to avoid the complexity
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## message-1442430591395041372
**2025-11-24T08:24:12.053+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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I cannot access. `DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN`
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## message-1442456438344515690
**2025-11-24T10:06:54.446+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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IPv6 only for the next few hours.
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## message-1442463153702043740
**2025-11-24T10:33:35.512+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
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Works for me. I knew configuring ipv6 would pay off 👌
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## message-1442522042040586302
**2025-11-24T14:27:35.586+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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IPv4 should now work in theory.
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## message-1442528557417889883
**2025-11-24T14:53:28.973+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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I made a level shifter for the I/O cells here: https://github.com/RTimothyEdwards/gf180mcu_ocd_io/; specifically, see https://github.com/RTimothyEdwards/gf180mcu_ocd_io/blob/main/magic/lvlshift_up.mag. However, this was designed to fit in the existing I/O cells, not the standard cells, so it's not pitch-matched to any standard cell library. To level-shift down, I generally just use a 5V inverter powered at 3.3V, although if you want it matched to a standard cell library, then the 5V rail should bias the nwell (which will be connected to other 5V standard cell nwells) and the 3.3V supply to the inverter should be a separate pin.
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## message-1442538820779249837
**2025-11-24T15:34:15.949+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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@Tim Edwards just out of curiosity, why do you recommend biasing the level-down shifter (a normally 5V inverter powered at 3.3V) at 5V?
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## message-1442539409504206848
**2025-11-24T15:36:36.312+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@bailey Well if you powered it at 5V , it would output 5V ... that wouldn't be much of a level shifter.
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## message-1442539623015256146
**2025-11-24T15:37:27.217+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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If you make an inverter out of 5V transistors but feed them 3.3V, they will wistand the 5V swing input but only output 3.3V on the output, hence shifting down from 5V -> 3.3V domain.
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## message-1442557046951247912
**2025-11-24T16:46:41.407+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
- Message ID: `1442557046951247912`
- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
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I would like to add 16KB of RAM (32 macro x SRAM 512 5V). Any advice on the layout?
*(Z80 design I am working on has a lot of free space, I want to put 16KB of RAM. That particular combinations Z80+16KB RAM is useful for fixing DRAM in old computers)*
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## message-1442587939992371263
**2025-11-24T18:49:26.882+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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@tnt Thanks for the explanation. However, I understand that. I was wondering why @Tim Edwards was recommending biasing at 5V with a 3.3V power supply.
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## message-1442588308759908382
**2025-11-24T18:50:54.803+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@bailey : Because if the level shifter is in a standard cell library and is part of a standard cell block, then the nwell will be shared with other cells biasing it to 5V.
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## message-1442589515293130853
**2025-11-24T18:55:42.463+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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Thanks @tim. So if it's in a 5V standard cell block then the bias is 5V, but if it's in a 3.3V standard cell block, a 3.3V bias is ok too, right?
Wouldn't putting a 3.3V powered 5V standard cell in a 5V standard cell row be difficult? You'd need two power rails. Do the 5V standard cells have 2 power rails?
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## message-1442635351226322975
**2025-11-24T21:57:50.601+00:00 — Ethan Mahintorabi (@ethanmahintorabi)**
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You do need two power rails which is why shifters often exist on the boundary of two power domains. Here's the LV -> HV Sky130 shifter
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## message-1442687053706825788
**2025-11-25T01:23:17.433+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@bailey : You don't need a power rail, just a power connection. It's only powering the level shifter, not an entire row of logic. In practice, all the level shifters are going to end up on the edge of the digital block, so it should be easy enough to bring a low voltage power bus close to the block and hook it up.
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## message-1442709678529319023
**2025-11-25T02:53:11.611+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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@Ethan Mahintorabi I understand that a level up shifter needs 2 power rails.
What I'm asking is why we need two power connections for an inverter implementing a level down shifter. If the cell row height is the same for low/high voltage, then the high voltage capable inverter standard cell could be placed anywhere in a low voltage standard cell layout and still work without a high voltage power connection. The only high voltage is the input signal.
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## message-1442710437614325831
**2025-11-25T02:56:12.591+00:00 — Ethan Mahintorabi (@ethanmahintorabi)**
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Sorry I misunderstood you. You're correct.
That's essentially what I'm doing but across the whole chip. Using 5V standard cells and IO, but only providing 3.3v power.
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## message-1442747916195205231
**2025-11-25T05:25:08.181+00:00 — carlfk**
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How many IO pins?
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## message-1442915978529869915
**2025-11-25T16:32:57.364+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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FYI: I have started work on a GF180MCU "openframe" design. Hopefully I will get it (and an example user project using the 3.3V logic and the 3.3V SRAM) finished in time for the tapeout.
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## message-1442918830593540097
**2025-11-25T16:44:17.349+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Tim Edwards I want to also try and submit a TT variant using the split IO so any example of how to do that will be welcome 🙂
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## message-1442921929148465162
**2025-11-25T16:56:36.102+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@tnt : I will be pushing everything to a repository as soon as I have done enough work on it that I know I won't have to replace everything wholesale on every update. Right now I have it in a half-finished state and using it as a reference would be highly misleading. Hopefully by end of day today or tomorrow I will have knocked down most of the items on my "to do" list.
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## message-1442923308772491284
**2025-11-25T17:02:05.03+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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It looks like I won’t be able to test my DACs for VGA output at their full range. TT demos only do 2 bits per channel of color depth, while the DACs are capable of 12 bits per channel.
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## message-1442923543644868639
**2025-11-25T17:03:01.028+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Though anything about 8 bits per channel would be overkill.
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## message-1442923545247355000
**2025-11-25T17:03:01.41+00:00 — urish**
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Some demos can do more
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## message-1442923839561531464
**2025-11-25T17:04:11.58+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Which ones?
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## message-1442923963041972345
**2025-11-25T17:04:41.02+00:00 — urish**
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I think @algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) had a demo for his own DAC that can do 8bpc
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## message-1442924522326982896
**2025-11-25T17:06:54.364+00:00 — urish**
- Message ID: `1442924522326982896`
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and there's a variant of the tt logo screensaver which reads a bitmap from the ROM that can be easily adjusted to 8bpc
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## message-1442924951404417074
**2025-11-25T17:08:36.664+00:00 — urish**
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basically need to edit `convert.py` and remove the parts that downscales from 8bpc to 2bpc, and extend the ROM word length from 6 bits to 24 bits
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## message-1442925549394858024
**2025-11-25T17:10:59.236+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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I have a GBA-ish-capable PPU that's currently hooked up to SPI LCD only. Pretty easy to knock together VGA timing generation. Can your DAC tristate its output @Tholin? It would have to share with digital pads (we have combined digital bidi + analogue pads right?)
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## message-1442925703757828269
**2025-11-25T17:11:36.039+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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It would be RGB555 320x240, with 480p60 timings, so only a 12ish MHz pixel clock. Not sure if that is an interesting test for you.
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## message-1442925908020297839
**2025-11-25T17:12:24.739+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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For VGA signal levels without an external buffer I would probably just tie off the 3 MSBs of the DAC code input (assuming it's rail-to-rail) and drive bits `8:4` with RGB555 components
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## message-1442926054842044569
**2025-11-25T17:12:59.744+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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It cannot
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## message-1442926084487123096
**2025-11-25T17:13:06.812+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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ahhh
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## message-1442926141865197619
**2025-11-25T17:13:20.492+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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no worries. I'm a bit tight on IOs due to the external parallel SRAM 🙂
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## message-1442926569323495434
**2025-11-25T17:15:02.406+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Um. I mean I guess I could replace my audio PWM outputs with a DAC, and then steal my one unassigned GPIO as the third RGB component 🤔 then I could afford 3 analog pads
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## message-1442956664666853597
**2025-11-25T19:14:37.695+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Where can I see the total wire length after a flow?
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## message-1442975229642018897
**2025-11-25T20:28:23.93+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Yes that’s right, @Tholin I have this, though it’s little more than just an RGB888 test pattern generator: https://tinytapeout.com/chips/tt08/tt_um_algofoogle_tt08_vga_fun — source for the latest version I taped out is here: https://github.com/algofoogle/ttsky25b-analog-vga-dacs/tree/main/verilog/rtl
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## message-1442975259690270922
**2025-11-25T20:28:31.094+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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## message-1442975820892344434
**2025-11-25T20:30:44.895+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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- Author ID: `1071653002986926112`
- Nickname: algofoogle (Anton Maurovic)
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- Edited: 2025-11-25T20:36:39.205+00:00
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I was also working on something more pretty — than the ones above — in RGB888 here: https://github.com/algofoogle/tt10-vga-dac-party/blob/main/verilog/rtl/core_design.v
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## message-1442976756800819345
**2025-11-25T20:34:28.033+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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I recall @toivoh on the TT discord had an RGB444 demo that would be more interesting. I guess the key would be something that does nice gradients but also hard swings (high frequency stuff and full white or black pixels/blocks over gradients) every now and then… to test both linearity and slew rate. That’s what I was trying to do with the last link I shared.
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## message-1442977047529132154
**2025-11-25T20:35:37.348+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Is it in the “metrics” file? The TT GHA reports it, so there would be code in the tt-support-tools repo which pulls it out of librelane run artefacts
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## message-1442978317824426034
**2025-11-25T20:40:40.21+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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3076425 of whatever unit its in
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## message-1443012067891220561
**2025-11-25T22:54:46.853+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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I think it’s in microns, so ~3 metres of wire. Nice 🙂
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## message-1443012192596136108
**2025-11-25T22:55:16.585+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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(This is in the ballpark for large designs, I recall)
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## message-1443013233752408228
**2025-11-25T22:59:24.816+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yes....large
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**2025-11-25T22:59:25.523+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1443015929133928610
**2025-11-25T23:10:07.445+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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This is what 32768 x 5 bits of constant data look like.
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## message-1443016766828711977
**2025-11-25T23:13:27.167+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Hmmm...I guess its kinda difficult to make a RGB888 demo since none of the simulators, like VGA playground, have support for this color format?
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## message-1443017558205927474
**2025-11-25T23:16:35.846+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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No data routing on M5?
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## message-1443017667320483842
**2025-11-25T23:17:01.861+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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M5 has the top-level power grid
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## message-1443017696068505720
**2025-11-25T23:17:08.715+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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In chip_top
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## message-1443017735838765186
**2025-11-25T23:17:18.197+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I do not wish to disrupt it any more than I already have.
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## message-1443017879862640792
**2025-11-25T23:17:52.535+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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was just asking because you've done an excellent job of shading in all the other layers 😅
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## message-1443018016114868235
**2025-11-25T23:18:25.02+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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I have a 256-byte ROM for my bootloader and it's enough to make me yearn for tnt's mask ROM
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## message-1443018541493256326
**2025-11-25T23:20:30.28+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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My data here is literally just a single bitmap
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## message-1443018589144748093
**2025-11-25T23:20:41.641+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443018589144748093`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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In my NTSC signal generator test
```
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## message-1443018703124828171
**2025-11-25T23:21:08.816+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443018703124828171`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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```text
This is the least efficient way of encoding an image that I’ve ever seen.
```
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## message-1443075225959796747
**2025-11-26T03:05:44.91+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1443075225959796747`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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- Type: `Reply`
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How is that different from what the template is creates / is using?
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## message-1443076641537396827
**2025-11-26T03:11:22.41+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1443076641537396827`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : Well,for one, it's a reference design for the mixed-voltage padframe.
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## message-1443077079590764594
**2025-11-26T03:13:06.85+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1443077079590764594`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2025-11-26T03:14:36.911+00:00
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It would be nice to eventually have a mixed-voltage padframe support in the gf template. I'm assume @Leo Moser (mole99) has that all under control and you guys are communicating regularly about it.
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## message-1443077644802588754
**2025-11-26T03:15:21.607+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1443077644802588754`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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Right now, the easiest path for me is to copy a lot of stuff from caravel-gf180mcu. Once I've worked out all the details, it can be re-done as a template.
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## message-1443088591482912778
**2025-11-26T03:58:51.499+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Guess that makes sense.
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## message-1443139572786790420
**2025-11-26T07:21:26.389+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443139572786790420`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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@LukeW I started drafting things to port it over 😅
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## message-1443197986397093888
**2025-11-26T11:13:33.279+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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- Author ID: `1071653002986926112`
- Nickname: algofoogle (Anton Maurovic)
- User name: algofoogle
- Type: `Reply`
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Ah I see your problem: Your chip is full of... green.
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## message-1443198719448322092
**2025-11-26T11:16:28.052+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1443230041214550108
**2025-11-26T13:20:55.743+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443230041214550108`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Ok, setting `PAD_CELL_LIBRARY` doesn't work, can't do that at all because if a `glob` called from the default config doesn't match any file, it's a fatal error, even if you try to later override that config key in your config ...
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## message-1443230147120594996
**2025-11-26T13:21:20.993+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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So I need to let `PAD_CELL_LIBRARY` be `gf180mcu_fd_io` and then override each key manually.
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## message-1443233956693676063
**2025-11-26T13:36:29.266+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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If there's a way to do things smarter in the config or in LibreLane, just let me know and we can change it.
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## message-1443235718746079374
**2025-11-26T13:43:29.372+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Well, I think having `glob` returning no file not be an error would be good 🙂
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## message-1443235987856822482
**2025-11-26T13:44:33.533+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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But ATM I'm just trying to get it to run and see exactly what I need to change for that.
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## message-1443242391908647065
**2025-11-26T14:10:00.378+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443242391908647065`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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- Edited: 2025-11-26T14:10:06.113+00:00
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Is there any reason all those `PAD_` config to be there at all and not in the `gf180mcu_fd_io/config.tcl` ?
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## message-1443243481744277565
**2025-11-26T14:14:20.215+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1443272496387457178
**2025-11-26T16:09:37.845+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Why is global routing run twice? Its a step that takes forever in some of my flows and its run twice.
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## message-1443274047818305638
**2025-11-26T16:15:47.735+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443274047818305638`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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- Edited: 2025-11-26T16:16:07.349+00:00
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I don't think it should be run twice ... I only see it once in Chip flow.
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## message-1443274429764472882
**2025-11-26T16:17:18.798+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Its run first as its own step
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## message-1443274447959228428
**2025-11-26T16:17:23.136+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443274447959228428`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Then again during Antenna Repair
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## message-1443274502980112434
**2025-11-26T16:17:36.254+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Then a third time actually, but after Antenna Repair has inserted new cells, so that checks out.
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## message-1443274619154075669
**2025-11-26T16:18:03.952+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I have a flow where global routing takes 15 minutes each time, so that is 45 minutes of just global routing.
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## message-1443274799735378040
**2025-11-26T16:18:47.006+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443274799735378040`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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But yeah, Antenna Repair runs GRT before doing anything and I’m wondering why it can’t pull that data from the database from when GRT was run as its own step.
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## message-1443285608708571318
**2025-11-26T17:01:44.066+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That’s a new one!
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## message-1443306922794025022
**2025-11-26T18:26:25.74+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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hehe I ran into that a bunch last night while messing around with my sram placements
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## message-1443350955918888982
**2025-11-26T21:21:24.055+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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I know this was asked somewhere else but I'm curious did you find a good way to layout the SRAM? How many are you using and at what size?
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## message-1443366718033367103
**2025-11-26T22:24:02.036+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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huge grain of salt: I have no idea what I'm doing 😇
I have twenty 512x8 blocks, and my current setup is a ring around the logic cells. Pretty sure I have them all backwards at the moment though, and I have a bunch of slew/cap violations at the moment (and some other broken stuff too)
Seeing how little logic there actually is, I might condense the blocks closer to help with timing issues
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## message-1443376340056408287
**2025-11-26T23:02:16.105+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm currently pushing a version of the platform (to either https://doc.test-platform.wafer.space or https://buddy.test-platform.wafer.space) which actually runs the gf180mcu-precheck on incoming designs and could probably use a few testers shortly.
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## message-1443376474114625747
**2025-11-26T23:02:48.067+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I believe that is similar to the layout that @asic destroyer is using for thier design.
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## message-1443378432472911894
**2025-11-26T23:10:34.976+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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## message-1443379684082716904
**2025-11-26T23:15:33.383+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1443379684082716904`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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now that is some nice logic density! i feel bad for wasting so much space haha
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## message-1443382176686018611
**2025-11-26T23:25:27.666+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1443382176686018611`
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@BreakingTaps - It just means you'll have to do more designs and purchase more wafer.space slots! 😛
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## message-1443382304859885702
**2025-11-26T23:25:58.225+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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hehe yessir! plenty of room for growth 🙂
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## message-1443382321431445535
**2025-11-26T23:26:02.176+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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In theory, you could build a memory chip by filling the whole die with SRAM cells and routing the signals out
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## message-1443382542211354727
**2025-11-26T23:26:54.814+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I would actually love someone to actually do that! -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hk0WXCmQ8LYNhn8gIVs8vHymR2MleQx2ro_hQlyOYKU/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.5vu5m0flj1fy
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## message-1443382882298105876
**2025-11-26T23:28:15.897+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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My custom SCL breaks LVS. Its been over 3 hours.
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## message-1443383036375859323
**2025-11-26T23:28:52.632+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I tried checking the logs in the runs directory, but they all cut off. Mid-line.
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## message-1443383115685953648
**2025-11-26T23:29:11.541+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So either some unflushed file buffers, or it actually hard crashed.
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## message-1443386158439600180
**2025-11-26T23:41:16.99+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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@Tholin If you send what you have of the lvs.log and lvs.report, I'll take a look.
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## message-1443386480809480285
**2025-11-26T23:42:33.849+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Already cleaned up the runs directory for another go
But I comited the librelane project causing the issue:
https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3/tree/main/example_project
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## message-1443450605548077137
**2025-11-27T03:57:22.378+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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What clock speed are you running at?
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## message-1443490266232262727
**2025-11-27T06:34:58.222+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1443490266232262727`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
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- Edited: 2025-11-27T06:35:15.76+00:00
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"Free worldwide shipping is included, but buyers are responsible for insurance and tariffs." Does anyone have an estimate on what the tariff prices will be for the tapeout to the US?
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## message-1443490871860400340
**2025-11-27T06:37:22.615+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Given this changes every time the orange throws a tantrum, any estimates today wouldn't weigh much for what it will be in 4 months ...
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## message-1443492379914010654
**2025-11-27T06:43:22.163+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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An estimate for todays rates would at least help ballpark additional costs.
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## message-1443492506754093157
**2025-11-27T06:43:52.404+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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it's around 50%
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## message-1443505604407591022
**2025-11-27T07:35:55.128+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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The baseline import tariff for goods from Singapore to the US is 10%, though specific sectoral tariffs may apply and can be higher. It's important to note that these tariffs are based on the product's country of origin, not where it's shipped from.
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## message-1443505670681919549
**2025-11-27T07:36:10.929+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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According to the Google AI -- so no idea if that is true or not
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## message-1443505893156327455
**2025-11-27T07:37:03.971+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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https://www.paidnice.com/calculators/us-tariff-calculator
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## message-1443506107992637512
**2025-11-27T07:37:55.192+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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The COB packaging is likely to happen in China which would make the country of origin probably China
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## message-1443567750768492624
**2025-11-27T11:42:51.975+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1443567750768492624`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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While waiting for things to deploy, I had Claude throw together the following API server for the precheck - https://github.com/mithro/gf180mcu-precheck/tree/feature/api-server/server
Would love thoughts on how horrible it is @ https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/pull/13
Thinking was to put up a dedicated hetzner server with the highest single threaded performance running it and allow people to run it.
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## message-1443582561388335137
**2025-11-27T12:41:43.102+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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20mhz right now (albeit with 5ns slack violations at max_ss)
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## message-1443741910735781918
**2025-11-27T23:14:54.947+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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BTW - https://doc.test-platform.wafer.space should be *finally* running manufacturing checks now.
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## message-1443743348006453340
**2025-11-27T23:20:37.619+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1443748262765924472
**2025-11-27T23:40:09.389+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'll be back in an hour or two.
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## message-1443750069357510658
**2025-11-27T23:47:20.114+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Lost most of yesterday to an issue with SSH multiplexing and jump hosts causing my deployment commands to end up on the wrong VM 🙁
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## message-1443758028393414818
**2025-11-28T00:18:57.696+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1443758028393414818`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-28T00:20:15.564+00:00
- Pinned: yes
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Test Submission Platform up @ https://doc.test-platform.wafer.space
I expect the submission process is going to be more bumpy than I would like, so I will be trying to babysit it as much as I can.
Please do say something if you are having issues or things look wrong! At the moment it is just as likely to be the system as it is your problem.
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## message-1443758413652955158
**2025-11-28T00:20:29.549+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Pinned a message.
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## message-1443859480482938912
**2025-11-28T07:02:05.759+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
- Message ID: `1443859480482938912`
- Author ID: `351484320432521226`
- Nickname: Leon
- User name: .leonmc
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Since the run is going to happen anyways, what does the funding goal indicate? Is it the amount of buyers where wafer.space becomes sustainable?
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## message-1443899363276624043
**2025-11-28T09:40:34.558+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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That is a good question. I guess it indicates the number of paid slots that I was aiming to have purchased.....
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## message-1443982988537757877
**2025-11-28T15:12:52.374+00:00 — dshadoff**
- Message ID: `1443982988537757877`
- Author ID: `692166844701999105`
- Nickname: dshadoff
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I feel confident that the next run will have more uptake, especially if there are any designs sharing their submissions as examples. Were you planning to have the next run *before* or *after* the receipt of chips from this run ?
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## message-1444076400733720761
**2025-11-28T21:24:03.577+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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I tested a submission using a link from google docs compressed and uncompressed and it was failing. With github, the upload worked just fine.
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## message-1444133146034569328
**2025-11-29T01:09:32.711+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Can you log an issue?
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## message-1444133301253181590
**2025-11-29T01:10:09.718+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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See the timeline thread @ https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1436214297532567753
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## message-1444454154662580385
**2025-11-29T22:25:07.132+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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The first cut of the GF180MCU Caravel "openframe" layout has now been pushed to https://github.com/RTimothyEdwards/gf180mcu_ocd_openframe !
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## message-1444454441360298115
**2025-11-29T22:26:15.486+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Now to create a user project for it that is something more than a bunch of connections that turn off all the GPIOs. . .
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## message-1444913134920925235
**2025-12-01T04:48:56.553+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1444920883129876573
**2025-12-01T05:19:43.87+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Ethan Mahintorabi - Anything interesting in https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10833805 ?
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## message-1444942002298032200
**2025-12-01T06:43:39.072+00:00 — itisyeetimetoday**
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It seems like for pure digital dense, the high density libraries SKY130 is around 170kG/mm^2 for raw/100kG/mm^2 for routed. GF180MCU doesn't have numbers I could find, but maybe it's around/better than SKY130? Anyone know what the numbers for SKY90/price is shaping up to be? Are there rumors/news about other nodes that will be open sourced?
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## message-1444953572432281703
**2025-12-01T07:29:37.607+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@itisyeetimetoday sky90 is dead afaik. Also I'm not sure how you would think gf180mcu could ever be more dense than sky130 ... from an area density PoV it's way worse. raw routing wires are twice as big ( so 4 times worse in area ), cells are much much larger than the hd lib from sky130.
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## message-1444976489102708836
**2025-12-01T09:00:41.367+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell @Ethan Mahintorabi afaik Andreas Andreou (from John Hopkins) and Shantanu Chakrabartty groups are working together on a new open-source DVS sensor. They plan to tapeout on 130nm.
It is part of annual Telluride Neuromorphic Workshop.
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## message-1444977427070714029
**2025-12-01T09:04:24.996+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Their prototype wasn’t very dense either, but promising
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## message-1445082470859935926
**2025-12-01T16:01:49.387+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell congratulations on funding the first shuttle
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## message-1445089339108491468
**2025-12-01T16:29:06.905+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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## message-1445094576460402901
**2025-12-01T16:49:55.587+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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My current plan is,
(1) Finish the https://platform.wafer.space deployment.
(2) Bed.
(3) Check how things have gone and evaluate an what the update should be.
Given the timeline, I'll probably port across any green prechecks on the https://test-platform.wafer.space to prod platform.
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## message-1445099584992055296
**2025-12-01T17:09:49.714+00:00 — itisyeetimetoday**
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Oh what happened to sky90? If the google open souce pdk dead or is it the node being discontinued? Any hope for anything lower than 180 from global foundaries/tsmc/samsung/intel?
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## message-1445100286816423996
**2025-12-01T17:12:37.042+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@itisyeetimetoday The whole google involvment into open pdks ended before sky90 was ever released ... and without google's money, skywater has no interest in releasing their tech.
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## message-1445100665830379692
**2025-12-01T17:14:07.406+00:00 — itisyeetimetoday**
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I see so sky130 was only open sourced beacause google paid a metric ton of cash? I'm guessing they paid GF for GF180MCU too, which probably means that we won't get any new open source nodes unless someone else steps up and pays for it?
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## message-1445101019137704007
**2025-12-01T17:15:31.641+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Well, IHP released their 130 nm node as an open pdk. (Although technically, that was funded by the German govt, but under ihp's initiative stiff IIUC).
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## message-1445101133705121803
**2025-12-01T17:15:58.956+00:00 — itisyeetimetoday**
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I see, how does IHP 130nm stack up aginst sky130 for density and/or price?
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## message-1445101501738520712
**2025-12-01T17:17:26.702+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It's faster. It's not as dense as sky130 though, simply because the cell library available isn't optimized for density like the `hd` one from sky130. Price is ~ 1500 EUR per sq mm for ~ 40 dies.
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## message-1445202327492497559
**2025-12-01T23:58:05.435+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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Think it would be possible to do a "seamless" tiling if you didn't need to dice the final wafer (and designed features large enough to overlap on the edges to account for overlay error)? or will foundries always enforce a certain border of dead space width around the die?
I guess you could just do a bunch of wirebonds between neighbors
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## message-1445209545902264330
**2025-12-02T00:26:46.438+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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These guys are trying that. Effectively the only thing between would be the metal layers for interconnect.
https://www.cerebras.ai/chip
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## message-1445209912945676288
**2025-12-02T00:28:13.948+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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oh right, I forgot about them! will do some closer reading and see if I can glean any details
I was noodling over some future projects that could be meshed with 1000 chips, and was like "why don't I just leave them all on the wafer?" 😇 I'm sure there are tons of weird issues like power distribution and timing and such, but could be a fun way to abuse an older node like 180nm
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## message-1445222633384841281
**2025-12-02T01:18:46.737+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1445222633384841281`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
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125 petaflops! WOW! My chip deisgn is an AI accelerator and I'm hoping to hit GOPS! That is unbelievable!
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## message-1445259386464374827
**2025-12-02T03:44:49.354+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I have thought about that idea too!
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## message-1445274242663972865
**2025-12-02T04:43:51.348+00:00 — peterkinget**
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Hi Tim, excuse my ignorance, but where do we _test_ submit the design? I did it both on the test platform and platform.wafer.space. Going forward, can we just continue with platform.wafer.space?
Will someone communicate about the design after it goes through the pre-checks?
Thanks, -- Peter for MOSbiusV3
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## message-1445297560221909013
**2025-12-02T06:16:30.687+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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An update should go out within 24h
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## message-1445461848962105511
**2025-12-02T17:09:20.175+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1445555684333715652
**2025-12-02T23:22:12.271+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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How is everyone going today. I see a bunch of running prechecks on both test-platform and platform but not a massive queue. I also see a bunch of precheck successes.
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## message-1445555757486571674
**2025-12-02T23:22:29.712+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tholin : Any chance I could get you to add a tristate inverter to your 3.3V standard cell set?
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## message-1445556514281623796
**2025-12-02T23:25:30.146+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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An inverter with a tri-state output enable?
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## message-1445556724047282459
**2025-12-02T23:26:20.158+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Yes, like `invz` in the `gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0` library.
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## message-1445556764702412942
**2025-12-02T23:26:29.851+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That’s not too difficult
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## message-1445556873917890582
**2025-12-02T23:26:55.89+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But lctime cannot characterize three-state output enables and I don’t think STA looks at them anyways.
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## message-1445557021113061466
**2025-12-02T23:27:30.984+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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The characterization is not important to me; I am using them in a ring oscillator that can't be simulated anyway.
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## message-1445557057695776910
**2025-12-02T23:27:39.706+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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You will have to do some SDC file trickery of your own
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## message-1445557064163262514
**2025-12-02T23:27:41.248+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Ah
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## message-1445557078503592019
**2025-12-02T23:27:44.667+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1445557078503592019`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Okay
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## message-1445557135248195667
**2025-12-02T23:27:58.196+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1445557135248195667`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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Are you still experimenting around with my SCL?
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## message-1445557218526105632
**2025-12-02T23:28:18.051+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1445557218526105632`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I pushed some updates fixing DRC issues to the repo just last week, I hope you saw.
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## message-1445557992702611539
**2025-12-02T23:31:22.629+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1445557992702611539`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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No, I didn't see, but updating is easy. I need to start getting notifications on libraries that I am handling in open_pdks.
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## message-1445558163020714074
**2025-12-02T23:32:03.236+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1445558163020714074`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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Unfortunately, I did not get characterizations at other corners done in time. Please add healthy setup and slack margins to your librelane configs.
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## message-1445558756514725888
**2025-12-02T23:34:24.736+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1445558756514725888`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Tim Edwards - You can ask GitHub to notify you on any activity on a repository.. Don't know if that helps.
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## message-1445570089872130204
**2025-12-03T00:19:26.819+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1445570089872130204`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Default`
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My ISP is down for maintenance; wonderful timing.
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## message-1445789045539082300
**2025-12-03T14:49:29.918+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1445789045539082300`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell do we get assigned a project ID, or is this a freeform field? it's unclear from the "create new project" form
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## message-1445789402595852298
**2025-12-03T14:50:55.047+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1445789402595852298`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
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You should be able to choose your own ID.
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## message-1445789543839170630
**2025-12-03T14:51:28.722+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1445789543839170630`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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```text
`CHES` it is then.
```
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## message-1445790268937994431
**2025-12-03T14:54:21.599+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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```text
They have to be unique per shuttle, 4 letters/numbers and you can have [A-Z0-9]
```
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## message-1445791697819799552
**2025-12-03T15:00:02.271+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Well it's bed time for me.
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## message-1445802394113015923
**2025-12-03T15:42:32.466+00:00 — Clyde Laforge (@scafir)**
- Message ID: `1445802394113015923`
- Author ID: `1401841055975870476`
- Nickname: Clyde Laforge
- User name: scafir
- Type: `Default`
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Hey, I see that pre-filled file url for the design file submission on platform.wafer.space is branch referred (`github.com/[...]/blob/main/[...]`). It could be a bit dangerous to use it as such, as they may change with time. For example, if some error is found in the precheck and there's a need to update it and rerun the check, the files may not be same anymore.
A simple fix would be to encourage users to update files that are commit-referred instead, like `github.com/[...]/blob/39306415f62fd6e74851dbc5f0dc57ea608af3f3/[...]`, which are static
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## message-1445826744971038741
**2025-12-03T17:19:18.163+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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Antenna DRC clean?
```
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## message-1445826749236514856
**2025-12-03T17:19:19.18+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh no
```
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## message-1445826820284092547
**2025-12-03T17:19:36.119+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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That’s not good for me
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## message-1445826945441857578
**2025-12-03T17:20:05.959+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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```text
I have no standard cell grid in the top level, so no antenna cells can be inserted.
```
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## message-1445844787159629885
**2025-12-03T18:30:59.756+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Yeah, same ...
```
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## message-1445866001529966644
**2025-12-03T19:55:17.656+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1445866001529966644`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1445866001529966644
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What do I even do when this happens? What config changes can I make?
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## message-1445877297520574676
**2025-12-03T20:40:10.83+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Supposedly OpenROAD now supports resolving antenna violation using higer layer strapping but I didn't search yet how to do that / configure it / ...
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## message-1445877329237643265
**2025-12-03T20:40:18.392+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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That's on my todo for tomorrow.
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## message-1445879102304161954
**2025-12-03T20:47:21.124+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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@Tholin @tnt Does your design use macros?
These are just guesses. It would be nice to know if anything made a difference.
If it does, you might try the `DIODE_ON_PORTS` parameter.
If those are fanout related, make sure `DESIGN_REPAIR_TIE_FANOUT` is set to true.
Maybe adjust the `DESIGN_REPAIR_MAX_CAP_PCT` setting. Maybe counter-intuitive, but a higher setting may decrease the ratio by increasing the gate area. On the other hand, a lower setting may, decrease the wiring area.
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## message-1445879554316177489
**2025-12-03T20:49:08.892+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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or https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1445797038863155381/1445868913744150660
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## message-1445881571356840148
**2025-12-03T20:57:09.792+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@bailey I have diodes on all input ports of my macro. The violations are on wires going to the IO pads because the IO pads input don't have diodes I guess.
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## message-1445883608387813569
**2025-12-03T21:05:15.458+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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There's a setting for `both` for `DIODE_ON_PORTS`. Does that make a difference/something you want?
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## message-1445885578167189698
**2025-12-03T21:13:05.09+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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All my config changes make it worse. How am I expected to get 0 violations here?
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## message-1445901691575603333
**2025-12-03T22:17:06.826+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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How is everyone going this morning?
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## message-1445901796370419846
**2025-12-03T22:17:31.811+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Are these digital designs?
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## message-1445902153691562077
**2025-12-03T22:18:57.003+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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We ***do*** require you to submit a hash for the gds/oas. Probably still worth submitting a GitHub issue about it.
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## message-1445903022168342730
**2025-12-03T22:22:24.064+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yes
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## message-1445903487455072368
**2025-12-03T22:24:14.997+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Couple of things -- If OpenROAD is having trouble closing on any of your designs, we should get them into the upstream OpenROAD benchmark test suite.
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## message-1445903806100668426
**2025-12-03T22:25:30.968+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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What config are you using? I assume you have pushed this design somewhere?
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## message-1445903999814336533
**2025-12-03T22:26:17.153+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell trying to submit a new GDS url with new hashes, but it appears to be using the hashes from prior upload. any ideas?
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## message-1445904334331314227
**2025-12-03T22:27:36.908+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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ah, reloading and restarting the flow worked
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## message-1445904459426168832
**2025-12-03T22:28:06.733+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/ws-submission-2025/tree/main/macros/SID
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## message-1445904531438436423
**2025-12-03T22:28:23.902+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1445904531438436423`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Here I go, pushing OpenROAD to its limits again...
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## message-1445904981785051336
**2025-12-03T22:30:11.273+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Like all the best people!
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## message-1445910330692862122
**2025-12-03T22:51:26.552+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1445910330692862122`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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@Tholin : And I'm pushing your library to the limits. Now I need an asynchronous set/reset flop in addition to the tristate inverter. If you haven't worked on the tristate buffer at all, then I will probably try to do both of those tomorrow, along with any others that might be useful (oai? nand4/nor4?). But probably just the flops and tristate inverter will get me through synthesis.
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## message-1445910723229126746
**2025-12-03T22:53:00.14+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1445910726425317417
**2025-12-03T22:53:00.902+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Tholin - Maybe the following could help?
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## message-1445919365458432144
**2025-12-03T23:27:20.608+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Unfortunately, I will now be busy fixing antenna violations in almost all of my designs.
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## message-1445919421821616249
**2025-12-03T23:27:34.046+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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All but like one or two of them have at least one violation.
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## message-1445920719576895580
**2025-12-03T23:32:43.455+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Even the multiplexer!
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## message-1445921758929621116
**2025-12-03T23:36:51.256+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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This fixes the antenna violations but generates LVS errors.
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## message-1445922811431620720
**2025-12-03T23:41:02.192+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Ah, because the config lines you showed me add the diodes *after* detailed routing. I guess its supposed to be before?
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## message-1445922973138686127
**2025-12-03T23:41:40.746+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I don't really know anything, I just forward messages between people 😛
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## message-1445923111236141168
**2025-12-03T23:42:13.671+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I am trying
```
substituting_steps:
+OpenROAD.RepairAntennas: Odb.InsertECODiodes
```
and I’ll report back in ~30 minutes
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## message-1445923181268570172
**2025-12-03T23:42:30.368+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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So, platform.wafer.space says it supports Google Drive, but I attach a google drive link and it reports `Security validation failed: URL validation failed: Invalid file size: 0 bytes `
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## message-1445923377570255021
**2025-12-03T23:43:17.17+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Edited: 2025-12-03T23:43:40.871+00:00
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uh, I think you might need to run `OpenROAD.DetailedRouting` after that
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## message-1445924237154979891
**2025-12-03T23:46:42.111+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Can you create a GitHub Issue about that?
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## message-1445932475057705082
**2025-12-04T00:19:26.18+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1445932475057705082`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Stuck
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## message-1445932678494027933
**2025-12-04T00:20:14.683+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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I suspect when mine comes around I might end up holding everyone else up >.>
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## message-1445947327805132962
**2025-12-04T01:18:27.351+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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- User name: tholin
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Got another fun one. If you run the flow on this with its exact config, it’ll fail GLP with `[GPL-0305] RePlAce diverged during gradient descent calculating, resulting in an invalid step length (inf or NaN).` but if the max fanout constraint in the config is changed from 7 to 6, it passes (before failing due to routing congestion).
Maybe also a fun benchmark case.
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## message-1445948175419572296
**2025-12-04T01:21:49.438+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1445948175419572296`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
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A month ago I was trying different fanout constraints and it caused so many headaches with that exact error message. I went back to the standard and didn't have any issues since then.
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## message-1445948462813417625
**2025-12-04T01:22:57.958+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm pretty sure that should be a bug reported upstream.
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## message-1445948912052736191
**2025-12-04T01:24:45.065+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1445948912052736191`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-04T01:30:50.279+00:00
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell My last gds run on the test-platform.wafer.space website stalled after 3 hours. The same design ran on my computer for over 8 hours and didn't finish. Does the platform.wafer.space have longer run capability?
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## message-1445949908803653663
**2025-12-04T01:28:42.709+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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I believe I reported to the project template, in hindsight I believe it's an upstream issue.
https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/issues/5
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## message-1445951603147538452
**2025-12-04T01:35:26.672+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I see some people have prechecks running at the +12 hours
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## message-1445952304476852314
**2025-12-04T01:38:13.882+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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```text
```
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## message-1445953276125380800
**2025-12-04T01:42:05.541+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That doesn't seem right
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## message-1445953377115574333
**2025-12-04T01:42:29.619+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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My die is packed and it doesn't take nearly as long
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## message-1445953525958836266
**2025-12-04T01:43:05.106+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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A 0.5x1 slot taking 12 hours feels like something got stuck
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## message-1445954044622536889
**2025-12-04T01:45:08.765+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1445954044622536889`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1445954044622536889
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## message-1445954046170234920
**2025-12-04T01:45:09.134+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1445954046170234920`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1445954046170234920
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```text
Maybe not... I don't know how large this design was but if it's more complex than this then I could believe it.
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## message-1445962451240615979
**2025-12-04T02:18:33.059+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1445962451240615979`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1445962451240615979
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At some point in the near future, I'll decomission https://test-platform.wafer.space and then set it up to provide extra precheck workers for https://platform.wafer.space
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## message-1445964207794290824
**2025-12-04T02:25:31.854+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1445964207794290824`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1445964207794290824
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## message-1445964414271356948
**2025-12-04T02:26:21.082+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1445964414271356948`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
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Looks like there are still a few that need to be ported across from test-platform?
```
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## message-1445991154587013290
**2025-12-04T04:12:36.47+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445991154587013290`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1445991154587013290
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the deadline is just "have a GDS in the queue" right? we can continue to update the design through next week due to the upcoming DRC changes?
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## message-1446016475763576914
**2025-12-04T05:53:13.509+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1446016475763576914`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
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Yes
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## message-1446028392968486993
**2025-12-04T06:40:34.792+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1446028392968486993`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
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You may have trouble logging into the https://platform.wafer.space but you should be able to reset the password via email. I was transfering users from test-platform.wafer.space but the passwords for email based login are hashed in a way they don't transfer.
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## message-1446033503287509084
**2025-12-04T07:00:53.187+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1446033503287509084`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
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Anyone need anything from me/waiting on anything from me at the moment? (Apart from looking into the DRC check queue on platform.wafer.space?)
```
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## message-1446246209596424345
**2025-12-04T21:06:06.323+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1446246209596424345`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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**Content**
```text
@Tholin : I don't know if you have time to do anything with these, but here are layouts for a set-reset flop and a tristate inverter. I think these two will be sufficient for my needs.
```
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## message-1446246789442437252
**2025-12-04T21:08:24.569+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1446246789442437252`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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**Content**
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The `invz` cell is the equivalent of the GF 5V 7 track cell of the same name (I changed pin names to match your conventions), and the `dfsrtp` cell is the equivalent of the GF 5V 7 track cell `gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__dffrsnq_2`.
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## message-1446258305239486545
**2025-12-04T21:54:10.149+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1446258305239486545`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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**Content**
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I have also created all the views (GDS, CDL, LEF, verilog, and a liberty file just copied from the original) and can provide a gzipped tarball if needed.
```
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## message-1446265994875240612
**2025-12-04T22:24:43.501+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1446265994875240612`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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**Content**
```text
```
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## message-1446266910856581190
**2025-12-04T22:28:21.888+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The half width looks higher than the full in that diagram.
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## message-1446277425901342803
**2025-12-04T23:10:08.87+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1446277425901342803`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I am still fighting antenna violations
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## message-1446277446059032620
**2025-12-04T23:10:13.676+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1446277446059032620`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Each of my individual macros now has none
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## message-1446277474597081242
**2025-12-04T23:10:20.48+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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But the top level does!
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## message-1446277750326300802
**2025-12-04T23:11:26.219+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I really don’t want to have to insert a standard cell grid into this.
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## message-1446277873957867601
**2025-12-04T23:11:55.695+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1446277873957867601`
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The problem appears to be that the iopads don’t have diodes.
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## message-1446282462526308412
**2025-12-04T23:30:09.695+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - I think @tnt is fighting with similar problem on Tiny Tapeout?
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## message-1446283465027747840
**2025-12-04T23:34:08.71+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I have a stupid idea on how to fix this, but if it works it works.
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## message-1446283638999355524
**2025-12-04T23:34:50.188+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But for the next shuttle, we should consider modifying the IO cells to have diodes on the Y output.
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## message-1446304950446723123
**2025-12-05T00:59:31.233+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I forgot diodes on ports on one of my macros. No more antenna violations after detailed routing. Lets hope KLayout doesn’t find anything either.
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## message-1446305832416448603
**2025-12-05T01:03:01.511+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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you're using a custom standard cell library for your design, right?
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## message-1446305863705825441
**2025-12-05T01:03:08.971+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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No
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## message-1446306329621958757
**2025-12-05T01:05:00.054+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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well, I wanted to ask some questions about , but I guess they don't matter then
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## message-1446312816343515156
**2025-12-05T01:30:46.609+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1446315448252633129
**2025-12-05T01:41:14.105+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I believe @Tim Edwards is using them in some way?
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## message-1446398730776477706
**2025-12-05T07:12:10.206+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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They're fixed now. KLayout still shows some violations with the default deck, but I believe this to be a bug in the KLayout antenna deck. When I change it to what I think it should be according to the docs, then it passes.
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## message-1446400401233674240
**2025-12-05T07:18:48.474+00:00 — SecurityBrahh (@securitybrahh)**
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https://github.com/securitybrahh/open-source-asic-bitcoin-chip-sha256/
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## message-1446400578535166154
**2025-12-05T07:19:30.746+00:00 — SecurityBrahh (@securitybrahh)**
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Hi I am trying to design an open source ASIC for bitcoin miner.
Can someone guide me how to design and send the project for manufacturing?
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## message-1446400708038361190
**2025-12-05T07:20:01.622+00:00 — SecurityBrahh (@securitybrahh)**
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So should I make wokwi and siliwiz projects?
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## message-1446428625560797204
**2025-12-05T09:10:57.678+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Why am I getting 596 CUP.3 errors?
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## message-1446429619921223780
**2025-12-05T09:14:54.752+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Please see the latest announcement in #📝-project-template
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## message-1446429977552617602
**2025-12-05T09:16:20.018+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I did update the PDK
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## message-1446430364280160386
**2025-12-05T09:17:52.221+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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And you regenerated the padring with the updated pad library?
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## message-1446430935246573729
**2025-12-05T09:20:08.35+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Were my analog pad changes upstreamed? Otherwise, I still have to rely on my modded analog pads for DRT to function.
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## message-1446431604435058771
**2025-12-05T09:22:47.897+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Have you submitted an upstream patch?
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## message-1446431631337459722
**2025-12-05T09:22:54.311+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1446431631337459722`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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The changes only affect the GDS, so you can keep your changes to the LEF.
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## message-1446431789521309872
**2025-12-05T09:23:32.025+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1446431789521309872`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Edited: 2025-12-05T09:24:16.805+00:00
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No, I don’t know how to do this properly. Modifying the existing cell seems difficult because of how its all crammed into one GDSII file and then referenced by precise byte offsets in the mag files.
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## message-1446432470126825584
**2025-12-05T09:26:14.294+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I added a pin as well
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## message-1446432541476388884
**2025-12-05T09:26:31.305+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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DRT seems to like it when there is a "PAD" pin separate from ASIG5V even though they are both the same
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## message-1446433101231161394
**2025-12-05T09:28:44.761+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1446433101231161394`
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The GDS of the foundry pad library has already been adjusted for CUP.3.
So far magic streamout and the following XOR with KLayout seem to be successful. So perhaps no changes to the mag files are necessary?
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## message-1446433545974452327
**2025-12-05T09:30:30.796+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I had to add a pin to the analog cell, so that implies a mag file change for sure
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## message-1446433733631545394
**2025-12-05T09:31:15.537+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I’m also talking about this at the end of every mag file. Updating the GDSII would have to update these lines in ALL mag files, as the byte offsets change.
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## message-1446433839323938846
**2025-12-05T09:31:40.736+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Maybe you got lucky since all you did was adjust some polygons
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## message-1446433858651164755
**2025-12-05T09:31:45.344+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Or maybe this information isn’t used
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## message-1446433871225946216
**2025-12-05T09:31:48.342+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But I don’t know
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## message-1446435761808211970
**2025-12-05T09:39:19.092+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I don't think it's used in the default flow, but updating it is definitely needed to not have invalid cross references in the PDK.
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## message-1446435891726782525
**2025-12-05T09:39:50.067+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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And given the GDS changed size, those offsets have definitely changed so the current PDK has incoherent views which is not good.
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## message-1446436585846345829
**2025-12-05T09:42:35.558+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1446436585846345829`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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This is why, for all my SCLs, I generate separate GDSII files for each cell. Its a lot more files and looks like a mess, but its impossible to accidentally have everything suddenly have an invalid reference.
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## message-1446436660182257695
**2025-12-05T09:42:53.281+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1446436660182257695`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I....don’t know how they even generated those byte offsets in the first place.
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## message-1446436848628137995
**2025-12-05T09:43:38.21+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446436848628137995`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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You just do `gds readonly true` / `gds read xxx.gds` / `writeall` and this will rewrite mag views for all the cells in the GDS that was read.
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## message-1446437077745930294
**2025-12-05T09:44:32.836+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Thanks, I see! I'll update the mag files soon.
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## message-1446437537487781918
**2025-12-05T09:46:22.447+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I'm not sure how the `maglef` are done. But @Tim Edwards would know 😅
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## message-1446437622510653530
**2025-12-05T09:46:42.718+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446437622510653530`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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maybe just reading the lef views before the GDS ?
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## message-1446437624351821938
**2025-12-05T09:46:43.157+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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...what?
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## message-1446437646355398718
**2025-12-05T09:46:48.403+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I think my project is cursed
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## message-1446437693658628136
**2025-12-05T09:46:59.681+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Haunted, even
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## message-1446437896985772043
**2025-12-05T09:47:48.158+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446437896985772043`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Is that using your IO ? Or the default one ?
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## message-1446437932239032340
**2025-12-05T09:47:56.563+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1446437932239032340`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Default, but I applied some of my LEF changes
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## message-1446440853567705158
**2025-12-05T09:59:33.062+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Reverted those changes, still fails
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## message-1446441908544213135
**2025-12-05T10:03:44.588+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Disregard, I forgot to hit save in the text editor.
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## message-1446442023358828606
**2025-12-05T10:04:11.962+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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BTDT
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## message-1446445963076964486
**2025-12-05T10:19:51.264+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446445963076964486`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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- Edited: 2025-12-05T10:20:04.184+00:00
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Hard to tell because I'm looking at 2 days old version, but your chip top level should have corresponding `inout` for the analog signals and those should be connected to your newly defined `PAD` signal on the analog pins.
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## message-1446467021658263623
**2025-12-05T11:43:32.021+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1446467021658263623`
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I turned the standard cell grid back on so that antennas can be inserted, and even though DRT finishes with 0 antenna violations, KLayout still finds 175 problems. What do I do?
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## message-1446467721146536036
**2025-12-05T11:46:18.792+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Are you running the latest PDK update ?
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## message-1446467852730241056
**2025-12-05T11:46:50.164+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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There was a fix for KLayout antenna check ~ 1.5h ago.
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## message-1446470073895227556
**2025-12-05T11:55:39.731+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh, right
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## message-1446470106719719534
**2025-12-05T11:55:47.557+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I started this flow before then
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## message-1446470125221056553
**2025-12-05T11:55:51.968+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That’s how long it takes!
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## message-1446470618857078896
**2025-12-05T11:57:49.66+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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@Tim Edwards invz_2 has been added to my SCL. DFFs take a while, its over an hour to run all the simulations.
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## message-1446471933351956502
**2025-12-05T12:03:03.06+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yeah, precheck we started 6h ago just finished for TT 😅
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## message-1446472629736308777
**2025-12-05T12:05:49.091+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Only after doing `rm -rf librelane/runs && make librelane` did it occur to me that I could’ve just re-run the antenna check on the existing GDSII...
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**2025-12-05T12:10:12.254+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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## message-1446487592232026274
**2025-12-05T13:05:16.428+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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@Tim Edwards Both cells are now in the library. Have fun!
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## message-1446495526873858188
**2025-12-05T13:36:48.194+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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With the new PDK. NOW what do I do?
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## message-1446496507539886201
**2025-12-05T13:40:42.003+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Antenna repair doesn’t pick up on these.
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## message-1446496558760722596
**2025-12-05T13:40:54.215+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The antenna check after DRT says nothing’s wrong.
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**2025-12-05T13:45:22.944+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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There is currently an ongoing work to correct KLayout antenna checks, it could be due to this. See latest merged & unmerged PRs in the [PDK repo](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/pulls?q=is%3Apr).
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## message-1446497890645315594
**2025-12-05T13:46:11.761+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I thought that already was merged?
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## message-1446498250830909440
**2025-12-05T13:47:37.636+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Aaaand analog pads once again don’t route
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**2025-12-05T13:54:41.556+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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The latest PR from Leo relaxing overly strict Klayout antenna checks (considering whole diode area) [was merget 4 hours ago](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/pull/13). Do you have it in already? There is also one from me which is still not merged, but it will make KLayout checks more strict due to proper Metal5 thickness, so it does not look like your problem.
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## message-1446502780931149877
**2025-12-05T14:05:37.696+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) I tried this and it appears to not generate `LEFclass`, `LEFsite` and `LEFsymmetry` properties, so ensure they are preserved from the old mag files.
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## message-1446503508508414052
**2025-12-05T14:08:31.164+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I think you have to annotate the GDS with the LEF files? I'm not sure as I haven't done this before.
Perhaps @Tim Edwards could comment on this.
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## message-1446507096169386034
**2025-12-05T14:22:46.529+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Also, I am definitely on the new antenna DRC script. I even checked the actual file and it matches.
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## message-1446507169926217879
**2025-12-05T14:23:04.114+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Still getting antenna violations that LibreLane isn’t picking up on and repairing.
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## message-1446513409528041615
**2025-12-05T14:47:51.751+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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The final antenna summary in OpenROAD does not show these violations? If that is the case, can you load the marker database in KLayout to see which nets are affected?
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## message-1446518279744126976
**2025-12-05T15:07:12.901+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446518279744126976`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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@Tholin If you can post the GDS and XML report, I can have a look.
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## message-1446519232555782194
**2025-12-05T15:11:00.069+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446519232555782194`
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@Leo Moser (mole99) Actually now that I think about it, generating the mag/maglef is probably done as an install step of open_pdks ...
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## message-1446520183522070558
**2025-12-05T15:14:46.797+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446520183522070558`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Yeah, there is some magic stuff but also some python scripting to generate the mag/maglef from the GDS.
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## message-1446526899558809873
**2025-12-05T15:41:28.025+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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BTW, @Tholin you're using your own 3.3V cell library in LibreLane right? What value do you use for ANTENNAGATEPLUSDIFF in your techlefs?
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## message-1446527742983016468
**2025-12-05T15:44:49.113+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446527742983016468`
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@Egor Lukyanchenko He is not.
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## message-1446536392841891932
**2025-12-05T16:19:11.4+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1446536392841891932`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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@Leo Moser (mole99) @Tholin : The LEF parameters can be set with the "property" command in magic by hand, or you can just read LEF on top of an existing layout, if you have the LEF already, and it will generate the properties for you. Be careful when you do that, because it will also try to relabel everything according to the ports in the LEF file. That may be what you want, then again, it might not.
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## message-1446536561662365860
**2025-12-05T16:19:51.65+00:00 — Jonathan (@jonathan_ha_25034)**
- Message ID: `1446536561662365860`
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- Edited: 2025-12-05T16:19:59.116+00:00
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Switching to the development version of librelane might be worth a try to see if something changes. I had similar issues with antenna violations within the macros of our design. You could try to get the librelane dev version with
```
nix shell github:librelane/librelane/dev
```
and then run the synthesis flow with
```make
librelane librelane/config.yaml --pdk ${PDK} --pdk-root ${PDK_ROOT}
```.
Set PDK_ROOT to some directory and then Librelane should download the PDK. At least for me this yielded better results that helped me debug the design
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## message-1446540389468082177
**2025-12-05T16:35:04.27+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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Allowing Librelane to download a PDK is probably not a good idea, as it will download it using ciel and for gf180mcu it will be outdated.
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## message-1446542812144468141
**2025-12-05T16:44:41.881+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I don’t know how to do this.
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## message-1446542850010648688
**2025-12-05T16:44:50.909+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Trying to figure it out
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## message-1446542949407129680
**2025-12-05T16:45:14.607+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But also, manually checking the coordinates a few times, its almost all on bidir_PAD2CORE lines
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## message-1446543518196699167
**2025-12-05T16:47:30.217+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Here we are
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## message-1446543747969060924
**2025-12-05T16:48:24.999+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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that's why there's the `--manual-pdk` option to librelane
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## message-1446548124385673328
**2025-12-05T17:05:48.418+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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About my previous question: Does the final antenna summary in OpenROAD show these violations?
Because if it does, we just need to convince LibreLane to fix them in some way. If not, then we have a mismatch between OpenROAD's and KLayout's definition of antenna violations.
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## message-1446549403631489218
**2025-12-05T17:10:53.414+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1446552558540689468
**2025-12-05T17:23:25.603+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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If there were no such discrepancies previously , it most likely means that it appeared due to increase in ANTENNAGATEPLUSDIFF, as OR is not overfixing with diodes anymore. If it so, it means that the mismatch is most likely related to diodes, not metals.
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## message-1446554024441544946
**2025-12-05T17:29:15.101+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) Yes, discrepency is what I'd like to check. But I'm wondering if being perfect is even possible since the LEF contains only the total gate/diff are and no information about the layers to reach that gate/diff area so I'm not sure OpenROAD can always be correct.
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## message-1446554090741174323
**2025-12-05T17:29:30.908+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But I'd need to analyze the final GDS to test that theory.
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## message-1446554201999282354
**2025-12-05T17:29:57.434+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So, I have KLayout antenna violations on wires that go in-between macros. I have antennas on all macro ports. So a wire with antennas on both ends is getting an antenna violation. Is that even possible?
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## message-1446554312011550784
**2025-12-05T17:30:23.663+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Like, the standard cell, I mean.
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## message-1446554504467189870
**2025-12-05T17:31:09.548+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yes, it's possible.
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## message-1446554651863547904
**2025-12-05T17:31:44.69+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Depending on routing layers, that diode could be useless.
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## message-1446554844646211786
**2025-12-05T17:32:30.653+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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https://files.tholin.dev/Public/GDSII/chip_top.tar.gz
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## message-1446555032538583215
**2025-12-05T17:33:15.45+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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When OpenROAD inserts a diode, it takes care to put it close to where the gate to protect is. But when you manually instanciate one, OpenROAD just sees that as "just another standard cell" and will place it where ever convenient.
In tiny tapeout I was instanciating diodes, and I had to write a custom script to manually re-position those diode where appropriate so they are effective to fix some of my violations.
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## message-1446555336495333707
**2025-12-05T17:34:27.919+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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If you're manually instanciating diodes, you could instead try to use this : https://openlane2.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/step_config_vars.html#diodes-on-ports-protection-routine which should also take care of placing them well.
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## message-1446555483392442569
**2025-12-05T17:35:02.942+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I have DIODE_ON_PORTS: both in all my flows
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## message-1446555528204390433
**2025-12-05T17:35:13.626+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Ah ok, nevermind then 😅
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**2025-12-05T17:35:48.656+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Could you post the antenna report xml too so I don't have to run it 😅
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## message-1446556759572353054
**2025-12-05T17:40:07.207+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1446559111348228166
**2025-12-05T17:49:27.914+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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Diodes on output ports of macros do not help much as there is quite low probability of them being connected to the receiving gate without going "up" through the metal stack.
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## message-1446559983838695578
**2025-12-05T17:52:55.932+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Mmm, something is weird. Beause I picked a random violation and looked at it and it didn't properly account for the input protection diode that's present in the IO cell.
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**2025-12-05T17:53:10.136+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Are you sure that was run with the latest PDK ?
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**2025-12-05T17:56:07.41+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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it measures perimeter at 2139 and gate area at 3.15 ( and those looks correct ) and report ratio as 679 ( so indeed a violation ). But there is a 1 um^2 diode that's propertly connected by a lower metal layer so this should make the effective gate area 3.15 + 15 * 1 = 18.15 and the ratio 117 which is well below the error threshold.
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## message-1446561152094966005
**2025-12-05T17:57:34.466+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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1.4.1?
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**2025-12-05T17:57:58.76+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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yes.
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## message-1446561322417262664
**2025-12-05T17:58:15.074+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That’s the tag I got checked out
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## message-1446561578257350836
**2025-12-05T17:59:16.071+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But I see there have been antenna-check related commits since then
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## message-1446562032227979427
**2025-12-05T18:01:04.306+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I will pull the latest and try to run the check again, since I have nothing better to try.
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## message-1446562531924639927
**2025-12-05T18:03:03.443+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tholin : What am I missing here?
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ABC: Setting driving cell to be "gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3__inv_2/Y".
ABC: Setting output load to be 72.910004.
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ynthesis/AREA_0.abc
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## message-1446564014825017354
**2025-12-05T18:08:56.994+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I don’t know
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## message-1446564047284731954
**2025-12-05T18:09:04.733+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its not happening on my end either
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## message-1446564317980917791
**2025-12-05T18:10:09.272+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So I can’t replicate the issue
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## message-1446564748886806689
**2025-12-05T18:11:52.008+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Okay, actually that's good to know; it's probably something in my code, then.
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It did not like synthesizing my ring oscillator, which I guess shouldn't surprise me.
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## message-1446580188614889572
**2025-12-05T19:13:13.126+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Nope. Still getting antenna violations.
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## message-1446584168979890236
**2025-12-05T19:29:02.119+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446584168979890236`
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Yeah ... there is still a bug in the deck 😅
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## message-1446584247912497313
**2025-12-05T19:29:20.938+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446584247912497313`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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`n_diode | n_diode` ... cc @Leo Moser (mole99)
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## message-1446584355316301926
**2025-12-05T19:29:46.545+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1446584355316301926`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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🤦♂️
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## message-1446584404762824846
**2025-12-05T19:29:58.334+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1446584404762824846`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Thanks, fixing now...
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## message-1446584840542752899
**2025-12-05T19:31:42.232+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh
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## message-1446584845395300514
**2025-12-05T19:31:43.389+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Well
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## message-1446584935677952082
**2025-12-05T19:32:04.914+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I guess I can undo all the changes I’ve been making to my project to try and fix this.
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## message-1446585502735139027
**2025-12-05T19:34:20.111+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/releases/tag/1.4.4
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## message-1446595288570794155
**2025-12-05T20:13:13.236+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1446595288570794155`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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@Leo Moser (mole99): I'm getting an error
```
No libs found for macro flow.py:698
gf180mcu_ocd_ip_sram__sram256x8m8wm1 at corner
max_ff_n40C_5v50. The module will be black-boxed.
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But I am not specifying 5V anywhere. Where is this corner name coming from? My MACROS section specifies the .lib files for the SRAMs as, e.g., `tt_025C_3v30`.
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## message-1446598057675329536
**2025-12-05T20:24:13.442+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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(Also it seems to be looking for 5V .lib files for the standard cells as well, and of course can't find any.)
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## message-1446598476828901406
**2025-12-05T20:25:53.376+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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The LibreLane config in the PDK defines the various corners. You can override this from your config like so: https://github.com/splinedrive/gf180mcu-kianv-rv32ima-sv32/blob/4da6d0129e7d52011066a0dd335faa4a0551ebb8/librelane/config.yaml#L172
Make sure to change `STA_CORNERS`, `LIB` and `DEFAULT_CORNER`.
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## message-1446598626792177868
**2025-12-05T20:26:29.13+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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If `LIB` is not set, the pdk_compat functionality in LibreLane will set it to these values: https://github.com/librelane/librelane/blob/d8b98532399f6eaa230e44e4a505bd653c10dd71/librelane/config/pdk_compat.py#L294
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## message-1446602666821025915
**2025-12-05T20:42:32.348+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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@Leo Moser (mole99) : Thanks, that worked for Stage 10 and got me through synthesis. But I'm still getting the same message (as a warning, not an error) on the floorplanning (Stage 12), but only for the SRAM. As it is a warning only, I'm going to assume it's okay unless I discover otherwise. . .
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## message-1446611967770099722
**2025-12-05T21:19:29.867+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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if I upload a new GDS to platform.wafer.space, do I lose my spot in the queue? ^^;
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## message-1446614258841555056
**2025-12-05T21:28:36.101+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1446614258841555056`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell ^
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## message-1446615090362056715
**2025-12-05T21:31:54.351+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1446615090362056715`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
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because I've been trying to get antenna check to pass locally, and, uh
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## message-1446616276435996692
**2025-12-05T21:36:37.133+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446616276435996692`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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@Tholin I ran new antenna check on the GDS you sent. It didn't fix all of them, but it fixed some at least.
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## message-1446618485236043906
**2025-12-05T21:45:23.752+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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answer: yes, you lose your spot in the queue
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## message-1446622202924368075
**2025-12-05T22:00:10.118+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1446622202924368075`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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Yep. I’m down to 17 errors.
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## message-1446651446580875344
**2025-12-05T23:56:22.349+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1446651446580875344`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Uhhhhhhhh
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## message-1446651663820521564
**2025-12-05T23:57:14.143+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I know what’s causing this, but its still funny.
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## message-1446653658681966673
**2025-12-06T00:05:09.755+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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But it appears we do have some discrepancies between OpenROAD and KLayout
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## message-1446661442404090044
**2025-12-06T00:36:05.539+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1446679634921132063
**2025-12-06T01:48:22.973+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Wait
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## message-1446679655804440649
**2025-12-06T01:48:27.952+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I messed something up
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## message-1446679696174612480
**2025-12-06T01:48:37.577+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1446679696174612480`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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There is traces and standard cells clipping into my silicon art
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## message-1446679779469295832
**2025-12-06T01:48:57.436+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1446679779469295832`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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That is a big yikes
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## message-1446679851007479818
**2025-12-06T01:49:14.492+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Besides the DRC errors this brings, wanna bet its responsible for the false antenna positives?
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## message-1446680524201529344
**2025-12-06T01:51:54.994+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Maybe. Top level metal is rarely involved in antenna violations because it is almost guaranteed to be connected to diffusion somewhere. The only way to go is down.
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## message-1446683647825416313
**2025-12-06T02:04:19.724+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1446683647825416313`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I may or may not have duplicated the artwork pixels onto every metal layer, as well as Poly2
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## message-1446684549361700906
**2025-12-06T02:07:54.667+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I have a fillblock over every piece of artwork because I am afraid of the fillers messing it up visually. So that’s why the artwork is on every layer. To prevent minimum density violations.
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## message-1446684570886865047
**2025-12-06T02:07:59.799+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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The art IS my fill pattern!
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## message-1446685293280497694
**2025-12-06T02:10:52.031+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1446685293280497694`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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I have to run very soon, but it looks like the prechecks are running okay on platform (even if there is still a bit of a queue) and are detecting antenna issues now?
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## message-1446686023298978006
**2025-12-06T02:13:46.081+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I didn't get a chance to deploy the functionality which lets me crank the number of simultaneous prechecks up yet but I think that will happen today.
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## message-1446687382723235940
**2025-12-06T02:19:10.193+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1446687382723235940`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Also if you haven't already seen, there is a great post from Matt Venn @ https://www.zerotoasiccourse.com/post/excited_by_silicon/ about his thoughts on the state of open silicon.
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## message-1446687658360443062
**2025-12-06T02:20:15.91+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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I feel like I am far behind in the race, but at least I got LibreLane to give me GDS of a synthesized layout of my 3.3V picoRV32 in a mixed voltage padframe using my SRAM and I/O and Tholin's standard cells (thanks, Tholin!). I still have not worked on the power connections and there are other issues, and the whole thing is under-utilizing the space, but it is good progress!
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## message-1446689855886327809
**2025-12-06T02:28:59.841+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tholin : FYI: I pulled your latest standard cell updates and obviously they worked because otherwise I would not have produced the pic above. But for the record, you are missing the verilog for the two new cells (my version, attached). Also, I noticed in the update that you renamed "decap" cells to "fillcap"; however, the setup file for LibreLane still calls out "decap" for the cells.
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## message-1446734195601969243
**2025-12-06T05:25:11.253+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@SecurityBrahh - Just so you have the right expectations, any "bitcoin miner" accelerator on GF180MCU is not going to be competitive in any way against the current miner ASICs that are available (I doubt it would even beat a modern CPU). If you are doing it as an academic/learning exercise or for prototyping or otherwise, it could still make sense to do.
Also doing a bitcoin miner isn't an easy task, I would not recommend it be your first ASIC or tapeout. You are not going to do a full miner with Tiny Tapeout (but you might be able to test some small parts of it with Tiny Tapeout). Start with something small and easy.
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## message-1446760401273487361
**2025-12-06T07:09:19.172+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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I am not entirely sure the tools could handle the power virus requirements of such an ASIC either
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## message-1446761369079644171
**2025-12-06T07:13:09.915+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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That is exactly why the sky130 PDK is the way it is. Having every cell be a seperate gds file with stuff related to it in the same directory seems so logical to me. Lots of "industry people" hated the fact that the library was now a lot of files rather than one big file.
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## message-1446763034256343152
**2025-12-06T07:19:46.924+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The queue is currently sorted by upload time for the GDS.
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## message-1446763365937578084
**2025-12-06T07:21:06.003+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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I figured it was a waste of everyone's time to check my initial GDS when the requirements had changed
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## message-1446763480739876985
**2025-12-06T07:21:33.374+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I had the crazy idea that we should have a "fill with artwork" tool that uses things like the wafer-space logo as the fill where it fits 😛 -- Probably a terrible idea.
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## message-1446764306636214294
**2025-12-06T07:24:50.283+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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There is no reason a bitcoin minor would be *required* to have a power virus like profile. You are right that most groups are optimising their designs in a way that does produces results like that.
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## message-1446764403318984834
**2025-12-06T07:25:13.334+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Well, I've finally caught up with stuff on this channel, time to check the other ones!
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## message-1446765455078588467
**2025-12-06T07:29:24.093+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1446765455078588467`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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## message-1446780532355629156
**2025-12-06T08:29:18.796+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1446780532355629156`
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I need to take platform.wafer.space down for 30m - when it comes back up it should be able to run a lot more prechecks in parallel.
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## message-1446780998389076020
**2025-12-06T08:31:09.907+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I don't yet know when I'll do that.
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## message-1446793233500999730
**2025-12-06T09:19:46.985+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
- Message ID: `1446793233500999730`
- Author ID: `709384666909507634`
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In case this info would be useful to someone: after all the latest antenna-related PRs were merged into PDK, [our design](https://github.com/ZeduloTech/gf180mcu-testchip2025) containing several LibreLane generated macros passes KLayout antenna check just fine. I'm not seeing OpenROAD-KLayout antenna discrepancies any more.
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## message-1446807583879987312
**2025-12-06T10:16:48.382+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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https://mithro.github.io/gf180mcu-project-template/
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## message-1446822090907979899
**2025-12-06T11:14:27.127+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) Why are OFFGRID and ANGLE checked for PMNDMY ? Doesn't looks like it should really be a problem since that layer is not used for actual mask making.
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## message-1446825473333264444
**2025-12-06T11:27:53.56+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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As for why it is the way it currently is, you would have to ask Mabrains as they created the original rule deck :)
What I found in the docs:
- https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_03.html
> 3.4 Consistent layout all designs on a 0.005μm grid will avoid off-grid and snapping issues during database fracturing.
- https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_07_02.html
> The design grid must be an integer multiple of 0.005μm.
Given the wording of the second statement, and that DRC errors in the design can lead to a back and forth with GF, it is probably safer and simpler to assume that all shapes on all layers need to be on the 5nm grid.
As for the angle checks, I would actually love to be able to draw arbitrary angles (except for acute and as long as all points are on-grid). However, given the wording in the docs I'm not sure about this.
- https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_05_1.html
> SH.2: Avoid any COMP, poly and metal shapes with acute angles (angles <90 deg). Exceptions are only for pre-tested metal inductors with IND_MK mark layers and lettering (non circuit elements).
This would tell me that arbitrary angles (except acute) are allowed on these layers.
However this is contradicted by:
https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_03.html
> 3.6 Only 90 deg and 45 deg bends are allowed for poly and metal lines.
I wouldn't even dare to guess what this means for other layers 🤷♂️
```
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## message-1446825823238881462
**2025-12-06T11:29:16.984+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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👌
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## message-1446903048478654589
**2025-12-06T16:36:08.916+00:00 — Meinhard Kissich (@meinhard)**
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Were you able to resolve the antenna violations? I quit the checker run after 10h+ to make a small adaptions and start a new one; so I'm not too sure how many trials I have 😄
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## message-1446903779898163352
**2025-12-06T16:39:03.3+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Down to 5 violations on 2 nets
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## message-1446904251749109954
**2025-12-06T16:40:55.798+00:00 — Meinhard Kissich (@meinhard)**
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Which settings did you adapt? `DRT_ANTENNA_REPAIR_ITERS` and
`DRT_ANTENNA_MARGIN` or anything else?
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## message-1446904402626482289
**2025-12-06T16:41:31.77+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I had DRC errors
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## message-1446904613759352963
**2025-12-06T16:42:22.108+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The antenna violations I’m getting are not noticed by LibreLane
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## message-1446904645027893258
**2025-12-06T16:42:29.563+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So I’ve been playing with INSERT_ECO_DIODES
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## message-1446904736078106775
**2025-12-06T16:42:51.271+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Basically firing blindly hoping I hit something.
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## message-1446904756156109084
**2025-12-06T16:42:56.058+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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It only needs to work twice
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## message-1446909520021295184
**2025-12-06T17:01:51.852+00:00 — Simi (@simi150500)**
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@Jonathan and I are using the same PDK (currently 1.4.1) for both. However, for building the macros we are using the `dev` branch of LibreLane and the "classic" flow. For the top-level build, we are using the LibreLane version from the nix-shell and the "chip" flow. From our POV this seems to work better for the macros in terms of timing and antenna violations. However, tbh, we do not really understand why. But there is nothing against this approach, right? 😅
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## message-1446910056963641530
**2025-12-06T17:03:59.869+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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As long as no DRC is violated, its at least manufacturable.
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## message-1446911141648531508
**2025-12-06T17:08:18.478+00:00 — Meinhard Kissich (@meinhard)**
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Ok, thanks. Let's see what it looks like when the next checker runs finishes 🙂
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## message-1446916213543538892
**2025-12-06T17:28:27.712+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I made it worse
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## message-1446916331831038115
**2025-12-06T17:28:55.914+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1446916331831038115`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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What’s going on here? Why is LibreLane not fixing these?
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## message-1446916812385288222
**2025-12-06T17:30:50.487+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Can you post updated gds and klayout xml report ?
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## message-1446930633614950470
**2025-12-06T18:25:45.725+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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https://files.tholin.dev/Public/GDSII/chip_top.tar.gz
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## message-1446930654318170205
**2025-12-06T18:25:50.661+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Haven’t looked at it myself yet, though
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## message-1446931948248236185
**2025-12-06T18:30:59.158+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Ok, I'll take a look at it, but will be later tonight.
Some tips to help though would be to move pins of your modules to Met3/Met4 instead of Met2/Met3 so the pins acts as antenna straps. And also try to avoid routing on Met5.
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## message-1446931948491772067
**2025-12-06T18:30:59.216+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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My guess is that it actually can’t see the port diodes inside the macros.
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## message-1446932100413522030
**2025-12-06T18:31:35.437+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I think I could test this by running antenna checks on a fully flattened GDSII
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## message-1446932208538353726
**2025-12-06T18:32:01.216+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It most definitely can see them. But diodes are also not magic. Some of those nets are huge and one diode might not be enough.
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## message-1446932209603842170
**2025-12-06T18:32:01.47+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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But alright. I’ll find the configuration variable for changing the pin layers.
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## message-1446932707153285292
**2025-12-06T18:34:00.095+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Interesting that there is no antenna violations on lines going to my DACs, since those have no input diodes at all.
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## message-1446936132972445728
**2025-12-06T18:47:36.874+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tholin : Small revision to the DFF I made for your standard cell library: Because I put a via on top of the set pin (SN), OpenROAD will put other vias too close to it if it's not aware that there's a via blockage there. I generally have the LEF writer not add via blockages (I probably should rethink that), but in this case it's needed. I added it to the OBS list:
```
LAYER Via1
RECT 13.645 1.690 13.905 1.950 ;
```
which worked fine (no DRC errors generated during routing). Not sure if it makes more sense to put it under the SN pin PORT record. I think I can have magic output via records where vias are sitting inside a port boundary. Until then, these lines have to be added manually.
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## message-1446939116305383494
**2025-12-06T18:59:28.156+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Cannot find the configuration variable for IO port layers
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## message-1446939346673340580
**2025-12-06T19:00:23.08+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I could also make this one of the exceptions where I do export the LEF with -pinonly, which can increase routing congestion slightly, but would let you define an area where it is safe to place vias.
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## message-1446940183474995304
**2025-12-06T19:03:42.589+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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```text
I am currently speeding through caracterization at the ff corner, because that is where hold violations happen.
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## message-1446952768429494516
**2025-12-06T19:53:43.076+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Tholin `FP_IO_HLAYER` / `FP_IO_VLAYER`
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## message-1446975463456243894
**2025-12-06T21:23:53.992+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Tholin Do you have wires going to nowhere ?
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## message-1446975553751224370
**2025-12-06T21:24:15.52+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I'm looking at `io_in[13]` and it seems routed to several modules, but them go un-used in several of those ...
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## message-1446975729463070811
**2025-12-06T21:24:57.413+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yeah, that could be
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## message-1446975999622381568
**2025-12-06T21:26:01.824+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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That's causing issues because it ends it with very very long wires to move it around and then going to nowhere, not even a diode to compensate for all that wiring that got added.
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## message-1446976636850405577
**2025-12-06T21:28:33.751+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But just like TinyTapeout, my designs may have unused inputs.
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## message-1446976910088339478
**2025-12-06T21:29:38.896+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Then try at least putting a diode on those.
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## message-1446977962766372894
**2025-12-06T21:33:49.874+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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See, I thought it would do this automatically with DIODE_ON_PORTS: both
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## message-1446981115641598054
**2025-12-06T21:46:21.578+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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No, because it goes and adds protection diodes near every instance connected to that net ... no instances, no diodes.
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## message-1446981574988923091
**2025-12-06T21:48:11.095+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I'm not sure why OpenROAD doesn't see the violation though, unless something funk is going on with the LEF of the macros.
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## message-1446982220006035588
**2025-12-06T21:50:44.879+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Wait no, wtf :
```
pmetal_factor: 0.54
agate: 0.396
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## message-1446982590924984431
**2025-12-06T21:52:13.313+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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`3451.0752 / 0.396 = 8714.83636364` which is what it reports.
But it also sees the diodes `0.8208` which is correct for 2 antenna diodes cells connected on that segment.
But then the ratio should be `3451.0752 / (0.396 + 15 * 0.8208) = 271.6` which is not an error.
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## message-1446988232356139020
**2025-12-06T22:14:38.335+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Ok, I think I understand.
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## message-1446988328846098524
**2025-12-06T22:15:01.34+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The check done by klayout doesn't match the PDK.
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## message-1446988850013671544
**2025-12-06T22:17:05.596+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The DRC rule says `ratio = perim_area / (gate_area + MF * diode_area) < 400`
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## message-1446989123436019714
**2025-12-06T22:18:10.785+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But what KLayout checks is : `(perim_area / gate_area) < 400 + (400 * MF * diode_area)`
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## message-1446989256164638864
**2025-12-06T22:18:42.43+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Those are not equivalent ...
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## message-1446989819853934853
**2025-12-06T22:20:56.824+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446989819853934853`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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- Edited: 2025-12-06T22:21:29.887+00:00
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In the example above what KLayout does is compare the ratio it computed ( `8714.83636364` ) to the `max_ratio + (diode_factors * adiodes) = 5324.8` and thus sees it as a violation.
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## message-1446989997650477136
**2025-12-06T22:21:39.214+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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(cc @Leo Moser (mole99) )
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## message-1446990235358593086
**2025-12-06T22:22:35.888+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446990235358593086`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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I hope my explanation makes sense 😅
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## message-1446991514436894842
**2025-12-06T22:27:40.844+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446991514436894842`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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AFAICT from the KLayout doc for `antenna_check`, there is no way to implement the check as described in the DRM.
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## message-1446998952305233983
**2025-12-06T22:57:14.17+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1446998952305233983`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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So is the KLayout check more or less strict than required?
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## message-1447002639933112321
**2025-12-06T23:11:53.369+00:00 — asc (@asc9742)**
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- Author ID: `378788837452677120`
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell , the precheck gave out a error_log file but does not contain which rules were violated.
Is there a way to get the rdb file to see where the errors are?
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## message-1447005086067720344
**2025-12-06T23:21:36.573+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm working on that.
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## message-1447052529287434331
**2025-12-07T02:30:07.918+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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@Tim Edwards I have characterized my SCL at the ff corner and fixed the verilog models. Please update asap as ff is where hold violations like to happen.
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## message-1447054749047324723
**2025-12-07T02:38:57.15+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I've updated the platform.wafer.space so it should be running up to 9 checks at once.
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## message-1447054847550427167
**2025-12-07T02:39:20.635+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm not sure it is quite stable, so I'll keep monitoring it.
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## message-1447063547606601760
**2025-12-07T03:13:54.89+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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One-day chip: 3.3V SRAM break-out test chip!
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## message-1447086938749276181
**2025-12-07T04:46:51.773+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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Oh, you're right... It might be possible to implement a workaround by extending shapes on diodes layer 15 times in area. It's definitely not a general solution, but should work correctly at least for the antenna cells from the 7t library.
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## message-1447118789127835749
**2025-12-07T06:53:25.495+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Looks great!
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## message-1447127139873718313
**2025-12-07T07:26:36.468+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Egor Lukyanchenko I don't see how extending the shapes would change anything. I mean you could extend their area and then add them to the "gate" part of the `antenna_check` and not use the `diode` function at all ...
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## message-1447127275832348693
**2025-12-07T07:27:08.883+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Tholin It's just different ... if the gate area is < 1 um^2 it'll be more strict and if gate area is > 1 um^2 then it's more lenient.
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## message-1447145077154779186
**2025-12-07T08:37:53.049+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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That is what I've meant
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## message-1447155267677720688
**2025-12-07T09:18:22.659+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Egor Lukyanchenko But how would you size diode by 15 ? AFAICT there isn't a relative ration `.sized` operator ... and then you might also end up merging shapes that shouldn't.
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## message-1447156654721204275
**2025-12-07T09:23:53.356+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The proper way needs to be implemented in KLayout. The related function seem pretty isolated so it's probably not a big job ( actually updating the doc might be half of it 😅 ), but the KLayout maintainer would have to pick the syntax he wants to specify that.
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## message-1447158596835086498
**2025-12-07T09:31:36.392+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I created https://github.com/KLayout/klayout/issues/2245
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## message-1447159077531549805
**2025-12-07T09:33:30.999+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I'm not sure how applicable it will be for this tapeout because ... time to implement in klayout + time to get binaries in the nix + time to update PDK/template/precheck + time for people to update is probably non negligible and may not fit the timeline.
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## message-1447161168111075429
**2025-12-07T09:41:49.432+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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In the mean time, from the KLayout error file you can at least check if the reported errors are false positive. It's not however possible to know if there are false negatives.
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## message-1447171704840523887
**2025-12-07T10:23:41.584+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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AFAICT `magic` implements exactly the same method as KLayout and thus can't properly check for antennas either :/ (cc @Tim Edwards )
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## message-1447173687773237330
**2025-12-07T10:31:34.352+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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So, KLayout changes the ratio limit depending on the diode area, instead of increasing the gate area proportionally. Good catch, that is indeed a problem.
In this case, it seems we really need to wait for a fix.
Once a patch has been released, I can update the Nix setup in the template quite quickly. The main bottleneck is therefore whether Matthias has time to take a look at this, and the time that is needed for people to fix their designs afterwards.
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## message-1447174018896756856
**2025-12-07T10:32:53.298+00:00 — urish**
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What about OR, does it calculate the antenna sizes correctly?
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## message-1447174270886351022
**2025-12-07T10:33:53.377+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It does the best it can. But AFAIK the LEF contains no information about the metal layers for connectivity of the declared gate/diff area so the check can't be 100%.
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## message-1447175321341263924
**2025-12-07T10:38:03.825+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Like pins have only a single line `ANTENNAGATEAREA` / `ANTENNADIFFAREA` which I don't see how that could be used to fully evaluate antenna without knowing what internal layers path.
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## message-1447175335740178485
**2025-12-07T10:38:07.258+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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@tnt You're right there seems to be nothing of the sort... So the only options for this tapeout would likely be either to ignore KLayout antenna violations in precheck, or to create a temporary KLayout fork which will perform antenna_check the way gf180mcu requires it.
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## message-1447176084272447571
**2025-12-07T10:41:05.722+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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But it should work correctly for the flat design, right?
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## message-1447176867835678811
**2025-12-07T10:44:12.538+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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For any internal node that doesn't connect to a macro it should be correct. But anything that connect to a macro where the only info is from a LEF could be a problem.
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## message-1447177025377927282
**2025-12-07T10:44:50.099+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Now this would include IO pads, but AFAICT the io pads have protection diodes and they did take care of having them connected through metal1/metal2 only so that should be fine.
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## message-1447177461849788548
**2025-12-07T10:46:34.162+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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For Tiny Tapeout we also have no signal routing on Metal5 and have all the user signal pins on Metal4 so this will work too because pins then act as antenna strap. This was done on purpose exactly for that reason.
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## message-1447177914964512820
**2025-12-07T10:48:22.193+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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```diff
diff --git a/src/db/db/dbLayoutToNetlist.cc b/src/db/db/dbLayoutToNetlist.cc
index 043f1629c..041b51b06 100644
--- a/src/db/db/dbLayoutToNetlist.cc
+++ b/src/db/db/dbLayoutToNetlist.cc
@@ -1934,6 +1934,7 @@ db::Region LayoutToNetlist::antenna_check (const db::Region &gate, double gate_a
}
double r = ratio;
+ double da = 0.0;
bool skip = false;
adiodes_int.clear ();
@@ -1953,7 +1954,7 @@ db::Region LayoutToNetlist::antenna_check (const db::Region &gate, double gate_a
skip = true;
}
} else {
- r += adiode_int * dbu * dbu * d->second;
+ da += adiode_int * dbu * dbu * d->second;
}
}
@@ -1965,7 +1966,7 @@ db::Region LayoutToNetlist::antenna_check (const db::Region &gate, double gate_a
compute_area_and_perimeter_of_net_shapes (*cid, *c, layer_of (gate), agate_int, pgate_int);
- double agate = 0.0;
+ double agate = da;
if (fabs (gate_area_factor) > 1e-6) {
agate += agate_int * dbu * dbu * gate_area_factor;
}
```
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## message-1447178265461526529
**2025-12-07T10:49:45.758+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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(Although with the patch above, the DRC rule need to be changed, the number passed in the diode check needs to be the Mf, so 15 / 2 and not 6000 / 800 )
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## message-1447178360622026913
**2025-12-07T10:50:08.446+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I'll try to patch this through the Nix flake.
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## message-1447179557231923453
**2025-12-07T10:54:53.74+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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LibreLane docs recommend supplying netlists for macros if available. But as far as I can tell they are used only in OpenSTA steps. It's probably best to buffer macro pins on the both sides to avoid antenna problems.
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## message-1447180417890386040
**2025-12-07T10:58:18.937+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yeah, netlist wouldn't help for the physical layout, it would need to look at the DEF or GDS of the macro and I don't think it does that. I haven't dug a lot into the OR source code, but AFAIK it only looks at the LEF and that just doesn't have enough info to be correct all the time AFAIU.
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## message-1447185914014077001
**2025-12-07T11:20:09.315+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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OR can only use LEF abstract + Liberty for macros and OpenSTA is able use Verilog netlists + SPEFs instead for more precise timing. But you're right, even if it would be possible to load netlists into OR, it wouldn't help antenna analysis anyway. So the only ways to reliably avoid antennas on wires going through the macro ports seem to be either to locate them on the top routing layer or to buffer them on both sides.
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## message-1447207997972549752
**2025-12-07T12:47:54.541+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- project template: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/tree/antenna-calculations
- PDK: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/tree/antenna-calculations
Due to the patch KLayout needs to recompile when invoking the Nix shell.
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## message-1447208578032078859
**2025-12-07T12:50:12.838+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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@Tholin can you verify that this resolves the false positives?
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## message-1447217115370356869
**2025-12-07T13:24:08.298+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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FWIW, I ran the chip_top that @Tholin posted yesterday through locally patched KLayout / PDK and it's not reporting any violations.
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## message-1447227025810129018
**2025-12-07T14:03:31.131+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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No violations at all? That's great!
Well, hopefully we *do* get violations if they are above the limit 😄
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## message-1447227084064686213
**2025-12-07T14:03:45.02+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Could you perhaps post your patch in the KLayout issue as a quick starting point for Matthias?
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## message-1447227892449677332
**2025-12-07T14:06:57.754+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yeah, knowing if there are actual violations or not is harder 😅
Although TBH, given the massive multiplier of 15, it'd be quite challenging to get a violation when any diode is involved. On 3v3 designs, that'd be more likely so maybe Tim will see some in his designs.
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## message-1447228121635098635
**2025-12-07T14:07:52.396+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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How is the filler update doing ? It's the last expected fix right ?
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## message-1447229253618761833
**2025-12-07T14:12:22.282+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1447229253618761833`
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It's going well: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/commits/filler-generation/
The last commit should fix all remaining DPF.1 violations.
Then, we'll see if we can still meet the density limits for all designs...
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## message-1447230481191010585
**2025-12-07T14:17:14.958+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Another issue is that some designs take multiple hours for the KLayout antenna check. I think there's something going wrong. I checked the connectivity setup for potential shorts, but I don't see how this can happen for some designs but not for others.
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## message-1447230822276005910
**2025-12-07T14:18:36.279+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) I'll experiment with disabling Antenna fixing stages in LibreLane for my design and see if I'll get matching antenna violations in KLayout.
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## message-1447230961078239466
**2025-12-07T14:19:09.372+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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I was wondering how long this might take - admittedly this is on my laptop but `Executing rule ANT.16_i_ANT.2` has taken over an hour when all of the flow up to that point took ~20 mins
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## message-1447231102380015812
**2025-12-07T14:19:43.061+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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(this is on a quarter slot design)
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## message-1447231107157201082
**2025-12-07T14:19:44.2+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Each step is progressively longer 😅
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## message-1447231497332588696
**2025-12-07T14:21:17.225+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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Antenna runtime depends very much on the ammount of routing, especially on upper layers. So obviously high density designs will take several times longer to verify.
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## message-1447233302951100558
**2025-12-07T14:28:27.718+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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My design takes ~4 hours to verify locally, this is why I was pursuing even relatively small antenna runtime optimizations I had in my PR.
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## message-1447234323462750271
**2025-12-07T14:32:31.027+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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4h for just for the antenna or the whole precheck ?
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## message-1447236586621374565
**2025-12-07T14:41:30.606+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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```text
Just antenna. My old Xeon workstation is rather slow in single thread, but it still should take a couple of hours on fast machine I think. KLayout DRC takes another ~3 hours locally.
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## message-1447239708668199042
**2025-12-07T14:53:54.96+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
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`2025-12-07 06:25:53 +0000: Memory Usage (4133788K) : Executing rule ANT.16_ii_ANT.4 `
so, that's about 8h30m elapsed time on one antenna rule so far :p
```
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## message-1447240707009019904
**2025-12-07T14:57:52.983+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, but it still feels too long.
Extracting full connectivity in KLayout DRC for a complex design now takes ~15min. Of course, the actual antenna check goes on top. Still, I can't believe that querying the geometry and calculating the ratios has to take several hours (e.g. for the last antenna check).
Last time I checked with Matthias regarding the connectivity in the DRC deck, it paid off :)
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## message-1447241050107412562
**2025-12-07T14:59:14.784+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Did you check on magic how long it takes ?
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## message-1447241897578860648
**2025-12-07T15:02:36.837+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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"88 KLayout density errors found."
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## message-1447241912355389460
**2025-12-07T15:02:40.36+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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😢
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## message-1447241956206842021
**2025-12-07T15:02:50.815+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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(using new filler gen)
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## message-1447242817033470085
**2025-12-07T15:06:16.052+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Hm, why so many violations? Shouldn't it create a single marker for each violated layer? (It's a global density check, not stepped.)
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## message-1447243362594848789
**2025-12-07T15:08:26.124+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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And can you show me the ratios for all layers? Should be in the logs.
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## message-1447243403711479869
**2025-12-07T15:08:35.927+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It's window density ...
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## message-1447243456094277734
**2025-12-07T15:08:48.416+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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M2 layer only ... for basically every where in the chip 😅
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## message-1447243536759128155
**2025-12-07T15:09:07.648+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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## message-1447244330828955811
**2025-12-07T15:12:16.969+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Oh right, it's in tiled mode. However, the ratio should still be calculated across the whole chip, it's only the markers that are tiled.
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## message-1447244490908897392
**2025-12-07T15:12:55.135+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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The problem is that there's Metal1 inside all standard cells. That means that almost no dummy Metal2 can be placed...
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## message-1447244534923661343
**2025-12-07T15:13:05.629+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yeah, there is metal2 ... nowhere ...
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## message-1447244699793490152
**2025-12-07T15:13:44.937+00:00 — urish**
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Why not?
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## message-1447244826348355615
**2025-12-07T15:14:15.11+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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GF has this rulel that you can't place dummy if there is real metal in _adjacent_ layers ...
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## message-1447245017725927536
**2025-12-07T15:15:00.738+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1447245017725927536`
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Well, there should be some outside of the padring. Else it might be a bug?
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## message-1447245132159258706
**2025-12-07T15:15:28.021+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1447245132159258706`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Yes, there is some outside the pad ring and between module but ... meeting 30% with that will be impossible ...
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## message-1447245192305315974
**2025-12-07T15:15:42.361+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1447245192305315974`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Or maybe making it _solid_ metal2 dummy rather than little squares ..
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## message-1447245264640409722
**2025-12-07T15:15:59.607+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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That's the DRC rule. If there is active metal above or below, you can't place any dummy.
It's a stupid rule, that's why we initially decided to ignore it.
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## message-1447245294931677298
**2025-12-07T15:16:06.829+00:00 — urish**
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Do we know why this rule exists? I can't make sense if it
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## message-1447245336388042792
**2025-12-07T15:16:16.713+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It's kind of annoying it doesn't report the actual density so we can now how far we are.
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## message-1447245395259297792
**2025-12-07T15:16:30.749+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1447245395259297792`
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No, there's another rule for that...
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## message-1447245399889936384
**2025-12-07T15:16:31.853+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1447245399889936384`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-07T15:16:40.87+00:00
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@urish Probably to avoid affecting capacitance of nearby nets.
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## message-1447245462959685843
**2025-12-07T15:16:46.89+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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It should be in the log.
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## message-1447245604941205695
**2025-12-07T15:17:20.741+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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`29.238749553369797`
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## message-1447245651892113468
**2025-12-07T15:17:31.935+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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😑
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## message-1447245680404861158
**2025-12-07T15:17:38.733+00:00 — urish**
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But wouldn't the same issue arise with non fill metal as well?
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## message-1447245869697994924
**2025-12-07T15:18:23.864+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@urish Of course, but the idea is that if you run simulation without fill, adding the fill shouldn't change/affect the results.
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## message-1447246015634735279
**2025-12-07T15:18:58.658+00:00 — urish**
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Do you need some metal 2 smiley macros to throw around in the tt-mux?
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## message-1447246025940140144
**2025-12-07T15:19:01.115+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@urish Maybe copy the logo to `Metal2` layer 🙂
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## message-1447246153618817098
**2025-12-07T15:19:31.556+00:00 — urish**
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With pleasure will copy to layer
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## message-1447246225173647511
**2025-12-07T15:19:48.616+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I can update the wafer.space logo as well.
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## message-1447246405432512804
**2025-12-07T15:20:31.593+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Running the fill in non-tiled mode might also help because there are gaps in the fill at the tile boundary
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## message-1447246651239567550
**2025-12-07T15:21:30.198+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, there is. But there's currently no solution for that afaik. You will always have filler cells at the tile boundary and KLayout doesn't cut them, but instead remove them.
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## message-1447246793996767404
**2025-12-07T15:22:04.234+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But you can run it non-tiled right ?
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## message-1447246819032563834
**2025-12-07T15:22:10.203+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes.
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## message-1447246886896402442
**2025-12-07T15:22:26.383+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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That will take longer of course but at this point I'll take anything that can help get some metal2.
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## message-1447247034045169706
**2025-12-07T15:23:01.466+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Well, yeah. But it's not only you. There will be other designs that won't meet density with an even larger margin.
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## message-1447247084787859497
**2025-12-07T15:23:13.564+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It only the area inside the seal ring considered ?
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## message-1447247201892831445
**2025-12-07T15:23:41.484+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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No the whole chip as specified in the docs.
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## message-1447247547583303884
**2025-12-07T15:25:03.903+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I know, but running non-tiled will always lead to more fill, so it's pretty much always good. Sure, that'll only work if you're close but ...
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## message-1447247682644086845
**2025-12-07T15:25:36.104+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Could we make a fill / decap cell that has enough space between the met1 power rails to allow Metal2 filler ?
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## message-1447247728148222014
**2025-12-07T15:25:46.953+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yeah, of course. Every little bit helps :)
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## message-1447247958469775390
**2025-12-07T15:26:41.866+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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To be honest, that rule is really stupid and there's a solution to all of that: active dummy metal fill 😈
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## message-1447248184446554212
**2025-12-07T15:27:35.743+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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Is there anything in DRM forbidding performing fill using regular non-fill metal layer if it's impossible to reach density with dummy layer?
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## message-1447248217841598574
**2025-12-07T15:27:43.705+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Sure, I mean, you'd have to do that during fab submission ... copy the `dummy` layer to `drawing` layer and be done with it.
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## message-1447248291501834372
**2025-12-07T15:28:01.267+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Because for all the dev process and such you want them separate.
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**2025-12-07T15:28:11.481+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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No, not that I have seen.
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## message-1447248852825538661
**2025-12-07T15:30:15.097+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1447248852825538661`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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I might add an option to the filler script to ignore the previous/subsequent active metal rules. So for analog designs it's still possible to do the fill according to the DRC rules.
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## message-1447249372684226581
**2025-12-07T15:32:19.041+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Well, that sounds like a plan. Thanks for giving the script a try and for all the feedback!
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## message-1447251143972360410
**2025-12-07T15:39:21.349+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Too bad the standard cells don't have a marker layer, it'd have been nice to have a flag to just ignore met1 of stdcell ...
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## message-1447251488283037698
**2025-12-07T15:40:43.439+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, but we would still get DRC violations when submitting to the foundry. Except if we added those shapes as active metal...
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## message-1447251845431951553
**2025-12-07T15:42:08.59+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Oh yeah, of course, it was just to make it easier to deal with mixed analog/digital stuff.
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## message-1447256361707507795
**2025-12-07T16:00:05.354+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Ah, the klayout patch is no good ...
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## message-1447256699118551251
**2025-12-07T16:01:25.799+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1447256699118551251`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
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Can standard fill cells be easily identified at the point the fill is run? If so maybe could always add “active” metal above them (if there’s nothing else there)
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## message-1447258669627605012
**2025-12-07T16:09:15.605+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Sylvain had the same idea just a few messages above 😁
Unfortunately, there's no easy way...
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## message-1447258937949688001
**2025-12-07T16:10:19.578+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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I was wondering if limiting it to just fill cells, rather than all standard cells, might make it easier
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## message-1447259113611591721
**2025-12-07T16:11:01.459+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Eg is there any record of the cell name at that point, or could a marker be added just to those cells?
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## message-1447260613624725726
**2025-12-07T16:16:59.09+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I see what you mean. It would be possible, but not really straightforward.
Since we need to add dummy metal as active metal anyways, at this point we can just convert all dummy I would say.
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## message-1447273006115192922
**2025-12-07T17:06:13.69+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) I updated the patch on the issue. Here's also a copy.
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## message-1447273030488424619
**2025-12-07T17:06:19.501+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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## message-1447273339860029611
**2025-12-07T17:07:33.261+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The previous one had a logic error because I added the diode area to gate area too early. First need to check if there is _any_ gate area else you end up testing wires that are only connected to diodes ...
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## message-1447273618718588969
**2025-12-07T17:08:39.746+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It wasn't a huge deal on Tholin design because the MF multiplier is so big for 5V devices. But if you have any 3v3 devices, then the 3v3 rule are run and you get false positives.
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## message-1447283749468377211
**2025-12-07T17:48:55.105+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Thanks Sylvain! I'll update the template branch shortly.
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## message-1447329375958728885
**2025-12-07T20:50:13.308+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tholin : Your latest update is breaking my LibreLane flow. . . You added references to PAD_CELL_LIBRARY in the librelane setup. If I add that to my local config.yaml file, it doesn't do anything useful. If I hack it in to your setup file for the standard cell library, then LibreLane just gives me an error "Unknown key 'PAD_CELL_LIBRARY' provided." (though I can't see why that should be considered an error). I'm not even doing anything with pads for this LibreLane run. . .
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## message-1447343547400327220
**2025-12-07T21:46:32.043+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I'm just copying lines from the fd_sc library's config. It also runs on my end with the wafer.space template's nix-shell.
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## message-1447346810598330389
**2025-12-07T21:59:30.05+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Very good. I guess I just wait until that patch hits main, then?
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## message-1447384173298974875
**2025-12-08T00:27:58.012+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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hurray, I timed out while doing antenna check >.<
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## message-1447399034540130335
**2025-12-08T01:27:01.208+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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How are things going this morning?
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## message-1447399315915018240
**2025-12-08T01:28:08.293+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Just waiting for patches now so my antenna violations go away.
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## message-1447417256601583728
**2025-12-08T02:39:25.686+00:00 — SecurityBrahh (@securitybrahh)**
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The antminer/bitmain stuff is probably 2nm TSMC type shit?
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## message-1447419566031634535
**2025-12-08T02:48:36.297+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) - Could we just use fill to add extra capacitance on the power rails?
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## message-1447419664002056273
**2025-12-08T02:48:59.655+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Google's AI says: Bitmain's Antminer models use increasingly advanced semiconductor process nodes, moving from 7nm for older models like the S19 series to cutting-edge 5nm and even 3nm nodes for their latest, highly efficient machines like the S21 (5nm) and rumored S23 (3nm), leveraging foundries like TSMC for fabrication to achieve higher performance (hashrates) and lower power consumption (J/TH).
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## message-1447421953123291156
**2025-12-08T02:58:05.424+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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| 48 | BreakingTTAPs | 0f9e5 | 11.09 | 13.67 | 2025-12-07 |
| 39 | FA25_Engn2912e_Saligane_Brown | 0f9e5 | 16.15 | 4.19 | 2025-12-06 |
| 9 | FABulous FPGA | 739cb | 14.41 | 3.02 | 13 | FazyRV Hachure | 739cb | 14.12 | 7.39 | 2025-12-03 |
| 32 | FOSSi open-source replacement for Z80 CPU | 0f9e5 | 14.82 | 4.28 | 2025-12-06 |
| 50 | FOSSi open-source replacement for Z80 CPU | 0f9e5 | 13.06 | 5.79 | 2025-12-07 |
| 28 | gf180mcu-jku-atbs-adc | 64e7f | 12.18 | 3.46 | 2025-12-05 |
| 29 | gf180mcu-jku-projects | 64e7f | 15.65 | 10.90 | 2025-12-05 |
| 45 | gf180mcu-project-trident-teststructure | 0f9e5 | 5.97 | 2.18 | 2025-12-07 |
| 6 | ISHI-KAI's Multiple Users Project | 739cb | 16.38 | 5.03 | 2025-12-02 |
| 41 | MOSbiusV3 | 0f9e5 | 7.66 | 2.61 | 2025-12-06 |
| 51 | ocd_sram_test | 0f9e5 | 5.57 | 3.24 | 2025-12-07 |
| 12 | Tiny Tapeout GF 0.2 | 739cb | 14.21 | 4.74 | 2025-12-03 |
| 11 | Tiny Tapeout GF 0p2 - Power Gated Variant | 739cb | 14.38 | 4.56 | 2025-12-03 |
| 19 | TinyQV - Crowdsourced Risc-V SoC | 64e7f | 6.11 | 4.85 | 2025-12-05 |
| 18 | TinyQV - Crowdsourced Risc-V SoC (0.5x1) | 0f9e5 | 9.71 | 8.56 | 2025-12-07 |
| 17 | TinyQV - Crowdsourced Risc-V SoC (1x0.5) | 0f9e5 | 13.11 | 7.92 | 2025-12-07 |
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## message-1447493655979102319
**2025-12-08T07:43:00.717+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Egor Lukyanchenko How's the runtime of the `evaluate_nets` version vs the native `antenna_check` version ?
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## message-1447493919079272468
**2025-12-08T07:44:03.445+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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For my test design it looks to be more or less the same.
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## message-1447494107365773424
**2025-12-08T07:44:48.336+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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And does it also report the raw values ( perimeters / gate area / diode area and such as details in each violation ) ?
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## message-1447495431989887027
**2025-12-08T07:50:04.151+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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For now version in the PR only marks the violating gates, no nets even. AFAIU all raw values could be made available in GDS properties, but I'm not sure how to output them to lyrdb. Do you suggest to save them always, or just to create some "debug mode"?
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## message-1447495716854431885
**2025-12-08T07:51:12.068+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I would always put them in the lyrdb, it's just useful to have when you have violation to know if you're way off and just slighly off and to know if a single diode is ok, or more extensive rework.
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## message-1447496021193003132
**2025-12-08T07:52:24.628+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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Ok, I'll look into how to add them.
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## message-1447498052607672413
**2025-12-08T08:00:28.955+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I'd hope that using `put` to put properties on the output shapes would also result in them being in the lyrdb.
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## message-1447499350174339092
**2025-12-08T08:05:38.319+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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Yes, this is what I'm going to check first.
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## message-1447501877011939380
**2025-12-08T08:15:40.764+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
- Message ID: `1447501877011939380`
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Seems to work, I'll update PR now. Currently I'm saving gate area, diodes area, antenna perimeter and resulting ratio, that's enough I guess?
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## message-1447503339305701477
**2025-12-08T08:21:29.402+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I think so yes.
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## message-1447521156285599754
**2025-12-08T09:32:17.301+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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I've done a couple of quick tests trying to find a way to mark whole violated net in lyrdb, not only a gate, but failed. So I've updated the PR only with raw parameters saving.
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## message-1447533917811904644
**2025-12-08T10:22:59.886+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Egor Lukyanchenko I think that's fine. I'm running the update check now to confirm I get the same results as previously.
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## message-1447534984880717905
**2025-12-08T10:27:14.295+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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My top level fails to route if I don’t let it use Metal5 for routing.
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## message-1447535146805756057
**2025-12-08T10:27:52.901+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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And moving the IO layers of the macros to Metal3/Metal4 caused DRC errors.
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## message-1447535226518634528
**2025-12-08T10:28:11.906+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Running out of things to try for fixing the antenna violations.
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## message-1447535514390495283
**2025-12-08T10:29:20.54+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Ok, the fail to route, I could see that on dense designs.
But moving pins shouldn't cause DRC errors ...
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## message-1447535755776884738
**2025-12-08T10:30:18.091+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But then again, the chip top you had posted last was actually clean from an Antenna PoV when using the fixed antenna check.
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## message-1447535907799564318
**2025-12-08T10:30:54.336+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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All I changed was move the pins, and suddenly I’m getting Metal3 clearance violations.
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## message-1447537090953871561
**2025-12-08T10:35:36.422+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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So you jus set `FP_IO_VLAYER` to 'Metal4' ?
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## message-1447546140730855529
**2025-12-08T11:11:34.057+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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@Tholin density errors? I wonder if the obstruction layer in the lef file is causing that. Would adding fill manually in the macro solve the problem?
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## message-1447546363184156672
**2025-12-08T11:12:27.094+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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No, clearance
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## message-1447546470680100944
**2025-12-08T11:12:52.723+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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And FP_IO_HLAYER to Metal3
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**2025-12-08T11:38:11.758+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Egor Lukyanchenko Yup works perfectly and matches the hacked up klayout version. Runtime is basically the same too.
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## message-1447553150570598522
**2025-12-08T11:39:25.333+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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You should probably close the KLayout issue :).
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## message-1447553370276630700
**2025-12-08T11:40:17.715+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I was just doing that right after posting the above 😁
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**2025-12-08T11:55:09.801+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Tholin Well it shouldn't happen, so it's definitely a bug, but I'd obviously need way more details to know what's going on 😅
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## message-1447557378001076235
**2025-12-08T11:56:13.231+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Unfortunately, I already deleted the files
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## message-1447557477259546635
**2025-12-08T11:56:36.896+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But I remember the DRC errors were in the power grid
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## message-1447557665374076978
**2025-12-08T11:57:21.746+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Two parallel, vertical straps on Metal4 were interrupted by a macro and generated Metal3 rects at the end, going to nowhere. And those were too close together.
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## message-1447557682457219123
**2025-12-08T11:57:25.819+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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No idea what was going on there.
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## message-1447558636053467290
**2025-12-08T12:01:13.174+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Oh ... mm, yeah, the template pdn is quite custom, maybe there is some config there messing things up.
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**2025-12-08T12:01:38.492+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But in any case, you should just retry with the new antenna check and see how things turn out now.
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## message-1447558877217427529
**2025-12-08T12:02:10.672+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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(Either pull it in manually or wait for it to be merged)
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## message-1447562170228408535
**2025-12-08T12:15:15.787+00:00 — Clyde Laforge (@scafir)**
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Seems like the last update of the pdk causes some false positive on space to wide rules on klayout
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## message-1447562244366794885
**2025-12-08T12:15:33.463+00:00 — Clyde Laforge (@scafir)**
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## message-1447562363695005726
**2025-12-08T12:16:01.913+00:00 — Clyde Laforge (@scafir)**
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Is it me misunderstanding the rules or an actual error of the pdk?
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## message-1447563200097816639
**2025-12-08T12:19:21.327+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Definitely looks like a false positive to me
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## message-1447566568903934005
**2025-12-08T12:32:44.513+00:00 — Clyde Laforge (@scafir)**
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Seems like "without_touching_edges" should be enabled at the separation check. I'll make a PR.
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## message-1447585082876493935
**2025-12-08T13:46:18.588+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I think you're hitting this issue: https://github.com/The-OpenROAD-Project/OpenROAD/issues/8868
Unfortunately, I don't want to risk updating OpenROAD so close to the tapeout. However, there is a workaround that I used for the project template. You can set the PDN halo around the macros slightly smaller than the halo size for cutting the rows.
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## message-1447585220449800234
**2025-12-08T13:46:51.388+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Thanks a lot, Clyde. I'll take a look at the PR!
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## message-1447595350331232307
**2025-12-08T14:27:06.54+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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I was bored and made a 5V dynamic DFF, though I don’t think I will tape anything out with it.
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## message-1447595382921105622
**2025-12-08T14:27:14.31+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1447595382921105622`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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It may be super unstable and I am out of space on my die anyways.
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## message-1447608976022966422
**2025-12-08T15:21:15.158+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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I've been trying to build a domino logic standard cell library, so this might be useful to study at least.
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## message-1447609346279342251
**2025-12-08T15:22:43.434+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1447609346279342251`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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13hrs for mine, ouch. what hardware is this running on? took ~4hrs on Ryzen 9950 here, wonder if it got stuck or something on the wafer.space platform. I had one error out that I canceled and restarted too
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## message-1447706733827985438
**2025-12-08T21:49:42.435+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tholin : If you're _bored_ then I've got a long list of things you can be doing. . .
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## message-1447707898154057798
**2025-12-08T21:54:20.032+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1447707898154057798`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1447707898154057798
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Are there still problems with my SCL?
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## message-1447708518844207275
**2025-12-08T21:56:48.016+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I know there is some config issues
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## message-1447708653993070772
**2025-12-08T21:57:20.238+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1447708653993070772`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I referenced the fd_sc configs *from the wafer.space PDK branch*, which might’ve been a mistake.
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## message-1447708750067662858
**2025-12-08T21:57:43.144+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Definitely caused us some confusion.
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## message-1447740072450461788
**2025-12-09T00:02:10.982+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I somehow managed to get an antenna-clean chip_top build with the broken antenna checker lol
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## message-1447740118373892096
**2025-12-09T00:02:21.931+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I optimized the macro pin orders to get more optimized top-level routing.
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## message-1447740141786632314
**2025-12-09T00:02:27.513+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I guess that helped
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## message-1447740155883552971
**2025-12-09T00:02:30.874+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But 48 magic DRC errors.
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## message-1447740302155579443
**2025-12-09T00:03:05.748+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Metal3 spacing
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## message-1447740720298594314
**2025-12-09T00:04:45.441+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I will try mole99’s trick
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## message-1447756580920492062
**2025-12-09T01:07:46.908+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Well, it looks like I’m all good to go
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## message-1447756769098072226
**2025-12-09T01:08:31.773+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m not going to change anything on my layout anymore
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## message-1447765415445921882
**2025-12-09T01:42:53.223+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I guess I don't understand what the dynamic means verse async verse "normal"
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## message-1447765941562769449
**2025-12-09T01:44:58.659+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The machine is running 9 other prechecks at the same time. It's also an older machine because I'm cheap.
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## message-1447772750453276817
**2025-12-09T02:12:02.025+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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ah ok, makes sense. apologies for eating a slot so long!
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## message-1447772998328385649
**2025-12-09T02:13:01.123+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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No apologies needed! You are actually paying for one, not like all these other free loaders 😉
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## message-1447774267834896447
**2025-12-09T02:18:03.797+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) - Which are the exactly weird / strange fill rule DRCs about active avoidance?
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**2025-12-09T02:25:08.557+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I assume @Leo Moser (mole99) is probably asleep at this moment. Anyone else recall / remember which ones they were?
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## message-1447779024360443914
**2025-12-09T02:36:57.841+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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I got the AI to update it's recommendation around "cloud machines" for EDA development with @BreakingTaps addition -> https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/44717da0-d032-4bb2-9763-87dcfbb66a8a
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## message-1447780172534251590
**2025-12-09T02:41:31.587+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I think this was it -> https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423349035892478074/1425377835953946694
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## message-1447796037388468289
**2025-12-09T03:44:34.063+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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Rules DM.4-7 https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_13_3.html
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## message-1447796326614962238
**2025-12-09T03:45:43.02+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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And the general problem is meeting metal density rules while avoiding fill above/below active metal?
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## message-1447798200118411377
**2025-12-09T03:53:09.698+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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As far as I get it yes. The main problem is Metal2 in digital designs, cause there always is Metal1 in std cells, even in fillers, at least in rails.
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## message-1447816376881254542
**2025-12-09T05:05:23.376+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1447850901049053195
**2025-12-09T07:22:34.579+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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DPF.12, DPF.13, DM.4_DM.6 and DM.5_DM.7. However, DM.5_DM.7 causes the most issues due the Metal1 in all standard cells.
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## message-1447851478458044517
**2025-12-09T07:24:52.244+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Morning! Okay - I sent them an email asking what form they would like questions about these DRC rules.
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## message-1447853968725114991
**2025-12-09T07:34:45.97+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I'd be curious to check the data from GFMPW0/1 and if the fill was compliant with those rules 😅
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## message-1447854165312147548
**2025-12-09T07:35:32.84+00:00 — urish**
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IIRC the filled ones were never published
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## message-1447865377412616202
**2025-12-09T08:20:06.013+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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I doubt it :). Also there were definitely a lot of antenna errors, at least in my design for sure :).
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## message-1447888318502273066
**2025-12-09T09:51:15.595+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Still DRC errors
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## message-1447947629144178738
**2025-12-09T13:46:56.354+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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@Tim Edwards Could you please give me a comprehensive list of issues and shortcomings you still see with my SCL?
Depending on how long that list is, I can’t promise I’ll get to all of it, but I can try.
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## message-1447961691206979666
**2025-12-09T14:42:49.011+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tholin : Honestly, the standard cell library is great. As far as I know, my only issue with it right now is that you were using variable PAD_CELL_LIBRARY in your librelane setup file, which is apparently incompatible with the dev version of librelane. I was able to work around it by deleting those lines from the setup file (I'm not including pad cells in my synthesis anyway, for now), but it needs some future-proof fix. Apart from that, I assume I could get a better synthesis if I had additional cells like a half-adder, full-adder, 4-input basic logic gates, and more variations of OAI cells. And a slow corner liberty file would be good. But the library is usable as-is.
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## message-1447962900810432705
**2025-12-09T14:47:37.403+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Never said I was done adding cells. I think I added the last of the AOI cells recently.
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## message-1447963161805324428
**2025-12-09T14:48:39.629+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m taking a RISC-approach. I ran synthesis on a big RISC-V core with sky130_fd_sc_hd back when I was doing my sky130 SCL and looked only at cells that got used more than 100 times.
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## message-1447963237084565556
**2025-12-09T14:48:57.577+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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> I assume I could get a better synthesis if I had additional cells like a half-adder, full-adder
probably not. these cells are not inferable because they have multiple outputs.
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## message-1447963275340812469
**2025-12-09T14:49:06.698+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1447963275340812469`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Indeed
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## message-1447963427766141089
**2025-12-09T14:49:43.039+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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A vlsiffra backend for my SCL is the only thing that those would be good for.
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## message-1447963497408368783
**2025-12-09T14:49:59.643+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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and honestly, if you're gonna design custom cells to accelerate arithmetic, something targeted towards a more efficient parallel-prefix adder would be best, I think
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## message-1447963609438224544
**2025-12-09T14:50:26.353+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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But a full-adder is actually just one maj3 and one xor3 cell jammed together. So if I add xor3, that’d also work.
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## message-1447964154135707698
**2025-12-09T14:52:36.219+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Lofty : I was assuming that full adders and half adders would come with mapping files for yosys.
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## message-1447964312768348331
**2025-12-09T14:53:14.04+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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I would advise against such an approach
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## message-1447964382691590285
**2025-12-09T14:53:30.711+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1447964382691590285`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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I’ve never seen yosys synthesize adder cells
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## message-1447964474316292126
**2025-12-09T14:53:52.556+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1447964474316292126`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Default`
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```text
the default structure for an adder in Yosys is Brent-Kung
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## message-1447964518008356997
**2025-12-09T14:54:02.973+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1447964518008356997`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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Okay, if I add xor3 and oai33, I can add my SCL as a technology backend to vlsiffra.
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## message-1447964584223969371
**2025-12-09T14:54:18.76+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1447964584223969371`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I am actually almost there.
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## message-1447964613890277377
**2025-12-09T14:54:25.833+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1447964613890277377`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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```text
might be interesting to think about a csa42, but
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## message-1447964695217569964
**2025-12-09T14:54:45.223+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1447964695217569964`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I don’t know what csa42 is
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## message-1447964737638895859
**2025-12-09T14:54:55.337+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1447964737638895859`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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4:2 compressor for a carry-save adder
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## message-1447964777178468564
**2025-12-09T14:55:04.764+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1447964777178468564`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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full adders are 3:2 compressors, as such
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## message-1447965088433569823
**2025-12-09T14:56:18.973+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1447965088433569823`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-09T14:56:36.278+00:00
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The main things I saw that were missing were DFFEs and flops with sync set/clear (the latter being useful for absorbing an OR or ANDN on non-reset datapath flops)
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## message-1447965348380016864
**2025-12-09T14:57:20.949+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1447965348380016864`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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Also ICGs, but I don't think many people are using clock gates, partly because our CTS doesn't balance through them very well
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## message-1447965716811743384
**2025-12-09T14:58:48.79+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1447965716811743384`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Wow, I looked up how fd_sc did its xor3 because I thought "there has to be a more elegant solution than concatenating two xor2 cells" but nope. Its just two xor2 cells slapped together.
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## message-1447965799628275883
**2025-12-09T14:59:08.535+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1447965799628275883`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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@Lofty : I do analog stuff mostly. I'm generally happy with whatever yosys synthesizes, because I'm not doing for ultra high performance digital.
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## message-1447965895229177939
**2025-12-09T14:59:31.328+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1447965895229177939`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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well, unfortunately, it is my job to improve "whatever yosys synthesises" ^^;
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## message-1447965952682492035
**2025-12-09T14:59:45.026+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1447965952682492035`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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@Tholin : Don't look for inspiration from the foundry libraries, or you'll be disappointed.
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## message-1447966082911440987
**2025-12-09T15:00:16.075+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1447966082911440987`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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But I’m looking at the boolean logic and I don’t see a better way with less transistors either.
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## message-1447966102272610414
**2025-12-09T15:00:20.691+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1447966102272610414`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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XOR is just weird
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## message-1447966133675364454
**2025-12-09T15:00:28.178+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Nickname: Tholin
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It eats into your transistor count no matter what you do
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## message-1447966223043137588
**2025-12-09T15:00:49.485+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Lofty : Understood. I was just explaining why elegant adder solutions are not on my priorities list. : )
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## message-1447966485413756928
**2025-12-09T15:01:52.039+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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(I find it interesting that in domino logic structures a xor2 is isomorphic to a mux2)
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## message-1447968070898286714
**2025-12-09T15:08:10.048+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1447968070898286714`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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My todo list is quite small now. It turns out that aoi cells already cover most of what yosys needs for efficient outputs. I just need oai21 and oai22 and I’m done.
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## message-1447968139618029588
**2025-12-09T15:08:26.432+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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And oa33 if I want to add that vlsiffra backend.
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## message-1447978511091634387
**2025-12-09T15:49:39.184+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1447978511091634387`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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I was working on vlsiffra for gf180mcu and other technologies at the time I left Google
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## message-1447978611633160405
**2025-12-09T15:50:03.155+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1447978611633160405`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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https://github.com/mithro/vlsiffra/branches/all
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## message-1447982529842774138
**2025-12-09T16:05:37.329+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I used vlsiffra during my tapeout here
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## message-1447995231596314766
**2025-12-09T16:56:05.663+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
- Message ID: `1447995231596314766`
- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
- Nickname: ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
- User name: rzioma
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You have to tell it to use them:
SYNTH_ADDER_TYPE: FA
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## message-1448004347219935343
**2025-12-09T17:32:18.997+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1448004347219935343`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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silly newbie question: so yosys has a collection of default strategies/cells to synthesize math and logic, but you can swap in other cells (potentially higher performance but more area, other tradeoffs, etc) and yosys will instead generate with those? Is there a way to tell it which parts of the design to use which cells?
Or would you have to generate/harden individual blocks and use those in a larger design to guarantee what cells are used?
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## message-1448007342103990322
**2025-12-09T17:44:13.033+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1448007342103990322`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Reply`
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okay, here's some rough yosys internals. Yosys represents your netlist as a bunch of relatively high-level cells; e.g. an adder is a `$add` cell. synthesis is the job of taking these high-level concept cells and lowering them into concrete implementations. one way you can do that is with the `techmap` command, which takes in a "mapping" Verilog file, and replaces a cell with the contents of that mapping for the cell. the "different strategies" *generally* amount to passing a `techmap` file to map the cell however you want it before the default mapping is applied
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## message-1448007585142804480
**2025-12-09T17:45:10.978+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1448007585142804480`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Default`
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and yes, you can ask `techmap` to apply only on certain parts of the design. but this is, admittedly, somewhat fragile, and librelane doesn't really expose this
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## message-1448007765418049567
**2025-12-09T17:45:53.959+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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gotcha, thanks for the details!
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## message-1448007957785612370
**2025-12-09T17:46:39.823+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1448007957785612370`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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i see that things are / can be much more complicated than just hitting the "build" button and accepting whatever is spit out 🙂
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## message-1448008744897220618
**2025-12-09T17:49:47.485+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1448008744897220618`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
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~~if they aren't, users will complain :p~~
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## message-1448009516598956053
**2025-12-09T17:52:51.473+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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at a higher workflow level, I assume larger projects like to prebuild and harden smaller units to make the project easier to manage (and optimize)? Instead of letting ALU, LSU, etc all regenerate each time, it'd probably make sense to bake those into small IP blocks and just drop them into the final design?
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## message-1448009825429618778
**2025-12-09T17:54:05.104+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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It depends. in a lot of ways this can actually result in a worse end product than if you throw the whole thing at it
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## message-1448010096209821931
**2025-12-09T17:55:09.663+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1448010096209821931`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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yeah fair, easier to manage but harder to actually optimize since each block is independent
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## message-1448010195610370190
**2025-12-09T17:55:33.362+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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a lot of optimisations become impossible because of the opaqueness of other blocks
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## message-1448010263172485371
**2025-12-09T17:55:49.47+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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and, well, Yosys does relatively okay, runtime/scalability-wise
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## message-1448010323788300289
**2025-12-09T17:56:03.922+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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e.g. my 112k gate design takes 7 minutes to synthesise, which I think is okay.
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## message-1448010799766311205
**2025-12-09T17:57:57.404+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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Most people do not have designs that big, I think
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## message-1448010895044382740
**2025-12-09T17:58:20.12+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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it's all the downstream steps that end up slow though right? all the routing/timing stuff (i.e. on my machine it's like an hour or two)? I assumed that would get baked into each block and speed up the final build process
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## message-1448011025097035838
**2025-12-09T17:58:51.127+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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It's not like that stuff goes away even when you bake things into macros.
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## message-1448011211999547515
**2025-12-09T17:59:35.688+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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ah, nevermind then 🙂 I really need to dig into how these tools work more so I have a better intuition about what's going on
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**2025-12-09T17:59:59.711+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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big ol' blackbox for me right now. feed verilog, get chip 😂
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## message-1448011372574277867
**2025-12-09T18:00:13.972+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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It's a dangerous path to go down :p
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## message-1448011723033284679
**2025-12-09T18:01:37.528+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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*smiles*
One day your life may be an iceberg with `&mfs`, `aiger vs xaiger flops` and `nldm vs ccs` at the bottom
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## message-1448011735587098625
**2025-12-09T18:01:40.521+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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:3
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**2025-12-09T18:02:07.623+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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I will enjoy my ignorance of those commands while I can 😄
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## message-1448030245088399411
**2025-12-09T19:15:13.53+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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I did a bit of work in this with different adder topologies: https://www.zerotoasiccourse.com/post/instrumenting-hardware-adders/
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## message-1448030574278217738
**2025-12-09T19:16:32.015+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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I should get round to publishing the results
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## message-1448031024171843744
**2025-12-09T19:18:19.278+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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## message-1448031182963871997
**2025-12-09T19:18:57.137+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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Interesting takeaway is that ripple adders are the fastest if you only need 8 bits
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## message-1448031273326215239
**2025-12-09T19:19:18.681+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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Behavioural is yosys default
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## message-1448035284276088932
**2025-12-09T19:35:14.966+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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I'd love to see the area tradeoff for each!
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## message-1448088333346406472
**2025-12-09T23:06:02.85+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Before NVIDIA stole Teo, he was working on a whole bunch of adder analysis stuff
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## message-1448088369010577592
**2025-12-09T23:06:11.353+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1448089236355022910
**2025-12-09T23:09:38.144+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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yeah, I remember talking to him about his adder tree stuff
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## message-1448166267050655807
**2025-12-10T04:15:43.693+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I believe I have the changes which mean I can use multiple machines to run precheck commands (and also update the server code without killing currently running prechecks).
I have picked up a couple of EX63 hetzner servers with Intel Core Ultra 7 265 Arrow Lake and 192GB memory to run the prechecks.
AI says they are 4,663 single threaded performance compared to the current 1,200 single threaded performance.
I'm just working on testing everything with test-platform.wafer.space before deploying it to the production platform.wafer.space
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## message-1448168388588212265
**2025-12-10T04:24:09.507+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1448168388588212265`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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I'll have an update about the deadline in the #announcements and to the mailing list shortly.
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## message-1448284980517015643
**2025-12-10T12:07:27.189+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448284980517015643`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I apparently can’t have both no antenna violations and no Metal3 clearance violations from that bug.
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## message-1448285007004176405
**2025-12-10T12:07:33.504+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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And there is only 48 of the clearance violations.
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## message-1448285046451474554
**2025-12-10T12:07:42.909+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448285046451474554`
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So imma just go in with klayout -e and remove them by hand.
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## message-1448290393685889025
**2025-12-10T12:28:57.789+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1448328964778229944
**2025-12-10T15:02:13.854+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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There is this cursed thing. The PMOS sources are floating but I think that would still be manufacturable on P-substrate? 🤔 from: https://pubs.aip.org/aip/acp/article-pdf/1324/1/346/11503305/346_1_online.pdf
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## message-1448329008206053530
**2025-12-10T15:02:24.208+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1448329008206053530`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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There are also GDI gates but I don't think you can do those on GF180MCU
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## message-1448329379707879586
**2025-12-10T15:03:52.781+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448329379707879586`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I tried building alternative XOR layouts before, but they’re all super slow and have terrible logic high and/or logic low output levels.
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## message-1448329564999651369
**2025-12-10T15:04:36.958+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448329564999651369`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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You can do two transistor pair XOR if you want it to have nanosecond long transition times and 1V logic low, 4V logic high on the output.
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## message-1448331102665052272
**2025-12-10T15:10:43.566+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Yeah I figured it would need extra buffering but that the ratio might tip in its favour for larger XOR cells
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## message-1448331135074701545
**2025-12-10T15:10:51.293+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Guess it is on me to go prove that 😅
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## message-1448335276547248292
**2025-12-10T15:27:18.697+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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**Content**
````text
@Tholin : The verilog for the set-reset flop got kind of scrambled. It should be:
```
module gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3__dfsrtp_2(
input VPW,
input VNW,
input VDD,
input VSS,
input CLK,
input D,
input RN,
input SN,
output Q
);
reg state;
wire sr;
assign sr = ~(RN & SN);
assign Q = state;
always @(posedge CLK or posedge sr) begin
if (sr == 1'b1) begin
if (RN == 1'b0) begin
state <= 1'b0;
end else if (SN == 1'b0) begin
state <= 1'b1;
end
end else begin
state <= D;
end
end
endmodule
```
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## message-1448426872378626068
**2025-12-10T21:31:16.845+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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this simulation model is not IEEE 1364.1 compliant, as far as I can tell
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## message-1448427293956640799
**2025-12-10T21:32:57.357+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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````text
```verilog
module gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3__dfsrtp_2(
input VPW,
input VNW,
input VDD,
input VSS,
input CLK,
input D,
input RN,
input SN,
output Q
);
reg state;
assign Q = state;
always @(posedge CLK or negedge RN or negedge SN) begin
if (RN == 1'b0) begin
state <= 1'b0;
end else if (SN == 1'b0) begin
state <= 1'b1;
end else begin
state <= D;
end
end
endmodule
```
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## message-1448471080996962344
**2025-12-11T00:26:57.001+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1448471080996962344`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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@Lofty : That one was my quick one-minute don't-think-about-it solution to getting some simulations to run. Ultimately, the code has to deal somehow with the fact that RN and SN both going low at the same time is an invalid state. Usually that's done with truth tables, not behavioral code. At any rate, what got into the repo yesterday was not just non-compliant, it was just wrong.
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## message-1448471880184103055
**2025-12-11T00:30:07.542+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1448471880184103055`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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Morning -- I'm finishing up the plan to do the upgrade of platform.wafer.space today which will bring the fast precheck workers online.
```
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## message-1448472028167274566
**2025-12-11T00:30:42.824+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1448472028167274566`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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I haven't had a chance to look over all my email or discord messages yet. If there is something that should get my attention - please `@` me.
```
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## message-1448599582446714970
**2025-12-11T08:57:34.134+00:00 — chvsnaveen12**
- Message ID: `1448599582446714970`
- Author ID: `577409759624560645`
- Nickname: chvsnaveen12
- User name: chvsnaveen12
- Type: `Default`
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```text
@Tim 'mithro' Ansell What's the earliest we can submit a design for tapeout? Is it going to be next april?
```
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## message-1448600280558997625
**2025-12-11T09:00:20.577+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1448600280558997625`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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I assume you mean for the next tapeout?
```
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---
## message-1448601804504829992
**2025-12-11T09:06:23.914+00:00 — chvsnaveen12**
- Message ID: `1448601804504829992`
- Author ID: `577409759624560645`
- Nickname: chvsnaveen12
- User name: chvsnaveen12
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-11T09:06:52.225+00:00
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I meant the next tapeout, but being curious would it be possible to submit for this one?
```
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## message-1448603992203595817
**2025-12-11T09:15:05.502+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1448603992203595817`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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```text
Do you want a free slot or are you willing to pay for it?
```
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## message-1448607363236892735
**2025-12-11T09:28:29.219+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1448607363236892735`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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**Content**
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@chvsnaveen12: You can create a design on platform.wafer.space right now and see if it passes the precheck runs.
When we finish doing shuttle slot assignments there might be empty space that something which is manufacturable on the platform would end up getting put into.
Paying obviously gets you ahead of the queue when slot assignments happen.
At the moment there /may/ be some 1×0.5 (Half Height) slots that we end up looking for things to put in.
There is also the chance that some people don't end up delivering manufacturable stuff which means we have more open slots which need to be filled.
```
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## message-1448609209435426857
**2025-12-11T09:35:49.387+00:00 — chvsnaveen12**
- Message ID: `1448609209435426857`
- Author ID: `577409759624560645`
- Nickname: chvsnaveen12
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Alright, could you let me know both of the options? If there is a free slot available and if I have to pay for a full/half slot how much would that be?
```
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## message-1448609681831628860
**2025-12-11T09:37:42.015+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1448609681831628860`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-11T09:38:26.501+00:00
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**Content**
```text
@chvsnaveen12 - Currently payment is $7k / $8.5k USD for a slot and kind of needs to have been done yesterday. CrowdSupply might be willing to make that happen for you.
There is currently no way to "pay" for a half slot. Basically you need to have something on the platform.wafer.space site which is manufacturable at the time of assignment.
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## message-1448610238583275621
**2025-12-11T09:39:54.755+00:00 — chvsnaveen12**
- Message ID: `1448610238583275621`
- Author ID: `577409759624560645`
- Nickname: chvsnaveen12
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```text
Oh alright. Thanks for the info. Given the scenario, We'll try to put our design on the platform right now for half a slot. Probably for the next shuttle we'll purchase a full slot.
```
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## message-1448610836854603897
**2025-12-11T09:42:17.394+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1448610836854603897`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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@chvsnaveen12 - That is great to hear!
```
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---
## message-1448610962960551997
**2025-12-11T09:42:47.46+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1448610962960551997`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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**Content**
```text
With the number of people saying they are looking to purchase slots on the second shuttle, I'm starting to wonder if we might actually sell out.....
```
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## message-1448611670581710908
**2025-12-11T09:45:36.17+00:00 — Clyde Laforge (@scafir)**
- Message ID: `1448611670581710908`
- Author ID: `1401841055975870476`
- Nickname: Clyde Laforge
- User name: scafir
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
Hey, seems like the pdk's run_drc.py` (klayout) does not run dummy checks for DRC. I don't quite understand how precheck runs the klayout drc. Could this be a problem?
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## message-1448611742576939141
**2025-12-11T09:45:53.335+00:00 — SecurityBrahh (@securitybrahh)**
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Do you do freepdk-45 or sky90?
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## message-1448611800361730119
**2025-12-11T09:46:07.112+00:00 — chvsnaveen12**
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Let's hypothetically say that you guys choose to manufacture the design, how much would I need to pay for the bonded dies to PCBs?
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## message-1448612517919068171
**2025-12-11T09:48:58.191+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1448612517919068171`
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The precheck runs DRC through LibreLane, including dummy checks, so that is not a problem. However, we should update the `run_drc.py` in this case.
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## message-1448613262458490911
**2025-12-11T09:51:55.703+00:00 — Clyde Laforge (@scafir)**
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Good! II guess we could integrate the dummy checks in the feol checks rather than keep this switch
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## message-1448614227500728531
**2025-12-11T09:55:45.787+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I haven't quite figured out what I'm doing regarding COB stuff for the free slots yet....
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## message-1448615427214278757
**2025-12-11T10:00:31.821+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, that was done in this PR: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/pull/1
But we can move it to any other.
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## message-1448619044923113544
**2025-12-11T10:14:54.35+00:00 — chvsnaveen12**
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Alright, if there's any update do let me know. We'll be willing to pay for the packaging and other charges if it proceeds to manufacturing.
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## message-1448619467667148882
**2025-12-11T10:16:35.14+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm currently planning on the idea that people who have done designs that we have manufactured for free end up with something useful for them without having to pay. The exact details are still unknown and depends on lots of different things and unclear if it is even worth the hassle for there to be options to pay something to get more and such.
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## message-1448619524793569323
**2025-12-11T10:16:48.76+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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First step is to get the stuff to GF for manufacturing 🙂
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## message-1448667191162568736
**2025-12-11T13:26:13.308+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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FreePDK45 is explicitly not manufacturable, and sky90 doesn't exist.
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## message-1448700838661853225
**2025-12-11T15:39:55.497+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Is somewhere here "meiniki" working on FazyRV ?
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## message-1448703878404247768
**2025-12-11T15:52:00.228+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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that's @Meinhard Kissich
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## message-1448704148827803669
**2025-12-11T15:53:04.702+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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He's listed in the spreadsheet
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## message-1448704778778710189
**2025-12-11T15:55:34.894+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Meinhard Kissich - FYI - I cancelled the check you started on test-platform.wafer.space
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## message-1448709709287788635
**2025-12-11T16:15:10.419+00:00 — Meinhard Kissich (@meinhard)**
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I had remembered to upload to both instances, but that information is likely outdated. Thanks for pointing out 🙂
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## message-1448711522451853393
**2025-12-11T16:22:22.711+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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You got a sneak preview of the updates I'm trying to deploy to platform.wafer.space 🙂
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## message-1448726718213787880
**2025-12-11T17:22:45.663+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448726718213787880`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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I had a check that was a minute away from completing :flop:
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## message-1448727004227702794
**2025-12-11T17:23:53.854+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
- Message ID: `1448727004227702794`
- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
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I have related question - I am looking for the smallest possible area population count circuits (populations are 128 bits and higher).
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## message-1448727180564627530
**2025-12-11T17:24:35.896+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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So far I found that adder tree made out FA cells gives me the best result.
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## message-1448727258410913943
**2025-12-11T17:24:54.456+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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It ends up being approximately 1 FA cell per 1 input bit.
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## message-1448727262563270770
**2025-12-11T17:24:55.446+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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oh, popcount is fun. I assume you want a combinational approach :p
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## message-1448727278686048266
**2025-12-11T17:24:59.29+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Nevermind. I reloaded the page and
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## message-1448727339855777862
**2025-12-11T17:25:13.874+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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First time in weeks. I can finally rest now.
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## message-1448727366733135943
**2025-12-11T17:25:20.282+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Yes, purely combinational.
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## message-1448727639950098615
**2025-12-11T17:26:25.422+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Speed is comparatively not important for me.
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## message-1448727713589366897
**2025-12-11T17:26:42.979+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Minimizing the area is the main goal.
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## message-1448727909325078651
**2025-12-11T17:27:29.646+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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do you remember me talking about compressors?
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## message-1448728217186861077
**2025-12-11T17:28:43.046+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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4:2 one?
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## message-1448728303329611888
**2025-12-11T17:29:03.584+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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yes, but a full adder is itself a 3:2 compressor
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## message-1448728441149984991
**2025-12-11T17:29:36.443+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Or did I ask you about popcount already? 🙂
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## message-1448728471516872925
**2025-12-11T17:29:43.683+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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no, you didn't :p
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## message-1448728571588775997
**2025-12-11T17:30:07.542+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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FA = 3:2 compressor, I understand that part.
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## message-1448728641470070945
**2025-12-11T17:30:24.203+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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a FA feeding into a FA is one way to implement a 4:2 compressor
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## message-1448729025471316049
**2025-12-11T17:31:55.756+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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I feel like an adder tree probably is the most optimal way to implement this, but I'll have a think
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## message-1448729053572890675
**2025-12-11T17:32:02.456+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Right now I am building a wide FA array that feeds into another smaller FA array... and on like that
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## message-1448729414639685764
**2025-12-11T17:33:28.541+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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I assume you're adding triplets of bits for the first layer with FAs?
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## message-1448729761198112912
**2025-12-11T17:34:51.167+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Yes
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## message-1448729938730549309
**2025-12-11T17:35:33.494+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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(*would* be nice if we could use 4:2 compressors here)
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## message-1448730561467383870
**2025-12-11T17:38:01.966+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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I use patterns like that which build from smaller components hierarchically:
```module PopCount128 (
input [127:0] data,
output [7:0] count // 8 bits to hold from 0 to 128 (inclusive)
);
wire [43:0] bit0_stage1;
wire [15:0] bit0_stage2;
wire [ 5:0] bit0_stage3;
wire [ 1:0] bit0_stage4;
wire [41:0] bit1_stage1;
wire [13:0] bit1_stage2;
wire [ 4:0] bit1_stage3;
wire [ 1:0] bit1_stage4;
wire bit1_stage5;
Add128 ad0(.data(data), .sum(bit0_stage1), .carry(bit1_stage1)); // 42
Add44 add1(.data(bit0_stage1), .sum(bit0_stage2), .carry(bit1_stage2)); // 14
Add16 add3(.data(bit0_stage2), .sum(bit0_stage3), .carry(bit1_stage3)); // 5
Add6 add4(.data(bit0_stage3), .sum(bit0_stage4), .carry(bit1_stage4)); // 2
Add2 add5(.data(bit0_stage4), .sum(count[0]), .carry(bit1_stage5)); // 0.625
wire [63:0] pop64 = {bit1_stage1, bit1_stage2, bit1_stage3, bit1_stage4, bit1_stage5};
PopCount64 count64(.data(pop64), .count(count[7:1]));
endmodule```
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## message-1448730778916749415
**2025-12-11T17:38:53.81+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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compressor 128=>44 =>16
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## message-1448730819949498439
**2025-12-11T17:39:03.593+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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What's your use case for this, out of curiosity?
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## message-1448730931732025445
**2025-12-11T17:39:30.244+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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neural networks 🙂
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## message-1448731355319111680
**2025-12-11T17:41:11.235+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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either 1) neural nets with (stationary) ternary weights or
b) summation at the end of the Logic Gate Networks (LGN aka differentiable logic)
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## message-1448731717010456798
**2025-12-11T17:42:37.469+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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It works well with SKY130 PDK FA/HA cells, but not sure what is the best for GF180
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## message-1448732042643636266
**2025-12-11T17:43:55.106+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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In GF180 atm I am using `$popcount()` in combination with `SYNTH_ADDER_TYPE: FA` instead.
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## message-1448732748939530340
**2025-12-11T17:46:43.5+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
- Message ID: `1448732748939530340`
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*(there are of course no FA cells in GF180 PDK, but it seems to produce slightly smaller area this way... maybe just a coincidence... also seems to synthesise/route faster)*
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## message-1448733158148149454
**2025-12-11T17:48:21.063+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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Okay, that changes things
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## message-1448733612554981416
**2025-12-11T17:50:09.402+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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what do you get if you literally do `data[0] + data[1] + ...`?
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## message-1448733780540915722
**2025-12-11T17:50:49.453+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma Given the application, I'm wondering if approximation are ok ?
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## message-1448733875642564618
**2025-12-11T17:51:12.127+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Approximations are OK.
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## message-1448734154966569133
**2025-12-11T17:52:18.723+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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That usually does not work as well. Definitely worse (in terms of area) on SKY130 than `FA/HA solution` and worse than `$popcount()` for GF180.
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## message-1448734563256893500
**2025-12-11T17:53:56.067+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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yosys has...no handling for `$popcount` that I can find?
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## message-1448734860540903557
**2025-12-11T17:55:06.945+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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I don't get any errors and tests run.
Gate level gives me weirds results though 😉
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## message-1448734902651584697
**2025-12-11T17:55:16.985+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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are you using slang?
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## message-1448735024936390766
**2025-12-11T17:55:46.14+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Not at the moment.
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## message-1448740821875822759
**2025-12-11T18:18:48.238+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Actually I wanted to use analog summation, but I don't feel that I can make a one that works reliably with more than 10 inputs 😉
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## message-1448745289467953173
**2025-12-11T18:36:33.395+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma Yeah that's what I was thinking, just summing some unit currents and then use some form of flash adc to convert to binary.
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## message-1448746007641985078
**2025-12-11T18:39:24.621+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Actually it is even better, I don’t even need the binary values.
What I need is to compare either 2 or 10 currents and just pick the index of the largest one.
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## message-1448746092257607804
**2025-12-11T18:39:44.795+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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I need argmax operation essentially
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## message-1448746276551262410
**2025-12-11T18:40:28.734+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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So maybe comparator would be enough instead of ADC
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## message-1448746470437294151
**2025-12-11T18:41:14.96+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Oh yeah, that makes it easier,.
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## message-1448848703627460779
**2025-12-12T01:27:29.252+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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hurray
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## message-1448878236808384664
**2025-12-12T03:24:50.511+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Now here hoping I haven't screwed something up which makes the system thing non-clean things are clean!
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## message-1449056042150400190
**2025-12-12T15:11:22.608+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Congrats, you're popular enough to spam 🙂
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## message-1449057198943637575
**2025-12-12T15:15:58.409+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Need more moderators 😅
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## message-1449089610855481354
**2025-12-12T17:24:46.011+00:00 — ewen (@ewenmcneill)**
- Message ID: `1449089610855481354`
- Author ID: `481315203930128384`
- Nickname: ewen
- User name: ewenmcneill
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-12T17:25:02.53+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1449089610855481354
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**Content**
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It’s probably also time to make some channels restricted posting, to limit the noise.
Eg, having an “announcements” or “rules” channel that anyone can post in (or allowing general discussion in “announcements”), rather defeats the purpose of having separate channels for announcements.
Most servers limit posting in those types of channels to a small set of pre-approved users. Which also avoids getting spam in those channels.
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## message-1449189919074418800
**2025-12-13T00:03:21.354+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
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Where?
```
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## message-1449190333010280614
**2025-12-13T00:05:00.044+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1449190333010280614`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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@Andrew Wingate - You seem to understand discord enough to make that happen?
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## message-1449190535649558715
**2025-12-13T00:05:48.357+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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I banned them and cleaned it up.
Not much you can do to stop them from happining.
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## message-1449190730152153170
**2025-12-13T00:06:34.73+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@ewen was mentioning converting the announcement and rules channels?
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## message-1449193243383435284
**2025-12-13T00:16:33.931+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1449193243383435284`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
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@ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma - Is https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Koulab-Mukherjee/publication/398423265_Analysis_and_Design_of_a_Parametric_Hybrid_Adder_with_Tunable_Accuracy_Using_Kogge-Stone_and_Approximate_Ripple-Carry_Architecture/links/69358cf90c98040d481bdc34/Analysis-and-Design-of-a-Parametric-Hybrid-Adder-with-Tunable-Accuracy-Using-Kogge-Stone-and-Approximate-Ripple-Carry-Architecture.pdf anyway related to your ideas?
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## message-1449194457592496291
**2025-12-13T00:21:23.421+00:00 — ewen (@ewenmcneill)**
- Message ID: `1449194457592496291`
- Author ID: `481315203930128384`
- Nickname: ewen
- User name: ewenmcneill
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**Content**
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Specifically making the "admin"-like channels (eg, #announcements and #welcome-and-rules ) limited to admins (and other specifically approved people) to post. That'd also avoid announcements turning into a discussion channel, obscuring the announcements (which has happened at least once already).
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## message-1449217635236450387
**2025-12-13T01:53:29.402+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
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Yeah, I had mentioned making announcements admin only so important things don't get pushed off.
It won't keep spammers from doing things though
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## message-1449229103768272948
**2025-12-13T02:39:03.713+00:00 — ewen (@ewenmcneill)**
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It does reduce the blast radius a bit though 😀
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## message-1449250868775096351
**2025-12-13T04:05:32.895+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1449250868775096351`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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BTW @ewen - You the ewen who I know through LCA and a bunch of past FPGA stuff?
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## message-1449252686930120715
**2025-12-13T04:12:46.377+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1449252686930120715`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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@Andrew Wingate - I deputize you to do what is needed 🙂
```
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## message-1449278724632612945
**2025-12-13T05:56:14.249+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1449278724632612945`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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FYI - I'm not going to be available on Monday (15th Dec), which is Sunday for most people in the US.
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## message-1449311713592741899
**2025-12-13T08:07:19.43+00:00 — ewen (@ewenmcneill)**
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- Author ID: `481315203930128384`
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Yes! (My actual Discord username is slightly more identifying, but for better or worse my display name became what I use on IRC.)
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## message-1449312122382319690
**2025-12-13T08:08:56.893+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Going to do an ASIC now? 😛
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## message-1449312494962212979
**2025-12-13T08:10:25.723+00:00 — ewen (@ewenmcneill)**
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- Author ID: `481315203930128384`
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Definitely not this time! But maybe eventually.... 🤔
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**2025-12-13T08:10:58.737+00:00 — ewen (@ewenmcneill)**
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(Mostly just here as "interesting topic, know some of the people, should vaguely pay attention")
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## message-1449581904172154980
**2025-12-14T02:00:57.884+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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How is everyone today?
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## message-1449785276288204930
**2025-12-14T15:29:05.575+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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## message-1449785327945519254
**2025-12-14T15:29:17.891+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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Today bmx only
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## message-1449836541525491743
**2025-12-14T18:52:48.16+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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- Author ID: `492702620759228416`
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## message-1449872948285669406
**2025-12-14T21:17:28.208+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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I'd be very happy to pay something to get some TinyQV chips, if you do end up making and bonding them! I might also be interested in a pack of boards with chips of different public designs, were such a thing to be available. But I appreciate the focus is on getting stuff to GF for now 🙂
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## message-1450031312932179979
**2025-12-15T07:46:45.282+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1450273698669002916
**2025-12-15T23:49:54.545+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Morning everyone, hopefully everyone had a productive and/or fun weekend!
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## message-1450295270142115974
**2025-12-16T01:15:37.585+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1450295270142115974`
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@ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma & @LukeW - I could use your feedback on the following AI generated output -> https://github.com/mithro/gf180mcu-sram-forge/pull/35
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## message-1450516794052706508
**2025-12-16T15:55:53.001+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1450516794052706508`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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What’s with the duplicating log lines?
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## message-1450517420727992492
**2025-12-16T15:58:22.412+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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it's weird, but equally, I think it's kind of a confidence tick that something is happening and it hasn't disconnected or got stuck.
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## message-1450518029619302400
**2025-12-16T16:00:47.583+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I don’t like that there’s two empty lines in-between. That looks quite ugly.
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## message-1450518551231467641
**2025-12-16T16:02:51.945+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I actually think it's an error in how my code is handling the docker log outputs.
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## message-1450684091455377549
**2025-12-17T03:00:39.81+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) @Tim 'mithro' Ansell I think the default compile scripts for magic and netgen have optimization turned off.
I wonder how much of a speed up you'd get with optimization turned on. Be warned that I think I got conflicting results with optimization on.
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## message-1450685903381987350
**2025-12-17T03:07:51.807+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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It would be nice if we could have nix install both the optimized and non-optimized version side-by-side and let us run a direct comparison with the same input data....
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## message-1450872320339087443
**2025-12-17T15:28:37.073+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1450872320339087443`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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I keep the compile optimizations turned off because (1) I want to be able to debug immediately if anything goes wrong, and (2) I have not found much difference between running with and without optimization. Maybe now that the tapeout is done and I'm done with the 3.3V SRAM development for now, I can work on some code development (finally---way too many items on that "to do" list).
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## message-1450957081548165271
**2025-12-17T21:05:25.72+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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- Author ID: `738396032295108721`
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- Type: `Reply`
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CVC-RV has a 3-4x speed up on sky130 tinytapeout with optimazation, but it's written in C++. I think I remember over a 2x gain with magic/netgen.
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## message-1450959647778537482
**2025-12-17T21:15:37.557+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1450959647778537482`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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@bailey : I haven't run a comparison recently. It's possible that I have now knocked down enough of the truly horrible chokepoints in the code that the performance provided by compiler optimization is actually significant. . .
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## message-1450977942267105461
**2025-12-17T22:28:19.303+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1450977942267105461`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Tim Edwards - Compilers have gotten a lot better over the years. Also you can generate pretty good debugging symbols for optimized code these days.
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## message-1451070456919756913
**2025-12-18T04:35:56.515+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1451070456919756913`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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How is everyone feeling with the countdown looming?
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## message-1451079712121290817
**2025-12-18T05:12:43.127+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
- Message ID: `1451079712121290817`
- Author ID: `1386929896323944612`
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All good 🙂 Have a design ready that passed the 1.5.5 precheck on the platform. Currently running a slightly adapted version (improved timing) to see if it still passes. If not, can I just select the prior (successfully checked) version when pressing "Submit for Manufacturing" or do I have to re-run it?
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## message-1451122244259545252
**2025-12-18T08:01:43.579+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Thorben - In theory you should be able to submit an old version which has passed precheck, but I'm not sure that functionality actually works.
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## message-1451122338442772551
**2025-12-18T08:02:06.034+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Thorben - It seems the precheck did something weird on your last run, so I restarted it.
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## message-1451134179176873985
**2025-12-18T08:49:09.085+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
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- Author ID: `1386929896323944612`
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Thanks, the new one had antenna violations anyway, so I put the old one back in and pressed submit.
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## message-1451134709915713587
**2025-12-18T08:51:15.623+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
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It is now checking the old file again for which the test already passed (see matching hashes). Feel free to stop the current run if it's not needed for you to proceed.
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## message-1451348130300821636
**2025-12-18T22:59:19.008+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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Does GF specify anywhere what they use for passivation? some kind of nitride? Only reference I could find was the bump specs, everywhere else it just says "passivation layer"
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## message-1451463103479812147
**2025-12-19T06:36:10.75+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Looks like Silicon Nitride yes and Silicon Dioxide :
https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/analog/layout/inter_specs/inter_specs_3_43.html
https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/analog/layout/inter_specs/inter_specs_2_2.html
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## message-1451623922121310239
**2025-12-19T17:15:12.902+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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oh nice find, spent ages looking for a chart like that. Saving for future reference thanks!
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## message-1451679147410722957
**2025-12-19T20:54:39.637+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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This is one of the things on my die. I don’t know what compelled me to do this, I just did it.
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## message-1451679347013582918
**2025-12-19T20:55:27.226+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oops, little mistake there. 6510 is the one with the GPIO port.
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## message-1451884394351558789
**2025-12-20T10:30:14.321+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
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For the people doing legacy components, just came across this Ben Eater video where he's talking about SID (Sound Interface Device) like those used on the Commodore. May be interesting.
@ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nooPmXxO6K0
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## message-1452056035207680154
**2025-12-20T21:52:16.69+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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SID is absolutely the best audio chip from the 8-bit times.
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**2025-12-20T21:54:22.085+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Once TinyTapeout opens support for analog designs with GF180 - it will be great for prototyping and validating all the analog components in separation.
Wafer.Space will be ideal for the whole chip tapeout.
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**2025-12-20T21:55:28.091+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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... and I think @Tholin already started work on it 🙂
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**2025-12-20T22:59:33.105+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Haha nice! Kind of figured as much, but still thought it was worth posting about.
Thanks for all the extra info!
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## message-1452073248643743834
**2025-12-20T23:00:40.693+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I taped out a SID clone this week
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**2025-12-20T23:01:05.776+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I also taped out the SID **2**. A custom creation.
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## message-1452073629109059744
**2025-12-20T23:02:11.403+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its backwards-compatible with the SID, but adds a sine wave option to each voice and extends it all with some FM Synthesis features.
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## message-1452416629081116844
**2025-12-21T21:45:08.969+00:00 — lromor (@lromor_)**
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👋 Hi! I heard there are a bunch of cool projects trying to make combinational designs of AI inference models. That's something I've been thinking a lot about in the past years as well and I would love to know more about it and if there's any progress.
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## message-1453198276332355594
**2025-12-24T01:31:08.196+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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@lromor One of my designs implemented a 32x32 output stationary systolic array (an AI accelerator). I had to make quite a few architecture choices to get it to fit on GF180.
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## message-1453319992861790261
**2025-12-24T09:34:47.678+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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https://hackaday.com/2025/12/23/exploring-modern-sid-chip-substitutes/
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## message-1453338064478011392
**2025-12-24T10:46:36.287+00:00 — lromor (@lromor_)**
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- Author ID: `250728970478157826`
- Nickname: lromor
- User name: lromor_
- Type: `Reply`
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Interesting. I imagine you are targeting inference and exploding each network GEMM into an array like that? Or are you reusing most of the components?
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## message-1453427296387203286
**2025-12-24T16:41:10.832+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1453427296387203286`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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I chucked a MAC, tanh and xorshift into my processor so that it could (maybe) do some light reservoir computing inference. but those were an afterthought more than a design goal 🙂
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## message-1453514459317272719
**2025-12-24T22:27:32.094+00:00 — lromor (@lromor_)**
- Message ID: `1453514459317272719`
- Author ID: `250728970478157826`
- Nickname: lromor
- User name: lromor_
- Type: `Reply`
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Interesting! You made a dedicated instruction for those? Are you supporting IEEE 754 floats?
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## message-1453516227422191706
**2025-12-24T22:34:33.643+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1453516227422191706`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-24T22:37:14.648+00:00
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```text
Yep, sorta! My processor is a transport-triggered architecture, so it's relatively easy to bolt on additional functional units (just adds a new move destination/result to the bus). iirc the tanh is set to use Q1.15 fixed point, and I think the MAC is just simple wrapping integer (edit: yep)
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## message-1453516334414434447
**2025-12-24T22:34:59.152+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1453516334414434447`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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those particular FUs got basically zero testing and were thrown in the last week, so dunno if they work 🤷 😅
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## message-1453517298517151898
**2025-12-24T22:38:49.012+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1453517298517151898`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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- User name: polyfractal
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(I'm using Spade HDL and did zero optimization here, so it's also just whatever the transpiler spit out and then yosys generated using defaults. i'm sure they are horrible at the transistor level 🫣 )
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## message-1453517384836055183
**2025-12-24T22:39:09.592+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1453517384836055183`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
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Hey, we're not *that* awful :p
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## message-1453517869349343274
**2025-12-24T22:41:05.109+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1453517869349343274`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Default`
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It's kind of funny to think of my chess move generator in CPU terms :p
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## message-1453518003407950136
**2025-12-24T22:41:37.071+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1453518003407950136`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
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```text
I'm not *entirely* sure it counts as a TTA, but it has things that could be considered such
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## message-1453519771013484575
**2025-12-24T22:48:38.501+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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```text
definitely seems to be a bit of a spectrum imo. sorta like functional languages... hard to be "pure" once you interact with the real world. I had to cheat a little when it came to handling the program counter and conditionals.
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## message-1453520003231121420
**2025-12-24T22:49:33.866+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1453520003231121420`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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did give me a better appreciation of RISC vs CISC etc
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## message-1453576292837363712
**2025-12-25T02:33:14.354+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1453576292837363712`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Merry Xmas and Happy Holidays to everyone!
```
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## message-1454037595549073409
**2025-12-26T09:06:17.491+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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How is the reticle doing ?
```
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## message-1454037665581236306
**2025-12-26T09:06:34.188+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Stiched ? Approved by GF ? That would be a good xmas present 😁
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## message-1454132653082152971
**2025-12-26T15:24:00.973+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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We stitched the reticle and sent it to GF on Monday. However, we received a number of violations. The next step is to sort through them, to see which ones can be waived, and which ones need to be fixed. Due to the holidays, things are moving a bit slowly at the moment, though :)
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## message-1454139476942131341
**2025-12-26T15:51:07.908+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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No hurry... actually if there are any for TT the longer the better because I wouldn't even start looking at them for 2 weeks 😅
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## message-1454533650652594289
**2025-12-27T17:57:26.244+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1454533650652594289`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
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Inference was the target yes. You can do GEMM, CNN, and some other common ops with a systolic array. If you do the right numerical representation (fixed/float) you can do training by just doing a second multiplication pass for the gradients/backprop - at least that was my understanding, I've never done it as inference has been my priority.
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## message-1454534013417951428
**2025-12-27T17:58:52.734+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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That's cool! I'd love to see a comparison. I looked into an xorshift but went with the systolic array instead. I'm curious to see the potential power/area differences you can get in performance!
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## message-1454534554466517224
**2025-12-27T18:01:01.73+00:00 — lromor (@lromor_)**
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I see, so you have a lot of synchronous parts. Is your target representation float/fixed point?
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## message-1454535394409451745
**2025-12-27T18:04:21.988+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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The entire array is synchronous. I went with ternary weights, 8-bit activations to fit on chip. FP multipliers are huge, so I stuck with int space.
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## message-1456406599940837468
**2026-01-01T21:59:52.152+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1456406599940837468`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
And finally, here are the docs for my multi-project die. There is a LOT on this one, so I’m sorry it took me a while.
https://avalonsemiconductors.github.io/WS2025/index.html
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## message-1456748717154762772
**2026-01-02T20:39:19.252+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1456748717154762772`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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Btw if anyone wants an excuse to come to Australia, check out https://fossi-foundation.org/downunderflow/2026
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## message-1457406834041290752
**2026-01-04T16:14:26.545+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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The AS2650v2 consumes exactly 1W of power at 40MHz
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## message-1457407728984129792
**2026-01-04T16:17:59.916+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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what does the power report for it say? that seems odd.
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## message-1457408186335236159
**2026-01-04T16:19:48.957+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1457408186335236159`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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I don’t know
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## message-1457408201766207582
**2026-01-04T16:19:52.636+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1457408201766207582`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I designed this over a year ago
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## message-1457661771182506036
**2026-01-05T09:07:28.296+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
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Any update on this? Happy new year by the way 🙂
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## message-1457668433318645908
**2026-01-05T09:33:56.673+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I was just wondering the same 😅
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## message-1457668492341018718
**2026-01-05T09:34:10.745+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But then maybe the fact we didn't hear anything is good news ...
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## message-1457791137979826290
**2026-01-05T17:41:31.744+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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it's all been a very elaborate scam and Tim has absconded with the money 😛
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## message-1457791298315489310
**2026-01-05T17:42:09.971+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Happy New Year, everyone!
Yes, there are updates: There were some issues with missing metal slots in some designs, mostly on the logos. The project authors have been notified and asked to review the updated layouts with the generated metal slots.
I submitted the updated reticle yesterday evening, so GF had it first thing on Monday morning.
We'll let you know as soon as we hear back from GF.
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## message-1457791844032446539
**2026-01-05T17:44:20.08+00:00 — urish**
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Assuming this goes well, how's the production timeline affected?
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## message-1457793020383461437
**2026-01-05T17:49:00.544+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I'm not sure, that's for @Tim 'mithro' Ansell to say.
It depends on how the deadlines are spaced on GF's side.
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## message-1458568609591984323
**2026-01-07T21:10:55.421+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I should have a new timelime published in the next week or so.
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## message-1458568687349924165
**2026-01-07T21:11:13.96+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Will post an announcement in #announcements when we have clarity on that.
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## message-1458712331050684468
**2026-01-08T06:42:01.287+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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https://www.zerotoasiccourse.com/post/year_update_2025/#best-of-2025
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## message-1458890700254085172
**2026-01-08T18:30:47.819+00:00 — TG (@tg8749)**
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Hello fams
Happy new year
I hope everyone doing very well
Is there anyone looking for skilled senior full stack AI/ML engineer?
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## message-1458904068234809517
**2026-01-08T19:23:54.994+00:00 — Your account is suspended for (@_banned_user_)**
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Hi. No
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Does full stack mean you design the TPUs?
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## message-1460473866215227393
**2026-01-13T03:21:43.998+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Hi everyone! Still awaiting a timeline from GF. When I get that I'll post an announcement.
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## message-1460639391637700620
**2026-01-13T14:19:28.334+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
- Message ID: `1460639391637700620`
- Author ID: `492702620759228416`
- Nickname: Matt Venn
- User name: mattvenn
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1460639391637700620
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@Leo Moser (mole99) any progress on an image of the whole reticle?
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## message-1460656631254745161
**2026-01-13T15:27:58.579+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1460656631254745161`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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Yes, but I'm also waiting for the final confirmation before I publish the image and reticle with the open source projects.
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## message-1461150034316886129
**2026-01-15T00:08:35.036+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1461150034316886129`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Someone was asking about OpenROAD design tuning or something? https://antmicro.com/blog/2026/01/multi-objective-optimization-for-autotuner-in-openroad ( @BreakingTaps was that you?)
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## message-1461150222431551620
**2026-01-15T00:09:19.886+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1461150222431551620`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-01-15T00:09:30.692+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1461150222431551620
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Someone else was asking about power consumption? https://antmicro.com/blog/2025/07/power-estimation-in-openroad-using-saif-in-verilator
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## message-1461838736122839214
**2026-01-16T21:45:14.342+00:00 — TG (@tg8749)**
- Message ID: `1461838736122839214`
- Author ID: `762107582923407390`
- Nickname: TG
- User name: tg8749
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1461838736122839214
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Hi there
Who needs developer?
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## message-1462203682350301392
**2026-01-17T21:55:24.303+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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We don’t need developers; we have AI!
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## message-1462213279349866781
**2026-01-17T22:33:32.406+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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we don't need AI either.
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## message-1462541422061162506
**2026-01-18T20:17:27.725+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1462541422061162506`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1462541422061162506
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We don’t need compilers or toolchains either, old-school dudes just hardwiring everything from scratch.
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## message-1462541586905698357
**2026-01-18T20:18:07.027+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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- Type: `Reply`
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but compilers and toolchains are not AI.
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## message-1462541626835603540
**2026-01-18T20:18:16.547+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1462541626835603540`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
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- Edited: 2026-01-18T20:18:24.506+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1462541626835603540
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but tools like AI
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## message-1462541888933466419
**2026-01-18T20:19:19.036+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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but AI is not a tool
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## message-1462542028050137179
**2026-01-18T20:19:52.204+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1462542028050137179`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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Then what?
```
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## message-1462543065653710990
**2026-01-18T20:23:59.588+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1462543065653710990`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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With AI you're the tool ...
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## message-1462549538320547982
**2026-01-18T20:49:42.792+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1462549538320547982`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2026-01-18T21:12:41.923+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1462549538320547982
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Sarcasm, btw.
I thought it was a spam message, and that was just my kind of humor in responding to it.
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## message-1462641228603592831
**2026-01-19T02:54:03.459+00:00 — Tisham Dhar (CSIRO EASI) (@tishamdhar)**
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- Author ID: `746955286274900120`
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Hi
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## message-1462834011977289907
**2026-01-19T15:40:06.597+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell @Leo Moser (mole99) So any news on the timeline by any chance ?
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## message-1462970084233318533
**2026-01-20T00:40:48.751+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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They apparently have received the first three reticles but have not yet got be a wafer fab out date yet.
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## message-1462990179152433172
**2026-01-20T02:00:39.753+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1462990179152433172`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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```text
Why does GF require COMP _and_ N+ or P+ layers? Would you ever use P+/N+ without it being an active region?
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## message-1462991436982255760
**2026-01-20T02:05:39.643+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
- Message ID: `1462991436982255760`
- Author ID: `738396032295108721`
- Nickname: bailey
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@BreakingTaps Not sure what you're asking. `COMP`, `N+`, `P+` are separate mask layers. Are you suggesting just using `N+` and `P+` and calculating the `COMP` mask layer from those?
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## message-1462992062822744167
**2026-01-20T02:08:08.855+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1462992062822744167`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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sorry, poorly worded. My understanding is that you need `COMP` + [`N+` or `P`] to define an active region. `COMP` by itself doesn't do anything, and I don't understand what `N+` / `P+` would equal if it wasn't also sitting on top of `COMP`.
Basically my question is why have `COMP` as a layer at all 🙂
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## message-1462992299876155402
**2026-01-20T02:09:05.373+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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oh I see, they are _actual_ physical mask layers. Implementation detail leaking to the user
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## message-1463050317737365647
**2026-01-20T05:59:37.909+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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- Author ID: `492702620759228416`
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3?
```
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## message-1463050411941298342
**2026-01-20T06:00:00.369+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Masks is what I think they mean.
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## message-1463061007571095582
**2026-01-20T06:42:06.564+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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@BreakingTaps The N+/P+ region extend beyond COMP because those masks/process are not as precise.
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## message-1463061363709444259
**2026-01-20T06:43:31.474+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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So AFAIU `COMP` will define the STI region and the the implantation is done later and not as precise as the STI etch and so needs to extend beyond the active region to make sure it's covered and uniform and all that.
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## message-1463283942474911916
**2026-01-20T21:27:58.387+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1463283942474911916`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
- Nickname: carlfk
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell are there any left over masks sill in the states that I can get ahold of to hang on the wall at PS1?
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## message-1463284164286480497
**2026-01-20T21:28:51.271+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@carlfk - that is a complicated question best not answered on the public channel 🙂
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## message-1463284197203378289
**2026-01-20T21:28:59.119+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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After the tapeout, would anyone be interested in a casual video call to celebrate and chat?
```
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## message-1463405075413078078
**2026-01-21T05:29:18.73+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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For those who haven't been reading between the lines.
GF has created the reticle, already has a number of masks and **production has begun!!**
:waferspace: :waferspace: :waferspace:
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## message-1463409391658340528
**2026-01-21T05:46:27.803+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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gotcha, makes sense, thanks! Still seems like an implementation detail they could hide from the user 🙂
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## message-1463460741725290570
**2026-01-21T09:10:30.613+00:00 — Chips4Makers aka Staf Verhaegen (@chips4makers)**
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The N+/P+ has to enclose COMP by a certain amount but also they have to be a minimal distance from each other. So if you draw PCOMP and NCOMP only you need to generate the N+/P+ out of it with the right sizing plus filling of small spaces. This become quite complicated and even pretty difficult for two corner that are diagonallly too closo to each other. I prefer that PDKs allow me to draw COMP and N+/P+ separately and decide myself which N+/P+ regions to join into one.
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## message-1463570690367033557
**2026-01-21T16:27:24.412+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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ahh ok I see. cheers for the extra details 🙂
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## message-1463588597193249034
**2026-01-21T17:38:33.732+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1464085669302374585
**2026-01-23T02:33:44.958+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Sorry for spammer all.
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## message-1464092879986229494
**2026-01-23T03:02:24.119+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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## message-1464169666975895756
**2026-01-23T08:07:31.564+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Moving this to general:
@CatIsFluffy: Why does one of them have a padring inside the normal padring?
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## message-1464169703131054214
**2026-01-23T08:07:40.184+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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It's a re-tapeout of a Chipathon 2025 design, see here for more: https://github.com/AutoMOS-project/AutoMOS-chipathon2025/tree/update-for-ws
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## message-1464173872352854104
**2026-01-23T08:24:14.204+00:00 — CatIsFluffy (@catisfluffy)**
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(Sorry, I didn't notice what channel that was in.)
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## message-1464219887273771170
**2026-01-23T11:27:05.016+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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No worries! We have yet to disable normal posts there :)
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## message-1464397200863002655
**2026-01-23T23:11:39.87+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Did I get the time right?
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## message-1464399551677993105
**2026-01-23T23:21:00.348+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, it's the time and date that Hirosh had suggested.
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## message-1465144222645489876
**2026-01-26T00:40:03.742+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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For people in the US, I highly recommend https://www.crowdsupply.com/teardown/portland-2025/updates/teardown-2026-dates-tickets-and-cfp
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## message-1467269786806259804
**2026-01-31T21:26:17.729+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
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Reminder of WSRUN1 - Video Call Celebration
https://discord.com/events/1361349522684510449/1464021932084170875
We will all be joining in the voice channel on this server here: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1467064723265818635
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## message-1467279455188685010
**2026-01-31T22:04:42.851+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Howdy all. Is anyone talking in the event? I hear Discord audio, but can't hear anybody speaking, or see any cameras.
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## message-1467282342329585838
**2026-01-31T22:16:11.199+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Multiple people are talking and @Leo Moser (mole99) is presenting
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## message-1467282513796796478
**2026-01-31T22:16:52.08+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Cheers Tim. Sorted out my audio after a while 🙂
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## message-1467282636501291039
**2026-01-31T22:17:21.335+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tim Edwards - Could you add your new 3v3 SRAM into the spreadsheet @ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fW5ecBsLSec4hXBMaOjMUHQGslm4y-QUILgrxqS8MpA/edit ?
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## message-1467283820087873651
**2026-01-31T22:22:03.524+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@BreakingTaps - It would be great to add the stuff you did around DFFRAM too.
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## message-1467300617818210435
**2026-01-31T23:28:48.415+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Thank you all for taking part in today's call! I'm looking forward to seeing the actual chips working 🙌
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## message-1467328640294457528
**2026-02-01T01:20:09.494+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1467328640294457528`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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Your spreadsheet is showing a maximum of 115kB with my largest (1kB) macro. Assuming the thing actually works.
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## message-1468293480890499246
**2026-02-03T17:14:05.418+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1468293480890499246`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Reply`
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will do!
A little confused by the DFFRAM entries that are currently in the sheet. they link to Tim's sram (and are also dead links)
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## message-1468365097339453460
**2026-02-03T21:58:40.11+00:00 — OlegL (@olevi123)**
- Message ID: `1468365097339453460`
- Author ID: `1460425007351074906`
- Nickname: OlegL
- User name: olevi123
- Type: `Default`
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```text
Hi guys,
I am working on the OpenROAD Initiative (https://openroadinitiative.org/) to support open-source EDA tools. @Tim 'mithro' Ansell suggested I reach out here to get your feedback on two questions:
What are the trade-offs of using open-source tools vs. commercial tools?
What level of support do you expect from open-source tools (community, dedicated team, etc.)?
I really appreciate your responses! We’ll use your input to fine-tune our approach in improving usability and reducing costs for chip designers. Thanks in advance!
```
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## message-1468392261342597281
**2026-02-03T23:46:36.513+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The existing DFFRAM data is not valid, just me copying the SRAM block to give you a place to add your data.
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## message-1468392372491517964
**2026-02-03T23:47:03.013+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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BTW It should be open source tools vs **proprietary** tools 🙂
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## message-1468412206134595789
**2026-02-04T01:05:51.722+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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@OlegL None of the three `Get Involved` buttons are working for me using Chrome with popups and javascript enabled.
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## message-1468453684764479762
**2026-02-04T03:50:40.998+00:00 — OlegL (@olevi123)**
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Not sure where these buttons came from. Ignore them. There is a link in the message where you can learn more about OpenRoad Initiative
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## message-1468460856416141463
**2026-02-04T04:19:10.853+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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@OlegL Sorry for the confusion. The `Get Involved` buttons are on the https://openroadinitiative.org/ page.
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## message-1468468810901356576
**2026-02-04T04:50:47.35+00:00 — OlegL (@olevi123)**
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@bailey The website is still work in progress. Please add any answers to question(s) and/or your comments to the reply
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## message-1469466434089390205
**2026-02-06T22:54:59.253+00:00 — OlegL (@olevi123)**
- Message ID: `1469466434089390205`
- Author ID: `1460425007351074906`
- Nickname: OlegL
- User name: olevi123
- Type: `Default`
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```text
Hi guys, just circling back to see if anyone has any feedback or comments on these two questions:
**1. What are the trade-offs of using open-source tools vs. proprietary tools?**
**2. What level of support do you expect from open-source tools (community, dedicated team, etc.)?**
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## message-1469486227861541027
**2026-02-07T00:13:38.456+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1469486227861541027`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Reply`
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grain of salt: I'm an absolute newbie here, and no experience with proprietary tools. but for 2), I think the biggest help would be really thorough documentation of common "knobs" that a designer might need to tune. What the parameter does, how it interacts with other parts of the system, when you might need to tune a specific parameter, what ranges are reasonable, guides about how to think about parameter tweaking ("try A first, then try B, but be careful because it might affect XYZ"). Some of this exists but it's pretty sparse in places.
I.e. material to help with self-directed troubleshooting, rather than direct support (which scales poorly anyway).
As an example, I pretty blindly messed with all the margin parameters until I found combinations that worked, only to later learn that manual ECO steps exist and I could maybe have targeted specific areas of the circuit. Ditto to learning late in the project that 9T cells were an option and fixed a lot of my timing/congestion issues.
Or that different SRAM macro placement locations/orientations could seriously impact PVT corners.
Or how to load up DRC violations and inspect them manually, and strategies for fixing them.
All of that seems very obvious in hindsight, but it was _a huge_ learning curve to get up to speed with since documentation is kinda all over the place. And there is a big lack of "best practice" style guides
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## message-1469486540811141366
**2026-02-07T00:14:53.069+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1469486540811141366`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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tl;dr: the wafer.space project template was amazing for "push button get GDS", but as a newbie it took a long time to figure out how to tweak things to fit my specific design 🙂 More robust docs about how OpenRoad/LibreLane works in that regard would really help
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## message-1469519442378490112
**2026-02-07T02:25:37.414+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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People who are interested in adder optimization might find https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/cta.70336 interesting.
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## message-1470358840347332731
**2026-02-09T10:01:05.485+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
- Message ID: `1470358840347332731`
- Author ID: `738396032295108721`
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I've begun a series of back-end checks on the ws-1 open source designs. I'm currently running magic extraction, magic soft connection checks, and CVC-RV ERC checks. netgen LVS will follow if I can locate the source netlists, and then maybe Klayout LVS. You can follow the results here https://github.com/d-m-bailey/extra_be_checks/discussions/52.
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## message-1470630802269278269
**2026-02-10T04:01:46.26+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1470630802269278269`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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https://www.linkedin.com/events/7426800975115493376/
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## message-1470631054430830603
**2026-02-10T04:02:46.38+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1470631054430830603`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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I'll be chatting on a live stream about wafer.space with Alex from Hackster tomorrow
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## message-1470631079982534667
**2026-02-10T04:02:52.472+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Please share with people
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## message-1470663363267792989
**2026-02-10T06:11:09.407+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1470663365062824059
**2026-02-10T06:11:09.835+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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This is super cool!
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## message-1472388679149293569
**2026-02-15T00:26:56.768+00:00 — ewen (@ewenmcneill)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell ^^^ Crypto Spam (screenshots) in this channel and others (including channels that ought to be limited posting like announcements and welcome-and-rules, but for some reason are open to general posting...)
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## message-1473353742077267998
**2026-02-17T16:21:45.7+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
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Sorry for missing the call. Is there any recording, slides or pictures to share? 🙂 Would have loved to join but was traveling that day.
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## message-1473354411236528264
**2026-02-17T16:24:25.24+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
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For anyone (like me) interested in Tim's chat with Alex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpBEOXHUzHE
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## message-1473358536527581195
**2026-02-17T16:40:48.786+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1473358536527581195`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
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No problem! There will be future ones 😀
Unfortunately not, we just looked at the various projects and had a chat.
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## message-1473362166114553878
**2026-02-17T16:55:14.147+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1473362166114553878`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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**Content**
```text
Tim is indeed right that I invest a lot of energy into making my open source silicon projects as impressive as possible, and its absolutely because I want to make open-source chips look like something to be taken seriously. And I won’t let "but that looks really difficult" stop me because I have covered my eyes! The difficulty can’t scare me if I can’t see it!
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## message-1473362563461808410
**2026-02-17T16:56:48.882+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1473362563461808410`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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There are two things that get me through stuff like making my own SCL or making my first analog layout:
1) 200mg of caffeine
2) Wilful ignorance
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## message-1473362947358068736
**2026-02-17T16:58:20.41+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1473362947358068736`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Sometimes, I just need to lock in and focus on one problem at a time because the big picture is a giant monster and I have to hide from it to survive.
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## message-1473362996817559714
**2026-02-17T16:58:32.202+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1473362996817559714`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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But also....so much coffee...
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## message-1473363009521844419
**2026-02-17T16:58:35.231+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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especially near deadline
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## message-1473438752235061430
**2026-02-17T21:59:33.701+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1473438752235061430`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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Do you know how to setup / fix that?
```
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## message-1473439013644800054
**2026-02-17T22:00:36.026+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I hope I didn't mangle your name too badly, I only speak one language and can't even pronounce that right a lot of the time.
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## message-1473440850431180971
**2026-02-17T22:07:53.95+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1473440850431180971`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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It was correct
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## message-1473532646348029982
**2026-02-18T04:12:39.802+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
- Message ID: `1473532646348029982`
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- Edited: 2026-02-18T04:12:56.736+00:00
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I don't know if it's a major problem, but it appears that the magic tech file `1.0.572-0-g5443591` does not process the metal slot layers.
```
Warning: unknown layers.
layer=34 type=3 (metal1 slot)
layer=36 type=3 (metal2 slot)
layer=42 type=3 (metal3 slot)
layer=46 type=3 (metal4 slot)
layer=81 type=3 (metal5 slot)
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@Tim Edwards
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## message-1473607967172460636
**2026-02-18T09:11:57.686+00:00 — ewen (@ewenmcneill)**
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https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/205369668-How-do-I-set-up-a-Role-Exclusive-announcements-channel
Tl;DR: set up group of users who are to have permissions to post announcements, change channel permissions to remove "send message" from the "Everyone" group, and add "send message" permission for the group of users that should be allowed to post.
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## message-1473720845682737163
**2026-02-18T16:40:30.02+00:00 — Samuel Napaa (@samuelnapaa)**
- Message ID: `1473720845682737163`
- Author ID: `1460941629706997834`
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- User name: samuelnapaa
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need information on the thickness of the chip?
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## message-1473736251021590741
**2026-02-18T17:41:42.939+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Magic does not handle the slot purpose layers, but it will preserve them if writing GDS verbatim. I notice that magic does not check for maximum metal width, either. That is probably a holdover from the original PDK development when we were expecting GF to run fill, seal, and slot generation. So there was no need to check the rule.
Does wafer.space have any automated slot generation scripts, or is that up to the user to resolve?
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## message-1473767400062320752
**2026-02-18T19:45:29.449+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I created a simple script for metal slot generation: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/blob/main/gf180mcuD/libs.tech/klayout/tech/drc/slot_generation/slots.drc
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## message-1473839183675134144
**2026-02-19T00:30:43.996+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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I was just wondering about slot layers over via drc/lvs rules. Having the slot layers in a totally different cell would complicate magic extraction, I think. But if drc checks are required to ensure that the slot does not interact with vias and the slot does not break connectivity, then there may not be a problem. (Other than not being able to manually add slot data in magic).
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## message-1473840860813721720
**2026-02-19T00:37:23.857+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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I think the existing setup works best: Magic does not check maximum metal width and does not handle slots. Slots, fill, and seal ring are all added by scripts prior to submission and then run through DRC checks on klayout.
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## message-1474100091710083347
**2026-02-19T17:47:29.319+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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Are there any 3.3V digital IO libraries for the gf180mcu or plans to create one? I’m only aware of the foundry-provided 5V library, without level shifters and the OCD 5V IO for a 3.3V core by @Tim Edwards. Are these the only existing IO libraries, or am I missing something? Is running the foundry IO at 3.3V together with the core (which will be rather slow) the only option to get 3.3V CMOS IO currently?
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## message-1474101185312067695
**2026-02-19T17:51:50.054+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The foundry one has caracterization data for 3.3V and will run fine at that level.
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## message-1474102376259387708
**2026-02-19T17:56:33.998+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The speed difference between 3.3v and 5v is not that huge, it's only about 20~30% faster.
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## message-1474104237444300922
**2026-02-19T18:03:57.739+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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For the core? I've run several tests in Librelane some time ago using 3.3V liberty files for 7t library and got the impression that the difference is closer to 2 times. I'll check again, thanks.
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## message-1474106381236699330
**2026-02-19T18:12:28.859+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Egor Lukyanchenko : For the core, there is the 3.3V library created by @Tholin at https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3. It is being tested along with my I/O library on the current Wafer.Space shuttle run.
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## message-1474107432115503208
**2026-02-19T18:16:39.408+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
- Message ID: `1474107432115503208`
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@Tim Edwards I'm aware of that and eagerly awaiting the results :). Do you plan to perform some kind of on-chip timing characterization for cells when you get the silicon?
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## message-1474108084489031791
**2026-02-19T18:19:14.946+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Egor Lukyanchenko No, I meant for the IO.
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## message-1474109514612474092
**2026-02-19T18:24:55.914+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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For the IO I agree, the difference should be around 30%. But currently the core will need to be at 3.3V also, and it will be much slower, especially if considering ss corner (3V). So I was asking if maybe someone is planning to create 3.3V IO for 5V core or something like it :).
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## message-1474111427441852492
**2026-02-19T18:32:31.968+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I had a quick go at trying to remove the thick oxide from the foundry standard cell ( go to the 3.3v oxide thickness but still leave the geometry the same ), hoping it would result in faster logic ... this was however quite a failure 😅
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**2026-02-19T18:34:14.083+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The resulting cells ended up slower because although the thinner oxide lowered Vt a tiny bit, it wasn't even enough to compensate the increased gate capacitance also resulting from the thinner oxide and so it was all in all worse than leaving the 5V transistors running at 3v3.
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## message-1474113326790475788
**2026-02-19T18:40:04.808+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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Still a great attempt and a very interesting experiment 😄. I saw a discussion about it in Google docs.
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## message-1474117062933876826
**2026-02-19T18:54:55.574+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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Have you tried reducing gate width at the same time BTW? The minimum width for 3.3 is 0.28 um vs 0.5 um for 5V, so it should reduce the capacitance by a sizable amount.
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## message-1474117606570066053
**2026-02-19T18:57:05.187+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Well yes, but that's a whole harder to automate / script 😅
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## message-1474125939620450441
**2026-02-19T19:30:11.941+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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That's not exactly how that works
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## message-1474126190708261029
**2026-02-19T19:31:11.805+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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For example, the foundry cells don't use minimum-width transistors for "size 1" cells
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## message-1474127649613025281
**2026-02-19T19:36:59.635+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I think he meant length not width.
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## message-1474238868218843198
**2026-02-20T02:58:56.217+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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I've meant poly width, which is channel length, SPICE "L" parameter, obviously. Confusing names, but gf180mcu refers to it as "Gate Width (Channel Length)" :). I've checked SPICE file for 7t library, all digital cells have nmoses with L=6e-7 and pmoses with L=5e-7 which are the minimal allowed for 5V.
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## message-1474675411458986084
**2026-02-21T07:53:36.236+00:00 — Leon (@.leonmc)**
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- Edited: 2026-02-21T07:55:38.98+00:00
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There's a company creating ASICs with LLM models hardcoded into the chip, so it can run only that specific model, but much faster and more efficiently: https://taalas.com/
Out of curiosity, is this something that could be done (on a smaller scale) on wafer.space? I feel like the low cost might be a big advantage here, and the old process node not as much of a disadvantage as for other types of chips (since the main comparison is GPUs, not other model specific ASICs, so even an old node might be good enough).
I have no idea how to estimate how large the chip would need to be depending on parameter count, so maybe this is completely unrealistic and a stupid question 😅
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## message-1474701999684583444
**2026-02-21T09:39:15.363+00:00 — Chips4Makers aka Staf Verhaegen (@chips4makers)**
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If efficiency is important older nodes can't be competitive in power/computation by orders of magnitude; same for time/computation and there are limits on amount of parallellization possible.
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## message-1474953684617138177
**2026-02-22T02:19:21.727+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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I'd start by looking at how the weights are being mapped to the transistors and then calculate the maximum number of transistors on the silicon space and see if the model is of a size you might find useful, then see if 10x smaller is still useful (as that is likely what you'll get on first attempt).
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## message-1475189985715159050
**2026-02-22T17:58:20.299+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1475189985715159050`
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- Edited: 2026-02-22T19:00:43.538+00:00
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@Leon are you referencing these people?
https://www.anuragk.com/blog/posts/Taalas.html
*edit: whoops, didn't see you posted the link*
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## message-1475233065214279942
**2026-02-22T20:49:31.252+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Mmm, you can abutt diffusion to tap in gf180mcu right ? Magic doesn't seem to like it.
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## message-1475281547178410065
**2026-02-23T00:02:10.253+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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You should be able to abut diffision and tap, but be aware that they will be at the same potential because of the salicide process. When you say magic doesn't like it, are you referring to drc run on gds created in another tool or are you editing directly in magic?
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## message-1475384896670400532
**2026-02-23T06:52:50.692+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@bailey I'm editing in magic. And yes, I know potential will be shared.
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## message-1475509554359042078
**2026-02-23T15:08:11.401+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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@tnt So you're trying to draw something like ndiffusion and ptap abutting and getting a drc error?
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## message-1475510124864077937
**2026-02-23T15:10:27.42+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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yes.
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**2026-02-23T15:10:46.709+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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## message-1475526993209462865
**2026-02-23T16:17:29.147+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@tnt : This appears to be an oversight on the thickox diffusion only.
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## message-1475527185132683276
**2026-02-23T16:18:14.905+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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I'm tracking it down now. Not sure how I would end up with it working for low-voltage diffusion but failing for high-voltage diffusion. . .
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## message-1475529129288794122
**2026-02-23T16:25:58.428+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1475529129288794122`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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I think what happened was that I had to put in an extra rule to check high voltage diffusion spacing to low voltage tap (which cannot abut due to the position of the thick oxide mask), and managed to disallow an abutting high voltage tap. I need to update open_pdks anyway, so I'll commit the fix today.
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## message-1475536472135438458
**2026-02-23T16:55:09.099+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Tim Edwards great, thanks for looking into it !
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## message-1475717419904270461
**2026-02-24T04:54:10.409+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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Are the `VDD` and `DVDD` signals in `gf180mcu_ws_io__dvdd` cells intentionally shorted on metal2? The spice file is missing the `VDD` pin.
```
.SUBCKT gf180mcu_ws_io__dvdd DVDD DVSS VSS
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https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/blob/81dae519f8105d469dc4c89671a718c4f4370483/gf180mcuD/libs.ref/gf180mcu_fd_io/spice/gf180mcu_ws_io.spice
Same question for `VSS` and `DVSS` in `gf180mcu_ws_io__dvss` The spice file is missing the `VSS` pin.
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## message-1476186362532200603
**2026-02-25T11:57:35.044+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1476721571958751374
**2026-02-26T23:24:18.915+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Bl@st - I have an AI driven project to try to make a bunch of designs which are just SRAM at https://github.com/mithro/gf180mcu-sram-forge that still needs work.
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## message-1477092690045829120
**2026-02-27T23:59:00.362+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Just gave the following presentation at Down Underflow 2026 at https://wafer.space/du26
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## message-1477304667003289694
**2026-02-28T14:01:19.607+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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And here's wafer.space in the latest ECL 🙌
https://fossi-foundation.org/blog/2026-02-21-ecl94#waferspace-launches-its-first-shuttle
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## message-1477792536121835727
**2026-03-01T22:19:56.669+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) - I like to describe wafer.space as a "Low volume silicon manufacturing." rather than a "MPW service" -- MPW has a bunch of ideas / connotations associated with it that I would like to get away from.
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## message-1477794454864789637
**2026-03-01T22:27:34.133+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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I really would like people to stop thinking of wafer.space for "prototyping" and think of it more as "I need 1,000 chips manufactured"
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## message-1477948200618037258
**2026-03-02T08:38:29.977+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Alright, I'll keep that in mind!
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## message-1478109107490918482
**2026-03-02T19:17:53.165+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Any admin to ban this clown ?
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## message-1478182377175126119
**2026-03-03T00:09:02.019+00:00 — tannewt**
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👋
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## message-1479147588933390379
**2026-03-05T16:04:26.435+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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So I get to see soon what my dies look like? Many more weeks before I get to find out if they work, but seeing what they look like on the wafer will be exciting already.
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## message-1479340849409163429
**2026-03-06T04:52:23.323+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
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- Author ID: `236632873782738944`
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hello!
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## message-1479408671199985810
**2026-03-06T09:21:53.298+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1479523782728093862
**2026-03-06T16:59:18.025+00:00 — carlfk**
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it is the only sensible way to get qty:1000 right?
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## message-1479562527951163464
**2026-03-06T19:33:15.606+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
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hmm is there no way to use Verilator when simulating sram with foundry provided sram IPs?
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## message-1479562915097874493
**2026-03-06T19:34:47.909+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
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## message-1479562917413257246
**2026-03-06T19:34:48.461+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
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looking at this rn.
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## message-1480400561185751080
**2026-03-09T03:03:18.299+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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New video from @BreakingTaps - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_SEZJPieWc
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## message-1480606992635527350
**2026-03-09T16:43:35.392+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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more to come once the chips are here! stoked to dive deep into all the details 🙂
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## message-1481581473235468289
**2026-03-12T09:15:49.672+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1481581473235468289`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I used a custom padframe. Does that mean I get to submit my own gerber of a COB breakout? I have one prepared. The component placement is the exact same, just the routing is different.
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---
## message-1481790917152346243
**2026-03-12T23:08:04.993+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Hopefully things arrive before the end of April, so you haven't got that long to wait!
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---
## message-1481791191321153758
**2026-03-12T23:09:10.36+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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For the first shuttle we can probably make this happen, can you add a note with this information to the Google Form submission?
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## message-1481791445408022731
**2026-03-12T23:10:10.939+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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sooner than I was expecting! figured we still had a while 🙂
Regarding the form, if I select `n` number of bare die is it assumed the rest will be COB mounted?
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## message-1481794152592052254
**2026-03-12T23:20:56.382+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Done
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## message-1481794660794896485
**2026-03-12T23:22:57.547+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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You should be able to select options in both columns?
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## message-1481794770002247835
**2026-03-12T23:23:23.584+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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I can, they just don't add up to 1000 so I wasn't sure which took precedence 🙂
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## message-1482500807155912815
**2026-03-14T22:08:55.959+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin / @Tim Edwards - Anything interesting in the paper @ https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/11420759/ for potentially generating new standard cell libraries for gf180mcu?
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## message-1482502620303196190
**2026-03-14T22:16:08.247+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Why would I generate standard cell layouts? Why would I skip the fun part?
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## message-1482502793532018891
**2026-03-14T22:16:49.548+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its everything else after that that I’m trying to automate. I want to set up a whole CI pipeline for characterization and liberty file generation.
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## message-1482503054233440286
**2026-03-14T22:17:51.704+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I already have one for generating all the other output formats from the .mags
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## message-1482523851756929186
**2026-03-14T23:40:30.22+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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To me at least, while it's certainly fun to make cell layouts, it'd ease the bootstrapping of "having an initial cell library to then improve on". Even when hand-drawing cells I ended up macroing the living daylights out of it anyway for exactly the reason of "trying to have something now" ^^;
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## message-1483640777270628362
**2026-03-18T01:38:46.014+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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I asked Claude.ai to look at the ws-run1 reticle and examine the various standard cell / transistor densities -- this is what it came up with https://github.com/wafer-space/ws-run1/blob/density-report/reticle_density_report.md which seems somewhat plausible.
The raw data it calculated is found at https://github.com/wafer-space/ws-run1/tree/density-report
Would love some independent verification if it got things totally wrong. I tried to make it include all it's sources and methodology.
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## message-1483649228025761833
**2026-03-18T02:12:20.831+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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If anyone has time, I could also use some help reviewing the update to the wafer.space website - https://preview.wafer.space/pr-78/ -- It's a pretty big update and I'm not sure I haven't missed something silly.
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## message-1484308745281605813
**2026-03-19T21:53:01.998+00:00 — Pazzy (@gfcwfzkm)**
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4$ per chip on such a low volume seems so crazy (in a good way!)
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## message-1484308761630998608
**2026-03-19T21:53:05.896+00:00 — Pazzy (@gfcwfzkm)**
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Very impressive
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## message-1484312029383888949
**2026-03-19T22:06:04.989+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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The $4K half-size options are tempting (starting to fall inside my budget for "big hobby project / experiment"). Makes me want to find some time to play with the PDK and get a feel for the tools and maybe start exploring a project for the next run.
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## message-1484313338296012881
**2026-03-19T22:11:17.058+00:00 — Pazzy (@gfcwfzkm)**
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My analog prof has been looking for an excuse to try out GF180MCU for some analog projects. That might be the little push / excuse to try it out for him 😄
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## message-1484490022135791657
**2026-03-20T09:53:21.768+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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For the bit serial fans -> https://arxiv.org/pdf/2603.14988
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## message-1484490184488648905
**2026-03-20T09:54:00.476+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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My goal is to figure out how to get to ~$1 USD per die packaged -- still a long way to go.
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## message-1484494161003413656
**2026-03-20T10:09:48.551+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Ah, this reminds me I wanted to start work on my automatic multi-project die configurator
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## message-1484520614269292621
**2026-03-20T11:54:55.501+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1484528432187576431
**2026-03-20T12:25:59.438+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I also really want to create a bidir IO pad that is fast at 3.3V so I can finally make use of my custom SCL
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## message-1484548594110566551
**2026-03-20T13:46:06.415+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tholin : I will be able to get measured results from my dual-voltage pads, and your standard cells, from my chips on the first run. What speed are you hoping to achieve?
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## message-1484548787031642133
**2026-03-20T13:46:52.411+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The 5V pads max out before 15MHz when ran at 3.3V, so anything faster is an improvement.
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## message-1484548868564586567
**2026-03-20T13:47:11.85+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I measured rise and fall times equivalent to 12.5MHz, I think
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## message-1484549203853181120
**2026-03-20T13:48:31.789+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The 5V standard cells can actually go quite fast at 3.3V. Caravel had no problem running at 40MHz. The IO pads are the bottleneck.
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## message-1484549220689117204
**2026-03-20T13:48:35.803+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Pazzy : I am also interested in analog on GF180MCU. I am currently working on a shared-project frame and infrastructure for IHP, and would like to do the same for GF180MCU. How many projects would your professor expect to put on a chip? The frame I'm doing for IHP is similar to the one I did for sky130, which has room for about 12 to 14 projects, each with its own power supply and biases.
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## message-1484549552110305412
**2026-03-20T13:49:54.82+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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(If the 5V cells with their big transistors can hit 50MHz, I am so excited to find out what my 3.3V cells can achieve)
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## message-1484549930625404928
**2026-03-20T13:51:25.065+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tholin : My pads should be much faster than 5V pads running at 3.3V, although the external voltage will still be 5V. I may need to tweak the level shifter design for better speed; I didn't spend a lot of time analyzing it because at the time I was rather busy with the 3.3V SRAM layouts. Maybe for the next run I can do a set of all-3.3V pads, but if you're planning to do it, that frees me up for other useful things, like analog..
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## message-1484550175425953823
**2026-03-20T13:52:23.43+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Can you try getting me numbers on how your pads perform with the IO voltage also being 3.3V?
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## message-1484550296796401685
**2026-03-20T13:52:52.367+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I actually really don’t want to have to make 3.3V pads myself, since I also want to make other useful things, like analog
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## message-1484550555312455750
**2026-03-20T13:53:54.002+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I want to create a pad that has my digital-to-analog converter built in. 12 digital lines go in, one analog voltage appears on the pad.
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## message-1484550604410978324
**2026-03-20T13:54:05.708+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I think I can make it fit
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## message-1484551384748523581
**2026-03-20T13:57:11.755+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Making a 3.3V digital GPIO pad might be good practice, though
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## message-1484552039886225660
**2026-03-20T13:59:47.952+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Actually, since you’ve created a custom GPIO pad, do you have a template for a blank pad structure? One that has just the upper metal layers, pad, transistors beneath the pad and ESD protection diodes, ready to have the specific circuitry for the pad’s function drawn in?
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## message-1484552680356450437
**2026-03-20T14:02:20.652+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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If you can get me that, I’ll make the rest of the 3.3V GPIO pad (I can adjust the transistors beneath the pad myself too)
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## message-1484565336580948010
**2026-03-20T14:52:38.131+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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AFAIK Tim modified the existing pads, he didn't start from scratch.
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## message-1484571201480163348
**2026-03-20T15:15:56.432+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1484571201480163348`
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Yes, that's right. I just disassembled the schematic and layout, separated out the core-facing buffers in each direction, and replaced them with level shifters. It required a bit of layout re-work but it is still largely the same layout as the original. The problem with converting the pad cells to all 3.3V is that the ESD devices and the clamps are all designed for 5V and will have to be carefully redesigned, and like all such things, they can only really be validated by zap testing.
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## message-1484571822522499212
**2026-03-20T15:18:24.5+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I tried looking at the GF IO library files and its apparent to me that making those usable will require a bunch of re-work, yeah
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## message-1484571951228784793
**2026-03-20T15:18:55.186+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Which is what I’ve actually been dreading
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## message-1484572416716836904
**2026-03-20T15:20:46.167+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1484572416716836904`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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I can take a stab at it. These days most board-level systems run at 3.3V and it's getting harder to find 5V-compatible components, so I think a pure 3.3V I/O cell set would be very welcome.
```
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## message-1484575162186727616
**2026-03-20T15:31:40.738+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1484575162186727616`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I’d still appreciate a blank template for me to build my DAC pad, thought I am slowly realizing I can probably create it myself from your pad layouts.
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## message-1484605341399515167
**2026-03-20T17:31:36.023+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1484605341399515167`
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Quick spice sim of @Tim Edwards pad show the bi24_t toggling decently at 50 MHz at 3.3V.
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## message-1484605922150977598
**2026-03-20T17:33:54.485+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1484605922150977598`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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- Edited: 2026-03-20T17:35:05.94+00:00
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~3.3 ns rise time ( 10-90% ) at 30 pF load. That's better than the sky130 pads do 😅
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## message-1484606828644925451
**2026-03-20T17:37:30.61+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1484606828644925451`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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( and for comparison about ~2.5 ns rise time at 5V )
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## message-1484614666935210135
**2026-03-20T18:08:39.404+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1484614666935210135`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Mmm, I wasn't using the latest stuff for gf180 but using the latest stuff I can't sim, I get an error 😅
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## message-1484631892178501682
**2026-03-20T19:17:06.222+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1484631892178501682`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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See my message on fossi-chat; there's an error in the schematic for the bi_24t cell.
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## message-1484663626232234057
**2026-03-20T21:23:12.21+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1484663626232234057`
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- Edited: 2026-03-20T21:23:55.964+00:00
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````text
Results using the latest stuff :
3.3V :
```
t_rise = 2.522358e-09
t_fall = 1.960298e-09
tdo_rise = 3.608585e-09
tdo_fall = 3.675327e-09
tdi_rise = 1.191578e-09
tdi_fall = 1.932958e-09
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5V
```
t_rise = 1.748877e-09
t_fall = 1.473875e-09
tdo_rise = 2.758279e-09
tdo_fall = 2.741741e-09
tdi_rise = 6.098016e-10
tdi_fall = 1.364941e-09
```
* `t_{rise,fall}` are the rise/fall time at the output to a 30 pF load, measured 10-90%
* `tdo_{rise,fall}` are the output delay ( from `A` input crossing 50% to `PAD` output crossing 50%
* `tdi_{rise_fall}` are the input delay ( from `PAD` crossing 50% to `Y` ouptut crossing 50%
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## message-1484666504854245406
**2026-03-20T21:34:38.527+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The 700 ps asymmetry on rising / falling edge on the input path is a bit surprising. But other than that, I think it's pretty good.
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## message-1484692397156864051
**2026-03-20T23:17:31.733+00:00 — J-Lo (@crockpotveggies)**
- Message ID: `1484692397156864051`
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```text
is this an accurate representation of the die size?
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## message-1484739151516668005
**2026-03-21T02:23:18.841+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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https://mbalestrini.github.io/chip_images/ might help?
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## message-1484779607600402535
**2026-03-21T05:04:04.323+00:00 — chasak (@chaask)**
- Message ID: `1484779607600402535`
- Author ID: `684463118709162093`
- Nickname: chasak
- User name: chaask
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```text
looking at comparison, there is one difference that i observe. gf180 has a much larger pad frame than sky 130, can anyone tell me why
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## message-1484793498711621684
**2026-03-21T05:59:16.222+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1484793498711621684`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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Sky130 is a smaller node and the sky130 pad are also quite packed. They also have "stuff" underneath the bond pad itself which gf180mcu doesn't.
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## message-1484826239662428201
**2026-03-21T08:09:22.273+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Tholin I'm curious how your measurements of the IO were made. I'm assuming on GFMPW-1 chips ?
Looking at the caravel they're using the programmable drive pads and they are by default configured to the weakest 4 mA drive. I also looked at your multi project gfmpw-1 repo on github and you seem to be using the same as the caravel defaults so IO also configured for weakest drive.
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## message-1484832615331794985
**2026-03-21T08:34:42.351+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Ran some simulation using the `bi_t` pads with min drive strength and I can reproduce (within +- 5%) the results from htamas measurement on gfmpw-1. I think at the time, we also didn't realize the programmable strength and left it at default too. Changing the drive strength from min to max goes from 9 ns rise time down to less than 2 ns in sim ...
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## message-1485179154554163310
**2026-03-22T07:31:43.74+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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FWIW, @htamas made new measurement and confirmed that at max drive strength, you get fall/rise time of 2.3~3.3 ns ( and this is measured with a 100 MHz scope so the bw limit of the scope is non negligible and we're probably in the <2 ns range of the sim ).
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## message-1485478139374338181
**2026-03-23T03:19:47.276+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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BTW @bunnie has some interesting thoughts about the RPi PIO and how an open source implementation should work at https://www.crowdsupply.com/baochip/dabao/updates/bio-the-bao-i-o-co-processor
I would love to see what a bio might look like on GF180MCU where a bunch of the tradeoffs are different.
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## message-1485478343435354292
**2026-03-23T03:20:35.928+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1485478343435354292`
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@RebelMike / @clever - I'd be interested in your thoughts.
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## message-1485478608981196841
**2026-03-23T03:21:39.239+00:00 — clever (@clever_____)**
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i do have some comments on how to RE PIO better
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## message-1485478784022085632
**2026-03-23T03:22:20.972+00:00 — clever (@clever_____)**
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basically, if you set the state machine divisor really high, and hit the clockdiv reset bit, it will execute 1 PIO opcode, and then wait a large number of clocks, allowing you to turn execution off
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## message-1485478804951531540
**2026-03-23T03:22:25.962+00:00 — clever (@clever_____)**
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- Author ID: `204112578425782272`
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with that, you can single-step the PIO
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## message-1485478909393899580
**2026-03-23T03:22:50.863+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Greg - Think that a serv based BIO might make sense for very low resource (but slow) version? What @bunnie did with the special registers fifo stuff might make sense for a multi-serv design?
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## message-1485478960715534407
**2026-03-23T03:23:03.099+00:00 — clever (@clever_____)**
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then there is a debug register, that tells you what direction/level PIO wants the pin to be in, even if you didnt pinmux it right
so you can query the output as you single-step
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## message-1485479028352749669
**2026-03-23T03:23:19.225+00:00 — clever (@clever_____)**
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- Author ID: `204112578425782272`
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and if you mux a pin as gpio out, you can drive it, and then PIO input will sense that level
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## message-1485479061529821205
**2026-03-23T03:23:27.135+00:00 — clever (@clever_____)**
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so you can feed it dummy inputs, as you single-step
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## message-1485479215594995814
**2026-03-23T03:24:03.867+00:00 — clever (@clever_____)**
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and i think the execute register, will force-execute an opcode on write, even if its disabled
so you can force it to push x/y to the fifo and such
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## message-1485479271886618675
**2026-03-23T03:24:17.288+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I've had Claude working on https://github.com/mithro/rpi5-rp1-pio-bench -- I'm not super happy with the somewhat random mess it has made but it is at least more than I would have been able to do myself given current time constraints.
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## message-1485479350580023406
**2026-03-23T03:24:36.05+00:00 — clever (@clever_____)**
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combine all of those together, and you can run some sample code on a real pico, playback a series of pin inputs, and record the pin/fifo outputs
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## message-1485479469778206820
**2026-03-23T03:25:04.469+00:00 — clever (@clever_____)**
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then you have testcase data, that you can apply to verilog simulators
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## message-1485479941121507328
**2026-03-23T03:26:56.846+00:00 — clever (@clever_____)**
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but its late here and i need to get to bed, ping me tomorrow and we can chat more
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## message-1485480225159774288
**2026-03-23T03:28:04.566+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@clever - Sure! I'm somewhat more interested in an open standard like what bunnie is proposing, but given that the PIO blocks are out there, understanding them well is probably a worthwhile task.
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## message-1485480379652640839
**2026-03-23T03:28:41.4+00:00 — clever (@clever_____)**
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i can also see value in making some configurable verilog, so you can change anything you want
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## message-1485480415102767134
**2026-03-23T03:28:49.852+00:00 — clever (@clever_____)**
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make X have more bits, or add more opcode slots
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## message-1485480525249384639
**2026-03-23T03:29:16.113+00:00 — clever (@clever_____)**
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but i can also see how it might right into copyright issues? if your able to run PIO code un-altered
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## message-1485496337133862922
**2026-03-23T04:32:05.96+00:00 — bunnie (@bunnievorpal)**
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I think if you can spend more effort on back-end and timing closure you could go with a more performant RV32 core. The PicoRV32 was chosen because i had basically one pass through the backend to meet timing at 700MHz or the project would be cut - I didn't want to take any risk on timing closure on the design side. This means you pay a high price in terms of CPI. Even a modest amount of pipelining would improve the CPI by several-fold, which can compensate for reduced frequency in GF180, plus if you have control over the back-end and can do multiple passes of optimization to improve the critical path...
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## message-1485496688843034644
**2026-03-23T04:33:29.814+00:00 — bunnie (@bunnievorpal)**
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The core-count is something you can directly scale based on how much area you have, i.e. there's still lots of useful things you can do with one or two BIO cores.
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## message-1485565092354461696
**2026-03-23T09:05:18.482+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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I think BIO looks great! Using RV32E + high registers for access to GPIOs and FIFOs is genius.
As bunnie says it would be good to get higher CPI, and I think including the B extension would make sense given the kind of work the core will be doing. I might start from FemtoRV, the smallest version can do 2 CPI for most instructions - though I suspect PicoRV has a higher fmax.
If I was doing an implementation for gf180, I’d use two SRAM blocks for instruction memory, to give 16 bit access per clock, matching 2 CPI - I already have a wrapper around FemtoRV that does this for my RV4028 project. Only 13 registers are needed (gp and tp can be dropped like TinyQV does) so those can be implemented in latches.
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## message-1485565713992253472
**2026-03-23T09:07:46.692+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Would be cool to make a SoC with 2 or 4 of those plus maybe Hazard3 as the big core!
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## message-1485625756062060605
**2026-03-23T13:06:21.837+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Does BIO use the top of the instruction memory for the processors stack?
Regardless, I think that would make sense for this implementation, and would mean ra and sp could be restricted width as they only need to address that small RAM block (and they should always be word aligned). That still leaves 11 general purpose registers and should keep C compatibility.
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## message-1485742745564872714
**2026-03-23T20:51:14.308+00:00 — clever (@clever_____)**
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i think the main design goal of PIO was to get 1 clock/instruction, and no delays due to loads, so it could emit a bit on every clock, at full 400mhz
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## message-1485748773224190043
**2026-03-23T21:15:11.414+00:00 — clever (@clever_____)**
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and also low gate count
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## message-1485859497716224134
**2026-03-24T04:35:10.19+00:00 — nmz787**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell so for a whole undiced wafer on crowdsupply I need to select full slot?
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## message-1485859691417440357
**2026-03-24T04:35:56.372+00:00 — nmz787**
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Also is passing DRC strictly required to tapeout? Is there any waiver system? (For example making smaller than design rule pad sizes)
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## message-1485859696840540242
**2026-03-24T04:35:57.665+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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You need to have a slot on the run. The wafer has your design plus everyone elses design. Not just your own design.
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## message-1485860030896017508
**2026-03-24T04:37:17.31+00:00 — nmz787**
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Yes, so is it $7000 now (early bird bare dies) plus $2000 later?
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## message-1485865310342090843
**2026-03-24T04:58:16.028+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@nmz787 - You can purchase any slot size, a half slot would be fine -- just have to have *something* on the wafer. The per-wafer price is up front too.
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## message-1485865514319220776
**2026-03-24T04:59:04.66+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Oh - It seems you are pointing out that the wafers are not listed on the crowd supply site?
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## message-1485865622817734697
**2026-03-24T04:59:30.528+00:00 — nmz787**
- Message ID: `1485865622817734697`
- Author ID: `376976238528692225`
- Nickname: nmz787
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- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-03-24T05:00:56.308+00:00
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Ok,i don't see the wafer option on crowdsupply purchase option drop downs
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## message-1485866117787291770
**2026-03-24T05:01:28.538+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Yeap, it seems that forgot to be added and nobody noticed in review 🙂
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## message-1485866348063100978
**2026-03-24T05:02:23.44+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1485866348063100978`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@nmz787 - I expect it will either be added in the next hour or tomorrow morning US/Pacific time (The person who can change that info is in US/Pacific timezone).
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## message-1485866649247551488
**2026-03-24T05:03:35.248+00:00 — bunnie (@bunnievorpal)**
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yes, the stack is typically at the top of instruction memory. It's whereever you want to place the SP, but by convention that's where it goes.
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## message-1485866680704958565
**2026-03-24T05:03:42.748+00:00 — nmz787**
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This is also of great interest, since my aim is to post process and reducing capacitance of analog inputs is a big goal.
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## message-1485869001778135110
**2026-03-24T05:12:56.135+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@RebelMike - You thinking TinyQV-BIO? 😛
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## message-1485913420279582771
**2026-03-24T08:09:26.331+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Not really - I think BIO makes most sense at low clocks per instruction so shouldn’t have a bit serial core. But I’m applying tricks from TinyQV to make it as small as possible, basically cutting down RV32E to the absolute minimum required for C support.
Potentially as a test on Tiny Tapeout I might use TinyQV as the host, but the SoC would make more sense with a faster core.
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## message-1485957736326893568
**2026-03-24T11:05:32.1+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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I need to work on my RV core more >.<
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## message-1486006999354310726
**2026-03-24T14:21:17.321+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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spam ...
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## message-1486011258325962782
**2026-03-24T14:38:12.739+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Thanks!
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## message-1486445555436486919
**2026-03-25T19:23:57.239+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm off to Singapore today to manage the delivery, dicing and chip on board mounting of Run #1 silicon.
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## message-1486449610141728971
**2026-03-25T19:40:03.956+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I feel like the "real" interesting thing is more the register based synchronisation / queue stuff?
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## message-1486469669245423758
**2026-03-25T20:59:46.419+00:00 — nmz787**
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isn't GF in upstate New York?
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## message-1486469734496206919
**2026-03-25T21:00:01.976+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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GF is a little bit everywhere.
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## message-1486469857909276904
**2026-03-25T21:00:31.4+00:00 — nmz787**
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I guess that's the G
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## message-1486470204576894996
**2026-03-25T21:01:54.052+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yup. Here it's fab 3/5 I think.
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## message-1486472080802447401
**2026-03-25T21:09:21.379+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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They have fabs in Germany, Singapore and the US.
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## message-1486472675789377657
**2026-03-25T21:11:43.235+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Each fab has a different set of process technologies and there is no process technology which can be manufactured at all locations - there are a **very** limited number of process techs that can be manufactured at two different locations.
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## message-1486473090815889521
**2026-03-25T21:13:22.185+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Plane is taxiing! Talk to everyone later!
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## message-1486474418808033341
**2026-03-25T21:18:38.803+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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amusingly I've lived next to two different GF facilities (the one north of Troy, NY, and the one in Essex, VT)
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## message-1486474490274648145
**2026-03-25T21:18:55.842+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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Safe journey! Take lots of photos for us (if you can) 🙂
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## message-1486486447488761946
**2026-03-25T22:06:26.664+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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True - but on the assumption this is running small programs that can fit in on chip SRAM, being limited to 8 or 16 clocks per instruction would be a shame (whereas when you're running direct from flash it's roughly on parity with the memory bandwidth). So I think it would be more interesting to focus on something that works well with that.
I was thinking about the quantum stall. I think it would be better to choose the quantum (clock or triggered on a GPIO state/edge) on the basis of the value written to the register - a wide enough range of values can be generated with a single add immediate instruction so this wouldn't cost any instructions, and would make the trigger be defined in the program (and potentially could vary throughout the program) instead of having to be configured by the host
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## message-1486560693804335245
**2026-03-26T03:01:28.365+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Given a limited set of time, I think that sounds reasonable 🙂
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## message-1488699709899014255
**2026-04-01T00:41:09.543+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1488899408904061009
**2026-04-01T13:54:41.496+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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```text
@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : I noticed that the "Technical specifications" of the GF180MCU process on the wafer.space web page claim that the process has "MIM & PIP" capacitors. That is not true. A PIP capacitor (poly-insulator-poly) by definition requires two layers of poly. There are processes out there with double poly layers (particularly good for floating-gate devices, and yes, they do make good linear capacitors). GF180MCU is not one of them.
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## message-1489072133664669756
**2026-04-02T01:21:02.288+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
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Is anyone currently, or was able to utilize [litedram](https://github.com/enjoy-digital/litedram) for their project involving off-chip DRAMs? I'm currently working with it for a project I'm taping out here.
So far I got some results, but it doesn't seem to be designed for working with ASICs. Neither does litex in general.
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## message-1489099666976149596
**2026-04-02T03:10:26.741+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I think I thought Poly-Insulator-Poly was side-by-side?
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## message-1489099914658054194
**2026-04-02T03:11:25.793+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Edited: 2026-04-02T03:11:35.814+00:00
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LiteX & LiteDRAM was/is definitely designed primarily for FPGAs
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## message-1489254575864021194
**2026-04-02T13:25:59.898+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : No, you don't do poly side-by-side. Poly is very thin and has practically no sidewall. It's also sitting right on top of the substrate, so you'd end up with parasitic capacitance dominating. Double poly caps are quite nice, although MiM caps still have the advantage that you can still put transistors and other components underneath them.
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## message-1489255656740622417
**2026-04-02T13:30:17.599+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Will fix that tomorrow, poke me if I forget
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## message-1489280082735534190
**2026-04-02T15:07:21.21+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I don’t think I’m gonna do much for this next shuttle. I want to tape out a RISC-V core with my custom SCL for sure, but only since I already have proven RTL for that. Probably a good idea to not expect another completely crammed die from me, I’m afraid.
I will, however, do some long-needed maintenance on my SCL and get some more silicon art in the pipeline.
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## message-1489280387623682058
**2026-04-02T15:08:33.901+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I do have ideas for custom silicon projects, but they are so big at this point, 90 days is not enough time to finish even one of them, I believe.
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## message-1489421788231373013
**2026-04-03T00:30:26.433+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The video from my talk at Hackware here in Singapore is up on YouTube @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Z0_Krhshc
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## message-1489721317820203270
**2026-04-03T20:20:39.852+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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Is there a guide for the minimum system requirements for generating gds?
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## message-1489721674021470439
**2026-04-03T20:22:04.777+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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At the scale of complexity of a high utilization full chip
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**2026-04-03T20:23:19.178+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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I remember that @tnt had to have a fairly high end machine when he was working on pyfive
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**2026-04-03T20:24:14.354+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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Raw per core horsepower and lots of ram
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**2026-04-03T20:30:00.078+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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If I were to buy a build machine to make a chip, what kind of machine would I want?
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## message-1489724445449781590
**2026-04-03T20:33:05.537+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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Also do we have similar hardware specs for an emulator of a similar design complexity?
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## message-1489736642540474428
**2026-04-03T21:21:33.55+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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highest single-threaded performance possible (unfortunately). A lot of the steps are multithreaded and will take advantage of having a lot of cores, a few steps can be reasonably memory-heavy (30-60gb for a bigger design), but the bottleneck is usually DRC which has a lot of single-threaded sections. So the best single core performance you can get is most useful.
I rented a "gaming server" from OVH with a Ryzen 9950x3d. My avg build time was 2-3hrs
Tim put together a cloud comparison here (was a few months ago so possibly a bit out of date): https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/44717da0-d032-4bb2-9763-87dcfbb66a8a
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## message-1489737019633701095
**2026-04-03T21:23:03.456+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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on the upside, since most builds are bottlenecked on single core sections, you can kick off many parallel builds that each have slightly different setting tweaks when optimizing.
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**2026-04-03T21:23:38.953+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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(or use a cheaper machine for non-DRC part of the pipeline)
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**2026-04-04T00:56:24.221+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I believe the website should be fixed now?
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## message-1489796230501371954
**2026-04-04T01:18:20.427+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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My multi-project die contains both a RISC-V core and analog (DACs)
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## message-1489796284406566972
**2026-04-04T01:18:33.279+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Small correction
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## message-1489821985390329959
**2026-04-04T03:00:40.871+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I also E-Test data provided by GF can be found @ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10zQF_L-KsV-n5zMISB8C67llsldodtbSALWoNdpY17Y/edit?gid=1771808804#gid=1771808804 -- anyone see anything interesting?
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## message-1489848020894748793
**2026-04-04T04:44:08.219+00:00 — nmz787**
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The template completed in 4 hours on my intel Lenovo t16 with 40GB RAM
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## message-1489848118026436711
**2026-04-04T04:44:31.377+00:00 — nmz787**
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Actually just generating GDS should be trivial on any system of the last 2 decades
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**2026-04-04T04:45:52.102+00:00 — nmz787**
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And you said at this price point there's no testing!
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## message-1489848921831247933
**2026-04-04T04:47:43.019+00:00 — nmz787**
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Having a lookup table for the test names to description would be helpful to make sense of things aside from guessing and looking at standard deviations of the values for a given unit of measure
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## message-1489855277577535529
**2026-04-04T05:12:58.347+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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yeah I guess the big thing is being able to run DRC in a reasonable amount of time without running out of RAM
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## message-1489858608928915517
**2026-04-04T05:26:12.603+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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so it is looks like I am looking at around ~$3K if I bought something off the shelf; ram being a big part of the cost
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## message-1489862278005129326
**2026-04-04T05:40:47.379+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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my laptop is probably not going to cut it, only has 16GB of RAM
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## message-1489870607460991051
**2026-04-04T06:13:53.276+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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There are data for 25 wafers, I though you had only run half a lot.
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## message-1489871761972658227
**2026-04-04T06:18:28.533+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Very nice to get the ETest data though. Doing a few spot check vs the PDK values, it's pretty close to typical.
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## message-1489881184346308722
**2026-04-04T06:55:55.002+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell One thing that bugs me though is the name of the test "TM5L9K" ... I though we were using the 11K top metal thickness option. ( I rechecked https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423053988210675852/1423076158219489300 )
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## message-1489882164752416928
**2026-04-04T06:59:48.749+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1489882164752416928`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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- Edited: 2026-04-04T07:07:06.797+00:00
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Something else a bit weird is the MiM cap data. SPEC is between 1.7 fF/um^2 and 2.3 fF/um^2 but the pdk lists nominal at 1.5 fF/um^2. ( Although I guess they might be compensating for some measurement setup thing ... )
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## message-1489901323859267676
**2026-04-04T08:15:56.636+00:00 — nmz787**
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There's always disk swapping :/
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## message-1489901721781272669
**2026-04-04T08:17:31.508+00:00 — nmz787**
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I'd suggest trying to run the template through to completion, to benchmark. $3k sounds a bit crazy if you're doing this for the first time and haven't done any benchmarking first
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## message-1489901810012393512
**2026-04-04T08:17:52.544+00:00 — nmz787**
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Even renting a cloud host for a few hours or days will be massively cheaper
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## message-1490019677592752168
**2026-04-04T16:06:14.365+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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Well this isn't exactly the first time I tried the tools.
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## message-1490020046393835552
**2026-04-04T16:07:42.294+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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I have run it on my laptop and it was fine for smaller benchmarks.
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## message-1490021430073495563
**2026-04-04T16:13:12.189+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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I was part of the pyfive team and was building most of the work that tnt did. By the end I had a borrowed machine with more ram.
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## message-1490021735205048380
**2026-04-04T16:14:24.938+00:00 — nmz787**
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Ah
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## message-1490021969142223092
**2026-04-04T16:15:20.713+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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It was my project idea but tnt did all of the work.
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## message-1490022313976926319
**2026-04-04T16:16:42.928+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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Any funding that was raised all went to him.
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## message-1490022988479991848
**2026-04-04T16:19:23.742+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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i'd ++ the cloud rental route. The OVH server I rented was $200/month. I really only needed it for one month of intensive builds, two at the most. Unless you need/want the machine for other stuff it's hard to beat a cloud rental for short term usage
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## message-1490031743221108927
**2026-04-04T16:54:11.035+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I think RAM is the main thing. For a full chip 64G is definitely needed I think.
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## message-1490031834124386394
**2026-04-04T16:54:32.708+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I'm still using an older AM4 cpu with DDR4.
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## message-1490052375300280402
**2026-04-04T18:16:10.106+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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I was looking at 96GB
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## message-1490052800468746320
**2026-04-04T18:17:51.474+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Should be fine. I was running DRC on 64G for the whole TT chip.
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## message-1490052868080930956
**2026-04-04T18:18:07.594+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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Looking at this like I am starting a company and want to see what it would cost to have basic infrastructure.
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## message-1490053111568531547
**2026-04-04T18:19:05.646+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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What do you guys use to run the checks for the shuttles?
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## message-1490053763833266366
**2026-04-04T18:21:41.158+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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github actions 😅
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## message-1490054603524538400
**2026-04-04T18:25:01.356+00:00 — urish**
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We did hit the memory limits there a few times, but eventually we engineer our ways around it
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## message-1490356435056332820
**2026-04-05T14:24:23.601+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I got by with as little as 16GiB RAM on my laptop for my multi-project die, including running the prechecks locally. Memory usage really improved a ton during the last few days before tapeout deadline.
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**2026-04-05T14:25:21.041+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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It just takes *forever* on a laptop
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**2026-04-05T14:26:04.178+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Would recommend having one PC with a CPU that scores high single-core perf to run the prechecks.
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## message-1490358483252678727
**2026-04-05T14:32:31.929+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Also, re. 22:55 in the presentation: 480 LUTs doesn’t sound like a lot for an FPGA, but that is actually twice the amount of the 240 LUT MAX II CPLDs I have a big pile of because they keep coming in handy in projects (and I fit a whole DDR2 controller in one of those once!). And they would be even more useful to me if they were 5V tolerant. So, actually, I’d REALLY love to get my hands on a bunch of the Fabulous FPGA for whatever 5V systems I still build sometimes.
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## message-1490383967080153118
**2026-04-05T16:13:47.747+00:00 — dshadoff**
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The value of 5V compatibility shouldn't be underestimated
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## message-1490480763827912805
**2026-04-05T22:38:25.89+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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Yeah apparently now is a bad time to buy a new PC.
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## message-1490484291355021463
**2026-04-05T22:52:26.918+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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One thing to consider would be a libre silicon compute infrastructure. Timeshared remote systems for a structured development environments and infrastructure for the drc/lvs grind on the way the shuttles.
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**2026-04-05T22:56:02.519+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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Guessing that there is no money for such a thing but it would be nice.
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## message-1490625898037252239
**2026-04-06T08:15:08.582+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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You can also run the DRC checks through https://platform.wafer.space
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## message-1490627227811840121
**2026-04-06T08:20:25.625+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Looks like @Leo Moser (mole99) has some competition -> https://github.com/MidstallSoftware/aegis and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47646472
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## message-1490627379293327370
**2026-04-06T08:21:01.741+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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They are claiming 2880 LUT4's
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## message-1490645895644053505
**2026-04-06T09:34:36.383+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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If compute infrastructure is what is blocking you, I'm sure we can find someone who is willing to lend you time on some hardware.
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## message-1490716682031857705
**2026-04-06T14:15:53.173+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Hi Tim
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## message-1490716762579271923
**2026-04-06T14:16:12.377+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Hi!
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## message-1490716923560857711
**2026-04-06T14:16:50.758+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Great to see you share the project
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## message-1490717380123299943
**2026-04-06T14:18:39.611+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Are you planning on taping out on run #2?
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## message-1490717495575974079
**2026-04-06T14:19:07.137+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Idk yet but I do want to do tapeout
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## message-1490717659782709329
**2026-04-06T14:19:46.287+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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I'm currently doing some improvements to the tapeout workflow. I got it down from over 6 hours to just 3.
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## message-1490718934624763965
**2026-04-06T14:24:50.233+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1490718934624763965`
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Hi @The Computer Guy, impressive project! Especially hitting 2,880 LUT4's on GF180MCU using the default standard cell library.
I've tried increasing the LUT count in my FPGA, but it would require simplifying the switch matrix of the tiles, which would impact the complexity of the designs that could be implemented.
I'm wondering if you have tried implementing some real-world designs that make use of most of the 2,880 LUTs?
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## message-1490719187998343269
**2026-04-06T14:25:50.642+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Hey so I do plan on trying a RISC-V core on it at some point. Or it would be Fourth.
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## message-1490719720377159700
**2026-04-06T14:27:57.571+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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That would make a great benchmark. Besides the blinky in your repository, have you tried implementing any other designs yet?
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## message-1490719846084903163
**2026-04-06T14:28:27.542+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Not yet, it's mainly blinky and the test suite
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## message-1490726223335129168
**2026-04-06T14:53:47.997+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@The Computer Guy / @Leo Moser (mole99) - Have you considered putting a serv core in spare space around SRAM tiles? 😛
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## message-1490726327798595765
**2026-04-06T14:54:12.903+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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No lol
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## message-1490726479510769865
**2026-04-06T14:54:49.074+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I did so in a previous chip, not exactly SERV though: https://github.com/mole99/greyhound-ihp
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## message-1490729020315275376
**2026-04-06T15:04:54.849+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) / @The Computer Guy - You should also get a corescore.store for your parts 🙂
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## message-1490730341072109711
**2026-04-06T15:10:09.742+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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True! Greyhound has a core score of at least 1 😀
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## message-1490733086051270807
**2026-04-06T15:21:04.196+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Lol, how would I do that?
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## message-1490733295057764382
**2026-04-06T15:21:54.027+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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https://github.com/olofk/corescore?tab=readme-ov-file#quick-start
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## message-1490733359742320750
**2026-04-06T15:22:09.449+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Ah
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## message-1490733429724155936
**2026-04-06T15:22:26.134+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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However, I think you need silicon first.
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## message-1490733583155986432
**2026-04-06T15:23:02.715+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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I'm not too worried about Aegis Terra 1's performance since it's meant to be a starting point lol
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## message-1490733712244080692
**2026-04-06T15:23:33.492+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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It kinda seems like it, I don't think it would be too happy with the simulator.
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## message-1490754661400051783
**2026-04-06T16:46:48.16+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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Right now I am in the scoping process preparing a machine to do development. Since the drc can be offloaded I might be able to use an old decommissioned gaming pc for dev.
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## message-1490833306965508197
**2026-04-06T21:59:18.724+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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OpenROAD is using 330GB of RAM out of my 512GB lol
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## message-1490849629091139745
**2026-04-06T23:04:10.222+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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@The Computer Guy hi, I'm lofty, one of the yosys/nextpnr devs. I did have some thoughts on the FPGA architecture side of things.
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## message-1490849689371938837
**2026-04-06T23:04:24.594+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Oh cool
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## message-1490849927411273891
**2026-04-06T23:05:21.347+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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- Author ID: `319853768550121473`
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I've definitely had thoughts about yosys and nextpnr being more optimized for systems like Ampere. I daily drive Arm hardware so it would be nice if yosys and nextpnr could take advantage of my 128 cores. I wish OpenROAD could as well heh.
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## message-1490850298959495348
**2026-04-06T23:06:49.931+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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multithreading is something we're working on to one extent or another; neither codebase is ideal for such things (Yosys's RTLIL core representation is not thread-safe, and nextpnr achieves local threading by layering over the arch API)
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## message-1490850442396176515
**2026-04-06T23:07:24.129+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Yeah, I've seen some of the issues and code. I know in general this is hard to get multithreaded.
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## message-1490850469097242869
**2026-04-06T23:07:30.495+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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I will ask: are you using router1 or router2?
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## message-1490850739772330074
**2026-04-06T23:08:35.029+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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I've been using viaduct with nextpnr
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## message-1490850784395661453
**2026-04-06T23:08:45.668+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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## message-1490850803408437258
**2026-04-06T23:08:50.201+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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yes. I saw.
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## message-1490850956567646238
**2026-04-06T23:09:26.717+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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after all, I was the one who proposed viaduct :p
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## message-1490850975177773266
**2026-04-06T23:09:31.154+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Ah
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## message-1490851028596166718
**2026-04-06T23:09:43.89+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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when nextpnr-aegis runs, does it use router1 or router2
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## message-1490851176034472038
**2026-04-06T23:10:19.042+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
- Message ID: `1490851176034472038`
- Author ID: `319853768550121473`
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Lemme run it and see
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## message-1490851339717312523
**2026-04-06T23:10:58.067+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
- Message ID: `1490851339717312523`
- Author ID: `319853768550121473`
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It would be cool for the Aegis backend to be upstreamed into nextpnr so I don't have to do the overlay
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## message-1490851514573656104
**2026-04-06T23:11:39.756+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1490851514573656104`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
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we are relatively flexible with accepting such architectures, but you would likely need to port your code to himbaechel instead of viaduct
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## message-1490851593996992585
**2026-04-06T23:11:58.692+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
- Message ID: `1490851593996992585`
- Author ID: `319853768550121473`
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Ah
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## message-1490851696610513108
**2026-04-06T23:12:23.157+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
- Message ID: `1490851696610513108`
- Author ID: `319853768550121473`
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I think I remember seeing both and wasn't sure which to use
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## message-1490851721713553440
**2026-04-06T23:12:29.142+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1490851721713553440`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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use himbaechel.
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## message-1490851916660604959
**2026-04-06T23:13:15.621+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
- Message ID: `1490851916660604959`
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Ok, after the tapeout improvements I'll do that
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## message-1490852231422017677
**2026-04-06T23:14:30.666+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1490852231422017677`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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(since the joke is likely lost: viaduct is called such because it a bridge API for small arch(itectur)es. [himbaechel]() is a bridge API based on viaduct for large architectures)
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## message-1490852340113342525
**2026-04-06T23:14:56.58+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
- Message ID: `1490852340113342525`
- Author ID: `319853768550121473`
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Gotcha
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## message-1490852419133903078
**2026-04-06T23:15:15.42+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
- Message ID: `1490852419133903078`
- Author ID: `319853768550121473`
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Himbaechel is a better fit for Aegis?
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## message-1490852546976284783
**2026-04-06T23:15:45.9+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
- Message ID: `1490852546976284783`
- Author ID: `319853768550121473`
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I don't see anything from nextpnr which indicates if its router1 or router2
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## message-1490852768120832042
**2026-04-06T23:16:38.625+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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Viaduct won't see any future improvements that Himbaechel receives from our own work on it
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## message-1490852823695364208
**2026-04-06T23:16:51.875+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Ah, that makes sense
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## message-1490853048359325849
**2026-04-06T23:17:45.439+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1490853048359325849`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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for the scale of your FPGA, Viaduct is *fine*, but I think you'll appreciate having to build the architecture database once at build time rather than on every run
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## message-1490853104420126831
**2026-04-06T23:17:58.805+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Ah
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## message-1490853315494416485
**2026-04-06T23:18:49.129+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Ig that's a good time to also make things a bit more streamlined. I made it where the parameters for the design is just passed in. When switching to Himbaechel, I could use the descriptor JSON for the chip.
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## message-1490853439419453560
**2026-04-06T23:19:18.675+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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there are messages such as [this one]()
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## message-1490853512463253514
**2026-04-06T23:19:36.09+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
- Message ID: `1490853512463253514`
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Ok, yeah I see that
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## message-1490853530188251186
**2026-04-06T23:19:40.316+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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also if the router output has `|`s, it's router1, if it has `=`s, it's router2
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## message-1490853601139101807
**2026-04-06T23:19:57.232+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Ah, so it is router1
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## message-1490853645271699637
**2026-04-06T23:20:07.754+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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What's the difference between router1 and router2?
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## message-1490853682827497552
**2026-04-06T23:20:16.708+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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try running again with `--router router2`
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## message-1490853849592893605
**2026-04-06T23:20:56.468+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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r1, when properly tuned, produces higher Fmax results. r2 produces worse Fmax results, but requires very little tuning and runs much faster.
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## message-1490853990035099840
**2026-04-06T23:21:29.952+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Ah
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## message-1490854112755978403
**2026-04-06T23:21:59.211+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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also r2 is multithreaded-ish and r1 is not.
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## message-1490854555662028813
**2026-04-06T23:23:44.808+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Gotcha, with r1 it did say it ran for 0.11s for the blinky example
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## message-1490854806401843291
**2026-04-06T23:24:44.589+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Oh, r2 did it in 0.02s
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## message-1490854916720427133
**2026-04-06T23:25:10.891+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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see if you can get this one to synth. that should begin to differentiate the two.
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## message-1490855040691208244
**2026-04-06T23:25:40.448+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Ah
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## message-1490856212718288996
**2026-04-06T23:30:19.881+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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also, on a personal note:
> Existing open-source FPGA efforts either reverse-engineer proprietary architectures (Project IceStorm, Apicula) or build tooling around closed silicon (Yosys, nextpnr)
I think it's perhaps worth pointing out Cologne Chip GateMate as a half-proprietary architecture. it's true the HDL is closed, but we're their official toolchain, and we can publish information from their confidential docs as long as it's not verbatim.
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## message-1490856331421417594
**2026-04-06T23:30:48.182+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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e.g. [this]()
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## message-1490856374022963280
**2026-04-06T23:30:58.339+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Oh cool
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## message-1490856996260548840
**2026-04-06T23:33:26.692+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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If I can get the nextpnr support upstreamed, it would be cool to do that with yosys as well. A `synth_aegis` command would be cool, it would only really need the JSON descriptor I think.
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## message-1490857187227209899
**2026-04-06T23:34:12.222+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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you would be expected to provide tests and maintain it to some degree though
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**2026-04-06T23:34:26.823+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Oh
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## message-1490857283440087081
**2026-04-06T23:34:35.161+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Fair
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## message-1490857461299810397
**2026-04-06T23:35:17.566+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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nextpnr's standards for architectures are a bit lower than yosys'.
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## message-1490857737918218415
**2026-04-06T23:36:23.517+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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I was thinking both would have high standards
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## message-1490891944426209341
**2026-04-07T01:52:18.984+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I think everyone, including the OpenROAD devs would love to figure out how to take advantage of many-core systems.
Almost all the existing research and effort has been focused on trying to produce the best solutions when measured by number of cpu cycles / instructions (mainly due to the perverse incentives when you license your software per CPU core) rather than solutions which might consume overall more CPU in the end but have a shorter wall run time.
Most software people at Google were very interested in trying to figure out how we could do something more map-reduce style which allowed the expensive steps complete in minutes but we where never quite able to get the resources needed to do that effort when still being behind on other functionality.
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**2026-04-07T01:53:13.77+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@The Computer Guy - BTW I would love to know more about your SERDES. Have you seen my talk @ https://bit.ly/open-pipe-talk at all?
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**2026-04-07T01:56:53.352+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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I haven't seen your talk on serdes lol
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## message-1490894166832578652
**2026-04-07T02:01:08.847+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Alright lol
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## message-1490894255378399453
**2026-04-07T02:01:29.958+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@The Computer Guy - If you are procrastinating, I have plenty of reading material (much which is out of date) at https://bit.ly/tim-silicon-2024
I have a *very* old presentation at http://bit.ly/goog-fpga-22q3 which has a bunch of your "competition".
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## message-1490894571318808586
**2026-04-07T02:02:45.284+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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There was someone else on this server that was working on SERDES type things too....
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## message-1490894983270760490
**2026-04-07T02:04:23.501+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1490894985803862180
**2026-04-07T02:04:24.105+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@The Computer Guy - This seems to be that discussion. (poke @EmbeddedKen).
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## message-1490895074274574467
**2026-04-07T02:04:45.198+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Huh
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## message-1490918903373758484
**2026-04-07T03:39:26.498+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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https://github.com/MidstallSoftware/aegis/pull/8
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## message-1490919423681237102
**2026-04-07T03:41:30.549+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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Yeah this seems much fairer
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## message-1490919746814738483
**2026-04-07T03:42:47.59+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Great
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## message-1490920006719115284
**2026-04-07T03:43:49.556+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Gonna work on an architecture documentation while I wait for the tapeout workflow to finish
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## message-1490920503991337082
**2026-04-07T03:45:48.115+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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speaking of multi-threading, last weekend I realized that there are some threading knobs left at 1 when running librelane/project template. most notably the resizing steps. gave me a 2-3x speedup going from 1 to 16 cores (presumably a lot of synchronization losses keeping it from linear)
I also started to play around with implementing nvidia's INSTA idea (https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/11132858) and it was 2-5x faster although the QoR wasn't always comparable. Worked well to get to TNS = 0, but didn't really like pushing positive slack margins for some reason, probably just my bad code
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## message-1490920929117605939
**2026-04-07T03:47:29.473+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Oh cool, you're here lol. I remember seeing you followed me on Twitter a bit ago which was funny because that was after I saw one of your videos.
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## message-1490921126145294418
**2026-04-07T03:48:16.448+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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hi hi! yes I was excited to see you pop into my twitter feed, folks working on silicon and fpgas are rare 🙂 try to follow whenever a good project pops up!
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## message-1490921437081505932
**2026-04-07T03:49:30.581+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Awesome, yeah I've got some even cooler projects in the pipeline after Aegis
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## message-1490922105569677393
**2026-04-07T03:52:09.961+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Ik I'm one of the few people doing this stuff on NixOS, I'm even doing it all on Arm lol
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**2026-04-07T07:09:41.041+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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**2026-04-07T21:29:10.77+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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## message-1491258346932670574
**2026-04-08T02:08:16.149+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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- Author ID: `319853768550121473`
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Is there a way to make OpenROAD not take 6 hours for detailed routing & placement?
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## message-1491262258494443671
**2026-04-08T02:23:48.738+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**
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- Make your design less congested
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## message-1491262423838101526
**2026-04-08T02:24:28.159+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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I have 512GB of RAM
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## message-1491262554776014970
**2026-04-08T02:24:59.377+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Turns out apparently you can tell OpenROAD to use multiple threads, it's only been using 1 of my 128 cores
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## message-1491262557414097006
**2026-04-08T02:25:00.006+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**
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- Make your design modular, harden smaller parts and use them as macros at the top level
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## message-1491262610920837161
**2026-04-08T02:25:12.763+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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I do a macro based tapeout
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## message-1491263038207299746
**2026-04-08T02:26:54.636+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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I don't think I can decrease things without decreasing the tiles I have. Which I kinda need those because they define the capability of the FPGA.
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## message-1491263796608630804
**2026-04-08T02:29:55.453+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**
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- Author ID: `543162393413287956`
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Are you calling OpenROAD directly? If you use librelane, detailed routing should already run with `DRT_THREADS` set to the number of machine threads, and many other parts of the flow are single-threaded.
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## message-1491263888958689323
**2026-04-08T02:30:17.471+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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I'm calling it directly
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## message-1491264234112421900
**2026-04-08T02:31:39.762+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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I'll try `-threads $NIX_BUILD_CORES`
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## message-1491265456143601695
**2026-04-08T02:36:31.117+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Huh, all of my small tiles went from 2 minutes to 20 seconds
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## message-1491265809333489705
**2026-04-08T02:37:55.324+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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The SerDes and "tile" tiles still take a good chunk of time
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## message-1491417138005803101
**2026-04-08T12:39:14.891+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I know it gets mentioned a lot during talks, but what actually is the story behind PCB manufacturing becoming accessible? When I first got deep enough into EE to want to make my own PCBs, JLCPCB was already a thing, so I missed the beginning part of all that.
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## message-1491417385054507109
**2026-04-08T12:40:13.792+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I keep hearing there is parallels between that story and the direction open source silicon is going in, but I have no context to get it.
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## message-1491418381403029719
**2026-04-08T12:44:11.34+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - I don't know if there is any official history.
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## message-1491418702372012114
**2026-04-08T12:45:27.865+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - The first ever PCB that I ever got made commercially was in University and the PCB house only allowed me to submit a design because they did other work for the university. They definately had a "Call us for a sales call and set up an account" type setup.
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## message-1491418907020628010
**2026-04-08T12:46:16.657+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - The big change was then OHS Park which was then followed by Dirty PCB. They where services which would pool together designs and then them to the PCB house and such.
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## message-1491419171173695670
**2026-04-08T12:47:19.636+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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At that point I could get PCBs made for the same cost of shipping to Australia, the turn around time was like maybe 6 weeks however as they designs only went to the PCB house like every couple of weeks and shipping to Australia was aweful 🙂
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## message-1491419420239597720
**2026-04-08T12:48:19.018+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Dirty PCB was cheaper because you didn't get things like solder mask or silk screen or anything, OHS PCB was better but more expensive. Neither group would hold your hand or help you fix DRCs or stuff. They manufactured what you sent them and if it wasn't correct it was your own fault.
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## message-1491419572400820224
**2026-04-08T12:48:55.296+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Then a bunch of the Chinese PCB houses like JLC, Seeed and PCB Way started offering services to the rest of the world.
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## message-1491419772049690836
**2026-04-08T12:49:42.896+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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And that is my short story of my own experiences, don't know what is was like for others.
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## message-1491420214041251870
**2026-04-08T12:51:28.275+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Huh
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## message-1491420696142942279
**2026-04-08T12:53:23.217+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The big thing that OHS Park and Dirty PCB did was they accepted design file upload and a credit card via the web.
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## message-1491429101540475070
**2026-04-08T13:26:47.22+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**
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You might be interested in this video with Tim: https://www.siliconimist.com/p/waferspace-tim-mithro-ansell
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## message-1491460172567285840
**2026-04-08T15:30:15.13+00:00 — dshadoff**
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It's likely (at least mildly) related to new features added to the manufacturers' software which allowed them to panelize disparate designs more easily.
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## message-1491462894502543430
**2026-04-08T15:41:04.09+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I still have emails from 2011 when it wasn't osh park yet and you were just emailing "pcb-order@laen.org" to get added to a panel and you were manually sending paying through paypal transfer ...
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## message-1491514921865842820
**2026-04-08T19:07:48.38+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Dang, Aegis Terra 1 is way too big from the sound of it for wafer.space. I did plan on eventually starting another family of FPGA's. Good time to do Aegis Luna 1. The Luna series is meant to be small scale while Terra is meant to be the leading series. If I do 19 x 19, 2 tracks, 2 DSP column iteration, 1 BRAM column iteration, and 1 SerDes then I fill up the die by like 80% - 90%.
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## message-1491555312178823229
**2026-04-08T21:48:18.181+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1491555312178823229`
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What kind of machine do you have? I’m a little bit jealous.
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## message-1491555473311404152
**2026-04-08T21:48:56.598+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Ampere Altra M128-26 with 512GB of RAM
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## message-1491556780688543775
**2026-04-08T21:54:08.301+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I bought an i9 14700K because Yosys and nextpnr care more about single core performance.
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## message-1491557298894672032
**2026-04-08T21:56:11.851+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Huh, yosys and nextpnr are still pretty fast for me
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## message-1491557812080214126
**2026-04-08T21:58:14.204+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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I mainly went to Ampere because I switched from a power hungry gaming laptop to an M1 Pro running NixOS a few years back. The problem with the M1 is not enough RAM for compilation, I was using it to maintain LLVM in nixpkgs and the 16GB was just not enough. Also, you had to compile things like Mesa for NixOS Asahi. I was told about Ampere and switched my desktop over. It's very good when I have like 20k ninja or make jobs to run lol.
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## message-1491681102987923606
**2026-04-09T06:08:09.047+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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@The Computer Guy Maybe you could move your posts to #💻-digital or start a thread?
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## message-1491725416682229811
**2026-04-09T09:04:14.255+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Interesting interview with Julia Desmazes on the Amp Hour - https://theamphour.com/721-chip-design-for-fun-and-waffles-with-julia-desmazes/
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## message-1491730395690172446
**2026-04-09T09:24:01.343+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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@Essen ^^
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## message-1491827297907380395
**2026-04-09T15:49:04.632+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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Now everyone knows of my love for waffle house! 🧇
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## message-1491830239825887294
**2026-04-09T16:00:46.04+00:00 — nmz787**
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I see typo in what should be accelerators
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## message-1491830503538561114
**2026-04-09T16:01:48.914+00:00 — nmz787**
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- Author ID: `376976238528692225`
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Not sure where the discord summary comes from, must be some hidden element
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## message-1491831569160077602
**2026-04-09T16:06:02.978+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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It's my trap to make other people think I am normal.
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## message-1492095589876498545
**2026-04-10T09:35:10.422+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I want to get wafer.space branded Stroopwafel swag 😛
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## message-1492363328901873665
**2026-04-11T03:19:04.38+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Things are progressing here in Singapore!
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## message-1492578925178523761
**2026-04-11T17:35:46.538+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1492578925178523761`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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exciting!
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## message-1493380642061422704
**2026-04-13T22:41:30.738+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Just yesterday, I gave a long presentation called "3½ years of open-source-silicon: a retrospective, and why you should care" to a general audience. It just goes over my personal views and experience with open source before I give a introduction on what it is that I actually do as a chip designer. The video still has to be edited and processed to be uploaded to the YouTube channel, but luckily for ya’ll, I got a hold of the raw recording for your viewing pleasure. Unfortunately, I had some slight microphone issues that were only pointed out to me until *after* I was done. Sorry for that. I also had to rush towards the end as a scheduling mishap left me low on time, so there will certainly be a part 2 to this at some point where I go into more depth, so look forward to that!
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dqd3k0f2vvihynpw3gv26/Tholin-s-IC-Panel.mp4?rlkey=dhxsf5dm97i549e0z3kyvf20g&st=em4kqi1n&dl=0
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## message-1493380730212847638
**2026-04-13T22:41:51.755+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Let me know if there are any facts I got wrong, I can get corrections inserted into the youtube upload.
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## message-1493434516277297224
**2026-04-14T02:15:35.352+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - Cool!
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## message-1493437284803022850
**2026-04-14T02:26:35.42+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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People might find @bunnie talking about his Baochip with Hackster.io at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBod87GMk6Y interesting.
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## message-1493437322929246329
**2026-04-14T02:26:44.51+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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- Author ID: `319853768550121473`
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I've got something which should fit on wafer.space. I'm running verification on it.
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## message-1493437631646924972
**2026-04-14T02:27:58.114+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Good timing, I was needing something new to watch while I start dinner lol
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## message-1493494204100513833
**2026-04-14T06:12:46.038+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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40x17=680 LUTs?
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## message-1493494292218511480
**2026-04-14T06:13:07.047+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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40 x 19
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## message-1493494465111916617
**2026-04-14T06:13:48.268+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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It's 760 LUTs
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## message-1493494724101800056
**2026-04-14T06:14:50.016+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I thought the previous chip you shared with 2,880 LUTs was targeting wafer.space?
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## message-1493495071947886674
**2026-04-14T06:16:12.949+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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I couldn't get Terra 1 to fit
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## message-1493495101459267594
**2026-04-14T06:16:19.985+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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So Luna 1 was made
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## message-1493496397910245416
**2026-04-14T06:21:29.083+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Then I misunderstood. I thought you had already fitted your previous design into the wafers.space template.
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## message-1493496536158703648
**2026-04-14T06:22:02.044+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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No because I didn't know of that until I was working on improving the tapeout
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## message-1493737274691555348
**2026-04-14T22:18:38.583+00:00 — futaris [AU] (@futaris)**
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- Author ID: `195742165161213952`
- Nickname: futaris [AU]
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- Edited: 2026-04-14T22:20:57.982+00:00
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Great interview @Essen . I did some work on Cirrus Logic MaverickCrunch gcc compilers about 20 years ago. I think their HQ is/was in Austin, TX.
Listened to the pod cast whilst driving and doing other errands.
Your bfloat16 implementation and blog posts are great for someone who has a deep understanding of the software and not so much of the hardware implementation of floating point.
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## message-1493737777232085022
**2026-04-14T22:20:38.398+00:00 — futaris [AU] (@futaris)**
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https://youtu.be/L-QVgbdt_qg
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## message-1493762251545514039
**2026-04-14T23:57:53.529+00:00 — namibj**
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> [Run] Evaluating: WP_C=0.81, WP_D=0.88, WN_MAIN=1.81, WN_CC=0.42, WN_TAIL=5.51, LP_C=0.20, LP_D=0.42, LN_MAIN=0.15, LN_CC=0.15, LN_TAIL=0.15, V3=0.00
> --> Success: Freq = 4.982 GHz, V_pp = 2.141 V
sky130; no reactive elements; xschem (no layout parasitics accounted for yet); not really tuned yet though.
Search algo is ongoing at the task of figuring out the relevant area of physically possible parameter space (like, from manufacturable transistor sizes down to those that result in oscillations).
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## message-1493856811701502085
**2026-04-15T06:13:38.427+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Hi everyone, could people bug me about getting announcements out about Run 1 and Run 2? I've been really slack and keep getting distracted.
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## message-1493945118342905926
**2026-04-15T12:04:32.371+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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For all you FPGA enthusiasts here, I've brought up the FPGA of Greyhound: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/leo-moser_fpga-asic-opensource-activity-7450118975205593088-17B8
I'm looking forward to testing my FPGA on wafer.space run #1! 👏
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## message-1493966422454439978
**2026-04-15T13:29:11.667+00:00 — dshadoff**
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- Author ID: `692166844701999105`
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- Edited: 2026-04-15T13:29:51.27+00:00
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Will anybody be going to (or presenting at ?) the Latch-Up conference in Waterloo Ontario (Canada) in a couple of weeks ?
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## message-1493985494357246012
**2026-04-15T14:44:58.763+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I was hoping to make it but I don't think I will end up doing so
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## message-1494067961240228011
**2026-04-15T20:12:40.4+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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I didn't know about that conference until just now lol.
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## message-1494288116343640185
**2026-04-16T10:47:29.467+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Hello! I was wondering if I could get a hand with setting up my workflow to design the chip for this process? Rn I managed to get most of the template set up, but on runnng my code Yosys is throwing 130 check errors at me, and I can't find what they actually are?
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## message-1494288997185355868
**2026-04-16T10:50:59.476+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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Did you look in the runs directory?
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## message-1494289073244733560
**2026-04-16T10:51:17.61+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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yep, but the log just says 130 Yosys check errors found
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## message-1494289369597607996
**2026-04-16T10:52:28.266+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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The librelane log will say that, but in the runs directory will be the actual Yosys output
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## message-1494289501546086515
**2026-04-16T10:52:59.725+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Not really, the step only contains a config.json and state_in.json
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## message-1494289706823712799
**2026-04-16T10:53:48.667+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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I am very new to LibreLane so I'm not quite the best at knowing where to find stuff tho xd
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## message-1494313116102819951
**2026-04-16T12:26:49.874+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So many PCBs for my bring-ups...
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## message-1494323716975362183
**2026-04-16T13:08:57.319+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Fixed the issues I had with Yosys (I think) but now I get
```ERROR add_global_connections failed to make any connections for 'rst_n_pad/DVDD' to VDD. ```
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## message-1494329216014094458
**2026-04-16T13:30:48.392+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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For some reason it canot connect power to the rst pad huh...
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## message-1494329225010745464
**2026-04-16T13:30:50.537+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Weird...
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## message-1494333426432606282
**2026-04-16T13:47:32.234+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1494348998579060746
**2026-04-16T14:49:24.923+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Some feedback: On the template on the github it would be neat if setting any pad count to 0 would disable the generation code for that pad type, which should be doable with an if block
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**2026-04-16T15:07:50.147+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1495018852671557733
**2026-04-18T11:11:10.584+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Bit of a bump, is this something that could be played with on a TT or similar? If it's not a decent task for a motivated beginner then it's not for me, but it would be pretty cool to learn
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## message-1495147968108691667
**2026-04-18T19:44:14.103+00:00 — nmz787**
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Isn't tt much much smaller usable area? Silicon capacitors are nothing new, the PDK parasitics models should include capacitance already. I'm not sure what the mention of "AI" in the google doc is about
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## message-1495149077548109934
**2026-04-18T19:48:38.614+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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there's probably some best-fit model that exists for a given capacitance, or if you can accept some other higher parasitics. The idea for trying it out on TT is to test out a few caps without going broke though heh.
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## message-1495196381839622185
**2026-04-18T22:56:36.836+00:00 — namibj**
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> deep trench
from the linked muRata datasheet.
Sounds like it's based on DRAM storage capacitor manufacturing technology; we don't have that in gf180mcu.
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## message-1495196622638813274
**2026-04-18T22:57:34.247+00:00 — namibj**
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TT doesn't have the structures that are used for these highly linear capacitors
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## message-1495196914629611641
**2026-04-18T22:58:43.863+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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High aspect ratio caps are something completely different
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## message-1495196941691392040
**2026-04-18T22:58:50.315+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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They dont use standard processes
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## message-1495196970015264950
**2026-04-18T22:58:57.068+00:00 — namibj**
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(Also lacking the packaging but that's just a non-selected process option (WLCSP bumping) that could probably be taken for wafer.space based on a cost tradeoff if the process had access to the deep trench capacitor structures needed.)
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## message-1495197182868066404
**2026-04-18T22:59:47.816+00:00 — namibj**
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well, look at the linked muRata datasheet first page 1st prose paragraph
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## message-1495197235560841326
**2026-04-18T23:00:00.379+00:00 — namibj**
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err, 1st body paragraph
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## message-1495197280394022955
**2026-04-18T23:00:11.068+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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I know what you're getting at, I don't know how that's at all relevant
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## message-1495197292393795608
**2026-04-18T23:00:13.929+00:00 — namibj**
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> hese deep trench silicon capacitors have been developed with a semiconductor MOS process. They provide
> very high reliability and capacitance stability over voltage (0.1%/V) and temperature (60 ppm/K).
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## message-1495197385679442101
**2026-04-18T23:00:36.17+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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What does this have to do with testing capacitors on the gf process
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## message-1495197872986263614
**2026-04-18T23:02:32.353+00:00 — namibj**
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The reason these silicon capacitors are worth something on the market of passive SMD parts is because their dielectric is afaik grown silicon dioxide on a surface area enhancing trench structure.
That dielectric is awesome electrically.
That structure patterning provides suffiiciently low parasitics to be worth the cost of semiconductor patterning for a mere SMD capacitor, considering the electrical awesomness of the SiO2
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## message-1495198118646386690
**2026-04-18T23:03:30.923+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Yes, and they use ALD & SoI to achieve their aspect ratios, but that doesn't mean you can't test MiM caps on gf180
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## message-1495198369218298069
**2026-04-18T23:04:30.664+00:00 — namibj**
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ok buy a slot have some externally contacted quite shitty MIM caps?
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## message-1495198438155878500
**2026-04-18T23:04:47.1+00:00 — namibj**
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wafer.space doesn't give you WLCSP.
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## message-1495198571375628369
**2026-04-18T23:05:18.862+00:00 — namibj**
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Without that the packaging parasitics make these practically useless, also MIM caps are not really that good comparatively.
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## message-1495198669333467199
**2026-04-18T23:05:42.217+00:00 — namibj**
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(Use non-litho manufacturing instead....)
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## message-1495198872686039163
**2026-04-18T23:06:30.7+00:00 — namibj**
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The MIM are good... if you need on-die caps that don't eat active area and are pretty linear. Yeah.
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## message-1495200397076205689
**2026-04-18T23:12:34.143+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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I'll hold off for someone else's opinion. Noted.
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## message-1495231466672488509
**2026-04-19T01:16:01.712+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@bunnie was explaining the reason silicon caps are useful is because of how thin they can be.
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## message-1495231819803529296
**2026-04-19T01:17:25.905+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The idea would be to build structures on all of the silicon layers, metal layers and mim layers which try to produce the highest possible capacitance.
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## message-1495232288647024781
**2026-04-19T01:19:17.686+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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It's basically an optimization problem.
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## message-1495232315842887781
**2026-04-19T01:19:24.17+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Yeah, I figured part of the challenge is finding a way to do the inverse problem solving
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## message-1495233532631711865
**2026-04-19T01:24:14.275+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1495233532631711865`
- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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The other benefit I could see would be the ability to generate proven caps for other purposes
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## message-1495237674087354368
**2026-04-19T01:40:41.675+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Correct
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## message-1495237938819235931
**2026-04-19T01:41:44.792+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1495237938819235931`
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GDSFactory has a bunch of modes which have been used for silicon photonics optimization in a similar manner
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## message-1495262003579846746
**2026-04-19T03:17:22.278+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495262003579846746`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
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yeah i remember reading recently about some of these advanced packages for chiplet interconnects
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## message-1495262034663571546
**2026-04-19T03:17:29.689+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495262034663571546`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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apparently they have trench caps in them for decoupling on the interposer
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## message-1495262322699145406
**2026-04-19T03:18:38.362+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495262322699145406`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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Also, finally (after waaaay too long) managed to install the PDK
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## message-1495262381285052649
**2026-04-19T03:18:52.33+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495262381285052649`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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and i have some of the library cells open in klayout and.... wow these look weird lol
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## message-1495262463350800506
**2026-04-19T03:19:11.896+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495262463350800506`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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the fine metal features and huge poly just seem so bizarre
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## message-1495262528362512545
**2026-04-19T03:19:27.396+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495262528362512545`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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i'm used to looking at poly that is like double patterned or something and is pushing litho limits and metal is enormous by comparison
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## message-1495263259656323122
**2026-04-19T03:22:21.75+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so seeing signal lines on M1 that are like half the size of the poly is just confusing to me lol
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## message-1495264459860480080
**2026-04-19T03:27:07.901+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495264459860480080`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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buuut i need to not get nerdsniped too much on this until i get some chores done :p
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## message-1495265418141630614
**2026-04-19T03:30:56.373+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495265418141630614`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
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for reference if anybody is curious... this is a nand2 on UMC 180nm
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## message-1495265533019291719
**2026-04-19T03:31:23.762+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495265533019291719`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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the chip had 3.3V compatible IOs and a 1.8V core, this particular cell is from a closeup image that I don't have any context for so unsure if in the IO area or core
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## message-1495265587738448043
**2026-04-19T03:31:36.808+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495265587738448043`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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(i took the photo in 2014 and have no notes from it)
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## message-1495266493515042857
**2026-04-19T03:35:12.762+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495266493515042857`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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it had a lot of custom layout so this isnt part of a standard cell
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## message-1495279473237430445
**2026-04-19T04:26:47.369+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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very bouba
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## message-1495283753071677520
**2026-04-19T04:43:47.761+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495283753071677520`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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no matter how kiki your layout is, after litho and etch it's gonna turn out bouba if it's a min-sized feature :p
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## message-1495284833721516172
**2026-04-19T04:48:05.408+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1495284833721516172`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
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```text
straight lines and 90 degree angles are lies perpetuated by big geometry
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## message-1495527389080457217
**2026-04-19T20:51:55.112+00:00 — namibj**
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huh.... I thought you said you're not gonna look until you get 1.8V oxide 😄
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## message-1495527515563888741
**2026-04-19T20:52:25.268+00:00 — namibj**
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~~embrace ring shaped ring oscillators~~
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## message-1495674460869623849
**2026-04-20T06:36:19.759+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Shhhhhhh....
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## message-1495674599889698897
**2026-04-20T06:36:52.904+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I would love to get SEM imaging of various GF180MCU stuff. I think at some point I sent you some samples. I have a lot more potential samples now.
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## message-1495674929788616784
**2026-04-20T06:38:11.558+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@azonenberg - I'm actually talking to Lattice about getting known good die of Lattice FPGAs to offer co-packaged/wire bonded GF180MCU parts with cheap open source supported FPGAs. That might be a gateway option for exploring PCIe type things further.
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## message-1495675503871529020
**2026-04-20T06:40:28.43+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Interesting. But my goal here is not so much "I want to build an asic on gf180 with pcie" as it is pathfinding for future gen e.g. pcie gen3/4/5 on $FAB 90/65/45
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## message-1495675576693035088
**2026-04-20T06:40:45.792+00:00 — azonenberg**
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my realistic "I think we can actually do this" near term goal is to build a pcie "gen 0.5" PHY on gf180mcu
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## message-1495675628609867836
**2026-04-20T06:40:58.17+00:00 — azonenberg**
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something that is protocol compatible with gen1 but underclocked to 1/2 or 1/4 or 1/8 rate
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## message-1495675681332527204
**2026-04-20T06:41:10.74+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and can talk to an fpga transceiver running in sub rate mode
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## message-1495675740098789476
**2026-04-20T06:41:24.751+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but the idea being that the same circuit would hopefully lay the groundwork for a faster one on a more modern node
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## message-1495676382053929020
**2026-04-20T06:43:57.805+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so while i'm sure there might be other projects that could benefit from such a copackaged design with fpga + asic, it doesn't fill my goal here where development of the phy/protocol IP itself is the point
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## message-1495676486064275658
**2026-04-20T06:44:22.603+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I think i have some samples from you in my microscope food bin from skywater but i need to see what might be gf180. i've been too busy to get to them so far
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## message-1495676576862568448
**2026-04-20T06:44:44.251+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I'd need work's signoff to image them in their lab, alternatively if my friends across town get any of their sems working i can use theirs with no issue
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## message-1495676610102300733
**2026-04-20T06:44:52.176+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i can definitely image optically on my home setup on the labsmore X1
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## message-1495676876838928405
**2026-04-20T06:45:55.771+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I was thinking of it as a way to experiment with different parts of the system split between ASIC and FPGA side - like what I describe in https://bit.ly/open-pipe-talk
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## message-1495677012415746189
**2026-04-20T06:46:28.095+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Fair, that is definitely a possibility and i absolutely like the idea
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## message-1495677090580791416
**2026-04-20T06:46:46.731+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495677090580791416`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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also for zynq-style cooperation flows
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## message-1495677163335323729
**2026-04-20T06:47:04.077+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Well SGMII would be nice 🙂
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## message-1495677249993703594
**2026-04-20T06:47:24.738+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495677249993703594`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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e.g. maybe you could run something like 16-bit APB/AHB between the asic and fpga die or something
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## message-1495677531561656390
**2026-04-20T06:48:31.869+00:00 — azonenberg**
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yeah i think even sgmii is going to be hard, from what i have seen from you and other folks, without the 1.8v fets. with them, it's probably doable
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## message-1495677613824282624
**2026-04-20T06:48:51.482+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495677613824282624`
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i think 1/4 rate pcie as a sandbox is likely doable though
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## message-1495677641037185174
**2026-04-20T06:48:57.97+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495677641037185174`
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try to build out a full flow with VCO, CDR, equalizers, etc
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## message-1495677772817895485
**2026-04-20T06:49:29.389+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i.e. 625 Mbps instead of 2.5 Gbps
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## message-1495677810449317898
**2026-04-20T06:49:38.361+00:00 — azonenberg**
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that's just barely around Fmin of xilinx GTP/GTXs
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## message-1495677817139101757
**2026-04-20T06:49:39.956+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I wouldn't necessarily based anything on my results ... I'm a novice analog designer 😅
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## message-1495677867999100989
**2026-04-20T06:49:52.082+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and i have a computer science degree :p
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## message-1495677886924062731
**2026-04-20T06:49:56.594+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Not an EE
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## message-1495677964308713532
**2026-04-20T06:50:15.044+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i need to learn a ton of analog to be able to actually build CMOS analog that does anything
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## message-1495678036253737022
**2026-04-20T06:50:32.197+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i'm reasonably confident i could build digital standard cells without a lot of trouble since i've RE'd so many of them by now
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## message-1495678123088412756
**2026-04-20T06:50:52.9+00:00 — azonenberg**
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one of the things i want to do soonish, and will probably be asking for some handholding at some point, is building some 3.3V cells for gf180mcu
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## message-1495678199017771019
**2026-04-20T06:51:11.003+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i know other people are doing it but i want to learn and i figure i should build an inverter before i build a VCO :p
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## message-1495678979703705610
**2026-04-20T06:54:17.133+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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There are some. Tholin made a library.
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## message-1495679090257297499
**2026-04-20T06:54:43.491+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It's not silicon proven yet but some proto should be on WS1 run.
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## message-1495679151556792382
**2026-04-20T06:54:58.106+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Well, i'll look after i've done a few on my own
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## message-1495679168841777252
**2026-04-20T06:55:02.227+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and see how much better theirs are :p
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## message-1495679381996044338
**2026-04-20T06:55:53.047+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i dont want to end up unconsciously copying, i want to start from just the design rules and see what i come up with
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## message-1495679403328540773
**2026-04-20T06:55:58.133+00:00 — azonenberg**
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then compare after
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## message-1495679447427190815
**2026-04-20T06:56:08.647+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Oh ... I misread the sentence ... I thought you'd be asking for someone to do it, not that you wanted to do it yourself, my bad.
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## message-1495679482215010397
**2026-04-20T06:56:16.941+00:00 — azonenberg**
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- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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no i want to do it as a learning exercise
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## message-1495679506000904224
**2026-04-20T06:56:22.612+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and probably put it on a TT because why not
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## message-1495679509926645791
**2026-04-20T06:56:23.548+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yeah make sense.
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## message-1495679542554263654
**2026-04-20T06:56:31.327+00:00 — azonenberg**
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- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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and if mine end up being good enoguh other people can use the lib, great
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## message-1495679644438106153
**2026-04-20T06:56:55.618+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the goal is both for practice with the tools, and to prep for eventually building a 1.8v lib if we manage to get full gf180bcd or whatever it's called one day
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## message-1495679769730351105
**2026-04-20T06:57:25.49+00:00 — azonenberg**
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first step is going to be figuring out what tools i still need to set up and learning how to integrate them to do simulations etc
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## message-1495679854199308298
**2026-04-20T06:57:45.629+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495679854199308298`
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i've used yosys before but my copy is probably hopelessly out of date, i have klayout installed already for other reasons
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## message-1495679881361752064
**2026-04-20T06:57:52.105+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i installed the gf180mcu PDK
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## message-1495679928379904070
**2026-04-20T06:58:03.315+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i installed magic but the UI is so horrible i want to stick with klayout if at all possible
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## message-1495680003294236813
**2026-04-20T06:58:21.176+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i do not have any extraction or P&R tools installed to my knowledge
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## message-1495680022537572445
**2026-04-20T06:58:25.764+00:00 — azonenberg**
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or timing
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## message-1495680061909766314
**2026-04-20T06:58:35.151+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495680061909766314`
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i assume most or all of that is part of openlane which i havent set up yet
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## message-1495680162401095851
**2026-04-20T06:58:59.11+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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extraction is actually done with magic ...
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## message-1495680216960471071
**2026-04-20T06:59:12.118+00:00 — azonenberg**
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ah ok, well then i'm going to have to suck it up and deal with the pain lol
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## message-1495680303119990857
**2026-04-20T06:59:32.66+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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klayout is starting to have basic extraction, but it's new and basic ATM, never tried it.
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## message-1495680316394963036
**2026-04-20T06:59:35.825+00:00 — azonenberg**
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last time i poked at it i turned off some layers and couldnt figure out how to turn them back on
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## message-1495680408015081484
**2026-04-20T06:59:57.669+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i tried various combinations of left/right/middle click, double click, ctrl/alt/shift on the layers window
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## message-1495680420077895770
**2026-04-20T07:00:00.545+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and nothing turned them back on
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## message-1495680618032533566
**2026-04-20T07:00:47.741+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but yeah basically before i do much of anything else i want to get all of the tooling installed, draw an inverter, and figure out how to simulate it. then do a ring oscillator, then some more cells
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## message-1495680714639933481
**2026-04-20T07:01:10.774+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1495680714639933481`
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- Edited: 2026-04-20T07:01:17.804+00:00
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I actually like magic . The learning curve is steep but after a few hours, I end up way more productive than with point and click in klayout.
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## message-1495680925399257169
**2026-04-20T07:02:01.023+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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There was a "cheat sheet" around with the default keyboard short cuts.
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## message-1495680927001477140
**2026-04-20T07:02:01.405+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I would like to see a new tool with a UI from this century and GPU accelerated rendering one day. Maybe it'll just be a frontend around magic's geometry kernels and extractions and stuff
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## message-1495680976523886652
**2026-04-20T07:02:13.212+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495680976523886652`
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klayout has no gpu acceleration at all afaik, magic is opengl but not as much as i would hope to see
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## message-1495681067657461850
**2026-04-20T07:02:34.94+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495681067657461850`
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klayout gets reeeeally slow on big gds's
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## message-1495681104672198706
**2026-04-20T07:02:43.765+00:00 — azonenberg**
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years back i opened a TS28HPC+ GDS on it
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## message-1495681135823425589
**2026-04-20T07:02:51.192+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it... was navigable, with difficulty
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## message-1495681198934986762
**2026-04-20T07:03:06.239+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but not what i would consider acceptable performance for actually doing any kind of engineering
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## message-1495681387271819436
**2026-04-20T07:03:51.142+00:00 — azonenberg**
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obviously the kinds of things we're doing on gf180mcu will have much less polygons
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## message-1495681422319423648
**2026-04-20T07:03:59.498+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and not 50+ GB GDS's
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## message-1495681517597360218
**2026-04-20T07:04:22.214+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@azonenberg - I've always thought that you could load the GDS into something like the Google Maps API 😛
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## message-1495681698170536087
**2026-04-20T07:05:05.266+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Sooo i would actually like to see something along those lines that does tile based rendering and caches a texture for each layer as a png on disk
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## message-1495681746967072868
**2026-04-20T07:05:16.9+00:00 — azonenberg**
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precomputing stuff so the drawing is ~instantaneous
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## message-1495681802826682463
**2026-04-20T07:05:30.218+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495681802826682463`
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i have experienec building such stuff for GIS in years back
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## message-1495681961572958360
**2026-04-20T07:06:08.066+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but my long term vision for what i want to see in a next-gen layout editor/viewer is something using vulkan which seems to be the way of the future for cross platform, and the ability to use it for both rendering and compute acceleration
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## message-1495682039330902077
**2026-04-20T07:06:26.605+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i want GPU LVS/DRC/extractions, field solver, etc :p
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## message-1495682138916524186
**2026-04-20T07:06:50.348+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Grid is 5 nm, chip is 3x5 mm tha'ts one 600k x 1000k PNG per layer.
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## message-1495682164010909799
**2026-04-20T07:06:56.331+00:00 — azonenberg**
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no not a single image
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## message-1495682196143476846
**2026-04-20T07:07:03.992+00:00 — azonenberg**
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you do a pyramid like google maps
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## message-1495682248433995869
**2026-04-20T07:07:16.459+00:00 — azonenberg**
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max zoom is say 512 x 512 5nm pixels per tile
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## message-1495682340679057498
**2026-04-20T07:07:38.452+00:00 — azonenberg**
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then you'd have power of 2 or 4 reductions from that
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## message-1495682359737978941
**2026-04-20T07:07:42.996+00:00 — azonenberg**
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one set of tiles per layer
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## message-1495682516907200512
**2026-04-20T07:08:20.468+00:00 — azonenberg**
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And you don't have to render them all in advance. you can rough decimate and render low res of the whole chip, then as the user pans and zooms render things just off screen in anticipation of them coming into view soon
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## message-1495682621123072032
**2026-04-20T07:08:45.315+00:00 — azonenberg**
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this is what I did in a GIS app years back, we'd prefetch and decompress tiles in th edirection you were panning and zooming before they got on screen
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## message-1495682624960725043
**2026-04-20T07:08:46.23+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Sure but eventually you still end up with that full resolution stored on disk. Even if split. Even if you manage to compress 100:1 that's still 500 Mbytes per layer.
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## message-1495682656485113877
**2026-04-20T07:08:53.746+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495682656485113877`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
- User name: azonenberg
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```text
no popping and LOD delays like google maps has
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## message-1495682725468835970
**2026-04-20T07:09:10.193+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495682725468835970`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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```text
Well yes, but it can be sparse. you won't be looking at every tile all the time
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## message-1495682755109978164
**2026-04-20T07:09:17.26+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495682755109978164`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
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```text
you can cap the cache to however many GB the user wants to allocate
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## message-1495682770821845134
**2026-04-20T07:09:21.006+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495682770821845134`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
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and re-render tiles as needed
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## message-1495682874068963348
**2026-04-20T07:09:45.622+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495682874068963348`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
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also realistically for ASIC design a couple GB of disk space is not an unreasonable ask
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## message-1495683338608971838
**2026-04-20T07:11:36.377+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495683338608971838`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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anyway, i have way too many things on my plate already and i am not attempting to replace magic or klayout any time soon
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## message-1495683408808902666
**2026-04-20T07:11:53.114+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495683408808902666`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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but I *am* tempted to try to make a gpu accelerated view-only GDS display tool as a PoC some time to feel out the idea
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## message-1495683515696812143
**2026-04-20T07:12:18.598+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495683515696812143`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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and if it turns out to be something we can start porting editing functionality from the other tools into, great. if not, maybe it'll just be the asic version of gerbview
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## message-1495683592762953758
**2026-04-20T07:12:36.972+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1495683592762953758`
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There's "THE CHIPMAP™: VISUALIZING LARGE VLSI PHYSICAL DESIGN DATASETS" by Jeff Solomon, December 2002.
It implements a mipmapping pyramid, as you described.
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## message-1495686294217691237
**2026-04-20T07:23:21.049+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i've worked with some heavily CLI/keyboard based tools and dont like them much
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## message-1495686353621618789
**2026-04-20T07:23:35.212+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495686353621618789`
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i like menu/mouse driven stuff that have keyobard shortcuts for common actions but it's not the main/only way to do things
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## message-1495747448533155892
**2026-04-20T11:26:21.374+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1495747448533155892`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Are the 3.3V devices even too bad to squeeze 2.5 GBaud out of them?
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## message-1495748545582731295
**2026-04-20T11:30:42.931+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1495748545582731295`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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I'd consider asking them about what IO buffer performance you'd get with that co-packaging so you can at least try to match it with the connected ASIC pad.
A fairly known wire bond has far more constrained parasitics than some "generic" PCB trace.
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## message-1495749405947727882
**2026-04-20T11:34:08.058+00:00 — namibj**
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Are the models for gf180mcu at least decent quality, unlike the sky130 ones?
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## message-1495749883036958760
**2026-04-20T11:36:01.805+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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No idea, never tried ...
And the sky130 ones aren't all that bad, they're just not designed with subthreshold operation in mind because at the time they were made, nobody was doing that ...
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## message-1495750487146762433
**2026-04-20T11:38:25.836+00:00 — namibj**
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Any reason why I shouldn't switch to klayout for my efforts before I sit myself down to watch 6 hours of tutorial(s) in hopes of getting the hang of it without really spare time to "just" dabble "playfully" until I no longer need the manual more than once every 5 minutes?
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## message-1495750979776286740
**2026-04-20T11:40:23.288+00:00 — namibj**
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Left/right click on the smol square button with the layer draw style "tile" on it.
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## message-1495751193064898651
**2026-04-20T11:41:14.14+00:00 — namibj**
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Link before I wake up again in ~20 hours pls?
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## message-1495751481062850590
**2026-04-20T11:42:22.804+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1495751481062850590`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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https://github.com/iic-jku/osic-multitool/blob/main/magic-cheatsheet/magic_cheatsheet.pdf
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## message-1495752020240371862
**2026-04-20T11:44:31.354+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1495752020240371862`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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In magic I never use anything else than the `box` mode and a few time the `wiring` mode. Never use import from spice or the other mode .....
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## message-1495752030231466237
**2026-04-20T11:44:33.736+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1495752030231466237`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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... What _is_ the mask pixel size, anyways?
Or do they not quantize at granularity visible in e.g. standard cell design?
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## message-1495752253372629123
**2026-04-20T11:45:26.937+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1495752253372629123`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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The manufacturing grid is 5 nm ... that's all we know. The rest is details that are not public/available/specified ...
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## message-1495752355927560212
**2026-04-20T11:45:51.388+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1495752355927560212`
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~~I think we're supposed to write more TCL and use less mouse with magic~~
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## message-1495752441529106444
**2026-04-20T11:46:11.797+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1495752441529106444`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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But different masks have different resolution, the poly mask is much finer than the implant mask for instance ... they only reserve the finer thing for stuff that needs it.
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## message-1495752698920697856
**2026-04-20T11:47:13.164+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1495752698920697856`
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That's the "lossless" pixel size of handing the gds layers as bitmaps instead of their normal vector-shape-stuff?
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## message-1495752874762834000
**2026-04-20T11:47:55.088+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1495752874762834000`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-04-20T11:48:05.34+00:00
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Pretty much. All coordinates need to be aligned to the grid.
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## message-1495753012948504728
**2026-04-20T11:48:28.034+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1495753012948504728`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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I know actual features will be larger, but alignment isn't bound by the same optical resolution laws :ferrisCatOwO:
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## message-1495753127348015314
**2026-04-20T11:48:55.309+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1495753127348015314`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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(only gf180mcu or is sky130 the same/do you remember the number for it?)
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## message-1495753752051978311
**2026-04-20T11:51:24.25+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1495753752051978311`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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Same grid for both.
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## message-1495753789733601371
**2026-04-20T11:51:33.234+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1495753789733601371`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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And IHP too
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## message-1495755178383511653
**2026-04-20T11:57:04.314+00:00 — namibj**
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:ferrisSquee:
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## message-1495823083645440079
**2026-04-20T16:26:54.19+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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++ the general sentiment against KLayout. Everytime I have to use it seriously it makes me angry. I know I shouldn't get mad at OSS, but it's like they looked at all the normal UI conventions and went "Ehh, what if we just change it slightly so everything is just a bit different". also yeah it bogs down fast under bigger designs
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## message-1495823455579279452
**2026-04-20T16:28:22.866+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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fwiw I'll be doing imaging of my chip, but not sure if or how many cross-sections. We'll see how lazy I feel. Not sure I'm skilled enough at lapping to de-layer either. Probably need @azonenberg's magic touch for that 🙂
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## message-1495823747029143654
**2026-04-20T16:29:32.353+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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We got some pretty nice sky130 cross sections with some fine grit sandpaper IIRC - @digshadow - Do you remember the method we used?
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## message-1495824145789747275
**2026-04-20T16:31:07.425+00:00 — namibj**
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magic's excuse at least is "back in my day we had to use X10, because X11 wasn't invented yet" or something 🙁
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## message-1495825010588385431
**2026-04-20T16:34:33.609+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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we actually have a nice little lapping station here at work i'll probably use after hours. epoxy molds, full set of grits, water flushing etc. mostly a laziness problem haha 😄 i'll do at least a few, the cross-sections I did of a i486 were a huge hit on the channel a few years ago (ditto to ion etching xsections)
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## message-1495825331746111509
**2026-04-20T16:35:50.179+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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hoping to get some 3d surface profilometry data too
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## message-1495825629285847260
**2026-04-20T16:37:01.118+00:00 — namibj**
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Have you considered trying the diamond mirror tactics on chips?
If they have enough layer adhesion it should be possible to cut them with a defined edge (not just sand them off with undefined edges) without delaminating it?
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## message-1495826035323834550
**2026-04-20T16:38:37.925+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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oh that's a fun idea! I don't think my machine would have the accuracy needed, it's "only" +/- a few microns positioning accuracy. But I might be able to convince some diamond lathe friends to try that 🤔
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## message-1495826385921376337
**2026-04-20T16:40:01.514+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1495826385921376337`
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will have to think about the material stack, there are some materials that diamonds don't like to cut. mostly ferrous materials so probably ok, but will need to think about the nitrides and silicides
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## message-1495826474412802220
**2026-04-20T16:40:22.612+00:00 — namibj**
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Actually I was particularly thinking towards cross-section ability, possibly of a trench/angled nature
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**2026-04-20T16:40:46.299+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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ahh I see, which wouldn't care about positioning at all. hmmmmm
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## message-1495826691153461319
**2026-04-20T16:41:14.287+00:00 — namibj**
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Well, would, but that "only" should suffice
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## message-1495826730936438994
**2026-04-20T16:41:23.772+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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yah
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## message-1495827179827761283
**2026-04-20T16:43:10.796+00:00 — namibj**
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For scraping off BEOL though I'd assume supervision with just a medium-power optical microscope (NA=0.3 or around) to be plenty for controlling how much more needs to go.
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## message-1495827913444954292
**2026-04-20T16:46:05.704+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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think so yeah. my fixturing system has a few microns of repeatability error which might cause issues if I have to pull it off the machine to check under a scope, but can probably make things work
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## message-1495827952154181814
**2026-04-20T16:46:14.933+00:00 — namibj**
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dud chips are cheap and plenty, don't be afraid to try
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**2026-04-20T16:46:33.905+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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hehe yes, I have a whole pile of wafers and chips to destroy as needed 😄
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**2026-04-20T16:47:26.624+00:00 — namibj**
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> pull it off the machine to check under a scop
just slide it off to the side and affix the objective such that it can look at the work site without having to release the fixture
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## message-1495828840570683472
**2026-04-20T16:49:46.748+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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yeah was thinking something to that effect. it's a bit tricky since there's not really space to mount anything inside the machine, and you have to defeat some door interlocks if you want to run the machine with the door open and stuff hanging out. but i've done it before, just a PITA to get setup 🙂
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**2026-04-20T16:58:23.336+00:00 — namibj**
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I still have to get my handful of V2S200D soldered to try them out... they took a regular PDM asic and swapped the membrane for a probe mass.
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**2026-04-20T17:00:32.699+00:00 — namibj**
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(After I've shipped the best high speed serializer I can fit into the little space on my small sky26a 1x2 tile, so in 3 weeks.)
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## message-1495832820289900564
**2026-04-20T17:05:35.587+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Im actually looking at doing this for training a CNN for those capacitors heh
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## message-1495862348362285248
**2026-04-20T19:02:55.628+00:00 — azonenberg**
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no idea. i'm gonna make it as fast as I can whenever i get to it on whatever PDK is available at that time
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## message-1495862484811251936
**2026-04-20T19:03:28.16+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and if i have to downclock it by a few powers of two, it'll still let me prove out the architecture, digital protocol stuff, and learn things
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## message-1495866529642709165
**2026-04-20T19:19:32.523+00:00 — namibj**
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hmmm
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## message-1495867063913156799
**2026-04-20T19:21:39.903+00:00 — namibj**
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You gonna use scripted "cells" for the differential high speed logic parts (I don't mean the output power stage, but rather the mux/latch/serializer)?
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## message-1495867514243256330
**2026-04-20T19:23:27.27+00:00 — namibj**
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(I don't think it's wise to hand-draw the MCML for my trials, and I haven't yet found anything vaguely represenative to learn from.)
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## message-1495869787673333892
**2026-04-20T19:32:29.298+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I have no experience doing that but should probably learn at some point
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## message-1495869861773967470
**2026-04-20T19:32:46.965+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i've never done ASIC layout at all so everything is new to me :p
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## message-1495869904220328097
**2026-04-20T19:32:57.085+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i've looked at a ton of other people's layout since I do silicon RE as part of $dayjob
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## message-1495869926596939858
**2026-04-20T19:33:02.42+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(but entirely digital focused)
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## message-1495869928375320737
**2026-04-20T19:33:02.844+00:00 — namibj**
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I didn't expect the tooling to be this.... obtuse
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## message-1495869968942891150
**2026-04-20T19:33:12.516+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i've done RTL design for both FPGA and ASIC
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## message-1495870138774454313
**2026-04-20T19:33:53.007+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and a lot of custom floorplanning for FPGA, plus working with physical designers on ASIC to do high level floorplanning and looking at the resulting GDS (in klayout because they didn't want to buy me a synopsys tool seat for some silly reason, not like they're expensive or anything :P)
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## message-1495870182709530747
**2026-04-20T19:34:03.482+00:00 — namibj**
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it ehhhh... latches.....
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## message-1495870210924609617
**2026-04-20T19:34:10.209+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but never actually drawn mask layer polygons by hand
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## message-1495870260169937056
**2026-04-20T19:34:21.95+00:00 — namibj**
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nono I don't want to draw by hand
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## message-1495870329371885619
**2026-04-20T19:34:38.449+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(or done any scripted cell generation)
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## message-1495870454173536387
**2026-04-20T19:35:08.204+00:00 — azonenberg**
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also, the default colors in the techfiles are so confusing to me lol
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## message-1495870499815690240
**2026-04-20T19:35:19.086+00:00 — azonenberg**
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or not sure if the color comes from techfile or if its klayout/magic prefs?
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## message-1495870702287454360
**2026-04-20T19:36:07.359+00:00 — azonenberg**
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in the RE space i'm used to drawing p diffusion as dark yellow-brown, n diffusion as green, not drawing P+ or N+ explicitly, poly as red, metal1 as dark blue, other colors for higher metal layers
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## message-1495871446084485210
**2026-04-20T19:39:04.694+00:00 — namibj**
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(Like, that's the issue..... I know I could just sit down and power through and just draw by hand or hard-code-script by hand in magic with bare rectangles on the relevant layers until I get the couple cells needed.... but there's no decent way to make that style of "cell design" undergo some nightly batch optimization for e.g. symmetrizing edges, favoring as much missmatch tolerance as needed for usable yield, and making sure logic levels are set so that symmetrized loads can provide their PSRR benefits.)
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## message-1495872105496055808
**2026-04-20T19:41:41.91+00:00 — namibj**
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I do expect this work to be largely portable between the gf180mcu and the sky130a processes, even if some layout arrangements have to swap due to the massive transistor size difference (yet IIUC basically same metal sizes), so... yeah.
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## message-1495872303219867858
**2026-04-20T19:42:29.051+00:00 — azonenberg**
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are the 3.3v fets any bigger?
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## message-1495872321620148415
**2026-04-20T19:42:33.438+00:00 — azonenberg**
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or are you using 5v for this?
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## message-1495872402599575662
**2026-04-20T19:42:52.745+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i thought the 5v fets were huge but the 3.3 were about the same size as the 1.8 just slower
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## message-1495872418034745374
**2026-04-20T19:42:56.425+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but i never actually looked into it
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## message-1495872512448397472
**2026-04-20T19:43:18.935+00:00 — azonenberg**
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or are the 3.3 still longer channels?
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## message-1495872575354703894
**2026-04-20T19:43:33.933+00:00 — namibj**
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You mean between the two processes?
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## message-1495872719932096793
**2026-04-20T19:44:08.403+00:00 — namibj**
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> Note that the minimum gate length for 3V operation is 0.5 µm.
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## message-1495872748893765693
**2026-04-20T19:44:15.308+00:00 — namibj**
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> The 5V device has minimum gate length of 0.9 µm.
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## message-1495872783446577182
**2026-04-20T19:44:23.546+00:00 — namibj**
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"huge" isn't the word I'd use
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## message-1495872844704387124
**2026-04-20T19:44:38.151+00:00 — azonenberg**
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900nm wow no wonder they chomnk
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## message-1495872882637672650
**2026-04-20T19:44:47.195+00:00 — namibj**
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but 1.8V devices are 0.15 minimum
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## message-1495872907081941073
**2026-04-20T19:44:53.023+00:00 — azonenberg**
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that's still quite large lol
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## message-1495872981904130068
**2026-04-20T19:45:10.862+00:00 — azonenberg**
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this is going to be a wierd process to design for with how "cheap" high density metal is compared to transistors
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## message-1495873059054288926
**2026-04-20T19:45:29.256+00:00 — namibj**
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that's to get the safe operating area up to gate fully on and 5V difference between source and drain
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## message-1495873243846938684
**2026-04-20T19:46:13.314+00:00 — azonenberg**
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are those specs for the thick oxide? we have two oxide thicknesses available right?
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## message-1495873319847854140
**2026-04-20T19:46:31.434+00:00 — azonenberg**
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or is "3v operation" assuming thin oxide
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**2026-04-20T19:46:32.819+00:00 — namibj**
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e.g. _11V/16V NMOS FET_
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## message-1495873378396143728
**2026-04-20T19:46:45.393+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495873378396143728`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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- Edited: 2026-04-20T19:46:52.973+00:00
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aiui there's 3 oxide thicknesses total on gf180 family and we only have the two thicker available on gf180mcu?
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## message-1495873413489885324
**2026-04-20T19:46:53.76+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1495873413489885324`
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there's a 1.8 oxide and a 5.5 oxide
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## message-1495873426852937740
**2026-04-20T19:46:56.946+00:00 — azonenberg**
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oh
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## message-1495873470951587930
**2026-04-20T19:47:07.46+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i thought there were two oxides and you had the choice of 1.8 and 3.3 or 3.3 and 5
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## message-1495873484503388391
**2026-04-20T19:47:10.691+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495873484503388391`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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and gf180mcu was the latter
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## message-1495873591349084190
**2026-04-20T19:47:36.165+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so the 3. 3 and 5v fets are the same oxide and you just draw longer channels to get 5v vds?
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## message-1495873622185869392
**2026-04-20T19:47:43.517+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so vgs max is the same for either?
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## message-1495874030178140420
**2026-04-20T19:49:20.79+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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yes
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## message-1495874156950978570
**2026-04-20T19:49:51.015+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495874156950978570`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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Interesting, i must have misunderstood what i was reading on the pdk docs then
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## message-1495874212567584881
**2026-04-20T19:50:04.275+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495874212567584881`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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i thought we still had two thicknesses, just that our "thin" was the normal 1.8v process's "thick"
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## message-1495874247174914118
**2026-04-20T19:50:12.526+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1495874247174914118`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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and our "thick" was extra-thiccc
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## message-1495874376149766378
**2026-04-20T19:50:43.276+00:00 — azonenberg**
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well that explains some things then
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## message-1495874426711965817
**2026-04-20T19:50:55.331+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i guess that means our 3.3 fets and the normal process's 3.3 fets are not the same then?
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## message-1495874466289418310
**2026-04-20T19:51:04.767+00:00 — azonenberg**
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or do their 3.3 use this same thick oxide?
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## message-1495876189884252199
**2026-04-20T19:57:55.704+00:00 — namibj**
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ok huh
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## message-1495876264320434176
**2026-04-20T19:58:13.451+00:00 — namibj**
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apparently only 1 gate oxide but there's also a field oxide
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## message-1495876440024154264
**2026-04-20T19:58:55.342+00:00 — namibj**
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oh sorry I thought you meant "my" (short-term) pdk situation
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## message-1495876560102883389
**2026-04-20T19:59:23.971+00:00 — namibj**
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sorry the numbers I just quoted were sky130a
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## message-1495876693079101692
**2026-04-20T19:59:55.675+00:00 — namibj**
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gf180mcu does have two oxide thicknesses used for different voltage devices in a single process
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## message-1495876724506886285
**2026-04-20T20:00:03.168+00:00 — azonenberg**
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OK so i was right
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## message-1495876736733282474
**2026-04-20T20:00:06.083+00:00 — namibj**
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(afaik only ever 2)
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## message-1495876785882009790
**2026-04-20T20:00:17.801+00:00 — azonenberg**
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there are 3 thicknesses available and gf180mcu has the two thicker
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## message-1495876822083178648
**2026-04-20T20:00:26.432+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and the 1.8v version has the thinnest plus one of the two thicker for io
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## message-1495876957337030817
**2026-04-20T20:00:58.679+00:00 — namibj**
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dunno how exactly sky130a manages to have both 1.8V devices of IIUC quite decent performance as well as (up to) 20V FETs, but oh well
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## message-1495877228079091953
**2026-04-20T20:02:03.229+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so how big are the 3.3 fets on gf180mcu then?
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## message-1495877240154624190
**2026-04-20T20:02:06.108+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and the 5
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## message-1495877331338920079
**2026-04-20T20:02:27.848+00:00 — namibj**
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https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
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## message-1495877601686851686
**2026-04-20T20:03:32.304+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i poked around there and didnt see dimensional rules for poly, got a direct link?
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## message-1495877621517652088
**2026-04-20T20:03:37.032+00:00 — namibj**
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https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/analog/model_parameters/LV/LV_1_5_1.html
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## message-1495877741990510713
**2026-04-20T20:04:05.755+00:00 — namibj**
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0.22 0.28
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## message-1495877775238627531
**2026-04-20T20:04:13.682+00:00 — namibj**
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W L
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## message-1495877822139470016
**2026-04-20T20:04:24.864+00:00 — azonenberg**
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ok so 280nm channel length for the 3.3 fets
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**2026-04-20T20:04:54.053+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and looks like 500/600 for the 5v?
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## message-1495878059373625384
**2026-04-20T20:05:21.425+00:00 — namibj**
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nfet 06v0 0.3 0.6
pfet 06v0 0.3 0.5
nfet_06v0_nvt 0.8 1.8
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## message-1495878237413179482
**2026-04-20T20:06:03.873+00:00 — azonenberg**
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whats the difference between _nvt and normal nfet? is that a high vt low leakage one? or higher vds max?
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## message-1495878275015246056
**2026-04-20T20:06:12.838+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1495878311153373195
**2026-04-20T20:06:21.454+00:00 — namibj**
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for cascodes I think?
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**2026-04-20T20:06:31.96+00:00 — namibj**
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native threshold voltage
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## message-1495878513259974686
**2026-04-20T20:07:09.64+00:00 — namibj**
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uses light P doping of wafer for the channel with no implants in the channel
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## message-1495878585582354602
**2026-04-20T20:07:26.883+00:00 — namibj**
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as you can see, it's effectively a depletion-mode nmos
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## message-1495878836934414527
**2026-04-20T20:08:26.81+00:00 — namibj**
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(i.e. gate voltages are more like a jfet than a "normal" mosfet in operation; it's still a mosfet though so the gate _is_ floating and isolated in both polarities)
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**2026-04-20T20:11:45.816+00:00 — namibj**
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_transistor huh
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## message-1495880331159535767
**2026-04-20T20:14:23.061+00:00 — azonenberg**
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interesting. i'm used to just having lvt/svt/hvt implants
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## message-1495880361782153268
**2026-04-20T20:14:30.362+00:00 — azonenberg**
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just to trade leakage against speed
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## message-1495880490991751292
**2026-04-20T20:15:01.168+00:00 — azonenberg**
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- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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but i know very little about anything like this which seems like what you'd use in more analog stuff
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## message-1495882652090106066
**2026-04-20T20:23:36.414+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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apparently they're good as current sources because you can tie the gate to source and they behave as a current source
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## message-1495882807418028192
**2026-04-20T20:24:13.447+00:00 — namibj**
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(ofc in that case the absolute current isn't PT stable but it _is_ fairly V stable as it obviously should)
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## message-1495883004877475930
**2026-04-20T20:25:00.525+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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and at times thay may have lower resistance probably due to the absurdly low threshold voltage giving insane overdrive
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## message-1495883101375693000
**2026-04-20T20:25:23.532+00:00 — namibj**
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You've seen some nmos cascodes before, right?
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## message-1495883547351847102
**2026-04-20T20:27:09.861+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i've heard the term and have probably seen them but cant remember specifics
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## message-1495883637990887555
**2026-04-20T20:27:31.471+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the vast majority of what i do is just standard cell logic
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## message-1495885117107994674
**2026-04-20T20:33:24.12+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1495885460835401808
**2026-04-20T20:34:46.071+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1495885460835401808`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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if the top one has convenient threshold you can apparently tie it's gate to the bottom one's gate? they say, calling that "self-cascode"... weird anyways; but yeah, should be easier to bias as you can tie it off to ground
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## message-1496011359148572742
**2026-04-21T04:55:02.568+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496011359148572742`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell btw looking at the wafer photos it looks like a grid of normal sized dies, then short and skinny on one side and tall and skinny on the other
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## message-1496011379499466842
**2026-04-21T04:55:07.42+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496011379499466842`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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then there's an ultra small spot in the corner
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## message-1496011429894029454
**2026-04-21T04:55:19.435+00:00 — azonenberg**
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- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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i didn't see that ultra small spot as an orderable option, is that foundry test or your personal projects or what?
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## message-1496011514287755284
**2026-04-21T04:55:39.556+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
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Double Secret 0.5 x 0.5 Die
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## message-1496011560102137947
**2026-04-21T04:55:50.479+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(or is that tinytapeout lol)
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## message-1496011586442367018
**2026-04-21T04:55:56.759+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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!
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## message-1496012050923524157
**2026-04-21T04:57:47.5+00:00 — Saltypretzel (@_saltypretzel)**
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- Author ID: `371851806067654657`
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Are natives supported on this process? I worked with some other fab and they had to be special requested
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## message-1496017855383081042
**2026-04-21T05:20:51.391+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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I guess it’s not orderable because there’s only one of them - it basically exists as a consequence of the half slots existing. The usable area is similar to the largest design you can put on Tiny Tapeout.
On run 1 that has my TinyQV SoC in it as a test. I’m not sure if it’ll actually get bonded though as it would require a different setup just for that one slot.
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## message-1496033766752256181
**2026-04-21T06:24:04.957+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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In wsrun #2, there are actually three quarter slots, as we're adding one more horizontal cut. But yes, Tim wanted to keep those for other purposes.
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## message-1496037419495985234
**2026-04-21T06:38:35.839+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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You can compare to https://github.com/wafer-space/ws-run1
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## message-1496037690179584110
**2026-04-21T06:39:40.375+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I think @Leo Moser (mole99) or @Tim Edwards might know...
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## message-1496037952202080317
**2026-04-21T06:40:42.846+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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See https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1425483172166238410
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## message-1496041139067949056
**2026-04-21T06:53:22.654+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Also https://mithro.github.io/gf180mcu-project-template/
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## message-1496289992241057822
**2026-04-21T23:22:13.874+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I have never seen this before
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## message-1496354550444195891
**2026-04-22T03:38:45.749+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - That is weird it says "1. Shipper or Importer must provide a completed Commercial Invoice." but there was a completed Commercial Invoice uploaded to the electronic documentation and included in the fedex pouch.
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## message-1496393114359955516
**2026-04-22T06:12:00.103+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Heh, I also got FedEx import trouble this morning ( unrelated shipment ), they're asking for 3 times more than I was expecting as import fee ...
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## message-1496541120350650459
**2026-04-22T16:00:07.481+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Nickname: Tholin
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- Edited: 2026-04-22T16:00:23.043+00:00
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I can even view the invoice. But I clicked the button and all they actually wanted was for me to agree to accept any additional fees and import charges that might come up. I just had to click a checkbox.
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## message-1496543316139970663
**2026-04-22T16:08:50.998+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1496543316139970663`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Edited: 2026-04-22T16:09:17.29+00:00
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It may be a while until I have my dies. Fedex is extremely unaccommodating to people who are never home during their delivery times its always a days-long back and forth that usually ends in me having to waste a PTO day just to be home for the delivery.
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## message-1496548230480134185
**2026-04-22T16:28:22.668+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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- Author ID: `1447738536638943333`
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Yeaaah FedEx ain't the best. They sent me a letter to my house threatening legal action because I didn't pay 24€... Turns out I paid it, they just rejected it without giving any reasons and never told me to resend it... Fun...
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## message-1496565346461548785
**2026-04-22T17:36:23.436+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Others are not much better. I had UPS forget the decimal point when doing a custom declaration ... requesting VAT on a value of >6000$ instead of 60.xx $ ...
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## message-1496565795613048974
**2026-04-22T17:38:10.522+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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GLS sending my package to their office, in the other side of the city, because "I wasn't home" (I was home)
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## message-1496566006100000809
**2026-04-22T17:39:00.706+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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NAtional post telling me they would deliver a package after the weekend because I "wasn't home" (I watched the mailman take a smoke break in front of my house and then leave as I got the message)
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## message-1496566080854822992
**2026-04-22T17:39:18.529+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Idk why but postal services seem fucked up at some kind of base level
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## message-1496566189000884234
**2026-04-22T17:39:44.313+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Worthy of a dissertation on both economy of logistics companies, and the psychology of the morons running and working for them
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## message-1496831890215272540
**2026-04-23T11:15:32.419+00:00 — namibj**
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Longer-term the economy of actually specifically such a "high voltage" capable process with low per-die cost makes me want to go for my "MVDC-tamer" project again, getting back into it around next year it seems (looks at schedule of active projects).
It's a switched capacitor converter around 13.56 MHz (or half/double; for interference mitigation reasons) with a central FPGA brain and optically isolated floating drivers that yeet out digital pre-distortion waveforms to an expected class-B "vaguely linear PA" that then actually wobbles the gate of a 10s of mm² WBG "power switch"-class transistor.
The power switches are depending on native voltage rating series-connected for extra blocking voltage which necessitates extremely precise coordinated switching.
Previous best opportunity was an ice40 up5k married to a Parallax Propeller 2 for a few (3~8 depending on finer details) local power switch dies undergoing individual waveforms and supervision.
(Propeller 2 GPIOs have 3ns 8bit DACs at 123.75 Ohm (@3.3 V full-swing; with a resistive load to GND that gives nice 75 Ohm @2V) in each one as well as a first order Delta sigma modulator able to have it's own bitstream mirrored by a nearby GPIO; the idea was for the ice40 to take the raw bitstream and extract information on real gate voltage waveform by reconstructing the harmonics individually, and helping the processor update it's wavetable.)
But a P2 is like 12$ in quantity plus the up5k and importantly not yet including the analog PA. [It has 64 GPIOs and 512 kiB of shared RAM plus 512x 32bit registers plus 2 kiB core-local addressed ram (used e.g. for ~~DMA~~Streamer to feed the DACs) with 8 cores. Clocks are RP2350 tier, it's 130nm on-semi. Ofc that's fairly overkill for just feeding a gate driver and measuring the gate waveform to adjust things.]
I know the sky130 process allows on-die photodiodes; if that's also on gf180mcu the optical receiver could also be on-die.
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## message-1496832445306114099
**2026-04-23T11:17:44.763+00:00 — namibj**
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Probably the most relevant aspect to using wafer.space ASIC would be if they could be less thick, I guess.
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## message-1496850151950520443
**2026-04-23T12:28:06.356+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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The first bare dies have arrived! 🥳
All that hard work has paid off when you finally hold the chips in your hands ✨
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## message-1496859131720499350
**2026-04-23T13:03:47.3+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The die people just received are ~250um thick.
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## message-1496859465671245944
**2026-04-23T13:05:06.92+00:00 — namibj**
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ohhhh yeah that would be fine
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## message-1496877929328672869
**2026-04-23T14:18:28.999+00:00 — Meinhard Kissich (@meinhard)**
- Message ID: `1496877929328672869`
- Author ID: `270286460668739587`
- Nickname: Meinhard Kissich
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- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-04-23T14:25:41.749+00:00
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Arrived! 🥳🎉 It’s so exciting to see the actual dies. Thanks everyone at wafer.space and everyone involved for making that possible 😊
https://github.com/meiniKi/gf180mcu-fazyrv-hachure
Shuttle ID: **G801**
Code: **CAFE**
Can’t wait to make some more close up photos under a better microscope and bring up the chip 😀🤞
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## message-1496878045464756405
**2026-04-23T14:18:56.688+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I will get home in two hours. I know my dies and a microscope I impulse-purchased are waiting for me there.
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## message-1496878084312273059
**2026-04-23T14:19:05.95+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Stay tuned!
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## message-1496878440480243744
**2026-04-23T14:20:30.867+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Please share your project ID and links to your project on GitHub with things like photos so that we know what we are looking at! 🙂
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## message-1496880681383624794
**2026-04-23T14:29:25.14+00:00 — Meinhard Kissich (@meinhard)**
- Message ID: `1496880681383624794`
- Author ID: `270286460668739587`
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Added. Thanks for the hint 😊
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## message-1496880881699127469
**2026-04-23T14:30:12.899+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1496880881699127469`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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## message-1496881581066027140
**2026-04-23T14:32:59.641+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1496881581066027140`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Bed time for me, hope to wake up to more exciting photos and reports 🙂
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## message-1496881636673982485
**2026-04-23T14:33:12.899+00:00 — azonenberg**
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- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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Awesome to see
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## message-1496881825820311663
**2026-04-23T14:33:57.995+00:00 — azonenberg**
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- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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y'all are making it very hard for me to focus on $dayjob stuff and not drop everything to start playing with layout for one of my projects :p
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## message-1496887442412933182
**2026-04-23T14:56:17.095+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1496887442412933182`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
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It looks like mine (TQVA/TQVB/TQVC) have successfully been delivered to my office, but I'm away until 12th May so it'll be a while before I see them!
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## message-1496904913568137337
**2026-04-23T16:05:42.543+00:00 — Simi (@simi150500)**
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- Author ID: `210834917125390336`
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Our bare die also arrived! 🎉
Such a good feeling. Thanks again! 🙌
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## message-1496910211682795590
**2026-04-23T16:26:45.712+00:00 — namibj**
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Does this look like the pad ring is technically excessively wide, as only the immediate surroundings of the silvery pads "need" to be reserved?
Like, sure, that gives space for the IO transistors associated with that pad, but that's the only "necessity", or not?
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## message-1496915557113401364
**2026-04-23T16:48:00.162+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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It is said somewhere on the docs that using a custom pad you can get some extra usable area
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## message-1496916473531338834
**2026-04-23T16:51:38.653+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yeah I mean there's ESD structures and such too. but yeah if you did custom you could probably steal a bit of additional space
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## message-1496917121752367354
**2026-04-23T16:54:13.201+00:00 — azonenberg**
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But it doesnt look unreasonable from what I have seen on other 180nm nodes
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## message-1496917495737749725
**2026-04-23T16:55:42.366+00:00 — azonenberg**
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see this (somewhat dirty but it was the first photo I had handy Xilinx XC2C32A on UMC 180nm
```
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## message-1496917528692396155
**2026-04-23T16:55:50.223+00:00 — azonenberg**
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this is a smaller die so the padring dominates more
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## message-1496917920096456986
**2026-04-23T16:57:23.541+00:00 — azonenberg**
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or the XC2C384 which is... i dont have measurements off the top of my head but probably a bit taller and ~twice as wide as a waferspace tile?
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## message-1496918246912426266
**2026-04-23T16:58:41.46+00:00 — azonenberg**
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- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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On most of these older nodes with less metal layers, inboard of the pad itself it's common to have a set of large multilayer metal rings for vccio, vcore, and ground. And that does eat area, so might as well put your esd diodes and pad drivers and such on the lower layers underneath
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## message-1496919146380787873
**2026-04-23T17:02:15.91+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Huh that pre check repo on GH seems to do DRC better than running it through KLayout for GF180MCU. Hopefully I can get the DRC to pass this week.
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## message-1496920892285124639
**2026-04-23T17:09:12.166+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Something happened there
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## message-1496927308806881402
**2026-04-23T17:34:41.984+00:00 — xianglin_pu (@chasees18)**
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First round dies arrived for MOSbius chip. Thanks @Tim 'mithro' Ansell @Andrew Wingate
Some dies are off the grid
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## message-1496933778617008268
**2026-04-23T18:00:24.507+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1496935039127257148
**2026-04-23T18:05:25.036+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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AS03
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## message-1496935052527931563
**2026-04-23T18:05:28.231+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/ws-submission-2025/
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## message-1496937616044458096
**2026-04-23T18:15:39.421+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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NEED to get these to someone with a better microscope. I got some connections I can try and use for this.
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## message-1496954146304032910
**2026-04-23T19:21:20.542+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
- Message ID: `1496954146304032910`
- Author ID: `492702620759228416`
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- User name: mattvenn
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Amazing!
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## message-1496955563190390997
**2026-04-23T19:26:58.354+00:00 — Max Vallone (@mavmaster)**
- Message ID: `1496955563190390997`
- Author ID: `1140876793298047028`
- Nickname: Max Vallone
- User name: mavmaster
- Type: `Default`
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```text
The art is unreal!
```
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## message-1496956226423230555
**2026-04-23T19:29:36.481+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1496956226423230555`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
- Type: `Default`
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```text
Awesome! I wish I’d put some art on mine now!
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## message-1496979274970697920
**2026-04-23T21:01:11.683+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496979274970697920`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
- User name: azonenberg
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
If anybody wants to send me dies to image, I can run them on my Labsmore X1 CNC optical microscope at 20x easily
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## message-1496979400653148160
**2026-04-23T21:01:41.648+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496979400653148160`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
- User name: azonenberg
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Since there's no decap involved it's like 5 minutes of work for me to put a bare die under the scope, focus on the corners, and let it rip
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## message-1496979435541368963
**2026-04-23T21:01:49.966+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496979435541368963`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
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```text
then another 5 to stitch and crop afterwards
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## message-1496980654007521512
**2026-04-23T21:06:40.471+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496980654007521512`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
- User name: azonenberg
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-04-23T21:06:49.007+00:00
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If I get to upload the images to siliconprawn i'll do it for free, just send me a prepaid return shipping label if you want the silicon back
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## message-1496980795330527395
**2026-04-23T21:07:14.165+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496980795330527395`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
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^
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## message-1496981363893604482
**2026-04-23T21:09:29.721+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1496981363893604482`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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You just need one die? Or two or three, in case something goes wrong?
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## message-1496981457959129249
**2026-04-23T21:09:52.148+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496981457959129249`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
- User name: azonenberg
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I only need one, and these are big/thick enough I do not anticipate problems. If you want to send a few for insurance, that's fine though
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## message-1496983745960349726
**2026-04-23T21:18:57.65+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496983745960349726`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
- User name: azonenberg
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Just to avoid a second shipment in case I drop one or chip a corner with tweezers or something
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## message-1496988714256306308
**2026-04-23T21:38:42.184+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1496988714256306308`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Alright. Do I have to ship it far from here in the EU?
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## message-1496988800042406009
**2026-04-23T21:39:02.637+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496988800042406009`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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I'm in the US but postage for something that small/light will probably not be too bad
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## message-1496990089761394818
**2026-04-23T21:44:10.13+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496990089761394818`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
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near Seattle if you wanted to get a rough price and decide based on that
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## message-1496992888091836488
**2026-04-23T21:55:17.304+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1496992888091836488`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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actually pretty bad because you have to go for full fedex-class shipment unless it changed in the past few months again; reason being the mandate for DDP shipping.
Err, apparently private gifts up to 100$ are allowed. 16 EUR uninsured; 26.5 EUR insured, from Germany via DHL; delivery should be through USPS.
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## message-1496993536946737333
**2026-04-23T21:57:52.003+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496993536946737333`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
- User name: azonenberg
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yeah i would expect post office, if you shipped as commercial samples or gifts, since no money is changing hands, would be the cheapest option
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## message-1496993727602884689
**2026-04-23T21:58:37.459+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
- Message ID: `1496993727602884689`
- Author ID: `1447738536638943333`
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Huh I would just send it as a padded letter. If they're within dimensions they should not be more than 5€
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## message-1496993765603147777
**2026-04-23T21:58:46.519+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496993765603147777`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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yeah thats what I was assuming you would do
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## message-1496993783999631431
**2026-04-23T21:58:50.905+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496993783999631431`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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padded bubble mailer
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## message-1496993804467572798
**2026-04-23T21:58:55.785+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
- Message ID: `1496993804467572798`
- Author ID: `1447738536638943333`
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And they also would not need to be declared afaik
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## message-1496993812176699422
**2026-04-23T21:58:57.623+00:00 — azonenberg**
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not a box
```
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## message-1496994756188704869
**2026-04-23T22:02:42.693+00:00 — zyp (@vegard_e)**
- Message ID: `1496994756188704869`
- Author ID: `157944445168254976`
- Nickname: zyp
- User name: vegard_e
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1496994756188704869
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```text
probably needs a CN22 but doesn't need to say more than e.g. «gift, semiconductor sample» and some realistic sounding value
```
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## message-1496994915610001598
**2026-04-23T22:03:20.702+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496994915610001598`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
- User name: azonenberg
- Type: `Default`
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```text
yeah, decalre it as $4 or $7 or whatever the per die cost is
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## message-1496994984153583756
**2026-04-23T22:03:37.044+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496994984153583756`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
- User name: azonenberg
- Type: `Default`
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```text
that should easily fit under the gift limit
```
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## message-1496995001895485543
**2026-04-23T22:03:41.274+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1496995001895485543`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1496995001895485543
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Your country still allows goods in international letters?
```
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## message-1496995029787607262
**2026-04-23T22:03:47.924+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
- Message ID: `1496995029787607262`
- Author ID: `1447738536638943333`
- Nickname: Dory
- User name: dorythecat_v2
- Type: `Default`
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```text
Yeah lol
```
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## message-1496995052235395252
**2026-04-23T22:03:53.276+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
- Message ID: `1496995052235395252`
- Author ID: `1447738536638943333`
- Nickname: Dory
- User name: dorythecat_v2
- Type: `Default`
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```text
I used to ship stickers that way
```
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## message-1496995103905026088
**2026-04-23T22:04:05.595+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1496995103905026088`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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- Type: `Default`
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Germany ceased in like 2018 or so
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## message-1496995273530937416
**2026-04-23T22:04:46.037+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
- Message ID: `1496995273530937416`
- Author ID: `1447738536638943333`
- Nickname: Dory
- User name: dorythecat_v2
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1496995273530937416
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```text
As long as it's within parameters it counts as mail, and therefore there's no legal need to declare it or any way to have it inspected unless they feta you have ricin inside or similar biohazards/radioactive samples/flammable materials
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## message-1496995344670523493
**2026-04-23T22:05:02.998+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
- Message ID: `1496995344670523493`
- Author ID: `1447738536638943333`
- Nickname: Dory
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```text
If it's not in the illegal items list and it fits, a post stamp will get the job done
```
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## message-1496995400324874301
**2026-04-23T22:05:16.267+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1496995400324874301`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1496995400324874301
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```text
ehhhh that's not true for international
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## message-1496995446932111393
**2026-04-23T22:05:27.379+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1496995446932111393`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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```text
because you do need customs declaration if it's goods
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## message-1496995503420735560
**2026-04-23T22:05:40.847+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1496995503420735560`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1496995503420735560
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```text
(this may well be "gift", but it's still declaration)
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## message-1496995660560339015
**2026-04-23T22:06:18.312+00:00 — zyp (@vegard_e)**
- Message ID: `1496995660560339015`
- Author ID: `157944445168254976`
- Nickname: zyp
- User name: vegard_e
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-04-23T22:06:26.415+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1496995660560339015
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**Content**
```text
CN22 is the declaration sticker you can put on small padded envelopes
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## message-1496995703623385229
**2026-04-23T22:06:28.579+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1496995703623385229`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
- Type: `Default`
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```text
There are few exceptions to that outside of customs unions.
The issue outbound from Germany e.g. is that you can't send mere letters with customs declaration on them.
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## message-1496995973359206500
**2026-04-23T22:07:32.889+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1496995973359206500`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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```text
The packaging literally doesn't matter beyond that some thicker parcel classes (not the small 2kg class ones I'm referring to here) mandate hard boxes to ship without surcharge; the small class allows envelope class packaging.
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## message-1496996046633570438
**2026-04-23T22:07:50.359+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496996046633570438`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
- User name: azonenberg
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```text
In years past I have definitely sent ordinary postal envelopes from the US in envelopes with a customs form that covered almost the whole thing
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## message-1496996105261420785
**2026-04-23T22:08:04.337+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1496996105261420785`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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Oh you could in the past from Germany too
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## message-1496996114375643227
**2026-04-23T22:08:06.51+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496996114375643227`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
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- Type: `Default`
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```text
but it was allowed and not absurdly priced, single digit USD postage
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## message-1496996147565428747
**2026-04-23T22:08:14.423+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1496996147565428747`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
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i cant remember how recently i last did it
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## message-1496996447315562718
**2026-04-23T22:09:25.889+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1496996447315562718`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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They no longer allow that with just a 1.25 EUR (20g)/1.8 EUR (50g)/3.3 EUR (500g)/6.5 EUR (1000g) stamp value though.
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## message-1496996570493620234
**2026-04-23T22:09:55.257+00:00 — namibj**
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I don't know if the US has ceased outbound letters from having customs declarations
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## message-1496996698336133181
**2026-04-23T22:10:25.737+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Alright. Lemme know where to send it to and I’ll see about it tomorrow.
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## message-1496996767064002640
**2026-04-23T22:10:42.123+00:00 — azonenberg**
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yeah the only customs changes I *know* about in the US the last few years were inbound
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## message-1496996808063455372
**2026-04-23T22:10:51.898+00:00 — azonenberg**
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as i buy a lot more stuff from overseas than the other way around
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## message-1496996818054287390
**2026-04-23T22:10:54.28+00:00 — zyp (@vegard_e)**
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hmm, I think this is what we're all talking about, DHL is just charging more for it than other countries:
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## message-1496996830251061338
**2026-04-23T22:10:57.188+00:00 — namibj**
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also, azonenberg, it's REALLY difficult to get a return stamp from the US
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## message-1496996889193877626
**2026-04-23T22:11:11.241+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah that's the small parcel
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## message-1496996895472619722
**2026-04-23T22:11:12.738+00:00 — zyp (@vegard_e)**
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in norway, roughly the same dimensions costs me half of that
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## message-1496996923310346281
**2026-04-23T22:11:19.375+00:00 — azonenberg**
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If the shipment is that expensive it's probably better if the sample makes a one-way trip
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## message-1496996992088543333
**2026-04-23T22:11:35.773+00:00 — azonenberg**
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especially if these are from the early "roughly handled you don't want to use these for real" test batch
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## message-1496997173664026706
**2026-04-23T22:12:19.064+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah
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## message-1496997340899442738
**2026-04-23T22:12:58.936+00:00 — namibj**
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though the other direction would be whatever USPS charges, if they still allow letters it'd be best to paypal you that return postage because usps does not sell that to foreigners
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## message-1496997391180628038
**2026-04-23T22:13:10.924+00:00 — namibj**
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well, people in foreign
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## message-1497000225619841186
**2026-04-23T22:24:26.707+00:00 — namibj**
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that said, for microscoping it, you could argue it's a "document" given that personally taken pictures (not commercial prints of works with royalties) are also very much "documents".
Worst case they take the one chip and eat it.
Send registered mail mayhaps still under 10 EUR.
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## message-1497000497113075795
**2026-04-23T22:25:31.436+00:00 — zyp (@vegard_e)**
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«microfiche» 🙂
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## message-1497004108929040555
**2026-04-23T22:39:52.56+00:00 — namibj**
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well, yeah
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## message-1497015523244769350
**2026-04-23T23:25:13.945+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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FYI - I was planning to send you and a few other people a set of die with one or two samples from every project.
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## message-1497015725561221161
**2026-04-23T23:26:02.181+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh. I guess that solves that
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## message-1497015830284603552
**2026-04-23T23:26:27.149+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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That is part of the reason I want people to get back 1,000 parts even if they think they only need like 20. With that many you can thrown a few in an envelope and if it gets lost, who cares?
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## message-1497016048698916934
**2026-04-23T23:27:19.223+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm still catching up with all the activity from last night! Great to see everyone is getting chips and such.
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## message-1497016493123309598
**2026-04-23T23:29:05.182+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I would love someone to explore on-die photo diodes on GF180MCU. I don't think they are supported in any way by default but I'm sure people could find ways to make /something/ work.
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## message-1497016679115522150
**2026-04-23T23:29:49.526+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Great to hear! 😛
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## message-1497017138437816491
**2026-04-23T23:31:39.037+00:00 — namibj**
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well, how hard can it be 😄
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## message-1497017263490994298
**2026-04-23T23:32:08.852+00:00 — namibj**
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take the approach/tactics from sky130's photodiode pcell, port to gf180mcu?
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## message-1497018295457546341
**2026-04-23T23:36:14.892+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I can probably do some characterization if someone sends me a sample, i have a spectrometer i could measure various light sources against
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## message-1497018340345122926
**2026-04-23T23:36:25.594+00:00 — azonenberg**
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makes sense
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## message-1497018394254381186
**2026-04-23T23:36:38.447+00:00 — azonenberg**
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related: @Tim 'mithro' Ansell what percentage of the overall order cost is the mask set vs the wafer lot?
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## message-1497018490932953150
**2026-04-23T23:37:01.497+00:00 — azonenberg**
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like, hypothetically if someone wanted more dies after the first order and was OK with getting everyone else's projects manufactured in higher volume too
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## message-1497018545303851149
**2026-04-23T23:37:14.46+00:00 — azonenberg**
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how much would you save doing a second wafer lot on the same mask set
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## message-1497018684361801829
**2026-04-23T23:37:47.614+00:00 — namibj**
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a lot for Run1; less lot for Run2 😄
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**2026-04-23T23:40:28.053+00:00 — namibj**
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do you happen to have any understanding of their design? There's probably some friendly Run2 users with some spare space that could fit such structures.
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## message-1497026940383793194
**2026-04-24T00:10:36.003+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Don't know if this made it here -> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7443670533818204161/ -- Would love to see if someone could figure out how to simulate the patterns we see from things like gf180mcu silicon top layers....
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## message-1497027373399281704
**2026-04-24T00:12:19.242+00:00 — namibj**
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luxrender should probably be able to handle it, I guess.
Might struggle with lateral diffractive structures though, but those aren't as much of an issue on gf180 as with smaller ones.
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## message-1497029695131091024
**2026-04-24T00:21:32.786+00:00 — namibj**
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**2026-04-24T00:21:36.227+00:00 — namibj**
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- Edited: 2026-04-24T00:21:46.415+00:00
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(progress on MCML P-Cells is going decently; next step is (after sleep) sit down and figure out how I want the routing to be organized, and then go and set that up. This obviously isn't DRC-compliant.
There is no good reason why those resulting P-Cells shouldn't quite directly translate to gf180mcu, though.
Biggest issue is likely metal layer starvation with that process, though; higher routing density relative to transistor channels might offer opportunities to collapse two of the local routing layers I'll plan to use, though.
Without parasitics this buffer, well, two of this plus some P-MOS loads, simulated to 10.332 GHz @ 646 mV differential peak-peak (so 323 mV single-ended swing, well in excess of the required 200 mV for good action from downstream gates).
When I have routing finished I'll see about resuming the optimizer loop with parasitics extraction.)
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## message-1497045064361316432
**2026-04-24T01:22:37.096+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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About 60% to 80% is the mask cost.
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## message-1497070422246559786
**2026-04-24T03:03:22.887+00:00 — azonenberg**
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honeslty i'm surprised its not like 90% lol
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## message-1497070437312495616
**2026-04-24T03:03:26.479+00:00 — azonenberg**
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masks are expensive
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## message-1497070466542731387
**2026-04-24T03:03:33.448+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i guess not so much on 180
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## message-1497079985255747594
**2026-04-24T03:41:22.886+00:00 — azonenberg**
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from what i've heard especially on newer nodes when you order a mask set you practically get the first wafer lot free :p
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## message-1497080014745894913
**2026-04-24T03:41:29.917+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i mean you pay for it but the cost is negligible compared to the masks
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**2026-04-24T07:24:28.101+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@azonenberg - I'm buying 25 or 50 wafers
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## message-1497142788146462760
**2026-04-24T07:50:56.262+00:00 — azonenberg**
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yeah i was mostly just curious, i dont actually plan to mass produce anything on gf180mcu any time soon
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## message-1497142846636167268
**2026-04-24T07:51:10.207+00:00 — azonenberg**
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one batch would be plenty for all of my near term needs
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## message-1497199184200204500
**2026-04-24T11:35:02.129+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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G801CHES.
(It's a nightmare to take photos of these...)
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## message-1497253048467193918
**2026-04-24T15:09:04.371+00:00 — namibj**
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pol filter to cancel specular reflections of the cover tape?
"Take one out and stick it to a base that can be handled and have/provision a lid to close over it when not actively imaging"? E.g. say microscope slide and some 3d-printed lid, possibly based on another microscope slide if it should be see-through?
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## message-1497253141157122088
**2026-04-24T15:09:26.47+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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first I would need access to a microscope.
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## message-1497253240784425152
**2026-04-24T15:09:50.223+00:00 — namibj**
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Neither of those are microscope-required.
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**2026-04-24T15:21:01.281+00:00 — namibj**
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I'm assuming this is pending clearance (to be allowed to send these off to him) given by all your customers, at least those where the GDSII is not under a license that would allow you to do such anyways (e.g. TT's Apache2)?
Though it's probably easy for ya two to just pull some stock NDA template you'd have around and just ship under conditions of not doing anything with the chips that don't release clearance, at least if you don't want to have to wait with that shipment until all customers had reasonable time to opt-in to the siliconprawn.
OFC if it turns out there are no chips left that are expected to have siliconprawn-grade surface quality that you could "just" package up into a suitable tray or piece of the tape or so for shipping to him, then sure.
Maybe the die sorter control scripting is easy enough to be instructed to just make a tape of round-robin-picks with as many dies of each design as you'd want to allocate to this usage, from which you could later cut continuos strips of (integer multiples of) how-many-designs-there-are to have "sample sets"?
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## message-1497397118405443665
**2026-04-25T00:41:33.321+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Yeap! I mean one way to think about it is that I charge $7k USD per customer and I can have ~40 customers, so my costs must be under 40*$7k == $280k USD
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## message-1497398520729305108
**2026-04-25T00:47:07.661+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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platform.wafer.space lets you set if I'm allow to share your project publically with everyone.
As well, the license agreement when submitting your project generally gives wafer.space the right to use things created from your design (IE photos, the full wafer, etc) in marketing and other purposes.
If you want to keep your project super secret and have NDAs and such, then wafer.space isn't the right service for you.
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## message-1497398659933933628
**2026-04-25T00:47:40.85+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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See also https://github.com/wafer-space/ws-run1
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## message-1497398874585956403
**2026-04-25T00:48:32.027+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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And I also only provide free silicon to people who are sharing things under open source licenses.
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**2026-04-25T00:50:03.561+00:00 — namibj**
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ahh fair wasn't aware there's such broad license for marketing given to you; that should cover these things I think.
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## message-1497399537801629766
**2026-04-25T00:51:10.15+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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I've been running into a ton of DRC problems but I see there's been issues with DRC in the PDK. I cannot tell if I have real DRC issues or if they're not valid. I've been trying to search around and have seen discussions on this topic and a few issues on the buggy DRC.
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**2026-04-25T00:52:02.169+00:00 — namibj**
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(I do have good "news" to report though, in that it does seem kinda practical to vibe code custom PCells on top of gdsfactory.)
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## message-1497400208873754664
**2026-04-25T00:53:50.146+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Yeah, @Andrew Wingate machine is pretty flexible for doing things like that and he will continue to iterate on things before Run #2.
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## message-1497400663137587371
**2026-04-25T00:55:38.451+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@The Computer Guy - BTW There are currently a few pending new DRC rules that @Leo Moser (mole99) is working on right now.
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## message-1497400879282917379
**2026-04-25T00:56:29.984+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Great, I've been trying to get 0 DRC issues but it seems no matter what I do nothing works. Hopefully those new DRC rules fixes things.
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## message-1497400880356528178
**2026-04-25T00:56:30.24+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I ***believe*** that the GDSFactory team has been working pretty hard to get AI to work with their tooling as part of their proprietary "GDSFactory+" platform.
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## message-1497401035637915749
**2026-04-25T00:57:07.262+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I think these new DRC rules will give you more new DRC errors that you didn't see before.
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## message-1497401076842758245
**2026-04-25T00:57:17.086+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Oh...
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## message-1497401122061680864
**2026-04-25T00:57:27.867+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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So you should share the DRC issues you are seeing on discord and ask for help.
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## message-1497401275589857501
**2026-04-25T00:58:04.471+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Cool, I'll post something in #⁉️-questions here in a bit once I can commit.
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## message-1497401281768067122
**2026-04-25T00:58:05.944+00:00 — namibj**
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clearly not DRC-compliant yet, but "correct netlist and correct general geometry/layout-topology" (from where e.g. iteratively increasing DRC minimums from 0 to actual ones to gradually push out e.g. vias to be far enough apart from each other) is almost there (forgot to move an m1-m2 via when moving the rest of the via stack; somehow cut diffusion in the GDSII under the gates (should only happen by the actual gate itself during FEOL processing 😉 )..), so.... yeah.
Good chances thus for the MCML I'm hoping to get done by the ttsky26a deadline to be easily portable to WS Run2, with mostly scripted tuning to the quite different process, but somewhat manual adaption to the different stackup.
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## message-1497401366308589751
**2026-04-25T00:58:26.1+00:00 — namibj**
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so far only at higher levels at least as far as I've been told
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## message-1497401442116567172
**2026-04-25T00:58:44.174+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Also check out glayout by the FASoC and @Mehdi
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## message-1497401683934842920
**2026-04-25T00:59:41.828+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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I could have scripted magic Tcl but that seems like something neither I want to write nor feel like it gives functional results if vibe-coded, unlike this which gives decently sensible geometry with around 70~80% hit rate.
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## message-1497401728364970105
**2026-04-25T00:59:52.421+00:00 — Mehdi (@enited)**
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Look good. Is it manual layout?
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## message-1497401771633414144
**2026-04-25T01:00:02.737+00:00 — namibj**
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No fully vibe coded pcell
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## message-1497401799236259952
**2026-04-25T01:00:09.318+00:00 — namibj**
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(Like, Google Jules.)
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## message-1497401846371975198
**2026-04-25T01:00:20.556+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@namibj - I have an outdated presentation about their work at https://bit.ly/goog-analog and https://bit.ly/goog-nist - I wish @Mehdi was better at advertising his work to the community.
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## message-1497401947379073328
**2026-04-25T01:00:44.638+00:00 — namibj**
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bottom section of an MCML ring oscillator's differential delay cell
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## message-1497402038194147388
**2026-04-25T01:01:06.29+00:00 — namibj**
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hits like 10 GHz with decent amplitude befrore layout parasitics on sky130
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## message-1497402161188048976
**2026-04-25T01:01:35.614+00:00 — Mehdi (@enited)**
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- Nickname: Mehdi
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Cool! We have building a framework called glayout that builds libs of pcells, composite cells and blocks, in hierarchical way.
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## message-1497402367857922078
**2026-04-25T01:02:24.888+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Does it have enough flexibility/low-level to handle this kind of stuff?
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## message-1497402377198633106
**2026-04-25T01:02:27.115+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1497402377198633106`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@namibj - I would say that OpenFASoC's approach is to build "auxiliary cells" which fit into the digital place and route flow (despite being analog designs). Which makes it very easy to do like 100s of different variants.
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## message-1497402461462204577
**2026-04-25T01:02:47.205+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1497402509982171247
**2026-04-25T01:02:58.773+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1497402509982171247`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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the other parallel vibe coded branch/attempt
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## message-1497402551950250105
**2026-04-25T01:03:08.779+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Mehdi - Do you have a more recent presentation you could share here?
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## message-1497402706342580384
**2026-04-25T01:03:45.589+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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I mean these are technically digital cells.... just not CMOS logic, but rather MCML.
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## message-1497402758297419857
**2026-04-25T01:03:57.976+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Mehdi - My presentations are from like 2022 and you have done a huge amount of work since then.
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## message-1497402785073856623
**2026-04-25T01:04:04.36+00:00 — Mehdi (@enited)**
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- Author ID: `476871702106603546`
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Yes, I am on my phone right now. But I can share one soon
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## message-1497402872646733866
**2026-04-25T01:04:25.239+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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don't worry about "right now", I'm not gonna get to it before I'm done sleeping.
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## message-1497402886181879898
**2026-04-25T01:04:28.466+00:00 — Mehdi (@enited)**
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Yes, that helps.
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## message-1497403011188785334
**2026-04-25T01:04:58.27+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@namibj - The coolest thing about OpenFASoC approach is that by making it progrmatic they have taped out the same solution on old process nodes like GF180MCU/SKY130 and more modern stuff lke GF12LP/Intel 16 with very little effort.
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## message-1497403056050933771
**2026-04-25T01:05:08.966+00:00 — namibj**
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I sorta "just" have to make enough cell library to get a PoC done in 2 weeks 😄
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## message-1497403235965734962
**2026-04-25T01:05:51.861+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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All with open source tools!
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## message-1497403386562347150
**2026-04-25T01:06:27.766+00:00 — namibj**
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Well this is not possibly gonna be the same-ish on gf180mcu; the concepts stay but the cell layout is going to change substantially from the sky130 example to gf180mcu; 45nm; fin-fet
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## message-1497403439142011010
**2026-04-25T01:06:40.302+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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https://github.com/idea-fasoc/openfasoc-tapeouts
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## message-1497403447425896458
**2026-04-25T01:06:42.277+00:00 — Mehdi (@enited)**
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@LuighiV can you provide more help on glayout if needed.
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## message-1497403532771463299
**2026-04-25T01:07:02.625+00:00 — namibj**
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no idea about past-fin-fet/EUV territory, things get weird there.
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## message-1497403762200023093
**2026-04-25T01:07:57.325+00:00 — Mehdi (@enited)**
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A few papers:
View article https://share.google/VupFnwveCtD8YzFdi
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## message-1497404015233732721
**2026-04-25T01:08:57.653+00:00 — Mehdi (@enited)**
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Reinforcement Learning-Enhanced Cloud-Based Open Source Analog Circuit Generator for Standard and Cryogenic Temperatures in 130-nm and 180-nm OpenPDKs | Proceedings of the 43rd IEEE/ACM International Conference on Computer-Aided Design https://share.google/Ws4S9nqpX29eiGCm0
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## message-1497404029871984700
**2026-04-25T01:09:01.143+00:00 — LuighiV (@luighiv)**
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Sure I can help 🙌
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## message-1497404242925981881
**2026-04-25T01:09:51.939+00:00 — namibj**
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5v6 is finalizing; the auto code review has confirmed it to have fixed the glaring LVS/extraction breaking fails of [the linked is 5v5]
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## message-1497404801233850429
**2026-04-25T01:12:05.05+00:00 — namibj**
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5v6
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## message-1497404900244459690
**2026-04-25T01:12:28.656+00:00 — namibj**
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if you're curious?
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## message-1497405548377804860
**2026-04-25T01:15:03.183+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1497405548377804860`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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some DRC from those vias there in the center being way too close, and the poly corners underneath not being "fat", but otherwise....
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## message-1497406883789668494
**2026-04-25T01:20:21.57+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah, the DRC `poly.2` about min spacing was fixable by just adding a few poly boxes; the otheres are basically via pushing though, I don't do that by hand.
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## message-1497414444844716164
**2026-04-25T01:50:24.266+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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The biggest hurdle I can see from an optimization perspective is a differentiable DRC engine - where appropriate. I've been looking into training a DRC surrogate for the time being
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## message-1497420081645359236
**2026-04-25T02:12:48.184+00:00 — namibj**
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DRC can't be that hard to run...
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## message-1497420214147747880
**2026-04-25T02:13:19.775+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1497420214147747880`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Like, as in, writing a plain DRC engine.
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## message-1497420758899757056
**2026-04-25T02:15:29.654+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Just swap comparisons for ReLU and add up.
Write in a language with auto diff.
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## message-1497420770979217449
**2026-04-25T02:15:32.534+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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It would be easier if DRC rules came from the foundry with better descriptions and examples and unit tests
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## message-1497420810170929327
**2026-04-25T02:15:41.878+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh sure.
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## message-1497421226526642238
**2026-04-25T02:17:21.145+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm 100% sure that there are plenty of wrong assumptions and (software tooling) implementation specific details in all foundries current DRC decks
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## message-1497421523739480105
**2026-04-25T02:18:32.006+00:00 — namibj**
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Actually yeah I feel it's possible an existing DRC engine could just be transcribed to a language with auto diff support and the ReLU swap done.
Gradients won't be the nicest, but what else other than comparisons that aggregate to a go/no-go Boolean do they do anyways....
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## message-1497421580651860149
**2026-04-25T02:18:45.575+00:00 — namibj**
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- Nickname: namibj
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Yeah 🙁
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## message-1497421973310013460
**2026-04-25T02:20:19.192+00:00 — namibj**
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(this effort is for after the sky26a deadline)
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## message-1497422803299733574
**2026-04-25T02:23:37.077+00:00 — namibj**
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Actually the optimization efforts I've been doing are not differential, they're line-search; it's hard to measure oscillator performance in spice in a way that's differentiable 🙁
There definitely is optimization work that differentiates through spice though.
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## message-1497424750744571944
**2026-04-25T02:31:21.384+00:00 — namibj**
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(I hope to maybe get a full MCML standard library into ttsky26b; probably not gonna make it in time for WS Run 2 but some testing cells should be ready in time for that.)
They are of particular interest for their combination of speed and low PDN ripple. Density is not effectively comparable for a while; likely around 20~60% though vs. regular high speed CMOS logic cells.)
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## message-1497441633611026463
**2026-04-25T03:38:26.573+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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Is the DRC using KLayout supposed to take a few hours?
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## message-1497441722953764974
**2026-04-25T03:38:47.874+00:00 — The Computer Guy (@thecomputerguy)**
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`nix ps` shows the klayout command has been running for 9017.5s
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## message-1497470478787547136
**2026-04-25T05:33:03.799+00:00 — Thomas Pluck 2.1 (@tpluck_)**
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Hey. Honestly whatever you're seeing via AI on electrical PDKs appears to be entirely emergent from just injesting a lot of Python and chip design lingo - we also have an embedded agent in GF+ which is even better at this, but the capabilities are just they like Python and we finally cleaned up the cells, lol.
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## message-1497474715860598835
**2026-04-25T05:49:53.996+00:00 — Thomas Pluck 2.1 (@tpluck_)**
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## message-1497474799658729482
**2026-04-25T05:50:13.975+00:00 — Thomas Pluck 2.1 (@tpluck_)**
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## message-1497478838714896515
**2026-04-25T06:06:16.961+00:00 — Thomas Pluck 2.1 (@tpluck_)**
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Things like differentiable DRC are on the cards for GDSFactory+ as a part of our differentiable everything initiative - I just paid Nitro for this lol
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## message-1497511249611849842
**2026-04-25T08:15:04.321+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1497517622919696516
**2026-04-25T08:40:23.836+00:00 — ml_sudo**
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Hi!
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## message-1497524504996347984
**2026-04-25T09:07:44.651+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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I don't think I've seen these posted.
Pictures from @Tim 'mithro' Ansell and @stuart in Shenzhen with some if the first COB
They are beautiful!!
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## message-1497529453591658547
**2026-04-25T09:27:24.488+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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It's becoming a cliché but I had to try.
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## message-1497585395112612022
**2026-04-25T13:09:41.986+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Do standard cell PnR ever feel like mirroring cells for more favourable routing?
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## message-1497590587707228161
**2026-04-25T13:30:19.997+00:00 — namibj**
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here I say that yet I've just let the agent run loose on the klayout codebase to write planning documentation for such refactoring 😄
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## message-1497599831990861855
**2026-04-25T14:07:04.006+00:00 — namibj**
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ok some rules are gonna be easy to differentiable DRC; some like e.g. sky130a's `via.5a`: `via.5a : min. m1 enclosure of 0.15um via of 2 adjacent edges : 0.085um` aren't as easy because e.g. that one seems to only blame the via's perimeter for that rule violation, despite it actually being the surrounding geometry on m1 that is too close. Sure, if the via wasn't minimum size it could be shrunk and if m1 would suffice then it would then resolve.
But yeah, needs better attribution of blame to the actual vertices that are too close.
@Leo Moser (mole99) your/ @Clyde Laforge 's work on the KLayout DRC refactor, does that touch the concept of attributing DRC violations to ALL the responsible source vertices, or is it orthogonal to introduction of such a concept?
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## message-1497608388706701442
**2026-04-25T14:41:04.086+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1497609200732340468
**2026-04-25T14:44:17.688+00:00 — namibj**
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Won't work effectively for e.g. `via.5a` with KLayout though as that just blames the edges of the via not mentioning the metal to put/extend there.
Does work for e.g. `m2.2 : min. m2 spacing : 0.14um` though, at least the ones that are min-distance-between-`EdgePair`'s.
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## message-1497611673627001004
**2026-04-25T14:54:07.272+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1497651568982495232
**2026-04-25T17:32:39.066+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Yes I’m pretty sure the librelane flow does this - there’s a log about mirrored cells from the resizer iirc
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## message-1497695875617652757
**2026-04-25T20:28:42.591+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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Initial photo dump from my BTAP chip!
We have a nice keyence at work, but apparently no one bought the polarizer for it 🤦♂️ Should be able to get some nicer stitches once we get one. Ditto to a polarizer that fits my macro camera lens. Hoping to do some de-layering but not holding my breath that I'll get usable results from that
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## message-1497696104160952370
**2026-04-25T20:29:37.08+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1497696104160952370`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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echo'ing everyone else: huge thanks to the wafer.space team! Such a cool feeling to hold chips that you've designed, really appreciate all of the team's hard work to make this possible!
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## message-1497700521861976255
**2026-04-25T20:47:10.342+00:00 — namibj**
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What's that golden dot pattern on the top left of the last one (the central close-up one)?
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## message-1497700698572193802
**2026-04-25T20:47:52.473+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1497700698572193802`
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slightly out of focus dummy metal fill pattern. just the stuff that get's added to satisfy the DRC metal density rules
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## message-1497700699746603051
**2026-04-25T20:47:52.753+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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I guess top metal but can't understand why.
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## message-1497700780281434152
**2026-04-25T20:48:11.954+00:00 — namibj**
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Ohh fill that explains sure.
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## message-1497701000059027569
**2026-04-25T20:49:04.353+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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it really obscures details elsewhere 🙁 hopefully a light lapping of the top layer will remove all the fill and help show more details
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## message-1497702809251090453
**2026-04-25T20:56:15.698+00:00 — namibj**
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- Edited: 2026-04-25T20:57:25.401+00:00
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I'd expect it to fairly easily come off on a nice flat grinding surface as e.g. used by over lockers in "die lapping" (post-packaging diy back grinding for improving thermals).
You probably have some of the equipment options those people recommend.
I think it's just float glass plus extremely fine sandpaper or dispersion-bound lapping powder/paste (c.f. optical polishing of telescope mirrors with pitch on a negative to embed the grit in).
If the surface is flat you just have to balance pressure on the die along two axis to get only rid of top metal but not lower metal across the whole chip.
[Edit: I initially read it as "light tapping" and was a bit confused about your plan... I only read "lapping" after hitting send.]
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## message-1497704331460477090
**2026-04-25T21:02:18.621+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Me and my two artists have been hyperanalyzing all the die shots people have been sending to try and elevate silicon art to the next level
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## message-1497705953959612446
**2026-04-25T21:08:45.455+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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hehe light tap breaking 😄
We have a surface plate at work that generally gets abused for sanding/lapping so I'm thinking to grab that + some fine diamond paper? Trying to figure out the best way to fixture it to prevent rounding/tilt though. I dont have a tripod fixture, although I guess I could DIY without much hassle? Maybe just glue 3-4 chips onto a flat piece of metal and hope it's fairly planar across all of them
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## message-1497706257904304169
**2026-04-25T21:09:57.921+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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I've been scrolling through the siliconprawn discord IC photos, really impressed with what some of those folks can do! amazing microscope shots
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## message-1497706561433505857
**2026-04-25T21:11:10.288+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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We believe that silicon art can be more than just shapes in a single metal layer
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## message-1497706812282245200
**2026-04-25T21:12:10.095+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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May even go as far as abusing quantum effects since we can manufacture structures smaller than wavelengths of visible light
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## message-1497707672231870585
**2026-04-25T21:15:35.123+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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ah yeah, could definitely engineer the features to give you diffraction patterns that you want, rather than randomly. real structural color stuff
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**2026-04-25T21:15:40.776+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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cool idea!
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**2026-04-25T21:16:14.253+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1497707874099527954
**2026-04-25T21:16:23.252+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Look at that green glow in-between the metal5 stripes here
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## message-1497707906932539503
**2026-04-25T21:16:31.08+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I wonder what the significance of that is
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## message-1497707927882956930
**2026-04-25T21:16:36.075+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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What is the spacing between them?
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## message-1497708183362207804
**2026-04-25T21:17:36.986+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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lemme pop it into imagej, one s. i think that might just be out-of-focus aberration blur in this case, the stitching auto-focuser algorithm was preferring to focus on the middle layers it seems
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## message-1497709005592596673
**2026-04-25T21:20:53.021+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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1.37um ish
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## message-1497709157657083994
**2026-04-25T21:21:29.276+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Is this just the horizontal stripes of the default top-level power grid?
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**2026-04-25T21:22:39.989+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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**2026-04-25T21:23:03.711+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Because then, it should be closer to 1µm
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## message-1497709805492768848
**2026-04-25T21:24:03.732+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Which I would like to note is twice the wavelength of green light
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## message-1497710071910498444
**2026-04-25T21:25:07.251+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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yeah it's just the power stripes. from this region
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## message-1497710299384647933
**2026-04-25T21:26:01.485+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Btw, what is the difference between the photos where its all colorful and the ones where its just shades of orange?
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## message-1497710558315806751
**2026-04-25T21:27:03.219+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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the orange is coaxial light, and the colorful one was something closer to ring lighting + some DIY polarizer (which didn't work particularly well)
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## message-1497710808258580481
**2026-04-25T21:28:02.81+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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off-center lighting definitely helps make more colors pop, i assume from the thin film interferences of different layers
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## message-1497711902778720448
**2026-04-25T21:32:23.764+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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my evening yesterday, trying to find a good combo of lighting and settings 😂
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## message-1497743757054050387
**2026-04-25T23:38:58.415+00:00 — namibj**
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You're not gonna round against a flat reference if you put any proper attempt into flattening the motion-force vector to be more in-plane than plane-normal, say by sticking the chip to something as simple as a microscope slide with a dab of not-too-shear-strong (so you can shear it off later to release) glue. I'd try fairly shitty superglue for that, I'd expect to be able to release that if necessary, but you probably have a better idea.
The thought is to inspect the progress and adjust tilt-bias (e.g. by shifting where exactly into the chip's backing plate you introduce the friction-generating "force") as necessary.
I'd just try on one by hand tbh... the skills/nuances should be fairly close to achieving a good straight bevel or even more, a straight-and-flat back, on a "simple" wood chisel.
This is top metal, not some low thin layers, the flatness we target is on the order of several lambda... and pretty sure it's not _that_ hard to hand-lap a parallel plate glass disc to sub-lambda flatness if you have a good flat reference to just copy the surface curvature from.
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## message-1497745284812505089
**2026-04-25T23:45:02.661+00:00 — namibj**
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pretty sure for proper polarizer explotation of the "specular reflections maintain polarization, if the light source is polarized you can filter the reflections out if you adjust the angles correctly" that photographers use outdoors with sunlight against e.g. water surfaces and glass panes would want the light source to also be polarized and the polarizer angle between the source and the scope to be adjusted for the illumination angle? Might need collimated illumination to work well, I haven't gotten back to the local microscope to test that theory out on actual hardware (with 3D goggles and a collimated flashlight, and a hand-held (if it doesn't by chance screw in) DSLR polarizer on the soldering microscope).
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## message-1497753298956976198
**2026-04-26T00:16:53.382+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Excited to see that! Any thoughts on if you could simulate the behaviour with things like that optical simulation / ray tracing tooling?
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## message-1497753551324188832
**2026-04-26T00:17:53.551+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Maybe? Ray tracing has the best chances of actually simulating the effects of different light angles accurately.
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## message-1497754341044388020
**2026-04-26T00:21:01.835+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1497755701014040676
**2026-04-26T00:26:26.077+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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What would be cool is if we had control over layer thicknesses in gf180. I actually know someone who produced the old rainbow apple logo on a silicon die in all its colorful glory by manipulating etching depths. But they needed a lab and DIYing the process to do it.
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## message-1497759415829270709
**2026-04-26T00:41:11.758+00:00 — needsadrink\|woke (@needsadrink)**
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Please don't break our fabs though 😆 us process engineers get cranky when we have to go to quality meetings because of these sorts of things lol... your best bet is probably to abuse the oxide nonuniformity caused by pattern density during CMP, but unpredictable is categorizing the result lightly 🫠 . What you're likely seeing in that 1.37um gap between lines is thicker oxide than the field due to local polish rate difference
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## message-1497759577138004138
**2026-04-26T00:41:50.217+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1497759577138004138`
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I was just searching for the open source litho simulation and came across https://github.com/TorchOPC/TorchLitho - "Differentiable Computational Lithogrpahy Framework"
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## message-1497759705525915738
**2026-04-26T00:42:20.827+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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You don't have to worry, this stuff is going to GF 😉
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## message-1497759916105138286
**2026-04-26T00:43:11.033+00:00 — needsadrink\|woke (@needsadrink)**
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I have eng peeps who work there haha, thinking of their mental health too 😁
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## message-1497761783145037914
**2026-04-26T00:50:36.17+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Randomly ended up at https://ai4eda.github.io/
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## message-1497763334844579920
**2026-04-26T00:56:46.124+00:00 — namibj**
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computational litho is for OPC or rather, calculating the structures from the masks, not simulating how things look under a microscope?
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## message-1497767036267532388
**2026-04-26T01:11:28.612+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@namibj - Yes, but there were people talking about litho simulation in https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1495683592762953758 and other people here talking about Differentiable Computation stuff
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## message-1497772977951871128
**2026-04-26T01:35:05.22+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Anyway, off to the airport again!
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## message-1497774302727110737
**2026-04-26T01:40:21.071+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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If it passes DRC it shouldnt break the fab, right?
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## message-1497779634689802362
**2026-04-26T02:01:32.31+00:00 — needsadrink\|woke (@needsadrink)**
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- Author ID: `239186650167508993`
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hopefully not! lol
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## message-1497790777391321280
**2026-04-26T02:45:48.937+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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I am so enthused watching all of this. Need to get the Great 2026 Compiler Project to a point where I'm happy with the overall progress so I can investigate possible projects for future wafer.space runs.
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## message-1497791130144608309
**2026-04-26T02:47:13.04+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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watching hobby/indie ASIC development starting to approach the kind of accessibility that hobby PCB production did in the early 2000s has me very excited
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## message-1497794755734802594
**2026-04-26T03:01:37.448+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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That is exactly what I'm hoping to make happen!
The first PCB I did was a "call us for a quote" and the only reason I got an answer was that my University had big orders with them and they owed my supervisor a favour or two.
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## message-1497795020495782019
**2026-04-26T03:02:40.572+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1497795020495782019`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
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In theory, practice and theory are the same, in practice they are not 🙂
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## message-1497795436977586266
**2026-04-26T03:04:19.869+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1497795436977586266`
- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
- Nickname: Christopher
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Perhaps what I really meant to ask was "If it passes DRC, are you contractually protected if something at the fab breaks" 😂
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## message-1497795515784626177
**2026-04-26T03:04:38.658+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1497795515784626177`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
- Nickname: Brian Swetland
- User name: dnaltews
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- Edited: 2026-04-26T03:06:49.23+00:00
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yeah... compare with projects I've done in the last couple years, where it's a few tens of dollars to get 5-10 boards in 3-4 *days*. Just mind blowing.
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## message-1497795654741921852
**2026-04-26T03:05:11.788+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1497795654741921852`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
- Type: `Default`
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along with "it's their fault for the DRC not being rigurous enough to cover their manufacturing line's requirements for process control"
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## message-1497795729530425446
**2026-04-26T03:05:29.619+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1497795729530425446`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
- Nickname: Brian Swetland
- User name: dnaltews
- Type: `Default`
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this kind of stuff makes me feel optimistic for the future, which is impressive considering how completely fucked bigtech appears to be at the moment (and working to destroy itself at a crazy pace)
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## message-1497795882681237566
**2026-04-26T03:06:06.133+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1497795882681237566`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1497795882681237566
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sadly pretty much the same still for HDI.
They haven't figured out how to do blind/buried vias without paying human engineers several hours of labor 🙁
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## message-1497796088927752192
**2026-04-26T03:06:55.306+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1497796088927752192`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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I remember how much of a difference just OHSPark doing runs every few weeks even with it taking like ~8 weeks for stuff to turn up in Australia was.
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## message-1497796280787800125
**2026-04-26T03:07:41.049+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1497796280787800125`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
- Nickname: Brian Swetland
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yeah 2 week spins from OSHPark (west coast US was Easy Mode for that) was still absolutely revolutionary at the time
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## message-1497796373729513592
**2026-04-26T03:08:03.208+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1497796373729513592`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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That's a subset of the "DRC are there so you can be confident netlist extraction/device recognition output will correspond to system behavior", but these latter more stringent rules are far more flexible, mostly just affecting yield of the specific structures that are in violating without a blast radius as large as antenna violations.
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## message-1497796473897881672
**2026-04-26T03:08:27.09+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Dunno, I'm pretty sure if you mess up their machines frequently despite DRC passing they would just start refusing all your orders.
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## message-1497796536942202961
**2026-04-26T03:08:42.121+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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I would too
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## message-1497796665514393731
**2026-04-26T03:09:12.775+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
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there are actual equipment-damaging failure modes possible?
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## message-1497796810956210228
**2026-04-26T03:09:47.451+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1497796810956210228`
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I'd expect them to charge me for them to write DRC rules that actually hold on grounds of me being the first one daring enough to feed DRC-exploit-laden GDSII in high enough quantity.
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## message-1497796994163408957
**2026-04-26T03:10:31.131+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1497796994163408957`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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No idea. I know that metal lifting off and floating around can be bad... But unclear if that hurts machines or all just your wafers...
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## message-1497797326964789338
**2026-04-26T03:11:50.477+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1497797326964789338`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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And it's not really like we can introduce exotic contaminants with GDS file 😛
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## message-1497797327123910857
**2026-04-26T03:11:50.515+00:00 — namibj**
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antenna violation AFAIK risks blasting chunks into the sputtering chamber and contaminating the walls; needs cleaning of the machine that is vaguely similar to like a high school classroom getting puked in: not normally needed, kinda can't be ignored without problems, technically things could progress but there will be issues downstream, and the cleaning is _intense._ No lasting damage to the building/facility though.
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## message-1497797395667353825
**2026-04-26T03:12:06.857+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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I can definitely imagine failures that could damage the overall wafer and DRC to avoid that being especially important for shared shuttle runs and the like, but was unsure if it could be worse than that
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## message-1497797566945820772
**2026-04-26T03:12:47.693+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@needsadrink|woke - I think you just found a new analogy to use 😛
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## message-1497797595706167306
**2026-04-26T03:12:54.55+00:00 — namibj**
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I don't know how often antenna violations cause that failure mode vs. just frying a couple gates into being very leaky
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## message-1497797804586696794
**2026-04-26T03:13:44.351+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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not surprising though that these very expensive manufacturing processes have very conservative pre-run checks
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## message-1497798302660563067
**2026-04-26T03:15:43.101+00:00 — namibj**
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and well ofc density violations mess with CMP flatness and will cause fairly predictable/expected iiuc litho failures downstream from I assume out-of-focus/DoF effects?
@needsadrink|woke can you share what exactly is the problem from CMP being done on uneven density, because I doubt it's the CMP itself breaking, but rather that subsequent processing takes issue with the surface flatness (lack thereof) from CMP being done on uneven density?
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## message-1497798550690598976
**2026-04-26T03:16:42.236+00:00 — needsadrink\|woke (@needsadrink)**
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well yeah its rarely a single point of failure, nonuniformities will always cause 2nd, 3rd order etc effects
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## message-1497798562015350925
**2026-04-26T03:16:44.936+00:00 — namibj**
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afaik there are negligible machine risks to DRC-illegally-narrow transistors on planar technologies (like >=45nm standard CMOS processes)
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## message-1497798881939947692
**2026-04-26T03:18:01.212+00:00 — namibj**
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They're just gonna get increasingly varied transimpedance, to the point where it becomes essentially unusable.
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## message-1497799203902980116
**2026-04-26T03:19:17.974+00:00 — needsadrink\|woke (@needsadrink)**
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its hard to know what has the possibility of breaking without having the process flow spec to look at
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## message-1497799451211726929
**2026-04-26T03:20:16.937+00:00 — namibj**
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fair.
I assume those documents are NDA even for these "open" PDKs, though?
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## message-1497799514525007982
**2026-04-26T03:20:32.032+00:00 — needsadrink\|woke (@needsadrink)**
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yeah, they are the secret sauce usually
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## message-1497799573245001789
**2026-04-26T03:20:46.032+00:00 — namibj**
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figures.
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## message-1497799630551908383
**2026-04-26T03:20:59.695+00:00 — needsadrink\|woke (@needsadrink)**
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especially in full objective spec form haha... kept in safes, etc
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## message-1497799693604884603
**2026-04-26T03:21:14.728+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah 😄
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## message-1497799747497496686
**2026-04-26T03:21:27.577+00:00 — namibj**
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fab is just a cleanroom full of process control
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## message-1497799974526783558
**2026-04-26T03:22:21.705+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1497799974526783558`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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(and wired+plumbed up machines, but that seems to mostly not be the big cost factor overall just to "plug them in", relative to the rest)
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## message-1497800484990226602
**2026-04-26T03:24:23.409+00:00 — needsadrink\|woke (@needsadrink)**
- Message ID: `1497800484990226602`
- Author ID: `239186650167508993`
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yep its a nonstop futile exercise in keeping entropy at bay lol
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## message-1497801297334894823
**2026-04-26T03:27:37.087+00:00 — needsadrink\|woke (@needsadrink)**
- Message ID: `1497801297334894823`
- Author ID: `239186650167508993`
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```text
stumbled across a linkedin post about the concept a while ago
```
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## message-1497802052292710552
**2026-04-26T03:30:37.083+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1497802052292710552`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
- Nickname: Brian Swetland
- User name: dnaltews
- Type: `Default`
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that's not terribly surprising. there's an awful lot of "it's amazing anything *ever* works at all" in various places across a number of industries ^^
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## message-1497802052997349516
**2026-04-26T03:30:37.251+00:00 — needsadrink\|woke (@needsadrink)**
- Message ID: `1497802052997349516`
- Author ID: `239186650167508993`
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"constant rescue" is just the perfect way to put it. every morning is just an exercise in keeping calm as you read about the various disasters that hav transpired since you clocked out 😆
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## message-1497802773842890902
**2026-04-26T03:33:29.114+00:00 — namibj**
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aren't they mostly pre-disasters on grounds of not yet having hit any severe yield impact, but are about to do so?
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## message-1497803672984228053
**2026-04-26T03:37:03.486+00:00 — needsadrink\|woke (@needsadrink)**
- Message ID: `1497803672984228053`
- Author ID: `239186650167508993`
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hopefully! 😁 not always haha
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## message-1497806429556441158
**2026-04-26T03:48:00.704+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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sure.
Anyways, I shouldn't chat too much about this while there's a 15 day deadline active.
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## message-1497894736764338286
**2026-04-26T09:38:54.783+00:00 — Chips4Makers aka Staf Verhaegen (@chips4makers)**
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I actually didn't hear about the former failure mode @imec; only heard about antenna just as reliability problem mainly related to CMP (chemical-mechanical polishing).
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## message-1497896839003897938
**2026-04-26T09:47:15.996+00:00 — Chips4Makers aka Staf Verhaegen (@chips4makers)**
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- Author ID: `728516105680846892`
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Also haven't heard about machines being damaged bue to design problems; e.g. nothing that a good clean could solve.
BTW, cleaning equipment was kind of standard procedure in the research fab @imec. For example there where tools that needed to get a clean each time they went from Cu-contaminated state to non-Cu-contaminated.
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## message-1497947609355255829
**2026-04-26T13:09:00.591+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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well yeah, but AFAIK a gf180mcu fab isn't a "research fab", but a "high throughput low cost" fab, and those expect to run their equipment with minimal disruptive maintenance until they need to disrupt it to prevent meaningful impact on yield, or if the maintenance is easy and good preventative maintenance.
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## message-1497984194725544167
**2026-04-26T15:34:23.223+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1497984194725544167`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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i imagine being 30yrs old helps too. everything is probably bigger and more robust and less fancy if I had to guess
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## message-1498002246837862572
**2026-04-26T16:46:07.182+00:00 — needsadrink\|woke (@needsadrink)**
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- Author ID: `239186650167508993`
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fault detection does go a long way to prevent completely catastrophic events for sure, but you can still get outages due to things like arcing in sputter chambers if your clear area is too high etc, or yeah liek you mentioned, materials contamination in production chambers, never fun because its never caught immediately and tends to put hundreds or thousands of wafers on ice for a review board to convene to disposition
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## message-1498002793380712578
**2026-04-26T16:48:17.488+00:00 — needsadrink\|woke (@needsadrink)**
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usually its "fine" but if youre manufacturing stuff that has to conform to IATF 16949 or the like, you may end up being forced to downgrade a bunch of wafers
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## message-1498314079310450768
**2026-04-27T13:25:13.837+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Are there already (conditional) plans for a Run3?
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## message-1498344445676884090
**2026-04-27T15:25:53.743+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
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As far as I understand it, run 3 is pretty much locked in. Many of the changes we are hoping to implement from what we learned in run 1 will be implemented in run 3 to give the maximum amount of time for those to know a) what changes there are, and b) have enough time to make those changes.
As far as the timeline goes, it depends on people being interested and purchasing slots, the more slots, the faster we make runs.
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## message-1498345196381798660
**2026-04-27T15:28:52.725+00:00 — namibj**
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Any estimates regarding the deadline/heads-up that Run3 would likely spawn with?
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## message-1498348342579691650
**2026-04-27T15:41:22.837+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2026-04-27T15:41:48.445+00:00
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Not exactly. I can say that we expect to obtain the finished wafers *[for run2]* in Oct. and ship them as soon as we can after that.
Run 3 timeline would me imminent around then.
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## message-1498372236887855135
**2026-04-27T17:16:19.684+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1498372236887855135`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2026-04-27T17:16:43.169+00:00
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The CoB have arrived 🎉 Now I just need some PCBs, bad timing...
https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1496850151950520443/1498370675914703032
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## message-1498555495751880767
**2026-04-28T05:24:32.002+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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Why bad timing?
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## message-1498556045927125132
**2026-04-28T05:26:43.174+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1498570353826332772
**2026-04-28T06:23:34.443+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1498570353826332772`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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If people have photos or other media they are willing to share about run #1 - could you add them to this Google Photos Album? https://photos.app.goo.gl/2vo4baXmki3fGFdb7
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## message-1498572248481796116
**2026-04-28T06:31:06.164+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Bad timing on my part, I don't have any PCBs to test the chips yet ^^
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## message-1498579288343969814
**2026-04-28T06:59:04.598+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I was pondering if it was more of a "this is going to distract me from the bunch of DRC rules I need to be working on" 🙂
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## message-1498744321476919316
**2026-04-28T17:54:51.563+00:00 — Simi (@simi150500)**
- Message ID: `1498744321476919316`
- Author ID: `210834917125390336`
- Nickname: Simi
- User name: simi150500
- Type: `Default`
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The CoB wire-bonded dies arrived at JKU today. They look awesome! 🙌
Unfortunately the DIP adapter board is still in production. Hopefully I can post bring-up results soon. 🙂
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## message-1498774532876533800
**2026-04-28T19:54:54.522+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1498774532876533800`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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Tomorrow, I get the parts I need for my bring-up, on monday, I get the PCBs
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## message-1499138615899455742
**2026-04-29T20:01:38.679+00:00 — stuart (@saladchap)**
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- Author ID: `1184268085822238821`
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Amazing photos!
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## message-1499144707350069361
**2026-04-29T20:25:50.994+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1499144707350069361`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-04-29T20:26:09.66+00:00
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Hi, does anyone have a PCB GitHub repo where I can check the connector again?
I think I messed it up and want to compare it with a working reference.
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## message-1499144917619048569
**2026-04-29T20:26:41.126+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Wie macht man so gute Fotos?
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## message-1499152114977345630
**2026-04-29T20:55:17.11+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1499152114977345630`
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Fettes Makro-Objektiv oder optisch gutes sauberes Mikroskop. Und gute Beleuchtung.
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## message-1499152961572700251
**2026-04-29T20:58:38.954+00:00 — Simi (@simi150500)**
- Message ID: `1499152961572700251`
- Author ID: `210834917125390336`
- Nickname: Simi
- User name: simi150500
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-04-29T20:59:22.53+00:00
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Cheap digital Microscope (Andonstar AD407) for around 100€ and a mobile phone camera. Try to get a good light. Honestly, I post-processed the pictures with ChatGPT. For the right picture, this worked incredibly well. For the left picture, it also worked fine. However, if you look closely, some bond wires look strange. This is due to the fact that in the original picture, the bond wires were sometimes not visible at all. 😅
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## message-1499153613459558441
**2026-04-29T21:01:14.376+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1499153613459558441`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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errrrm please don't pass off AI images as photos
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## message-1499154095393607781
**2026-04-29T21:03:09.278+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I like the right picture best.
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## message-1499331971120107580
**2026-04-30T08:49:58.156+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
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@Simi These images are amazing! Would you mind if we used them?
pinging @kris
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## message-1499338061253836871
**2026-04-30T09:14:10.157+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2026-04/2026-04.json
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- https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1498744321476919316
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Please add these pictures to the shared photo album if you can!
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## message-1499339309751468213
**2026-04-30T09:19:07.822+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1499339309751468213`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499339309751468213
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2026-04/2026-04.json
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/Information/general/2026-04/2026-04.json
**Content**
```text
I'm not too happy about the use of AI here either. I think we should try to keep photos authentic and only perform basic image post-processing (using the correct tools) if necessary.
```
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## message-1499363225081483394
**2026-04-30T10:54:09.681+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1499363225081483394`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499363225081483394
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2026-04/2026-04.json
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/Information/general/2026-04/2026-04.json
**Content**
```text
To anyone who has already received their COBs, did it get shipped in a box or envelope?
```
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## message-1499378776704946216
**2026-04-30T11:55:57.477+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1499378776704946216`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499378776704946216
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2026-04/2026-04.json
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**Content**
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Also, does this drop-down load for anyone? I’ve never seen it display anything else for years. I always have to contact customer support to change my deliveries and its becoming increasingly difficult to get through to a human.
```
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## message-1499379156755152916
**2026-04-30T11:57:28.088+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1499379156755152916`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499379156755152916
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**Content**
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Only times I ever see that working is when the first delivery failed.
```
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## message-1499379561907879977
**2026-04-30T11:59:04.684+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1499379561907879977`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499379561907879977
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2026-04/2026-04.json
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**Content**
```text
My Mouser order just failed to be delivered and it still says that. I’m trying to reschedule it to the same day as the COBs are set to arrive.
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## message-1499380877761712310
**2026-04-30T12:04:18.408+00:00 — Jorropo (@jorropo)**
- Message ID: `1499380877761712310`
- Author ID: `183309006767521792`
- Nickname: Jorropo
- User name: jorropo
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-04-30T12:06:43.256+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499380877761712310
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2026-04/2026-04.json
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**Content**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570938/1499380331914989740
You can use: 2026-05-01 11:59 a.m. Friday, May 1, 2026 11:59:00 a.m.
Here is what you have to send: `2026-05-01 11:59 a.m. Friday, May 1, 2026 11:59:00 a.m.` it's ``
```
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## message-1499380930974974105
**2026-04-30T12:04:31.095+00:00 — Jorropo (@jorropo)**
- Message ID: `1499380930974974105`
- Author ID: `183309006767521792`
- Nickname: Jorropo
- User name: jorropo
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499380930974974105
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**Content**
```text
it shows a localized date
```
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## message-1499381011740622919
**2026-04-30T12:04:50.351+00:00 — Jorropo (@jorropo)**
- Message ID: `1499381011740622919`
- Author ID: `183309006767521792`
- Nickname: Jorropo
- User name: jorropo
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499381011740622919
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**Content**
```text
for example here is how I see my own message:
```
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## message-1499386071556030626
**2026-04-30T12:24:56.705+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1499386071556030626`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499386071556030626
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It looks like next week is going to be bring-up day for me
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## message-1499386104179069069
**2026-04-30T12:25:04.483+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1499386104179069069`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499386104179069069
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More like bring-up weeks
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## message-1499386138455183371
**2026-04-30T12:25:12.655+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1499386138455183371`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499386138455183371
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Its going to take forever to get through everything
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## message-1499386462372761603
**2026-04-30T12:26:29.883+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1499386462372761603`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499386462372761603
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**Content**
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I’ve spent many hours this week preparing my C64C to receive my chips
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## message-1499410013775466566
**2026-04-30T14:00:04.975+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
- Message ID: `1499410013775466566`
- Author ID: `1386929896323944612`
- Nickname: Thorben
- User name: thorben_61995
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499410013775466566
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**Content**
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Bonded the first Cloneless1 dies here locally (custom pad frame) and tested them on a breadboard (always gives me some nostalgia 😅) before the real PCB arrives next week. Everything seems to work nicely 😁
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## message-1499410447965753516
**2026-04-30T14:01:48.494+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
- Message ID: `1499410447965753516`
- Author ID: `1386929896323944612`
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**Content**
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I'm impressed by how easily one can recognize (larger) layout features with the naked eye on those dies.
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## message-1499410702308216872
**2026-04-30T14:02:49.134+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1499410702308216872`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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What? Someone beat me to bonding to ceramic carrier? How?
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## message-1499411064641814598
**2026-04-30T14:04:15.521+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
- Message ID: `1499411064641814598`
- Author ID: `1386929896323944612`
- Nickname: Thorben
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**Content**
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Got the naked dies a week ago already. Then just had to request access to our bonding machine and here we are.
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## message-1499411479458218134
**2026-04-30T14:05:54.421+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1499411479458218134`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
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You have access to a bonding machine. Lucky.
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## message-1499411728956657804
**2026-04-30T14:06:53.906+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1499411728956657804`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I taped out a replica of the 6510 with a pad-out carefully chosen to allow bonding to a DIP-carrier. I thought I was gonna become the first to do this. Eventually.
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## message-1499415316940329108
**2026-04-30T14:21:09.348+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1499415316940329108`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
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@Thorben Ball or Wedge ?
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## message-1499415352084398200
**2026-04-30T14:21:17.727+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1499415352084398200`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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Looks like Au wire
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## message-1499415903291441183
**2026-04-30T14:23:29.145+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
- Message ID: `1499415903291441183`
- Author ID: `1386929896323944612`
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Wedge, and Au wire indeed.
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## message-1499416465630302319
**2026-04-30T14:25:43.217+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1499416465630302319`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell I'm wondering if Au wire would help
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## message-1499416960876806154
**2026-04-30T14:27:41.293+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1499416960876806154`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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- Edited: 2026-04-30T14:33:01.263+00:00
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We are using AlSi wire
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## message-1499417057979273237
**2026-04-30T14:28:04.444+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Oh, nm then. For some reason I thought it was Al wire.
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## message-1499417878783459398
**2026-04-30T14:31:20.139+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell Wait no, on the pictures from the bonding factory, it's "AlSi" wire.
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## message-1499418384251748362
**2026-04-30T14:33:20.652+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Don't know how I typed Au when I meant to type Al
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## message-1499418557165994054
**2026-04-30T14:34:01.878+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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But I'm just generally confused I think. 😛
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## message-1499418694978113658
**2026-04-30T14:34:34.735+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Al and Au are too alphabetically close
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## message-1499418819473572092
**2026-04-30T14:35:04.417+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Can you add them to the photo album at https://photos.app.goo.gl/2vo4baXmki3fGFdb7 ?
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## message-1499450638495514655
**2026-04-30T16:41:30.663+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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Wow! Luxury chips! I love it!
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## message-1499460254822301881
**2026-04-30T17:19:43.374+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Thorben What does the chip do btw ?
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## message-1499466434273870048
**2026-04-30T17:44:16.67+00:00 — namibj**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1499478680496509102
**2026-04-30T18:32:56.397+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Kind of an off topic question but I assume there must be some voltnuts around here?
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## message-1499481284404187287
**2026-04-30T18:43:17.217+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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There is the #🤪-off-topic channel, btw
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## message-1499481312845631598
**2026-04-30T18:43:23.998+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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For your off-topic needs
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## message-1499482923806494912
**2026-04-30T18:49:48.081+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Facepalming rn
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## message-1499482962767380680
**2026-04-30T18:49:57.37+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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I am blind in more ways than I expected, thank you
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## message-1499515284523061278
**2026-04-30T20:58:23.477+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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My multi-project die template/generator is complete. Just waiting for DRC to pass to be absolutely sure, and then I’ll write up docs on the weekend and push.
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## message-1499515378408362154
**2026-04-30T20:58:45.861+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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What?
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## message-1499515405796905103
**2026-04-30T20:58:52.391+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Just as I say that, too....
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## message-1499515452718715011
**2026-04-30T20:59:03.578+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1499515452718715011`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
Should’ve stayed quiet
```
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## message-1499585191176306880
**2026-05-01T01:36:10.522+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1499585191176306880`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-05-01T01:36:39.539+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499585191176306880
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**Content**
```text
@Noritsuna Imamura - Have you had a chance to give the ISHI bare die a probe? I would be interested to know how that goes!
Please take lots of photos of your testing and share them too! I'm 100% sure others here would also be interested in your results.
```
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## message-1499589506624524296
**2026-05-01T01:53:19.405+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1499589506624524296`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499589506624524296
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From the picture - AiSi1% at 0.8mil width. Apparently the 0.8mil wire is about 5x or 10x more expensive then the typical 1.0mil width bonding wire they use.
```
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## message-1499593710252331130
**2026-05-01T02:10:01.628+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1499593710252331130`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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**Content**
```text
BTW Everyone, I still remain very interested in trying to bring back gate arrays in the form of a base device created by wafer.space that then uses a single final coarse metal layer to do the final programming of the die - see some random ideas @ http://bit.ly/ws-gatearray-v1
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## message-1499596885608890449
**2026-05-01T02:22:38.692+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1499596885608890449`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
that's a fun idea. was thinking about laser trimming earlier today but I like this idea more
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## message-1499597931043491931
**2026-05-01T02:26:47.943+00:00 — Noritsuna Imamura (@noritsunaimamura)**
- Message ID: `1499597931043491931`
- Author ID: `754661674145022032`
- Nickname: Noritsuna Imamura
- User name: noritsunaimamura
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499597931043491931
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We plan to conduct tests using the probe.
However, we expect that preparations will take a little more time.
Once the measurements are taken, we plan to report the results.
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## message-1499609265336356937
**2026-05-01T03:11:50.249+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1499609265336356937`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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@BreakingTaps - An alternative idea is to use something like lasers to cut paths rather than metal to add paths.
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## message-1499609657365500004
**2026-05-01T03:13:23.716+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1499609657365500004`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499609657365500004
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**Content**
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@BreakingTaps - I feel like people like you, the Dr Semiconductor guy, and Hackerfab people could then do "ASICs" use these die in a few hour turn around.
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## message-1499613371618558053
**2026-05-01T03:28:09.263+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1499613371618558053`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
- Nickname: azonenberg
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- Type: `Reply`
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yeah we have an Au ball bonder at work if we ever do a tapeout for a test project i can hand bond initial test ones
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## message-1499616158385574049
**2026-05-01T03:39:13.68+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1499616158385574049`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
- Nickname: Brian Swetland
- User name: dnaltews
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1499616158385574049
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a little RV32 core, a splash of SRAM, UART, SPI, and gate array fabric might make an interesting little chip
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## message-1499617935231156285
**2026-05-01T03:46:17.313+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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Yeah this is a really compelling idea, especially since you'd have 1000 to play around with. Will do more thinking on it!
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## message-1499620831087689758
**2026-05-01T03:57:47.739+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1499620831087689758`
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It seems like there is a lot of choice in the tiny silicon proven RISC-V cores like SERV and TinyQV and Fazy
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## message-1499705724232532078
**2026-05-01T09:35:07.842+00:00 — Chips4Makers aka Staf Verhaegen (@chips4makers)**
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Most structured ASICs I have seen (eASIC, Triad Semiconductor) were using via layers for the customization layer(s). Via layers should also be able to be done faster for a maskless process like ebeam litho.
One idea I had was to actually start from FPGA architecture but replace the storage cells in the LUTs and the routing cells with vias.
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## message-1499706775681765527
**2026-05-01T09:39:18.527+00:00 — namibj**
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any idea on how the material cost compares to the capex/machine time there? Because without it's little to go on, sadly.
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## message-1499723981492715712
**2026-05-01T10:47:40.712+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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This was talking about the material cost of the actual wire (according to the bond house), not anything else.
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## message-1499724206282117343
**2026-05-01T10:48:34.306+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah, I know.
(It's just not at all actionable to any of us AFAIK without being able to see any perspective there.)
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## message-1499724364419956776
**2026-05-01T10:49:12.009+00:00 — namibj**
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doesn't have to be for sure tho
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## message-1499724369927082014
**2026-05-01T10:49:13.322+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Yes, but the current "standard" way of doing most structured ASICs / gate array devices has lead to them no longer being manufactured / killed them -- so following down that path seems like not the best idea 🙂
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## message-1499796897416741024
**2026-05-01T15:37:25.223+00:00 — Zhekar1998 (@zhekar1998)**
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Hey folks! Quick GF180/wafer.space question: are there any usable on-chip NVM options for open submissions, like MTP/YMTP, or should I design assuming no embedded NVM and boot from external QSPI flash?
Mostly looking for practical experience / gotchas, not an official commitment. Thanks!
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**2026-05-01T15:43:11.601+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Somebody made an OTP efuse compiler, iirc the first tapeout failed due to a missing power connection
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## message-1499798371240644780
**2026-05-01T15:43:16.61+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i dont know if the next revision is back yet
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## message-1499798426328764508
**2026-05-01T15:43:29.744+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but AFAIK gf supports fuses on this node
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## message-1499798510722351276
**2026-05-01T15:43:49.865+00:00 — azonenberg**
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its the kind of thing you would use for trim settings not firmware
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## message-1499802705139339414
**2026-05-01T16:00:29.892+00:00 — Zhekar1998 (@zhekar1998)**
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Oh yeah, sounds painful 😅 are there any other options for rewritable NVM though? (not OTP)
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## message-1499802983465226402
**2026-05-01T16:01:36.25+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Not to my knowledge. Flash etc needs a lot of extra masks that add significant cost
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## message-1499803065203560638
**2026-05-01T16:01:55.738+00:00 — azonenberg**
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There may be a ROM compiler, i know folks were working on them but not sure what's been silicon proven so far
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**2026-05-01T16:02:07.55+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but if you need it field programmable just hang a spi flash off they're cheap
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## message-1499803422478696588
**2026-05-01T16:03:20.919+00:00 — Zhekar1998 (@zhekar1998)**
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for me its some complicated to have 3 different flash, but for first demonstrator maybe its best option)
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## message-1499820901556813844
**2026-05-01T17:12:48.256+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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It was me :). New revision is currently being wirebonded, so in a couple of weeks we'll see if it works.
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## message-1499830130900598967
**2026-05-01T17:49:28.703+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1499836994266726570
**2026-05-01T18:16:45.057+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1499836994266726570`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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what's the tl;dr here? Just not commercially viable vs taping out your own chip? I'm not super familiar with the history of these devices
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## message-1499858676218073229
**2026-05-01T19:42:54.437+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1499858676218073229`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
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AFAIK people use FPGAs and probably modern scaling's issues with leakage power discouraging from doing things the old way.
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## message-1499876240713322578
**2026-05-01T20:52:42.139+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1499876240713322578`
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Some photos of my COB chips
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## message-1499963185241784584
**2026-05-02T02:38:11.33+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1499963185241784584`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
I’ve been trying to get charlib to work for me since last year, but its still crashing with impossible to interpret errors even though I’m sure I’m doing everything right
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## message-1499964194580074637
**2026-05-02T02:42:11.975+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1499964194580074637`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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Very cool pictures!
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## message-1499967382800699473
**2026-05-02T02:54:52.106+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1499967382800699473`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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My theories on why gate arrays went extinct are the following:
* Gate arrays meant dealing with a silicon foundry. Once you have gone through the huge effort of dealing with a silicon foundry, then the performance improvements of going full custom seem higher ROI.
* Most groups focused on trying to make gate arrays competitive with custom silicon design from a PPA rather than focus on time to market and customizability.
* Foundries still wanted to own the customization step, not just the production of the starting gate array material.
* Gate array refused to learn from what FPGA people where doing.
* CPUs & FPGAs got a lot better.
* The industry is so focused on volume and scaling that gate arrays don't make sense when you assume every project needs to sell 1 million units before it breaks even.
* Maskless solutions in foundries never took off because again the industry is so focused on huge scale.
* Everyone one was focused on the silicon side and did not invest in the software side.
I haven't done an exhaustive search, but a lot of the gate array examples I have seen had the silicon wafers prepared to the end of FEOL and then used highest density metal for configuration. This (maybe) makes sense if you are trying to do gate arrays of transistors and form them into standard cells and SRAM blocks but also means they still take quite a long time to be made (IE O(months) rather than O(hours)).
Basically, nobody was focused on:
* How to I make gate arrays cheap and fast for the small run or even individual unit use case.
* Providing prebuilt items like SRAM blocks, wide busses, etc.
* Focused on enabling as many different solutions for programmability.
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## message-1499990294186295296
**2026-05-02T04:25:54.606+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
- Message ID: `1499990294186295296`
- Author ID: `709384666909507634`
- Nickname: Egor Lukyanchenko
- User name: egorxe
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2026-05-02T05:36:41.954+00:00
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I would say that gate arrays might be interesting if they'll be available with a rapid PCB prototyping kind of "programming" service. Something like a TinyTapeout, but with a turnaround time of about a week and a cost of around 200$/10 units might find its users. The gate array should have something like 20% of logic density if compared with a full custom layout on the same technology, so WS full slot based GA will be large enough to fit a decent design even with around half of the area reserved for the fixed logic like a CPU and SRAM.
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## message-1500020786189307995
**2026-05-02T06:27:04.466+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Egor Lukyanchenko - If we could prove a wafer.space die could be programmed using something like the HackerFab Stepper (which is like ~$10k USD) and each wafer.space die is $7 USD a part, then $200 USD for 10 units in 1-2 weeks kind of seems like something someone could have a small side business doing. (10*$7 == $70 USD for the die leaves $130 USD to cover the time and HackerFab stepper investment).
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## message-1500031201392721948
**2026-05-02T07:08:27.644+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell
> If we could prove a wafer.space die could be programmed using something like the HackerFab Stepper
If the spatial resolution of the HackerFab machine for adding the top metal is known, the achievable logic density of such GA could be easily estimated. The software flow based on Yosys+OpenROAD appears to be doable, as the only truly custom step is constrained placement, which is closer to the FPGA than to ASIC. But designing a “good” GA architecture, which could achieve a reasonable density and speed, will take quite some time, I think.
> (10*$7 == $70 USD for the die leaves $130 USD to cover the time and HackerFab stepper investment)
That is where my 20$/piece price came from :).
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## message-1500101489501143180
**2026-05-02T11:47:45.635+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Yeap, so it just needs someone to "do the work" 🙂
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## message-1500130948547870950
**2026-05-02T13:44:49.219+00:00 — dshadoff**
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I agree - if there was a way to one-time program gate arrays (post-production), that would be popular and useful, and a good use for any excess capacity.
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## message-1500132105957675029
**2026-05-02T13:49:25.167+00:00 — namibj**
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> The industry is so focused on volume and scaling that gate arrays don't make sense when you assume every project needs to sell 1 million units before it breaks even.,
Yeah this is overall sooooo endemic.
Really hurts innovation, obviously.
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## message-1500149730179678389
**2026-05-02T14:59:27.109+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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afaik the biggest spenditure would actually be time, and space
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## message-1500150152332312586
**2026-05-02T15:01:07.758+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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You cannot guarantee a scalable chip if you don't have a reliable cleanroom, and you need to have not only the litography machine (which, granted, tens to be the most expensive machine), but also a way to bake the wafers, a way to supply said wafers, a way to deal with potentially dangerous chemicals, a way to inspect the chips, and you need to do all this with reproducibility always in mind
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## message-1500150829251039372
**2026-05-02T15:03:49.148+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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To be fair as they do advertise on the Hacker Fab website, they're quickly refining the process and the price to manage making low-volume chips is quickly going down
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## message-1500151008334975037
**2026-05-02T15:04:31.845+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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I myself know I want to make a Hacker Fab myself, for my low-volume ASICs, but I would never feel comfortable selling at any scale larger than 5 or 10 of them to individuals
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## message-1500157815216537790
**2026-05-02T15:31:34.732+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm actually skeptical that a reliable cleanroom is needed when you are doing stuff on individual chips and something like a single 5um or 10um metal layer. Plus if you have a 1 in 10 failure rate, you have only lost like $7 USD for that failure.
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## message-1500159058202722445
**2026-05-02T15:36:31.083+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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A semiconductor fab wouldn't accept a 10% failure rate per metal layer because they need to do like 5 or more metal layers and on failure you just burnt a an almost complete wafer. But here you only have 1 layer to do and a failure is only negatively impacting a pretty cheap cost.
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## message-1500159436621353082
**2026-05-02T15:38:01.305+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Hmmm that is fair
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## message-1500159564178391243
**2026-05-02T15:38:31.717+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Afaik the Hacker Fab project actually got away with just using a plasma cleaner and execising caution
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## message-1500159710018670702
**2026-05-02T15:39:06.488+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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In practice a good solvent choice might even be abe to get rid of most meaningful aberrations
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## message-1500159922157916260
**2026-05-02T15:39:57.066+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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It's risk verse reward -- If I'm spending $X billions to build a fab, then I'm going to be a bit more demanding than if I'm just spending $10k USD 🙂
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## message-1500160132875554918
**2026-05-02T15:40:47.305+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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of course, that is fair! But you also have to take into account that the difference too is in the fact that the one assembling a billion-worth fab is a multibillion company, whilst the 10k fab is an individual
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## message-1500160238563885258
**2026-05-02T15:41:12.503+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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And the multibillion company already has a market and investors, so it can ensure that the projects will see the light of day
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## message-1500160363155427418
**2026-05-02T15:41:42.208+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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I can guarantee that if I also had investors and knew I'd make at least as much as I spend on making a fab setup, I would just, make the fab
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## message-1500160434374967506
**2026-05-02T15:41:59.188+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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But it's a bit of a risky gamble
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## message-1500162367995252858
**2026-05-02T15:49:40.199+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Those minimal fabs try to solve this by fitting the equipment in a small, highly automated volume instead of maintaining a full cleanroom. I think you can make this idea work.
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## message-1500162723508387911
**2026-05-02T15:51:04.96+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Hmmm yeah that definitely sounds like a pretty plausible idea
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## message-1500162937203982356
**2026-05-02T15:51:55.909+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Yeah and the market can't be too hard to find
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## message-1500162975544119436
**2026-05-02T15:52:05.05+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah single layer is not that intense cleanroom; also you just use essentially a line of laminar flow hoods; you don't need the humans in the clean part of the room
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## message-1500163006859055205
**2026-05-02T15:52:12.516+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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While it is a definitely a privileged position, I'm sure that there are a lot of people who have $10k spare compared to multibillion dollar companies willing to risk building semiconductor fab.
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## message-1500163016228999230
**2026-05-02T15:52:14.75+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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5 to 7$ for a chip, custom made with at most 6 weeks lead time, seems like a great offer I know I wouldn't pass on
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**2026-05-02T15:52:22.023+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Medical sensors need the analog capacity, and subthreshold design for ULP as well
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## message-1500163202728857730
**2026-05-02T15:52:59.215+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Also small businesses might benefit from this
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## message-1500163333838606356
**2026-05-02T15:53:30.474+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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well there is a whole small business in and of itself
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## message-1500163486460809378
**2026-05-02T15:54:06.862+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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If we can find a way of doing heterogeneous packaging the opportunities will explode, which I know @namibj was interested in
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## message-1500163705164271868
**2026-05-02T15:54:59.005+00:00 — namibj**
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hmmmm
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## message-1500163841072431224
**2026-05-02T15:55:31.408+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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It can probably be done by using "internal pads", kind of how PCB stacking was done during the transition to transistor logic
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## message-1500164098824868032
**2026-05-02T15:56:32.861+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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I've seen a few good PCBs, if on the older side, that used this to their advantage, so I don't see why it couldn't be done with silicon
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## message-1500164537343541477
**2026-05-02T15:58:17.412+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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My entrepenurial and experimental sides are coalescing too much over this idea and I feel the pull to make a crowdsupply campaign to try and get an "indie semiconductor fab" to be a real thing /hj
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## message-1500165734179799090
**2026-05-02T16:03:02.76+00:00 — namibj**
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Share?
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## message-1500166037705068676
**2026-05-02T16:04:15.126+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Check the link Tim sent, its something people are working on for sure
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## message-1500166175198412891
**2026-05-02T16:04:47.907+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Uhhh I have one very good example on the workshop. It used to be on the innards of a locomotive when the whole thing about "electronic security" was starting to be a thing
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## message-1500166396649144471
**2026-05-02T16:05:40.705+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Iirc they have various copper pillars that are bolted in between two PCBs and they're used to transmit data directly between the 2-layer PCBs
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## message-1500166461426241607
**2026-05-02T16:05:56.149+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Well I say two later but it's just a one-sided copper substrate
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## message-1500166649003642982
**2026-05-02T16:06:40.871+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Yeah I know and that's the thing, it's something I'm definitely interested on trying for myself anyways so might as well make my thesis and a business out of it xd
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## message-1500169393710301274
**2026-05-02T16:17:35.26+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I'm trying to convince PCBA houses to offer wire bonding as part of their PCBA services which opens up a way to integrate a bunch of devices together.
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## message-1500169518834778222
**2026-05-02T16:18:05.092+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Yeah the bad thing is that that would be a costly service not many at-scale clients would use
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## message-1500169612195795204
**2026-05-02T16:18:27.351+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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JLC for example earns most of their money off of medium-batch PCBA and large-scale PCB manufacture
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## message-1500169696484524154
**2026-05-02T16:18:47.447+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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PCBs where once a costly service 🙂
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## message-1500169705476853850
**2026-05-02T16:18:49.591+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Everything else they offer is just either cheap to have running or can be easily made with the otherwise defunct machines involved
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## message-1500169786632699964
**2026-05-02T16:19:08.94+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Yeah of course! But that didn't stop them from being popular!
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## message-1500169916198686740
**2026-05-02T16:19:39.831+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Wire-bonding is still a very niche process except for very specific applications, and the companies that can afford to supply dies can already afford to bond and coat it themselves
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## message-1500170094679035957
**2026-05-02T16:20:22.384+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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So you try telling the JLC executives that if they drop a bunch of money at adding another service, it might be profitable after... Well, between a long time and never
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## message-1500171101198880778
**2026-05-02T16:24:22.357+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Dory - Don't know about JLC, but a number of other groups (like PCB Way) already have wire bonding machine -- they just don't offer access to those machines to non-chinese customers today because they don't have a way to do automated quoting like they can with PCB/PCBA.
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## message-1500171431370293359
**2026-05-02T16:25:41.076+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Ahhh that is very fair
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## message-1500171458146603038
**2026-05-02T16:25:47.46+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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I wouldn't have thought that is the case, see
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## message-1500171499787649196
**2026-05-02T16:25:57.388+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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But then again it makes sense too
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## message-1500171597602885685
**2026-05-02T16:26:20.709+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Though I'm guessing my argument for why you wouldn't do it small scale still applies
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## message-1500171781900734505
**2026-05-02T16:27:04.649+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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It's so costly to have a few bare dies shipped to china, pay full time engineer hours for operation of a machine that can easily take an hour to be done, and needs their full attention, and then to pot it an ensure it will last
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## message-1500171956622856315
**2026-05-02T16:27:46.306+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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But it'd be awesome to see it become a thing, so I'll pray for your success from the sidelines hehe
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## message-1500172643243003986
**2026-05-02T16:30:30.009+00:00 — namibj**
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Workshop?
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## message-1500173182856986838
**2026-05-02T16:32:38.663+00:00 — namibj**
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I'm happy the GaN are lateral devices, so unlike the SiC JFETs from (formerly) UnitedSiC, no need for silver sintering.
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## message-1500173895876083863
**2026-05-02T16:35:28.66+00:00 — namibj**
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Though I should look at whether that (low temperature silver sintering) can do enough resolution to work for flip chip bonding of wafer.space dies without (much/expensive) post-processing.
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## message-1500174112847302860
**2026-05-02T16:36:20.39+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Yeah I have a little workshop on the other side of town. Well it's my father's but we kinda share
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**2026-05-02T16:36:26.801+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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It's more of a... Dump than anything else
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**2026-05-02T16:36:38.533+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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I have a few old electronics and mechateonics stuff hanged up
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## message-1500178149579817111
**2026-05-02T16:52:22.822+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/ws_multi_project_generator
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## message-1500178170509525083
**2026-05-02T16:52:27.812+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Still needs docs, but it is functional
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## message-1500178333722349569
**2026-05-02T16:53:06.725+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Allows for automatic generation of multi-project setups with all 50 GPIOs shared between the projects, up to 15 projects
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## message-1500178392862031932
**2026-05-02T16:53:20.825+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Digital only
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## message-1500178733376602192
**2026-05-02T16:54:42.01+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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One possible application for this is it to further reduce tape-out cost by carrying multiple different people’s projects on one die
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## message-1500181553458712688
**2026-05-02T17:05:54.37+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1500181556608635151
**2026-05-02T17:05:55.121+00:00 — namibj**
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I'd probably be able to bankroll a single one of these dies worth of wafer.space next year if we have figured out a way to bond the gate drive current to the wafer.space die for it.
I'd actually assume it should be possible to do without flip-chip but instead "just" using the kind of thick rectangular al bond "wire" they use for e.g. the TO-247 packages of the UnitedSiC Gen4 cascodes:
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## message-1500181609973026856
**2026-05-02T17:06:07.844+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1500182211721429193
**2026-05-02T17:08:31.312+00:00 — namibj**
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That's a large SiC vertical jfet drain down with a 30V vertical silicon mosfet drain sintered to the SiC source; the SiC gate is the tiny pad off to the left; then the mosfet has a kelvin gate bonded out (two legs of the TO-247 for gate purposes, one is source the other gate) and ofc the fat source bonding for the load current.
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## message-1500338303252168797
**2026-05-03T03:28:46.433+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Very cool!
I'm very on board with promoting this work and having people hiring your services to help people afford slots by sharing.
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## message-1500339673497862287
**2026-05-03T03:34:13.125+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1500339673497862287`
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I would ***potentially*** be interested in exploring how a pattern like this on the top metal could be used for bonding directly rather than needing bond wires (IE provide free silicon if there is spare/leftover space on the shuttle).
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## message-1500341495713239090
**2026-05-03T03:41:27.575+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1500341495713239090`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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non-wedge-bonding should likely be fine with active area underneath; for merely testing the flip-chip tactic(s) as-such it shouldn't really need more than.... wiring a normal IO pad to a suitably large pad in a more central location on the die?
I don't know what non-customer-GDS slices you're planning to have for Run2, but later this month or possibly early next month I'd be up for making a more concrete proposal/"pitch deck" with the ESD aspects researched out for such an option/opportunity.
If that's what you're approximately thinking of here?
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## message-1500342231389831248
**2026-05-03T03:44:22.974+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I don't really care about being pitched too, I'm just interested in helping promote the exploration of ideas which might help reduce cost further by eliminating wire bonding and such.
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## message-1500343131357319238
**2026-05-03T03:47:57.543+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1500343131357319238`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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no I mean regarding a concrete concept of how to potentially explore how such a pattern on top metal could be used for flip chip bonding, without having to dedicate the flip chip pad's top metal occupied area across all layers (e.g. it should only need a fraction of the active area underneath, unless we assume particularly advanced fine-pitch flip-chip techniques)
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## message-1500343347322163271
**2026-05-03T03:48:49.033+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1500343347322163271`
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oh sorry, I again misread; I thought you said "I don't really recall being pitched to"
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## message-1500343923606814810
**2026-05-03T03:51:06.43+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1500343923606814810`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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I won't have any of the analog PA things (needed to make integration with one of those GaN chips useful) ready in time for Run2, but there's other things that could be bonded to a Run2 die to trial the bonding process itself.
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## message-1500344047041253397
**2026-05-03T03:51:35.859+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I also don't need to necessarily understand everything either :-). Throwing stuff against the wall and seeing what sticks is part of the idea behind trying to make things continually cheaper.
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## message-1500344679248560349
**2026-05-03T03:54:06.589+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1500344679248560349`
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Filling the die with different types of silicon capacitors (MIM, MOS & MOM) and maybe even some efuses with a very simple 1-wire core so info about lot number, wafer number, wafer position could be burned into the device would be perfectly resonable to me.
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## message-1500344869699457074
**2026-05-03T03:54:51.996+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1500344869699457074`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Yeah, I thought to mean that for whoever would try to make more productive use of the lower layers in that area (those not used by the ESD structures), to "convince" them that this upper layer structure with a little bit of active pad structure underneath would be harmless enough to include.
Could be with some new sram macro trial or something more experimental than normal slice usage, I'd assume.
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## message-1500345322390552637
**2026-05-03T03:56:39.926+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh yeah it should be perfectly fine to trial efuse designs (well, EPROM as a general concept, I don't mean the specific UV-erasable variety) in the spare active area under such a pad.
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## message-1500346868272467978
**2026-05-03T04:02:48.493+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Random Google doc with ideas @ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ahoCTmPvKExYtk3qqxvjMpnq5XOcIQvVWMF84zgi82k/edit?tab=t.0
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## message-1500347890860556481
**2026-05-03T04:06:52.297+00:00 — namibj**
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in lieu of anything better I'd suggest an ice40ul1k-swg16 or a ice40up3k/ice40up5k (I heard they're the same; the former just isn't sold in the QFN48 package)
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## message-1500348370261246003
**2026-05-03T04:08:46.595+00:00 — namibj**
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but yeah silicon capacitor pinned raw out to the pads could be something; antenna diodes are used in avalanche connection to be reverse-biased in normal operation, right?
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## message-1500349676791267469
**2026-05-03T04:13:58.096+00:00 — namibj**
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sorry this was the one for the up5k; the above ones were just the ultra lite vs. ultra [non-lite]
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## message-1500365427497369722
**2026-05-03T05:16:33.357+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1500365427497369722`
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I'm currently working to source known-good-die of ice40up5k through my Lattice contacts.
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## message-1500365899629203507
**2026-05-03T05:18:25.922+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1500365899629203507`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
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- User name: dnaltews
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```text
I miss the days when those parts were $4-5 in handful quantities
```
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## message-1500366264646762537
**2026-05-03T05:19:52.949+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1500366264646762537`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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@Brian Swetland - How much are they these days? I've generally gotten them at $1-$2 USD per part in the past (but I've been buying multiple full reels at a time).
```
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## message-1500366399267274795
**2026-05-03T05:20:25.045+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1500366399267274795`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
- Nickname: Brian Swetland
- User name: dnaltews
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looks like cut tape, single digits is $10-11 on digikey/mouser... down to $8-9 in the hundreds
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## message-1500366717195391077
**2026-05-03T05:21:40.845+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1500366717195391077`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
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```text
I assume some combo of popularity and the parts crunch that kicked off a bit into the pandemic were contributing factors here
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## message-1500367010939273318
**2026-05-03T05:22:50.879+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
- Message ID: `1500367010939273318`
- Author ID: `252198343764213760`
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being able to buy 5-10 for ~$4 each was hobbyist fpga nirvana back when the yosys/nextpnr tooling was getting solid
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## message-1500529425924624580
**2026-05-03T16:08:13.629+00:00 — Chips4Makers aka Staf Verhaegen (@chips4makers)**
- Message ID: `1500529425924624580`
- Author ID: `728516105680846892`
- Nickname: Chips4Makers aka Staf Verhaegen
- User name: chips4makers
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I don't believe the reason for example eASIC in the end failed was technical but financial, e.g. investors driving it in the wrong direction. A lot of companies fail not because of technical unfitness.
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## message-1500531436111925399
**2026-05-03T16:16:12.895+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Is there a feedback mechanism for the patterns between the dies? I am running into a problem where I need to generate data to train a model, and I don't want to grab people's work and throw it into a training dataset without explicit permission.
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## message-1500538986874011678
**2026-05-03T16:46:13.137+00:00 — namibj**
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"patterns between the dies"?
Can you rephrase that message, it's hard to understand what you're trying to say there.
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## message-1500539111746830426
**2026-05-03T16:46:42.909+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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There are test patterns in the spaces between the dies
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## message-1500540607448223765
**2026-05-03T16:52:39.512+00:00 — namibj**
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If you don't need the extra IO get up3k (so I've heard; I'll try in some weeks, probably shortly after the Run2 deadline), the only way they could reasonably do the implied binning to lower fabric block/component availability would involve per-die PnR (even if only a reduced PnR, it's clearly gonna involve per-die bitstreams) and there's no sign in any of the dcumentation that they would burden the customers with such.
At least in the open tooling I'm told it just doesn't apply the lower ressource limits, treating it essentially equivalent to a 30-ball WLCSP up5k and at worst setting a couple bits to mark the bitstream as "for up3k" to pacify possible validation.
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## message-1500540914207297618
**2026-05-03T16:53:52.649+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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you can get the latest gowin parts for a few bucks a piece, I believe they're supported by an open source toolchain
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## message-1500616596693975211
**2026-05-03T21:54:36.76+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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Yeah, it's actually pretty surprising what you can get away with at 1um and larger size. All my diy stuff was in open shop air and rarely had issues with particles. Solvent cleaning and thorough DI water rinses takes care of most particles at a size that matter to big features.
Wouldnt be hard to automate in a little HEPA cell either. Single metal layer is just spincoater, hotplate, litho machine and sputter or evap.
Man this is really tempting me 😅
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## message-1500624501451526205
**2026-05-03T22:26:01.401+00:00 — namibj**
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for maskless metal I'd expect options beyond the traditional litho technique, such as perhaps laser machining.
Like, the concept of laser trimming is officially supported on the gf180mcu open PDK...
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## message-1500626944214175754
**2026-05-03T22:35:43.801+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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Possibly, but could be a real challenge. Would probably want at least picosecond laser to limit thermal damage, and green or shorter wavelength to limit depth and focal spot size. Have to deal with debris. Have to be very careful about getting a full ablation and no shorts. End of the day might be harder than a simple 405nm direct write into resist and metal liftoff. 😕
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## message-1500630109336506449
**2026-05-03T22:48:18.425+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1500630109336506449`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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Yeah.
Thought picosecond sounds a little severe there, and you don't need green for spot size reasons there.
Are (active, triggered) Q-switched Nd:YAG with their practical lower pulse lengths of about 5~10 ns that poorly suited to ablating "unwanted" intersections? Hmmm.
Best not to get bogged down with those thoughts now though, I got a sky130 deadline to ship a bunch of MCML cells for.
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## message-1500636038585127013
**2026-05-03T23:11:52.068+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1500636038585127013`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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Well spot size is limited by wavelength, so eventually you'll want a shorter wavelength to minimize ablation zone (even with a gaussian spot and only the middle ablating). And nanosecond pulses are deeply thermal because they are so slow, you get a ton of substrate and edge heating. In an ideal world you are in "cold" ablation regime (fs to low ps) where your breaking bonds faster than thermal diffusion
I'm on the road at the moment, but can share some 1064nm ns pulse microscope shots of thin films when I get back. Hard to get sub 20um and they are very rough edges.
1064 absorption depth in Si is like a mm or something, easy to nuke other structures below the metal 😕
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## message-1500636507172769904
**2026-05-03T23:13:43.788+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1500636507172769904`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Oh hmm fair. Though I'd expect deeper penetration into substrate resulting in less damage to the substrate once/after the metal is gone.
But yeah, fair, nano scale has sub-nano timescales 😄
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## message-1500654263603433522
**2026-05-04T00:24:17.251+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1500654263603433522`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Update: will have my dies imaged with a scanning electron microscope by a hackerspace that has one. Raw dies ship out to them towards the end of next week (or this week, if you’re in a timezone where its monday).
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## message-1500681873943429288
**2026-05-04T02:14:00.069+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Waves silicon seductively......
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## message-1500861985519046737
**2026-05-04T14:09:42.015+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1500861985519046737`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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I'll clean the later version up once the looming deadlines (ttsky26a & WS Run2) stop threatening me; if anyone wants my preliminary/kinda-experimental tooling (which I'm still cooking rn, I hope it gets to jump into proper optimization/refining before Thursday 5am UTC) before then, _please **ask**_.
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## message-1500867825902948372
**2026-05-04T14:32:54.471+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1500867825902948372`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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For people who are interested in the state of run #1, here is a summary.
Each wafer has 28 full reticle shots and a bunch of partial reticle shots which mean most designs end up with about ~34-36 full dies per wafer.
The status of all 25 wafers from run #1 are:
* 1 ✕ wafer was manually fully picked by Andrew, these are the sample / loose tape die people should have received.
* 2 ✕ wafers where fully picked by Andrew, these are the die people should have received on a 7 inch reel.
* 11 ✕ wafers had just the full reticle shots picked using an existing pick and sort house here in Singapore, meaning that we end up with 308 (11 * 28 == 308) being delivered on a wafer dicing frame and 11 ✕ "carcasses" with each about ~6 good versions of each project die on them (so another 66 chips). The carcasses will be going with Andrew to allow him to do testing on the custom die picking machine.
* 6 ✕ wafers are diced but unpicked that will be going back with @Andrew Wingate to final testing of the custom die picking machine.
* 1 ✕ wafer are with @stuart's alternative dicing, pick and sort house in China (~34 die).
* 4 ✕ wafers where undiced and sent to people to use as display items.
That should be the total 25 wafers manufactured in run #1 (which is a short run that required paid projects to be duplicated to two slots).
Looking at how the numbers have finally shaken out a short run of only 25 wafers saved about 15% of the manufacturing run cost, so normal runs will be two lots -- IE 50 wafers.
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## message-1500867861189623854
**2026-05-04T14:33:02.884+00:00 — namibj**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1500869590962536478
**2026-05-04T14:39:55.294+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1500869590962536478`
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- Edited: 2026-05-04T14:40:47.918+00:00
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The people who don't get COB, their raw dies have shipped today.
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## message-1500870135693447209
**2026-05-04T14:42:05.168+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1500870135693447209`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-05-04T14:42:14.386+00:00
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell When will the next 11 wafers make their way to china for COB ?
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## message-1500872782370832505
**2026-05-04T14:52:36.185+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1500872782370832505`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
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Would it be possible/practical to have a tiny shared test harness on the reticle that would allow one (coarse?) probing contacting to that harness to the be mux'd to the individual dies pre-dicing to sort out bad dies without having to probe each one individually?
Or would that not be relevant due to the large process node, very-sub-reticle sized individual dies, and the individual-die packaging allowing per-die post-packaging probing at e.g. the COB mezzanine plug?
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## message-1500893199781199882
**2026-05-04T16:13:44.075+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1500893199781199882`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
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Nothing can cross the seal ring
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## message-1500922766583398610
**2026-05-04T18:11:13.35+00:00 — namibj**
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Me got nerdsniped.
Internet says well resistor can and are occasionally used for wafer acceptance testing of like non-pinned-out bandgap references and the like?
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## message-1500925823195287652
**2026-05-04T18:23:22.103+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1500925823195287652`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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- Type: `Default`
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(those can't power the DUT tho so it's not gonna work without "proper" pads inside the seal ring, hence COB-first test-after looking quite superior)
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## message-1501019804499447828
**2026-05-05T00:36:48.992+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1501019804499447828`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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Well the 11 wafers don't exist anymore - they are now ~40 separate wafer dicing frames with dies mounted on them. Those have either been shipped to people who wanted only bare die or on their way to china for chip on board mounting.
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## message-1501020906217279598
**2026-05-05T00:41:11.662+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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GlobalFoundries puts process test structures into the margins of the reticle - this is where the "etest" data for the production run comes from -> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10zQF_L-KsV-n5zMISB8C67llsldodtbSALWoNdpY17Y/edit?gid=940809968#gid=940809968
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## message-1501021879606055056
**2026-05-05T00:45:03.736+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Most "production scale" semiconductor chip stuff has a testing phase which is done before dicing. Creating the test harness and test routing is extremely expensive as you are generally aiming to test a whole reticle at a time. The die which fail the test generally get marked with a black dot.
@bunnie will hopefully publish an interesting blog post about going through that experience recently for his BaoChip.
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## message-1501234319220408340
**2026-05-05T14:49:13.287+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I have devastating news
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## message-1501234339495673857
**2026-05-05T14:49:18.121+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I will not be able to bring up my chips
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## message-1501234373456957470
**2026-05-05T14:49:26.218+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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And idk when I’ll be able to
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## message-1501234393119850678
**2026-05-05T14:49:30.906+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The dies are upside-down
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## message-1501234435541045338
**2026-05-05T14:49:41.02+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I don’t know what to do now
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## message-1501234727309279372
**2026-05-05T14:50:50.583+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Even if this is fixable by revision of the PCBs that the COBs plug in to, I have no money for that
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## message-1501234750143201433
**2026-05-05T14:50:56.027+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1501234750143201433`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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So its gonna be a couple months, at least
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## message-1501236629036208200
**2026-05-05T14:58:23.99+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1501236629036208200`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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afaik all remaining raw dies have been shipped out to me, so there is nothing that wafer.space can do on their end
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## message-1501237011271389324
**2026-05-05T14:59:55.122+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1501237011271389324`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell If you DO still have raw dies of mine, I would be willing to pay for another set of COBs with the die rotated correctly, as I am 100% sure that this would be cheaper than me re-designing and re-building all 8 PCBs I designed for this bring-up
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## message-1501237292570775704
**2026-05-05T15:01:02.189+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1501237292570775704`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1501237292570775704
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I am checking right now if the COBs as they are (flipped) are still usable
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## message-1501237643487215747
**2026-05-05T15:02:25.854+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1501237643487215747`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Edited: 2026-05-05T15:11:43.459+00:00
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Nope. They’re unusable. Power and ground are shorted to GPIOs all over the place. Most critically, two design select lines are shorted to ground, so can not be controlled.
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## message-1501237994244276285
**2026-05-05T15:03:49.481+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1501237994244276285`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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If I had made the locations of the power and ground pads symmetrical in my padring layout, I would still be able to bring up one or two things today with the generic DIP breakout, but as it stands, the COBs I have are bricks.
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## message-1501250874754990322
**2026-05-05T15:55:00.434+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1501250874754990322`
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Oh, the mosbius design on wafer space isn't public ? Can't find a link to the repo with gds and such ?
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## message-1501262332628828242
**2026-05-05T16:40:32.204+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Who was the other person that had custom COBs? They may wanna check theirs too.
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## message-1501264087101870120
**2026-05-05T16:47:30.503+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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That's why I was asking about mosbius above.
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## message-1501264569262276730
**2026-05-05T16:49:25.459+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Althugh when they posted their COB design they did note QR code should be in the NE corner so that should be correct.
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## message-1501271037256667328
**2026-05-05T17:15:07.549+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I believe we have a bunch of your die still here at the bond house
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## message-1501272732078309538
**2026-05-05T17:21:51.626+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - I believe we should be able to get another 20 bonded for you tomorrow. So now is the right time to discover that issue.
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## message-1501272810734096676
**2026-05-05T17:22:10.379+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Thank you
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## message-1501272895308173352
**2026-05-05T17:22:30.543+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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The PCBs are fine, you just need to somehow instruct them to rotate the die 180°
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## message-1501277888337412318
**2026-05-05T17:42:20.974+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1501277888337412318`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Edited: 2026-05-05T17:42:29.804+00:00
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I wonder if a clear indicator of direction would help with preventing this in the future. Say, putting an arrow pointing outwards in one of the two remaining corners of the die, and a corresponding arrow pointing inwards on the PCB silkscreen?
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## message-1501278302730453014
**2026-05-05T17:43:59.773+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Actually, better idea. How would people feel about a script that reads in a padring configuration from a project and generates a KiCad symbol for it?
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## message-1501278562362064996
**2026-05-05T17:45:01.674+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, we are planning some changes around how the corners are filled. @Andrew Wingate suggested keeping the corner opposite of the QR code empty to make the orientation more visible.
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## message-1501278709305442347
**2026-05-05T17:45:36.708+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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That would be great :) We could even integrate it into the precheck.
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## message-1501281932582064138
**2026-05-05T17:58:25.197+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Nickname: Tholin
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**Content**
```text
One thing I *eventually* want to work on (no promises when) is a 3D renderer that produces images of a die as it would appear under a microscope. I don’t think I can model all the quantum effects accurately, but I can approximate how things look specifically for gf180mcu.
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## message-1501282032653963404
**2026-05-05T17:58:49.056+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1501282032653963404`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I realized I’m maybe the only person in here with practical experience with multiple 3D rendering techniques, so I’ve added this to my todo list.
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## message-1501283916601102346
**2026-05-05T18:06:18.224+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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I have been wanting to be able to make colorful images using refraction or other to generate the colors.
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## message-1501284121949896786
**2026-05-05T18:07:07.183+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1501284121949896786`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I’m experimenting with it
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## message-1501284181894893648
**2026-05-05T18:07:21.475+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1501284181894893648`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I’m preparing a layout that is just various dithering patterns in Metal5 and Metal4
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## message-1501284214216065235
**2026-05-05T18:07:29.181+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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To tape out on run2
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## message-1501284284189900850
**2026-05-05T18:07:45.864+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The amount of patterns I can do is limited due to DRC
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## message-1501286819038494811
**2026-05-05T18:17:50.219+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Can't wait to see.
Also Tim and I just landed in china.
Tomoorw we will be visiting the bondhouse and believe you have more boards and die there @Tholin
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## message-1501287049876082948
**2026-05-05T18:18:45.255+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Alright
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## message-1501331867973193728
**2026-05-05T21:16:50.722+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I got this cool photo, at least
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## message-1501478919210008647
**2026-05-06T07:01:10.469+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Could you still check bonding success rate checking for ESD diodes on the pins that are not shorted to GND/PWR.
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## message-1501491977156432042
**2026-05-06T07:53:03.726+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - your die are being inspected by @Andrew Wingate and @Lauri
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## message-1501492253242425435
**2026-05-06T07:54:09.55+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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## message-1501492271999221771
**2026-05-06T07:54:14.022+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1501492271999221771`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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@Tholin - they are going to have like a couple 100mbs of photos of the die under different lighting and magnification for you.
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## message-1501492301430526073
**2026-05-06T07:54:21.039+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Laptop cannot connect to discord from china
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## message-1501492363145511014
**2026-05-06T07:54:35.753+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1501492363145511014`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
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*GBs
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## message-1501497278740037683
**2026-05-06T08:14:07.722+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh wow
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## message-1501497333257469972
**2026-05-06T08:14:20.72+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That is going to be incredibly helpful
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## message-1501534674873225226
**2026-05-06T10:42:43.655+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1501534674873225226`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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The verification of Tiny Tapeout GF0p2 projects can be seen at https://tinytapeout.com/chips/silicon-proven/#ttgf0p2
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## message-1501717697531088956
**2026-05-06T22:49:59.657+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1501717697531088956`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Tholin - Still working with @Andrew Wingate to figure out how to upload the photos somewhere.
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## message-1501720019309039657
**2026-05-06T22:59:13.212+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1501720019309039657`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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How much is the total filesize combined?
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## message-1501720179053170718
**2026-05-06T22:59:51.298+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin - I think about ~35G (but that includes other die captures too).
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## message-1501727016758673569
**2026-05-06T23:27:01.534+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Ah, I see the problem
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## message-1501732154659569766
**2026-05-06T23:47:26.505+00:00 — namibj**
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Make a torrent?
Unless you have need for access restrictions, that is.
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## message-1501733686222000248
**2026-05-06T23:53:31.658+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1501733686222000248`
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I think a random torrent is likely to have more issues with hotel WiFi and China internet than just using rsync to put them on a server I have.
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## message-1501734136652628079
**2026-05-06T23:55:19.049+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1501734136652628079`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Has anyone done simulation using the noise models in the GF180MCU PDK? If so, could you add any info you have to the thread @ https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1501344740350758992
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## message-1502857919622811739
**2026-05-10T02:20:49.788+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1502857933552222340
**2026-05-10T02:20:53.109+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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So what can I do to get Zeptobars doing wafer.space silicon? 😛
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## message-1502964794674778203
**2026-05-10T09:25:30.786+00:00 — Simi (@simi150500)**
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- Author ID: `210834917125390336`
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**Content**
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The wafer.space gf180mcuD JKU multi-project chip is alive! 🥳
Last night, I wired up the DIP adapter PCB on a breadboard. I just supplied the board with 3V3 or 5V via decoupling capacitors, connected my AWG to the clock input and tied the reset input to high... and voila, the sanity bring-up test works. On one digital output, the Super Mario Bros. theme song is played via a buzzer through a PWM signal. 🙌
Nothing fancy, just a quick breadboard build-up and test, but at least we can say that the chip is alive! 🎉
Next, our students can come in and test their own projects. Some motivated students have also decided to build a PCB as part of a seminar work. 🙌
I will also try to pour some dies into epoxy cubers. I have already received the materials for it. I just need to find some time for it. 🙂
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## message-1502967951110967402
**2026-05-10T09:38:03.339+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1502980279545892955
**2026-05-10T10:27:02.667+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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That is very cool!
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## message-1503026804170952724
**2026-05-10T13:31:55.002+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’ve characterized my SCL at the ss_125C_3v00 corner, so all three corners are now done
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## message-1503027153044770816
**2026-05-10T13:33:18.18+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m thinking of doing a 4th characterization at ss_080C_3v10 since that default slowest corner is kindof extreme. I don’t think anybody here needs their chips to be running at 125°C, so I’d like to offer an alternative maximum constraint of "just" 80°C at 3.1V
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## message-1503027524052058112
**2026-05-10T13:34:46.635+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So people can aim for a higher fmax at the tradeoff of a more constrained temperature and voltage range that the part is speced for.
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## message-1503027734111326389
**2026-05-10T13:35:36.717+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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(I’m pretty sure at 125°C you start having other problems, like the epoxy on the COB melting)
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## message-1503349401735663697
**2026-05-11T10:53:48.255+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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Hi, @Tholin! Thanks for your amazing work on 3.3V SCL! Do you plan to extend your library? Because if you do, I would like to ask you to add some kind of delay cell to improve hold fixing. Currently I have problems with increasing a hold margin for my Caravel port, which I would like to do for safety. OpenROAD generates thousands of buffer cells but with only ~100ps delay each it has a hard time and takes a huge area.
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## message-1503376179778814113
**2026-05-11T12:40:12.638+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m currently working on making it easier for people to collaborate to the repo
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## message-1503376234132799669
**2026-05-11T12:40:25.597+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m just one person, unfortunately
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## message-1503378377598304296
**2026-05-11T12:48:56.639+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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A delay buffer appears to be simply two buffers in a trench coat, where the first three inverters have a narrow gate width. You might even want to experiment with the gate length for even larger delays.
See here: https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/digital/standard_cells/gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0/cells/dlya/gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__dlya_1.html
Adjusting Tholin's buffers would probably be a good start.
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## message-1503423864414142475
**2026-05-11T15:49:41.541+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Building SCL releases is now fully automated
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## message-1503423912997032016
**2026-05-11T15:49:53.124+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1503423966847569942
**2026-05-11T15:50:05.963+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Just need to figure out how to actually generated repo releases from the actions output
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## message-1503424123987038278
**2026-05-11T15:50:43.428+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Stretch goal: verify the SCL by building an example project as part of the pipeline
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## message-1503424181058932928
**2026-05-11T15:50:57.035+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Currently blocked by LVS still locking up with the SCL
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## message-1503522678068478083
**2026-05-11T22:22:20.552+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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so help me out here...
can I build an octocore 6502 with 64b addressing?
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## message-1503522697269870744
**2026-05-11T22:22:25.13+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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will that work here?
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## message-1503522841725767820
**2026-05-11T22:22:59.571+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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or similar 'weird stuff'?
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## message-1503523447505162331
**2026-05-11T22:25:24+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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the limitations are your imagination and silicon area
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## message-1503523616124571832
**2026-05-11T22:26:04.202+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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well that and money to pay to a slot on the shuttle
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**2026-05-11T22:27:42.806+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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## message-1503524097043337266
**2026-05-11T22:27:58.862+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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ok, so im only limited by pads (pins) and available 'cells'/transistors?
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## message-1503524162508030143
**2026-05-11T22:28:14.47+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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yeah pretty much
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## message-1503524237053399070
**2026-05-11T22:28:32.243+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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aye, I was talking to those guys, speed is limited to ~33mhz and a small number of pins
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## message-1503524290853605548
**2026-05-11T22:28:45.07+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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that and the knowhow to implement all of the things
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## message-1503524316518547457
**2026-05-11T22:28:51.189+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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i need 80-120 pins, and want to hit 800-1200mhz
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## message-1503524438723792992
**2026-05-11T22:29:20.325+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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I think the pad ring is not that big
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## message-1503524501764177990
**2026-05-11T22:29:35.355+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503524501764177990`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
- Nickname: Wayfarer
- User name: wayfarer.technologies
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it said 56-120+ pads
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## message-1503524653057052773
**2026-05-11T22:30:11.426+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503524653057052773`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
- Nickname: Wayfarer
- User name: wayfarer.technologies
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on the website, so im not sure if we mean different things, perhaps some are multiplexed
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## message-1503524657150693628
**2026-05-11T22:30:12.402+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1503524657150693628`
- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
- Nickname: m_w
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yeah the default isn't that big
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## message-1503524692881969182
**2026-05-11T22:30:20.921+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503524692881969182`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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im not sure yet
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## message-1503524731813625866
**2026-05-11T22:30:30.203+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503524731813625866`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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just getting some conceptual boundaries
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## message-1503524756752957462
**2026-05-11T22:30:36.149+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1503524756752957462`
- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
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you are on your own if you don't use the default
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## message-1503524805994090526
**2026-05-11T22:30:47.889+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503524805994090526`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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```text
ok, 'can I make the whole thing SRAM'?
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## message-1503524835425255564
**2026-05-11T22:30:54.906+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1503524835425255564`
- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
- Nickname: m_w
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sure
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## message-1503524878354223167
**2026-05-11T22:31:05.141+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503524878354223167`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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```text
how many 'cells'?
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## message-1503524924390899875
**2026-05-11T22:31:16.117+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503524924390899875`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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or transistors do i get?
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## message-1503525306210844693
**2026-05-11T22:32:47.15+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1503525306210844693`
- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
- Nickname: m_w
- User name: _mwelling_
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depends on a lot of things
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## message-1503525766980309084
**2026-05-11T22:34:37.006+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1503525766980309084`
- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
- Nickname: m_w
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```text
@Tim 'mithro' Ansell or @tnt might have some approximate numbers
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## message-1503526615664164909
**2026-05-11T22:37:59.348+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1503526615664164909`
- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
- Nickname: m_w
- User name: _mwelling_
- Type: `Default`
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https://mithro.github.io/gf180mcu-project-template/
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## message-1503526772942176457
**2026-05-11T22:38:36.846+00:00 — kris (@kris____)**
- Message ID: `1503526772942176457`
- Author ID: `147848641153990657`
- Nickname: kris
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there's some information here total cells used/% area used: https://github.com/wafer-space/ws-run1/blob/density-report/reticle_density_report.md
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## message-1503526910574067722
**2026-05-11T22:39:09.66+00:00 — Fangame Empire (@fangameempire)**
- Message ID: `1503526910574067722`
- Author ID: `302276509475930112`
- Nickname: Fangame Empire
- User name: fangameempire
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
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TIny Tapeout projects also show the number of cells used in the GDS github action
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## message-1503527015020625920
**2026-05-11T22:39:34.562+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1503527015020625920`
- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
- Nickname: m_w
- User name: _mwelling_
- Type: `Default`
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```text
```
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## message-1503527094016278568
**2026-05-11T22:39:53.396+00:00 — Fangame Empire (@fangameempire)**
- Message ID: `1503527094016278568`
- Author ID: `302276509475930112`
- Nickname: Fangame Empire
- User name: fangameempire
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-05-11T22:40:45.533+00:00
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Here's mine as an example for Tiny Tapeout
https://github.com/FangameEmpire/ttsky26a_spacewar/actions/runs/25696603247
2200 cells ~= 70% of two tiles
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## message-1503527200563925093
**2026-05-11T22:40:18.799+00:00 — Fangame Empire (@fangameempire)**
- Message ID: `1503527200563925093`
- Author ID: `302276509475930112`
- Nickname: Fangame Empire
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Or do you mean wafer.space as a whole
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## message-1503527231803232278
**2026-05-11T22:40:26.247+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1503527231803232278`
- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
- Nickname: m_w
- User name: _mwelling_
- Type: `Default`
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all of this is on the main page
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## message-1503528092315160739
**2026-05-11T22:43:51.409+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Read the little text down below
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## message-1503528134987874454
**2026-05-11T22:44:01.583+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Those are theoretical, using the standard cells included in the temolate
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## message-1503528304873832488
**2026-05-11T22:44:42.087+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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not sure what you are expecting?
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## message-1503528445609640076
**2026-05-11T22:45:15.641+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Oh sorry I am very sleepy and thought you were wayfarer
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## message-1503528499669893341
**2026-05-11T22:45:28.53+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Wow I really need either new glasses or a few more than eight hours of sleep
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## message-1503528511871258756
**2026-05-11T22:45:31.439+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Again really sorry
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## message-1503528631228698816
**2026-05-11T22:45:59.896+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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it is fine just giving the basic idea
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## message-1503528772459171970
**2026-05-11T22:46:33.568+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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looks like its fine for some basic ideas. creating a large sram array with embedded processor is not trivial however
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## message-1503529018119422053
**2026-05-11T22:47:32.138+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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i wasnt sure if the SRAM listed was 'if its all ram' or in addition to some other components
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## message-1503529255106117794
**2026-05-11T22:48:28.64+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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i have some 65xx variations/other architectures im interested in developing, including ML algorithms in vhdl
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## message-1503529318821793843
**2026-05-11T22:48:43.831+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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yeah those are estimates based on the area of a cell and the user area
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## message-1503529575160746085
**2026-05-11T22:49:44.947+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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an octocore 6502 that can chain handle 64b is certainly a goal, as is some math coprocessor for 6502/816 etc
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## message-1503529752068358254
**2026-05-11T22:50:27.125+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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since the tools are free you can run some experiments and get an idea of what you can do
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## message-1503529810989940837
**2026-05-11T22:50:41.173+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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i even have a 4bit 6404 microslice design i might test out someday, as well as a coprocessor for the 6502 that increases address space and some other functions
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## message-1503530006649765919
**2026-05-11T22:51:27.822+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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i mean, im starting on an fpga, i have some ideas for a hardware company and might try to build some custom stuff, presales/crowdsourcing etc to get funded
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## message-1503530171649753178
**2026-05-11T22:52:07.161+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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cool
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## message-1503530236892156074
**2026-05-11T22:52:22.716+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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does a 'smart digital drawing tablet/e-reader' need a 64bit cpu?
what if it uses expired patents from the wacom intuous2 line?
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## message-1503530572352454676
**2026-05-11T22:53:42.696+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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probably not. not a lawyer. 🙂
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## message-1503532521327956088
**2026-05-11T23:01:27.368+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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well, not a legal question, more a theoritical one
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## message-1503532597526139072
**2026-05-11T23:01:45.535+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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there are some cool devices well served by simple hardware
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## message-1503532955245613136
**2026-05-11T23:03:10.822+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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yes it could probably work on a 8 bit processor 🙂
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## message-1503533451800739910
**2026-05-11T23:05:09.21+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503533451800739910`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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now wafer.space just burns the silicon, it has to go to packaging afterwards?
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## message-1503533641555251252
**2026-05-11T23:05:54.451+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1503533641555251252`
- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
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well it does wire bonding to COB if you pay a little extra
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## message-1503533732894867468
**2026-05-11T23:06:16.228+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1503533732894867468`
- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
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but yeah it is a very minimal process
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## message-1503534082188116078
**2026-05-11T23:07:39.506+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
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- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
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notice the cost 🙂
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## message-1503534439454609409
**2026-05-11T23:09:04.685+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1503534439454609409`
- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
- Nickname: m_w
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I think if you want QFN then chipfoundary might be easier path
https://chipfoundry.io/
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## message-1503535476139622472
**2026-05-11T23:13:11.85+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503535476139622472`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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it will all depend on time, energy and money
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## message-1503535859884888244
**2026-05-11T23:14:43.342+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503535859884888244`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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they want 15K usd
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## message-1503536635399245914
**2026-05-11T23:17:48.239+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1503536635399245914`
- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
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- Edited: 2026-05-11T23:23:22.905+00:00
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yeah it is a newer process and packaging is not cheap
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## message-1503540622949220433
**2026-05-11T23:33:38.945+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1503540622949220433`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Unless I forgot, they are (almost?) stricter on the pad ring than the WS COB seems to be, and packaging is _not_ anywhere near 150$/QFN.
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## message-1503540641013960784
**2026-05-11T23:33:43.252+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503540641013960784`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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i mean, if i have volume its probably worth it, though they seem big around risc-v
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## message-1503540975270891662
**2026-05-11T23:35:02.945+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1503540975270891662`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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(IIRC they run the entire lot through the same packaging and just make sure they know afterwards which of the designs that share the reticle ended up in the particular QFN, such that they can keep them sorted.)
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## message-1503541176005820447
**2026-05-11T23:35:50.804+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1503541176005820447`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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WS is comparatively affordable. iirc the early bird pricing was 4$/chip @ 1k
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## message-1503541397842563215
**2026-05-11T23:36:43.694+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1503541397842563215`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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iiuc that assumes packaged via COB onto the mezzazine socketable package/board and the standard pad ring.
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## message-1503542009795842108
**2026-05-11T23:39:09.595+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1503542009795842108`
- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
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yeah this is way cheaper
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## message-1503542095678541904
**2026-05-11T23:39:30.071+00:00 — m_w (@_mwelling_)**
- Message ID: `1503542095678541904`
- Author ID: `329773739061411861`
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per chip
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## message-1503542218529702019
**2026-05-11T23:39:59.361+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503542218529702019`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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like, maybe i can explain... I dream of owning an electronics company. and building ruggedized electronics for hobbyists, education, farmers, truckers and the trade industry... games and art stuff.
my mom has this little "50-in-1" color video game on the back of the bathroom door. it plays pong and a racecar game and checkers and such... its like, 8bit. you can buy these a dime a dozen on 'the bay' or 'the rainforest (amazon)'
none are made i America. I want to be the guy with an American factory that makes these, and e-readers, trail computers, gps, digital logbooks for truckers, a nice 16b drawing tablet. a retro console you can hook up to modern tvs, construction site computers, AR/VR headsets, etc.
"I wanna be the guy" ... who picks red or blue, and makes jobs for some really talented people, while building hardware and software I think it cool.
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## message-1503542386884612197
**2026-05-11T23:40:39.5+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503542386884612197`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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so, if this is a step towards that, I still have years until Im retirement age
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## message-1503542438604574771
**2026-05-11T23:40:51.831+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503542438604574771`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
- Nickname: Wayfarer
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- Edited: 2026-05-11T23:40:59.115+00:00
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and Ill probably want to run this company long after that
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## message-1503542582829912204
**2026-05-11T23:41:26.217+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503542582829912204`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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im ok, not being the biggest, most profitable. I like open hardware design.
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## message-1503542689449246721
**2026-05-11T23:41:51.637+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503542689449246721`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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its going to take 'economy of scale' for any of it to work out at all
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## message-1503542876372598914
**2026-05-11T23:42:36.203+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503542876372598914`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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i probably should have gone for an MBA in finance huh?
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## message-1503544661032173739
**2026-05-11T23:49:41.699+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1503544661032173739`
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ambitious..... like, a lot.
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## message-1503546298660290681
**2026-05-11T23:56:12.14+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503546298660290681`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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yeah, so i want to start small, with some open hardware designs and sell kits
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## message-1503546476041867314
**2026-05-11T23:56:54.431+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503546476041867314`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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i have a masters in instructional design and technology, I was a year away from a phd in computer engineering when my advisor retired
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## message-1503546595520675951
**2026-05-11T23:57:22.917+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503546595520675951`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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im published on a paper about technical risk, the project was a simple 6502 based computer kit for education
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## message-1503546697551450122
**2026-05-11T23:57:47.243+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503546697551450122`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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i plan to open source the design and try to market it to schools, colleges etc, hobbyists
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## message-1503546788584620213
**2026-05-11T23:58:08.947+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503546788584620213`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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i have the parts for the prototype on my desk over there
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## message-1503546871770124289
**2026-05-11T23:58:28.78+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503546871770124289`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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its <$100 usd, and has a lot of support on the 6502 forums
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## message-1503547030478393405
**2026-05-11T23:59:06.619+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503547030478393405`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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beyond this, I want to improve the design to Mk2, and see if I can get it to function as a good calculator/solver
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## message-1503547184216539188
**2026-05-11T23:59:43.273+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503547184216539188`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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maybe, in the next 2 years
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## message-1503547322997411890
**2026-05-12T00:00:16.361+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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id recommend studying a bit of economics and maybe doing an online business course if you're dead set on this idea
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## message-1503547420317978724
**2026-05-12T00:00:39.564+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1503547420317978724`
- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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there are many reasons why things aren't all made in the US, most of them benefit the US more broadly
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## message-1503547526823936200
**2026-05-12T00:01:04.957+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503547526823936200`
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yeah indeed. I have an incomplete in markov processes and I just got into a grad certificate program in nuclear nonproliferation to keep status as a degree seeking student
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## message-1503547685372956795
**2026-05-12T00:01:42.758+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503547685372956795`
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so many people need jobs, and education is really lacking here, Im hoping to address both concerns
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## message-1503547779216310302
**2026-05-12T00:02:05.132+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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well, you're not going to address both concerns without first knowing the stomping ground yourself
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## message-1503547788624007219
**2026-05-12T00:02:07.375+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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if I will accept 'not making millions per year personally', I think I can stay competitive
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## message-1503548071181549780
**2026-05-12T00:03:14.742+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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thats not really how this work
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## message-1503548072129728552
**2026-05-12T00:03:14.968+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503548072129728552`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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yeah my bachelors is interdisciplinary studies, I took a lot of business courses in grad school too, mostly management though... I collect books and recently got a bunch of stuff on economics.. MIT opencourseware might be a good place to look for classes
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## message-1503548463848099964
**2026-05-12T00:04:48.361+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503548463848099964`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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its more an expression of humility, and acknowlegement that manufacturing is all but dead in the US. I thnk it could see a revival though, if Im willing to compete for *market share* instead of *market dominance*, I think ive got some disruptive ideas here
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## message-1503548588423250022
**2026-05-12T00:05:18.062+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1503548588423250022`
- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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you cant run a business without making profit
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## message-1503548618706255942
**2026-05-12T00:05:25.282+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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though, maybe im just being optimistic. do you have a background in business?
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## message-1503548630974332982
**2026-05-12T00:05:28.207+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1503548630974332982`
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manufacturing fights for thin margins
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## message-1503548928199757905
**2026-05-12T00:06:39.071+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503548928199757905`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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well, a nonprofit is a business, profit is its own thing, Im not saying I want to run __this business__ as a non profit, though low margins were more what I was thinking. you cant run a business without being *solvent*, Im aiming for solvency, profit would be great.
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## message-1503549609362985023
**2026-05-12T00:09:21.473+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503549609362985023`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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- User name: wayfarer.technologies
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for example, we quit making tvs in America some years ago.
to understand why, is multifold, though comes down to profit margin, it was just way cheaper to make them in mexico and china, etc. these days india is surging ahead in manufacturing.
environmental regulations, workplace safety, and employee expectations are all a factor.
the thing I can change, is to reduce executive compensation, reduce greed, and focus on other things
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## message-1503549731832598638
**2026-05-12T00:09:50.672+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503549731832598638`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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like, theres a guy, CEO, and instead of making millions a year, they make 70k like the rest of their managers
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## message-1503549816251351101
**2026-05-12T00:10:10.799+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503549816251351101`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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im fine with that, if it creates a sustainable process
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## message-1503549932764790837
**2026-05-12T00:10:38.578+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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yet I understand, my willingness to take a smaller check, is only one factor
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## message-1503550012993437806
**2026-05-12T00:10:57.706+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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do you have much experience running or starting a business?
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## message-1503556849331601488
**2026-05-12T00:38:07.616+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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yes
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## message-1503557155553415168
**2026-05-12T00:39:20.625+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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india is surging in part because theyve been so impoverished for such a long time, and they're being massively impacted by gas shortages right now...
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## message-1503558015050059797
**2026-05-12T00:42:45.545+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503558015050059797`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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awesome. Ive not done a lot of manufacturing. i have some grad certificates relating to entrepreneurship and innovation, though in life sciences, it was a lot of health device regulations, and a grad certificate in organization change and consulting, which is mostly management org psych. Ive run a small business off and on for decades, though mostly just me providing services to others, computer repair, web design and landscaping/lawn care
a far cry from manufacturing electronics, though some stuff is practical experience. like I said I was a year off from a phd in computer engineering (my advisor retired for health reasons). i do what I can here and there.
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## message-1503558144234618951
**2026-05-12T00:43:16.345+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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i would honestly say a few courses in finance/accounting would be very close to an MBA.
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## message-1503558364876247143
**2026-05-12T00:44:08.95+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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ive got the management and regulatory stuff, just not the money side, nor a lot on manufacturing. selling crafts on a small scale yes, not making thousands of units per week or such
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## message-1503558547055837355
**2026-05-12T00:44:52.385+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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now I do think if I move towards used equipment, niche markets and simple designs, I might do ok
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## message-1503558696029126757
**2026-05-12T00:45:27.903+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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ive written a few business plans and work plans over the years.
do you work in semiconductors?
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## message-1503652756865548349
**2026-05-12T06:59:13.754+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1503652756865548349`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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If you want open source semiconductors manufactured in the US, the ChipFoundry.io is your current only choice.
wafer.space is a Singaporean company which provides access to silicon that is manufactured in Singapore by GF.
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## message-1503653419460727025
**2026-05-12T07:01:51.729+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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If you want to build your own "budget silicon foundry" then you might want to check out the HackerFab group. They are doing some interesting stuff but it is more late 1980s / early 1990s level at the moment and definitely not cost competitive for anything in volume.
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## message-1503774848890044437
**2026-05-12T15:04:22.761+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503774848890044437`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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why open source?
do you just mean open access?
i have no problem using a company in singapore, Im not sure why thats important
at some point, if I could get my own machines in house to do this in the US, it would be really cool.
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## message-1503778398248632340
**2026-05-12T15:18:28.994+00:00 — dshadoff**
- Message ID: `1503778398248632340`
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- Edited: 2026-05-12T15:18:42.392+00:00
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Pretty sure "open source" here means that you get access to a PDK without having to sign NDAs, and effectively getting married to the platform
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## message-1503779475987497053
**2026-05-12T15:22:45.947+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503779475987497053`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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gotcha, ok. its just a different use of the jargon
many of these platforms (small business fabrication) want you to use 'their chips' or 'their shell',, and using a template is helpful to some. I just happen to be looking for a place I can have specific control of what Im building
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## message-1503779661719801967
**2026-05-12T15:23:30.229+00:00 — dshadoff**
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Well, that also depends on what's in their PDK - which is also good if you can access it before signing a contract
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## message-1503779748780839074
**2026-05-12T15:23:50.986+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503779748780839074`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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likem the ISAAC/ISAc,, its an ISA/AT-bus controller for small platforms, and it has specifc requirements, so finding a good fit is important
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## message-1503779822768492716
**2026-05-12T15:24:08.626+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503779822768492716`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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is that 'product development kit'?
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## message-1503779987562692681
**2026-05-12T15:24:47.916+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503779987562692681`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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process design kit?
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## message-1503780129506332874
**2026-05-12T15:25:21.758+00:00 — dshadoff**
- Message ID: `1503780129506332874`
- Author ID: `692166844701999105`
- Nickname: dshadoff
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Maybe more like "process". Not sure what it stands for exactly, but it's a definition of things like standard cells and all the nitty gritty that you would need in order to simulate
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## message-1503780336599826442
**2026-05-12T15:26:11.133+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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right, so atm, to get started, today Im looking for a white label company to put my brand name on flashlights
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## message-1503780465121820874
**2026-05-12T15:26:41.775+00:00 — dshadoff**
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- Author ID: `692166844701999105`
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I'm not an expert on the space; just trying to answer a couple of the simpler questions.
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## message-1503780476484059298
**2026-05-12T15:26:44.484+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503780476484059298`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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as I move forward, I have a couple of small devices that require unique silicon
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## message-1503780607698931893
**2026-05-12T15:27:15.768+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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no totally, just a 'today I am', how Im trying to generate capital/revenue
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## message-1503781364149911784
**2026-05-12T15:30:16.12+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503781364149911784`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
- Nickname: Wayfarer
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**Content**
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ISAAC is an 8b AT/ISA bus controller.
it pairs with a 6502, an lcd driver (like an EVE or Epson SD chip), and similar chips
plus we are looking for an audio driver/processor for a set of small handheld devices
so Tiny Tapeout might be a good choice for that audio chip, they cant handle an ISA controller (not enough pins)
their VGA experiments are rudimentary, and so wafer.space seems more our speed for a couple of these
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## message-1503781724197486602
**2026-05-12T15:31:41.962+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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tiny tapeouot is 'very cool', they just dont have the 'oomph' in terms of capabilities for a lot of stuff.
maybe for a 4bit microslice or 8b math coprocessor, etc
wafer.space, seems 'bigger', though its 1000 'units' at $4000+
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## message-1503782063680126997
**2026-05-12T15:33:02.901+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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TinyTapeout is just a multi-project-per-die system for getting onto multi-project wafers. I.e. the last wafer.space run also had a TinyTapeout as one of the projects.
Think of it like a multi-board PCB house, and TinyTapeout is splitting one of the boards amongst friends who are all sharing the same physical PCB
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## message-1503782355263951011
**2026-05-12T15:34:12.42+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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meaning the wafer.space and the tinytapeout projects that ran on GF180 had the same capabilities (made in the same fab etc), just different amount of silicon to work with
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## message-1503783090575642624
**2026-05-12T15:37:07.732+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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ok gotcha, it just seems like they are more limited overall
another place I looked required riscV in some manner.
finding the right fabricator is certainly going to be an important step.
I just dont want to get locked into 'building for a system and its constraints'
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## message-1503783631972471076
**2026-05-12T15:39:16.811+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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so far, wafer.space seems to be 'the most open' or 'blank slate' I can find
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## message-1503784220529524987
**2026-05-12T15:41:37.134+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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It will be more limited mainly because you're sharing silicon and pins with other projects, yes.
If you are mostly in "digital" land, RTL (the programming language for hardware) is mostly portable. You can take the RTL for a RISC processor and tape it out on both Sky130 and GF180 (or TSMC 65 etc etc) without too much fuss. The trick is that most fabs require you to sign an NDA to get the process kit that lets you actually "synthesize" the transistors.
So without that NDA, you're limited to the handful of open fabs like Sky130, GF180, and whatever the IHP one is
That said, you're still going to have to build for a system in mind. I.e. older nodes aren't very efficient for SRAM so it ends up eating a ton of space and you're design will reflect that. Newer nodes are trickier with analog, etc etc
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## message-1503784252351709255
**2026-05-12T15:41:44.721+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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so 'standard cells', is this like fpga LUTs?
i see it thrown around, its ~4-20 transistors right?
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## message-1503784702878810133
**2026-05-12T15:43:32.135+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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im a vhdl guy, and yes, a lot of this is new jargon. i think i see what yo are saying though at least to some degree
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## message-1503785154110554212
**2026-05-12T15:45:19.717+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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a "standard cell" will be basic components like AND, OR, NOT, NAND etc as well as things like buffers, inverters, delay cells, flip flops. You can see the full list here for gf180: https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/digital/standard_cells/standard_cells.html
But yeah each is like 3-10 transistors depending on complexity
Your VHDL gets synthesized to this base list of standard cells, then OpenRoad (or proprietary software) places and routes connections to all those cells like a PCB autorouter
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## message-1503785382448337037
**2026-05-12T15:46:14.157+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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ok, gotcha. so 'standard cell' ~= 'gate or feature'
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## message-1503785559091576912
**2026-05-12T15:46:56.272+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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yep pretty much 🙂 so if you switch fabs, you get a new PDK with a new set of standard cells, but the synth -> place -> route process is mostly automated. Hit recompile and essentially rebuild the same logic on a new fab process
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## message-1503785602418741369
**2026-05-12T15:47:06.602+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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how many cells do i get for a 1x1 die?
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## message-1503785844622884964
**2026-05-12T15:48:04.348+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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scroll down to "Theoretical maximum standard cell density" on the wafer.space website and Tim has some numbers, as well as real numbers from the first Run
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## message-1503786116539617332
**2026-05-12T15:49:09.178+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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most dense real design was ~316k logic cells it looks like
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## message-1503786330641924317
**2026-05-12T15:50:00.224+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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i found it, so it will vary based on routing/complexity
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## message-1503786417648570468
**2026-05-12T15:50:20.968+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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yep!
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## message-1503786557474078720
**2026-05-12T15:50:54.305+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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im getting '100k cells average' at a glance, more if you are optimized, maybe 150k
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## message-1503786777310396426
**2026-05-12T15:51:46.718+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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so it is certainly realistic to consider "an 8 core 6502, that has a 64b mode"
or similar levels of complexity.... you could put an 80386 on here ok
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## message-1503786947074723850
**2026-05-12T15:52:27.193+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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i think this is probably a good fit for me in the long run, once I have a more concrete design.
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## message-1503787846157205666
**2026-05-12T15:56:01.551+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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couldn't say, outside my experience 🙂 but someone taped out a Z80, and iirc the 6502 was a really old fab node (like 10um or something?) so probably very doable. For me at least, the biggest hurdle was just SRAM size because I didn't want to deal with off-chip flash. there's gobs of space if you're just doing digital logic without much need for memory
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## message-1503787978827366622
**2026-05-12T15:56:33.182+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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(work time, bbl!)
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## message-1503788073966637086
**2026-05-12T15:56:55.865+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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yeah 6502 had no on chip ram, though adding some is certainly a goal
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## message-1503788137682305064
**2026-05-12T15:57:11.056+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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have a good day, Im hunting drop shipping suppliers here for some working money
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## message-1503790413633290291
**2026-05-12T16:06:13.685+00:00 — dshadoff**
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Well, also keep in mind that 6502 was NMOS, not CMOS - everything nowadays is CMOS. But wafer.space does have 5V logic standard cells available.
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## message-1503790503764955248
**2026-05-12T16:06:35.174+00:00 — dshadoff**
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- Author ID: `692166844701999105`
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(I expect most places would concentrate on 3.3V logic and I/Os)
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## message-1503790521079042119
**2026-05-12T16:06:39.302+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503790521079042119`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
- Nickname: Wayfarer
- User name: wayfarer.technologies
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65c02 and 65ce02 were cmos
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## message-1503790568843509841
**2026-05-12T16:06:50.69+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503790568843509841`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
- Nickname: Wayfarer
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they still make the 65c02 today
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## message-1503790594403729628
**2026-05-12T16:06:56.784+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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iu just want custom chips
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## message-1503790709235384512
**2026-05-12T16:07:24.162+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503790709235384512`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
- Nickname: Wayfarer
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i should say '6502 based'
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## message-1503790727954432091
**2026-05-12T16:07:28.625+00:00 — dshadoff**
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- Author ID: `692166844701999105`
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Yes, I'm just mentioning it in case you were planning on making a plug-in replacement, threshold levels and so on would need to be considered
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## message-1503790870829469836
**2026-05-12T16:08:02.689+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503790870829469836`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
- Nickname: Wayfarer
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no, im more looking at the ce02 variant and going my own direction while maintaing the overall Instruction Set
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## message-1503791043177349280
**2026-05-12T16:08:43.78+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503791043177349280`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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6509 is a cool design, it had more memory/address space and better conforms to the AT bus
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## message-1503791318298787943
**2026-05-12T16:09:49.374+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503791318298787943`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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i have a portable 8b game platform that can plug into a tv and upscale from 480x270 or so to fHD built for the 8b style of games. marketed at hobbyists, enthusiasts etc
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## message-1503791466324037704
**2026-05-12T16:10:24.666+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503791466324037704`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
- Nickname: Wayfarer
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it needs either a 'full 6502 based SoC', or the ISAAC I mentioned and such
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## message-1503791687502266488
**2026-05-12T16:11:17.399+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503791687502266488`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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im almost certain if I could fab out some 6502s (based systems) with onboard ram and better i/o I could sell a few thousand, its just getting everything lined up
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## message-1503791858877337782
**2026-05-12T16:11:58.258+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503791858877337782`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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beyond these designs, Im looking at ML algorithms implemented in hardware, in-memory and near-memory computing etc
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## message-1503791946869641259
**2026-05-12T16:12:19.237+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1503791946869641259`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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6502 stuff is my playground though, how Ill learn the basics
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## message-1503861324591923352
**2026-05-12T20:48:00.175+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1503861324591923352`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
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I finally got back to collect my bare dies! The quarter slot ones are very small. https://hachyderm.io/@rebelmike/116563528101924895
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## message-1504038196810617043
**2026-05-13T08:30:49.798+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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those look so small you could accidentally inhale one
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## message-1504045670703566979
**2026-05-13T09:00:31.713+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Yes, they are tiny!
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## message-1504127113471594646
**2026-05-13T14:24:09.182+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Update: the dies are right side up this time
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## message-1504127169067221022
**2026-05-13T14:24:22.437+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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You can tell I designed this back in december
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## message-1504128410522222732
**2026-05-13T14:29:18.423+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Is that a centurion emulator ? 🙂
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## message-1504135861283848242
**2026-05-13T14:58:54.823+00:00 — namibj**
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EPC-co does N"MOS" (for practical intents it's basically a 5V node with very good support for extended drains)
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## message-1504136607509385328
**2026-05-13T15:01:52.737+00:00 — dshadoff**
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Yeah, I don't know all the differences, but it's just important to understand if something is being designed as replacement.
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## message-1504137056979390535
**2026-05-13T15:03:39.899+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I actually have plans to make a 6502 nmos in gf180. I got the original netlist remapped to gf180 transistors 😅 And I got it running basic instructions in a spice sims.
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## message-1504137296562360382
**2026-05-13T15:04:37.02+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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(ok, well I'm cheating a bit, I had to remap the depletion loads as pull-ups implemented by pmos wired as diodes ... )
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## message-1504138921519612015
**2026-05-13T15:11:04.44+00:00 — namibj**
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Ok, so, gf18mcud I understand to have unusual routing density relative to transistor size that's clear when looking at routed digital standard cell section when zoomed in enough to fit only around a dozen or so cells on screen?
I heard about as much?
And the minimum 3.3V transistors have as minimum available threshold voltage still at healthily-low 0.53/0.63/0.73 (min/typ/max)?
I really should look at how complex that lets MCML gates get without making them unusably slow...
(I should at least get a VCO+serializer cell ready for the Run2 deadline, better hurry while there's still time.)
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## message-1504139112184152307
**2026-05-13T15:11:49.898+00:00 — namibj**
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They used negative threshold voltage nmos there?
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## message-1504139333643538547
**2026-05-13T15:12:42.698+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh they don't do it in silicon, just _on_ silicon substrates 😄
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## message-1504139395706523851
**2026-05-13T15:12:57.495+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yeah they were using , depletion nmos.
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## message-1504140167252803594
**2026-05-13T15:16:01.446+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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DACs work, surprisingly
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## message-1504141007875211386
**2026-05-13T15:19:21.866+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I assume you have opamp / buffer in the path ?
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## message-1504141133977096235
**2026-05-13T15:19:51.931+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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On the chip, yes
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## message-1504141200016281610
**2026-05-13T15:20:07.676+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Not on the board ?
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## message-1504141309747925054
**2026-05-13T15:20:33.838+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Then yeah, I'm surprised it works because your wires were looking awefully thin for a 75R load 😅
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## message-1504144710917165166
**2026-05-13T15:34:04.74+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The opamps I built are rated for a 1Kohm load *at best*
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## message-1504144835035004948
**2026-05-13T15:34:34.332+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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At least, according to simulation
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## message-1504144858053607495
**2026-05-13T15:34:39.82+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Was the sim wrong?
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## message-1504144868115746989
**2026-05-13T15:34:42.219+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Maybe?
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## message-1504154581024768130
**2026-05-13T16:13:17.957+00:00 — namibj**
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how do you mean, "rated"?
Also note that the screen probably does AGC and especially including shelf-based DC offset correction, by sensing the black level left and right of the painted area. That part is actually electrically trivial.
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## message-1504154604764659852
**2026-05-13T16:13:23.617+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Look! 24-bit color!
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## message-1504154624590872577
**2026-05-13T16:13:28.344+00:00 — namibj**
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yay
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## message-1504154676793180261
**2026-05-13T16:13:40.79+00:00 — namibj**
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(how? 8bit on-die DAC?)
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## message-1504154690097778769
**2026-05-13T16:13:43.962+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Something's off here
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## message-1504154719566827762
**2026-05-13T16:13:50.988+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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On-die DAC, yeah
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## message-1504154866220662945
**2026-05-13T16:14:25.953+00:00 — namibj**
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doesn't look like analog artifacting though. Code broken?
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## message-1504155090926440489
**2026-05-13T16:15:19.527+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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There are no latches between the combinatorial color-generating logic and the DACs, so we're seeing some intermediary states make it to the display. Wild.
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## message-1504155147071131741
**2026-05-13T16:15:32.913+00:00 — namibj**
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huh
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## message-1504155225282449529
**2026-05-13T16:15:51.56+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Because its analog, the signal is continuous and this can happen
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## message-1504155238871990305
**2026-05-13T16:15:54.8+00:00 — namibj**
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I question the why
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## message-1504155294610096129
**2026-05-13T16:16:08.089+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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This also means the DACs can switch way faster than 25MHz. Incredible.
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## message-1504155300091920465
**2026-05-13T16:16:09.396+00:00 — namibj**
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assuming you have a sense of a pixel clock ofc
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## message-1504155383483076788
**2026-05-13T16:16:29.278+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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We're seeing intermediary states as the combinatorial logic settles
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## message-1504157023619514499
**2026-05-13T16:23:00.317+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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!
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## message-1504157038408765521
**2026-05-13T16:23:03.843+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I completely forgot!
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## message-1504157114107695348
**2026-05-13T16:23:21.891+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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All of the VGA demos were build using my custom, high speed D-flip-flop standard cell
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## message-1504157180599996609
**2026-05-13T16:23:37.744+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1504157180599996609`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Replacing the PDK’s DFF
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## message-1504157219971924069
**2026-05-13T16:23:47.131+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I did not even realize it was working this whole time
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## message-1504161280821432523
**2026-05-13T16:39:55.313+00:00 — namibj**
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is the PDK one's (that) bad?
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## message-1504167562886516879
**2026-05-13T17:04:53.074+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its optimized for area, not speed
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## message-1504167581462954014
**2026-05-13T17:04:57.503+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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So it depends on what your needs are
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## message-1504167974108532786
**2026-05-13T17:06:31.117+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The NTSC video generator also works
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## message-1504168045273419867
**2026-05-13T17:06:48.084+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1504168045273419867`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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All the gray levels!
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## message-1504168111182450710
**2026-05-13T17:07:03.798+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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It should also be able to do PAL, I'll test that next
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## message-1504168168283836488
**2026-05-13T17:07:17.412+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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But this is a VERY cheap video out option
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## message-1504168278942159031
**2026-05-13T17:07:43.795+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1504168278942159031`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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A single analog pin and the little area for the DAC
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## message-1504171179911418017
**2026-05-13T17:19:15.44+00:00 — namibj**
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a single? you mean for the composite mode?
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## message-1504171600570745014
**2026-05-13T17:20:55.733+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its only greyscale video
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## message-1504183112106639551
**2026-05-13T18:06:40.297+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I am using my GFMPW-1 chip to help bring up this one. I think that means I've come full circle.
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## message-1504310575675473930
**2026-05-14T02:33:09.98+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Well..... that works
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## message-1504509389237653589
**2026-05-14T15:43:10.827+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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RISC-V core works, blinking some LEDs
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## message-1504509745506287827
**2026-05-14T15:44:35.768+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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RV32IMA_Zicsr_Smrnmi
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## message-1504509811939868845
**2026-05-14T15:44:51.607+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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In a 6502-compatible pinout
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## message-1504515886315208794
**2026-05-14T16:08:59.851+00:00 — namibj**
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so C64 hardware compatible just ofc needs new ROMs?
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## message-1504517646836830321
**2026-05-14T16:15:59.592+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yes
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## message-1504517723298861067
**2026-05-14T16:16:17.822+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1504517723298861067`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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On this die I have both a 6510/6502 clone that is as accurate to the original as possible
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## message-1504517788096528445
**2026-05-14T16:16:33.271+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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And a RISC-V core with a 6502 or 6510 compatible pinout
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## message-1504517881184915466
**2026-05-14T16:16:55.465+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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A little solder jumper switches between the two on this breakout
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## message-1504532242469486723
**2026-05-14T17:13:59.462+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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im a 6502 guy, what are you implementing the 6502 on?
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## message-1504532715607818351
**2026-05-14T17:15:52.267+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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is that here through these dies? backscrolling a little. looks like you are doing some very cool stuff
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## message-1504572537261133974
**2026-05-14T19:54:06.489+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Taped it out on the last shuttle here
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## message-1504572646245924954
**2026-05-14T19:54:32.473+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I managed to bring up one more project from my die, and its the last one I’m able to bring up with what I have here
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## message-1504572898554413066
**2026-05-14T19:55:32.628+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its a purposefully simplistic 8-bit CPU with only 16 instructions and 64 bytes of memory on-die and you’re supposed to enter a program using some DIP switches before letting it run
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## message-1504572913397792858
**2026-05-14T19:55:36.167+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1504572996893802571
**2026-05-14T19:55:56.074+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its been sitting on my desk, happily counting up on the output port
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## message-1504573136451010691
**2026-05-14T19:56:29.347+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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**Content**
```text
Here is where I assembled the program by hand
```
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## message-1504573149424124077
**2026-05-14T19:56:32.44+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1504573149424124077`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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Took a minute to enter it
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## message-1504575968843403460
**2026-05-14T20:07:44.642+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1504575968843403460`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1504575968843403460
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```text
This tests the inputs as well, so running this now
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## message-1504576024430510240
**2026-05-14T20:07:57.895+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1504576024430510240`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1504576024430510240
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The clock is just a 555 timer running at ~40Hz, so you can watch it go
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## message-1504576121276993778
**2026-05-14T20:08:20.985+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1504576121276993778`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-05-14T20:08:38.211+00:00
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Its like a lil educational thing
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## message-1504636220297318491
**2026-05-15T00:07:09.708+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1504636220297318491`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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I messed up something bad with these chips, btw
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## message-1504636264761266217
**2026-05-15T00:07:20.309+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1504636264761266217`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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They get extremely hot just sitting there, powered up, with the clock stopped
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## message-1504636532118781962
**2026-05-15T00:08:24.052+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1504636532118781962`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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And I’ve had a few randomly die on me by now
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## message-1504636727308976189
**2026-05-15T00:09:10.589+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1504636727308976189`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-05-15T00:09:15.386+00:00
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I think its actually thermal expansion stresses destroying the bond wires or deforming the mezzanine connector
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## message-1504637137612705823
**2026-05-15T00:10:48.413+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1504637137612705823`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I’m not sure where the problem is, but I hope its just me
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## message-1504647519102046384
**2026-05-15T00:52:03.553+00:00 — Thomas Dexter (@tdextrous)**
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## message-1504657336193646592
**2026-05-15T01:31:04.13+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1504657336193646592`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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There are two major secrets on my die, but I don’t think I’ll reveal them yet, considering that other people have some of my dies
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## message-1504678884174598144
**2026-05-15T02:56:41.569+00:00 — namibj**
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do you know how much power they eat?
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## message-1504717807508787210
**2026-05-15T05:31:21.615+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1504717807508787210`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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TT chips eat very little current (less than 10.mA) and are dead cold.
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## message-1504725758671716392
**2026-05-15T06:02:57.32+00:00 — Vipul (@vipul.sh)**
- Message ID: `1504725758671716392`
- Author ID: `1214459146217201704`
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GF180 pdk also supports 10V ldmos. Do wafer.space shuttles allow 10V high‑voltage designs; have there been tapeouts using these devices?
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## message-1504730665705537729
**2026-05-15T06:22:27.248+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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It does not seem that LDMOS requires any additional mask layers. So as long as your design is DRC clean, you're good to go. As far as I know, there hasn't been a design using them on https://github.com/wafer-space/ws-run1
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## message-1504736830954799109
**2026-05-15T06:46:57.158+00:00 — Vipul (@vipul.sh)**
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## message-1504818730075689000
**2026-05-15T12:12:23.43+00:00 — namibj**
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Which of those blocks was doing the 6502/6510 impression here, and is that actual C64 hardware?: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1408134567491145728/1499778621341040782
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## message-1504835756097667273
**2026-05-15T13:20:02.75+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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as65xx
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## message-1504835797692710922
**2026-05-15T13:20:12.667+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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On a C64C
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## message-1504856362549772508
**2026-05-15T14:41:55.711+00:00 — namibj**
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Ahhh oki!
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## message-1505606053981589706
**2026-05-17T16:20:56.077+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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My chips keep dying
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## message-1505606522556649642
**2026-05-17T16:22:47.794+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Same pattern every time: chip works continuously for as long as I keep it powered (from 30 minutes to several hours), but as soon as I power it down, it will not power back up. Instantly glitches out.
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## message-1505606597362057388
**2026-05-17T16:23:05.629+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I think that means thermal expansion and contraction are tearing things appart.
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## message-1505606768380874822
**2026-05-17T16:23:46.403+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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With as little as a single heating/cooling cycle being enough
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## message-1505609282601877586
**2026-05-17T16:33:45.84+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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try a heatsink ? (Polishing a bit of the top epoxy to flatten it)
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## message-1505609617177055282
**2026-05-17T16:35:05.609+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I don’t think the epoxy is very thermally conductive
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## message-1505609873637904425
**2026-05-17T16:36:06.754+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Contributing to the severity of this problem is definitely that the COB PCB is small and thus provides little thermal mass. Even though the die is in direct contact with it, heat is able to build up.
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## message-1505610064944304138
**2026-05-17T16:36:52.365+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The air bubbles present in the epoxy of most boards also generate weak points and bottlenecks where heat and expansion stresses are able to build up.
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## message-1505610357824164151
**2026-05-17T16:38:02.193+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Though I am in a unique spot of my dies generating a high static power consumption due to a layout flaw, dies with sufficient logic density and clock speeds can generate comparable power consumptions. For instance, the AS2650v2 from GFMPW-1 generates comparable power consumption at 50MHz.
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## message-1505610405303554109
**2026-05-17T16:38:13.513+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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That's a problem with transparent ... normal qfn are glass filled to match silicon expansion better
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## message-1505610473834545172
**2026-05-17T16:38:29.852+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So, I may not be the last person to face this issue this shuttle
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## message-1505610734221135896
**2026-05-17T16:39:31.933+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I had issue with manually bonded ihp chip where hot air reflow would kill the chip and they only tolerated controlled reflow cycle.
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## message-1505610908657782914
**2026-05-17T16:40:13.522+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Did you identify the layout flaw BTW?
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## message-1505611036055703705
**2026-05-17T16:40:43.896+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Probably the DACs
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## message-1505611226414186658
**2026-05-17T16:41:29.281+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its either that, or the 9-track SCL
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## message-1505611263672058078
**2026-05-17T16:41:38.164+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I do not believe there is anything wrong with the 7-track SCL
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## message-1505612417760100433
**2026-05-17T16:46:13.32+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Maybe there is some other connector that could be used for the COB that allows heat to be transfered away more efficiently?
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## message-1505612943520432128
**2026-05-17T16:48:18.671+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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It sucks that there was no separate analog supply voltage on wafer.space like there was on caravel. I could’ve isolated the fault otherwise.
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## message-1505613711711142120
**2026-05-17T16:51:21.822+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So, I guess I’m sitting on a bunch of dies now that just like to cook themselves to death :/
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## message-1505613824009441402
**2026-05-17T16:51:48.596+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Not ideal. I was planning to see if I could prototype some actual products with these, but I can’t sell something that draws power like mad and then self-destructs within the hour
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## message-1505617321060995142
**2026-05-17T17:05:42.358+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Huh ... there were pads assigned for that... pwr aux
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## message-1505632698197348362
**2026-05-17T18:06:48.553+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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In other news: the two designs on here that have an audio output and use my DACs for this purpose have some ugly artifacting and clipping on the audio.
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## message-1505632783496773763
**2026-05-17T18:07:08.89+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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This is what I get for not buffering the data going to the DACs
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## message-1505632881630773340
**2026-05-17T18:07:32.287+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Imagine this, but in an audio signal 😬
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## message-1505635596297830592
**2026-05-17T18:18:19.514+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1505635596297830592`
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I promised that I’d tape out something to test my 3.3V SCL this time around, so I’ll just do this same die, but with my SCL
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## message-1505635656372715591
**2026-05-17T18:18:33.837+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Since it features projects of varying complexity, this should be a good test
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## message-1505635827043143690
**2026-05-17T18:19:14.528+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I also want to use the level-shifting IO pads if possible, see if a 5V IO voltage and 3.3V core voltage are possible. Are those still in the works?
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## message-1505637950749278209
**2026-05-17T18:27:40.859+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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They are done. We used them in TT in run 1 and they work fine.
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## message-1505638278236475605
**2026-05-17T18:28:58.938+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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They’re not part of the template yet?
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## message-1505652510327570513
**2026-05-17T19:25:32.133+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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No the template uses the GF ones
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## message-1505652716893114528
**2026-05-17T19:26:21.382+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Ah, then I just gotta figure out how to use the level-shifting ones. Got it.
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## message-1505670809081876540
**2026-05-17T20:38:14.896+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I will probably pre-release the template with the open_pdks PDK at the end of this week, which includes all of the libraries, including the setup for Tim's I/Os.
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## message-1505913575942656122
**2026-05-18T12:42:55.026+00:00 — namibj**
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Also it looks like you're using thin generic auto routing for the power paths from the buf12's to the resistor arrays?
Btw I am still trying to get a functioning extraction going I'm currently trying with an edited form of the klayout final GDS where I added unique pad labels at the top level and then deleted all other labels and then flattened everything into a single cell; that's currently loading or undergoing lvs in magic (don't seem to get progress between those; it was still growing in RAM usage until a few minutes ago (currently 17 minutes into that run)).
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## message-1505913780343673053
**2026-05-18T12:43:43.759+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh I think it just loaded; it just said it snapped to lambda grid.
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## message-1505942323232637018
**2026-05-18T14:37:08.914+00:00 — namibj**
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ram usage is steadily climbing; now to 20.4G.
Really need to find a less-serial way to do PEX/LVS extraction of represenative SPICE from GDS.
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## message-1505960346924613639
**2026-05-18T15:48:46.097+00:00 — namibj**
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oh it's up to 25.7 and started extracting PEX; though it's currently still sitting there with an empty `.ext` file.
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## message-1505985508650516561
**2026-05-18T17:28:45.12+00:00 — namibj**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1505998847095210034
**2026-05-18T18:21:45.253+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Shouldn't you be able to see the thermal stress under a microscope?
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## message-1506000499349000423
**2026-05-18T18:28:19.181+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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FWIW - That is @Tim Edwards' I/O.
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## message-1506003259066945537
**2026-05-18T18:39:17.149+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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The microscope I have is.... not good
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## message-1506005201130360913
**2026-05-18T18:47:00.173+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1506005201130360913`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
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Are you sure it's not a case of backfeeding the chip from IO lines after VDD collapses?
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## message-1506052438807806033
**2026-05-18T21:54:42.513+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1506052438807806033`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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**Content**
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@BreakingTaps - The gds diagrams now have pin numbers in theory -
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## message-1506053347604693133
**2026-05-18T21:58:19.187+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1506053347604693133`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@RebelMike / @Greg - Could you review https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vMY6zjG4CcHUhjHQbyqoTHZUeJpAVzneXSWS_5HG-a0/edit?gid=1345054922#gid=1345054922 and see if it makes any sense to you?
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## message-1506055375743357071
**2026-05-18T22:06:22.733+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1506055375743357071`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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woo!
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## message-1506072747799740521
**2026-05-18T23:15:24.554+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1506367329674592346
**2026-05-19T18:45:58.346+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1506367329674592346`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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This may have been a but stupid, but I decided to let one of my chips run for a few minutes to get it up to temperature and then pressed my thumb against the epoxy blob, not particularly hard, though.
Chip instantly dies.
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## message-1506367404610158672
**2026-05-19T18:46:16.212+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1506367404610158672`
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Lets not do that again
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## message-1506371758830129402
**2026-05-19T19:03:34.339+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1506371758830129402`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I am running out of working COBs
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## message-1506382813732143124
**2026-05-19T19:47:30.033+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1506382813732143124`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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How much power does your chip use ?
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## message-1506385972936310955
**2026-05-19T20:00:03.246+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1506385972936310955`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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210mA just sitting there with the clock stopped
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## message-1506386188179865600
**2026-05-19T20:00:54.564+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1506386188179865600`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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Oh ... I see your power output stage for your opamp is class A ... biased with ~ 43 times the reference current which should be about 1 mA so each DAC will burn through ~ 43 mA.
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## message-1506386979208564896
**2026-05-19T20:04:03.16+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1506386979208564896`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Uhhh.... oops?
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## message-1506390052400267335
**2026-05-19T20:16:15.866+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Oh wow you have 10 of them 😅 Obviously I'm a little off if it's "only" burning 210 mA ...
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## message-1506390316155015239
**2026-05-19T20:17:18.75+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1506390316155015239`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Or it *would* be burning more, but the power grid can’t do any more
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## message-1506390393120493629
**2026-05-19T20:17:37.1+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1506390393120493629`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I’m not sure how to fix this, but I gotta try
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## message-1506390591678714008
**2026-05-19T20:18:24.44+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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So, not sure if you can control their output, but if their output is high ( like 5V ) they will consume less.
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## message-1506390906138267729
**2026-05-19T20:19:39.413+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1506390906138267729`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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The default state for most of them is it to output 0V
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## message-1506391098556416161
**2026-05-19T20:20:25.289+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1506391098556416161`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Yeah that's the worse case ... since the pmos ( which are configured as basically 40 mA current source ) try to pull them up and then the nmos has to override that by drawing all the current it can ...
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## message-1506391935743430666
**2026-05-19T20:23:44.89+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So I need a better output stage
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## message-1506392284588146822
**2026-05-19T20:25:08.061+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yes, you want a class B or AB stage / push-pull. Here it's basically an internal pull-up wth a pull-down drive transistor. Great for linearity, but heats up like crazy.
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## message-1506392549634343163
**2026-05-19T20:26:11.253+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Idk why, but I thought I was building a B stage
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## message-1506392673177698485
**2026-05-19T20:26:40.708+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I must’ve confirmation biased hard
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## message-1506392735354196171
**2026-05-19T20:26:55.532+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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In any case, I now know to check circuit current consumption in spice
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## message-1506404278477131796
**2026-05-19T21:12:47.627+00:00 — namibj**
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meanwhile me and Tim are on trying to get a state where it's feasible to simulate static power draw of an entire wafer.space die in less than 2 days on my workstation.
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## message-1506404532597555221
**2026-05-19T21:13:48.214+00:00 — namibj**
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(This could have been visible but it's not yet feasible to exact enough to really see this sadly as resistance extraction is still plagued by some legacy data structures.)
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## message-1506405799810039999
**2026-05-19T21:18:50.341+00:00 — namibj**
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I'd see about putting a good cooling option right against the opamp area, like a heatpipe with thermal expansion matching epoxy right at the spot?
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## message-1506406175816548402
**2026-05-19T21:20:19.988+00:00 — namibj**
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it's the non-dark-rectangle area bottom right on the image; the bond wires seem far enough away to pull that trick off from my POV at least.
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## message-1506429781292486797
**2026-05-19T22:54:07.972+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Actually, I think the reference current is just under 0.5mA, so 21mA, multiplied by 11 DACs is 231mA
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## message-1506441783155097611
**2026-05-19T23:41:49.439+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Wait, why can’t I Just do this on the right here?
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## message-1506444589530087597
**2026-05-19T23:52:58.531+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Eh, not much better
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## message-1506444864378765413
**2026-05-19T23:54:04.06+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But this feels unavoidable
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## message-1506445227676668025
**2026-05-19T23:55:30.677+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I just need to remember to have the DACs held with the highest possible output when not used
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## message-1506445530107084933
**2026-05-19T23:56:42.782+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m gonna need to re-do this whole layout for 3.3V operation soon
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## message-1506463658262139062
**2026-05-20T01:08:44.871+00:00 — namibj**
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**Content**
```text
May I suggest doing my style of DAC instead? I.e., R2R DAC with one end terminated to ground and driven by sufficiently beefy D-latches, conveniently arranged around the resistors?
And/or power gating the amplifier itself? That "Adj" there looks like a good point to hook in; just gate the input with a series pmos and shunt the gate with a pmos to VDD and then clamp the drain node of XM9 to VSS with an nmos.
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## message-1506463737232752650
**2026-05-20T01:09:03.699+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1506463737232752650`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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(just needs to be strong enough to overcome the leakage of XM9 pretty much)
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## message-1506464035523264614
**2026-05-20T01:10:14.817+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1506464035523264614`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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or, alternatively, clamp down the output stage gate node after blocking off the bias current from reaching XM2's drain/gate; that should work just as well
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## message-1506466801637265489
**2026-05-20T01:21:14.31+00:00 — namibj**
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if you could afford a LUT to map 8bit target to DAC code you could fix the non-linearity there, just fyi.
I'm pretty sure it would fit.
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## message-1506468894804807820
**2026-05-20T01:29:33.36+00:00 — namibj**
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(I am offering to help by porting my ttsky26a DAC to gf180mcuD. It's an R-4R architecture with latches smothering the resistor array at a matched pitch. It thus occupies about 1 base logic cell height plus 1 per each two digits of it; the 17-digit version I got onto ttsky26a is nominally about base-`1.64039` so `4509.21` count aka `12.1387` ENOB (bit equivalent).)
For 8 ENOB that's naively 11.2 digits, so round up to 12 it is.)
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## message-1506469128624541806
**2026-05-20T01:30:29.107+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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(Just please let me know what cell library to do this for; the plan is that one would have the drives to the latches conveniently PnR'd around the block that just happens to be several cells tall.)
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## message-1506541396314820639
**2026-05-20T06:17:39.067+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1506541396314820639`
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I guesstimated the current just based on the resistor value and "estimated" Vds, obviously I estimated it way lower than it was 😅
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## message-1506599372031266886
**2026-05-20T10:08:01.555+00:00 — grep.cat**
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Does someone know whether these ceramic carrier DIP's can be bought in small quantities somewhere?
And I assume @Tholin 's red COB PCB is custom made? Or is that the 70-Pin Mezzanine COB from wafer.space?
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## message-1506605915124531210
**2026-05-20T10:34:01.55+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It's a customized version of the wafer.space COB. ( AFAIU not generally available in the default COB offer, so don't count on that for run 2 without talking to w.s. first ).
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**2026-05-20T10:34:33.701+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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They can be bought in small qty, I'd have to find the link again ... but beware, they are like 150 EUR a piece ...
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## message-1506620184310448178
**2026-05-20T11:30:43.589+00:00 — grep.cat**
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That price is for the ceramic carrier package I assume? Would be interested in the link if you can find it, though for that price it probably makes more sense to design and order a custom PCB.
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## message-1506727157249085631
**2026-05-20T18:35:47.925+00:00 — namibj**
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@RebelMike Do you have the gds file for the 0.5x0.5x TinyQV build by chance?
I'd pivot to that for the full-die PEX trials to not have to wait so many hours for loading.
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## message-1506728151051407372
**2026-05-20T18:39:44.866+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Yep - ah Discord file upload limit
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## message-1506728464663842817
**2026-05-20T18:40:59.637+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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See https://github.com/MichaelBell/ws01-tinyQV/releases/tag/ws-run1
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## message-1506729007193002146
**2026-05-20T18:43:08.986+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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I don't think I have the full build results saved off, but you should be able to re-run the flow just by cloning the repo and running it with `SLOT=0p5x0p5 make librelane`
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## message-1506739347653918740
**2026-05-20T19:24:14.344+00:00 — namibj**
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Thanks the gds is all I need here; I'll just edit and flatten it and then it'll be fine.
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## message-1506739482056200234
**2026-05-20T19:24:46.388+00:00 — namibj**
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(I just mess with labels)
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## message-1506740556628230224
**2026-05-20T19:29:02.586+00:00 — namibj**
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I'd used https://wormhole.app/ with great success so far just saying
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## message-1506753294876545054
**2026-05-20T20:19:39.621+00:00 — namibj**
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ahh great; do the VSS and VDD pads have distinguishing names by chance?
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## message-1506753877205057587
**2026-05-20T20:21:58.459+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1506753877205057587`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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I hope it's one per side I'll just name them by cardinal directions if so.
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## message-1506761464915165277
**2026-05-20T20:52:07.51+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Yep, one per side, allegedly dvss_pads[3:0] and dvdd_pads[3:0]
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## message-1506761687259287674
**2026-05-20T20:53:00.521+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Ah although maybe they don't actually end up with unique names - not sure what librelane does there
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## message-1506763527329677493
**2026-05-20T21:00:19.228+00:00 — namibj**
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Honestly if you can tell me what the name in which side is that'd solve it for me (I'll hand-assing them after having wiped all other text from the gds).
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## message-1506763723824435432
**2026-05-20T21:01:06.076+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1506763723824435432`
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It thinks they are shorted because it ignores PEX so it gives them the name they probably have inside from the standard cell PDN.
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## message-1506764149646950440
**2026-05-20T21:02:47.6+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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It's from https://github.com/MichaelBell/ws01-tinyQV/blob/main/librelane/slots/slot_0p5x0p5.yaml so 0 is south, 1 is east, 2 is north, 3 is west
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## message-1506765699706781716
**2026-05-20T21:08:57.163+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1506765699706781716`
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ahh yeah found here
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## message-1506828852297597079
**2026-05-21T01:19:53.914+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Why not just power gate them?
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## message-1506830655672156301
**2026-05-21T01:27:03.872+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1506830655672156301`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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(My suggestion was intrusive power gating; choke off biasing of the differential error amplifier; clamp the push-pull output stage's bottom nmos's gate off; shouldn't need substantial size increase that way and performance impact should also be minimal (I'd guess less than if putting a series device into the output load path.)
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## message-1506833504250499174
**2026-05-21T01:38:23.026+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1506833504250499174`
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell Do you happen to have any ideas for how to salvage the remaining taped-out chips? I'd have thought to carefully add heat-extraction if they are already bonded and use an expansion-matched carrier (AlN?) as the die attach surface or glue a heat spreader that'll be exposed at the top to the active area of the die before it gets the post-COB-bonding epoxy drop.
(I'm mostly asking because I've been looking towards more power-dense usage than what appears to have mostly been taped-out recently, and am worried now that a mere ~1.2W static draw in a corner of a full slot has been shown to break/crack.)
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## message-1506853940455805078
**2026-05-21T02:59:35.397+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tholin has ~300 bare die they can play with.
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## message-1506854280898805930
**2026-05-21T03:00:56.565+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1506854280898805930`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Good at least; I thought you might have some suggestions for less-cheap but more-thermally-capable packaging?
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## message-1506855264828133557
**2026-05-21T03:04:51.152+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@namibj - Maybe talk to @stuart? He is looking for more customers for custom wire bonding stuff.
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## message-1506855414719975517
**2026-05-21T03:05:26.889+00:00 — namibj**
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ahh thanks!
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## message-1506856009321283614
**2026-05-21T03:07:48.653+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@namibj - I'm also very interested in seeing how we could do direct bonding from the die to the PCB rather than wire bonding.
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## message-1506856150447030403
**2026-05-21T03:08:22.3+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah
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## message-1506861045946388563
**2026-05-21T03:27:49.478+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1506861045946388563`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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https://www.ihp-solutions.com/1/services/packaging-and-vas/
> IHP Solutions offers various value added services for the ASICs produced at the IHP **and for chips coming from customers directly.**
emphasis mine.
I am not in a position of vaguely enough authority to ask, but I am offering my German skills if they'd be relevant.
We could ask them with a budget range of "we'd be looking at spending between X and Y mostly depending on the details (and how much of the cost is per-die vs. per-reticle/per-maskset) to get better packaging for Run3, it's on top of this base GF180mcuD configuration, this many wafers, please let us know if you are interested and if you are, please provide some general proposals for what packaging options we'd be looking at within the budget".
"If there are requirements to design automation and open-PDK support to prevent costly engineering time during design submission, we would be open to enabling tooling to avoid prohibitive per-die NRE costs."
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## message-1506861966986055763
**2026-05-21T03:31:29.071+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1506861966986055763`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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I'll port the DRC deck to open tooling if I have to for this.
We already managed to automate the die sorter anyways....
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## message-1506916734181834773
**2026-05-21T07:09:06.588+00:00 — Max Vallone (@mavmaster)**
- Message ID: `1506916734181834773`
- Author ID: `1140876793298047028`
- Nickname: Max Vallone
- User name: mavmaster
- Type: `Default`
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IHP published pricings in the order of 6500 eur for bumping to 18.5k eur for CU pillar. This was per MPW slot purchased however there might be potential for in house bumping and I am currently looking into testing CU or AL pillar deposition after receive run 2 GF dies. Flip chip bonding would be really nice for the higher power / density / mmIC projects my team is working on
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## message-1506934446736019507
**2026-05-21T08:19:29.59+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1506934446736019507`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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How do you mean, "[potential for] in house bumping"?
My expectation would be that if there's a way to do it wafer-scale but sufficiently selective to not be a problem for those wafer.space customers who's plans are incompatible with fcBGA (even if on a fan-out package like how the current COB is and how vaguely modern CPU/southbridge LGA/BGA packages use a high density FR4-looking PCB to fan out chip-scale bump pitch to low-cost 4-layer-desktop-mainboard compatible coarse pitch, leaving the back of the die exposed for lower-power chips that don't warrant a an indium soldered metal IHS), then some kind of bumping should be practical at cost similar to the current COB+wire-bonding, but not counting the then-necessary high-density fan-out board/interposer that would cope with the 200~300 μm ball pitch needed to match the current setup's IO count.
And beyond that, I also just generally question the selection of this NIH-smelling COB "solution" vs. a classic TQFP with a vaguely-decent exposed-bottom thermal pad, overmolded in classic black filled epoxy perhaps if such available using the 150 or 175 C Tj rated epoxy they use on integrated power stages.
The bonding should be same complexity as current COB bonding, and the overmolding would merely have to adjust fill volume to the 2 (technically 3) die sizes in use.
Rough estimation suggests feasible R_th(junction-to-case) assuming a 5mm² hot spot zone of 0.5~1 `°C/W` so essentially trivial contribution and also fairly easy to cool after it's spread a bit from the copper slab it's glued to.
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## message-1507113195125477551
**2026-05-21T20:09:46.527+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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One of the secrets on my chips that I guess I’ll reveal since I won’t be sending these hot dies to anyone anytime soon, is one of the test patterns you can get out of the NTSC video generator test. That’s why the NTSC generator macro takes up 10% of the core area. It has to encode this whole image.
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## message-1507113481474670622
**2026-05-21T20:10:54.798+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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This is the most inefficient way in which I have ever stored an image file
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## message-1507115489590120681
**2026-05-21T20:18:53.57+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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And here I thought you were doing some kind of fancy subcarrier DDS math, though tbf you did mention it's not color NTSC.
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## message-1507121085311746140
**2026-05-21T20:41:07.694+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Tholin Are you feeding them 5V or 3.3V btw ?
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## message-1507121206208495718
**2026-05-21T20:41:36.518+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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5V
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## message-1507123282267082972
**2026-05-21T20:49:51.489+00:00 — namibj**
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> 18–32-gauge needles were tested.
QS815-SD
https://www.indium.com/products/sintering-materials/pressureless-sintering/quicksinter/
Almost forgot some of these formulations are capable of sufficiently selective coverage to play LGA soldering.
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## message-1507123363099705479
**2026-05-21T20:50:10.761+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1507123363099705479`
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> and will bond strongly to die with Ag, Au, or
> Cu surfaces depending on sintering atmosphere and profile.
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## message-1507123447032053810
**2026-05-21T20:50:30.772+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1507123447032053810`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Biggest issue is that top metal can't be Al.
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## message-1507126328703582414
**2026-05-21T21:01:57.816+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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relatable symbols and an avali, peak test pattern
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## message-1507129636742496376
**2026-05-21T21:15:06.514+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1507129636742496376`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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It's a static pattern, right? I e., the signal waveform is supposed to repeat every frame?
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## message-1507130022207426610
**2026-05-21T21:16:38.416+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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It is
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## message-1507131276099064010
**2026-05-21T21:21:37.367+00:00 — namibj**
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When PEX actually works I wanna try to throw Xyce's HB analysis at it.
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## message-1507131394139361302
**2026-05-21T21:22:05.51+00:00 — namibj**
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If it works at all it's going to be gloriously horrific.
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## message-1507131444835782819
**2026-05-21T21:22:17.597+00:00 — namibj**
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:ferrisCatSneaky:
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## message-1507131807139762236
**2026-05-21T21:23:43.977+00:00 — namibj**
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Do you use a pixel clock in there? If so, how fast or how many pixels per line?
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## message-1507133374609887243
**2026-05-21T21:29:57.691+00:00 — namibj**
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Hmmm, about 534 (ish) pixel "clocks" per line....
"Only" 140k (ish) harmonics of the frame (not field!) rate until hitting the luma bandwidth cap 🙁
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## message-1507137283151888476
**2026-05-21T21:45:29.56+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m using these numbers
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## message-1507137406434934814
**2026-05-21T21:45:58.953+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So these are the pixel clocks
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## message-1507259394994343987
**2026-05-22T05:50:43.292+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@namibj - If you can find a way to do TQFP for under $1.50 USD all up when doing only 1000 units, then I would be extremely happy. The cheapest I have found today ends up being ~$10 USD per chip.
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## message-1507260443956347012
**2026-05-22T05:54:53.384+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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iHP bumping is not compatible with something like wafer.space because they need to do it on a whole wafer and can't handle cut die.
You can purchase full wafers from wafer.space (for $2k USD each) and have iHP do the bumping but you are only getting ~28 of your die per wafer -- which means you are starting at a cost of ~$70 USD per die.
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## message-1507377266017959976
**2026-05-22T13:39:05.934+00:00 — namibj**
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My thought was to, if that's possible, do it in a way that doesn't preclude the non-bumped dies from wire bonding.
Though yeah I should look more at the low temperature sintering offerings out there, I have hope some of them happens to be selective enough to work. Targeting around 0.2~0.4 mm pitch.
Should only require a top metal plating at least.
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## message-1507747181413531658
**2026-05-23T14:09:00.637+00:00 — Simi (@simi150500)**
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To present our students with their chips, I played around with resin for the first time. I think the resin cubes turned out quite well. Sure, there's still room for improvement, but for my first time working with resin, I think they're pretty okay. 🙂
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## message-1507747876112040119
**2026-05-23T14:11:46.266+00:00 — Simi (@simi150500)**
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I think for the "display only dies", this is the ideal solution to give away or display somewhere.
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## message-1507755272192393268
**2026-05-23T14:41:09.629+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Those look great!!
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## message-1508131403605344467
**2026-05-24T15:35:46.346+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1508131403605344467`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
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Don't want to jinx it, but looks like my chip is alive! Some confusing timing issues that need to be worked out, but it appears to load and run the program 🙂
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## message-1508146545206493255
**2026-05-24T16:35:56.385+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1508146545206493255`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
- Type: `Reply`
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We could consider Fig.3 just with the place of which side the pillars are on switched.
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## message-1508147127036149771
**2026-05-24T16:38:15.104+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1508147127036149771`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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How impractical is it to coat compatible metallurgy over the native topmetal?
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## message-1508147166634573976
**2026-05-24T16:38:24.545+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1508147166634573976`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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(Post-dicing.)
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## message-1508147907440676954
**2026-05-24T16:41:21.167+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1508147907440676954`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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(They're doing 150um pitch rectangular dense grid; They mention having like 709 contacts on a test die of 11.9mm by 11.9mm.)
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## message-1508148463345340498
**2026-05-24T16:43:33.705+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1508148463345340498`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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MUst have had much more non-measured contacts then.....
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## message-1508153839574974705
**2026-05-24T17:04:55.498+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1508153839574974705`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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A full W.S slot should with that process fit up to about 768 contacts..... GLHF escaping that footprint tho, ofc.
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## message-1508228671058481213
**2026-05-24T22:02:16.714+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1508228671058481213`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
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First go at a motherboard for TinyQV
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## message-1508452725795459218
**2026-05-25T12:52:35.526+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1508527147063574628
**2026-05-25T17:48:18.939+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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Woo! Cmp, branch, alu, jmp and registers all working! (program just increments until 100 then halts). Might be time to spin a PCB for this thing.
Honestly I'm pretty surprised it works 😅
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## message-1508603344418246817
**2026-05-25T22:51:05.804+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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That is super cool! I'm looking forward to seeing a video on this.
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## message-1508603681107611810
**2026-05-25T22:52:26.077+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Tim Edwards's old boss apparently has a low volume bumping process which would work for die that I'm trying to convince them to release as open source for people to use.
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## message-1508603907520204891
**2026-05-25T22:53:20.058+00:00 — namibj**
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That'd be awesome.
I don't think it would even need to be that open for the first run to use it?
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## message-1508604106078687243
**2026-05-25T22:54:07.398+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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If people want to be able to reproduce it at home it probably needs to be?
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## message-1508604279227682837
**2026-05-25T22:54:48.68+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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FYI - I'm back in Australia now. So will have some more time to fix some #fpgas-online and a few other things.
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## message-1508604291256946761
**2026-05-25T22:54:51.548+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh well fair, it sounded like you were suggesting to use them to bump Run3/4
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## message-1508611060066680944
**2026-05-25T23:21:45.358+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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My _former_ boss. He might not appreciate being called my _old_ boss.
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## message-1508619813428396154
**2026-05-25T23:56:32.322+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Vain is he?
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## message-1508636243108298895
**2026-05-26T01:01:49.463+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Actually not at all. Purely my comment, and maybe a bit defensive, since he's only slightly older than me.
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## message-1508680422446596226
**2026-05-26T03:57:22.638+00:00 — namibj**
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Can you tell us any more about the bumping in question, like anytime you know to not be under NDA coverage?
A major consideration from my pov would be "do you see any problems (not that you'll divulge any details) with using it on the same padframes that have already taped out" (see e.g. the quarter GDS I sent you for a representative tight pitch one)?
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## message-1508719974531993630
**2026-05-26T06:34:32.59+00:00 — namibj**
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> In this work, we present flip-chip hybridisation results combining Electroless Nickel Immersion Gold (ENIG) bumping with Anisotropic Conductive Film (ACF) bonding, both developed in-house. This method enables fine-pitch interconnections without requiring wafer-level processing.
ohhhh.... https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.15562 once again, CERN engineering boundary pushing drops off technology useful beyond CERN.
With aligned-particle ACF they get down to 25um _pitch._
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## message-1508726782843551764
**2026-05-26T07:01:35.818+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Fair enough 🙂
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## message-1508727164181151795
**2026-05-26T07:03:06.736+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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There are some people who work at/with CERN lurking on this server, maybe they can make an internal enquiry about that work?
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## message-1508727450018779247
**2026-05-26T07:04:14.885+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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BTW I just created the #🖱️-usb channel as I'm very excited about getting some high quality USB cores going on GF180MCU.
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## message-1508751315449155654
**2026-05-26T08:39:04.847+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I was interested in understanding how "high" the active silicon part was in GF180MCU, so did this calculation -> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dc7NKRQ8zPLQ5zjTvlCQ6sERVP4lDZzYKM6wU9RbHFI/edit?gid=0#gid=0
Looks like <10um on the top of the 725um (which is back ground to ~200um) is active....
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## message-1508753031364214855
**2026-05-26T08:45:53.953+00:00 — namibj**
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Well, notably, they used an in-House ENIG on there-unspecified topmetal of their Timepix3 ASIC which lacked UBM; their detector ("Trench Isolated Low-Gain Avalanche Detector") already had UBM.
The current 16μm spacing between the guard ring passivation opening and the bond pad passivation opening is a problem if the other side of the bonding can't make that spacing/cutoff with such precision.
In theory it should be possible if the traces are all escaped inwards to the die center (at least except for GND) and then lifted up to the 2nd layer on vias, but that'd be fairly limiting in density due to via pitch vs. getting to escape straight outwards.
It would be more critical to trace "wire end shape" though, as the only two critical things would otherwise have been "decently maintaining close to the nominal 50% copper/50%space dense-pitch wiring" plus "overall being to-scale within about +-0.1~0.2%" (for 1x1 slot; scales linearly with die length/width each in the same direction). The problem with having to specifically not hit the guard ring would be that the scale tolerance would now be more at the lower end of what it would have been, and further the fairly precise end of the trace that serves to form the bump would need to be located, to approximately 10% of nominal min track width/spacing aka 50% of track thickness.
One good thing is that despite that, the ACF flip-chip tactic should still work if done further away from the guard ring and with e.g. via-in-pad structures from e.g. the 6L JLC special that could sustain up to 7 rows deep at 0.8 mm (cheap) to 0.6 mm (expensive) pad pitch (to escape one wire worth per layer between the non-blind via-in-pad's). Somewhere between only about 20 and 52 pads on a 1x1 slot under those limitations, though. The 7th row might also not be possible as the top layer of the PCB might need to be free of all solder mask in the entire bonding area, so it couldn't be routed between the outermost bga pads themselves as that would require them to be coated with solder mask.
Though at least precise cutting of the ACF might suffice to keep the guard ring from getting bonded to: cut the ACF rectangle to stay away far enough from the guard ring so that after squishing it doesn't short the bare traces escaping outwards to the guard ring.
That should thankfully be easy to cut with a fairly simple steel die cutter/stamp from a sheet of the ACF, once we'd have dialed in the correct spacing.
A bit of process control via optical inspection might be needed to do that with the current guard ring to pad spacing though, to supervise the squeeze-distance and keep it "just right".
An aligned stamp that doesn't pressure the guard ring area but only the pads/inner area should probably work with the thin FPC (70μm (1-layer, not the special)/110μm (2-layer, the special); but of that 25μm should be the coverlay that isn't present in the bond pad row zone). Not hard to make but probably not that cheap to adjust while dialing in...
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## message-1508755430342398022
**2026-05-26T08:55:25.914+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I think I somewhat understand what you are saying here, but only barely......
While in Shenzhen I did make some contacts with groups who do "chip on glass" and "chip on film" stuff and are open to doing some experiments.
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## message-1508756806682411019
**2026-05-26T09:00:54.059+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1508756806682411019`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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Great.
If we manage to "easily" do post-dicing ENIG bumping on the gf180mcuD dies then it'd at worst be a question of possibly increasing pad pitch though, I'm sure.
And probably you convincing glofo to not whine about a passivated guard ring to us.
Bonus would be that to my understanding the result would be at least gold wire bond compatible and should also be directly solder-compatible, though, so starting about Run5 it could be considered to be done pre-dicing.
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## message-1508759289911578644
**2026-05-26T09:10:46.107+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1508759289911578644`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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Probably stupid question -- but is there a simple way to coat just the exposed metal area without coating the SiN?
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## message-1508759377220206722
**2026-05-26T09:11:06.923+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1508759377220206722`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Yeah ENIG
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## message-1508759430823411772
**2026-05-26T09:11:19.703+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1508759430823411772`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Basically just do the stuff that they do to PCBs.
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## message-1508759670297329664
**2026-05-26T09:12:16.798+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1508759670297329664`
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Like it feels like just dipping the chip into molten metal bath would cause only the exposed metal areas to get a coating?
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## message-1508760145264640121
**2026-05-26T09:14:10.039+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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And destroy the chip ?
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## message-1508760568914252007
**2026-05-26T09:15:51.045+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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You pretty much can't "solder" to Al hence why ENIG. Electro-less desposition of nickel alloy and then some gold over tha. To make a surface that will "wet" to solder AFAIU.
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## message-1508761243354398811
**2026-05-26T09:18:31.844+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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If I understand correctly, you can't "solder" to Al due to the Al oxide layer which quickly forms when pure Al is exposed to air. The wire bonding process using Al uses one of a number of methods to "punch through" the oxide layer and weld the Al wire to the metal.
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## message-1508762469101994015
**2026-05-26T09:23:24.085+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1508762469101994015`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Interestingly was just trying to figure out how ENIG process actually works and found the following
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## message-1508763447813210203
**2026-05-26T09:27:17.428+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1508763447813210203`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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It apparently needs a zinc[ate] base layer if done on Aluminum though to chemically alloy through the natural oxide of the Aluminum; I don't _think_ that's a problem though.
It would _require_ the guard ring to not be exposed top metal, though!
And it's much more involved than "just" taking JLC-special FPC (25μm polyimide core with 13μm copper either side and 50.8μm minimum trace width/spacing (76.2μm "recommended" but for this task of escaping the bond pads straight out and fanning to the +50% wider pitch starting after about 200~500μm beyond the nominal bond pad border, the 50.8μm DRC minimum shouldn't cause a yield too low to _just eat_ and given that FPC-to-die alignment would AFAIK _practically have to_ be done _optically_ through the orange (but otherwise clear see-through) tint of the polyimide, I'd expect AOI of the entire FPC area that's below recommended DRC minimums to be practical and easy at least if we'd not obscure that area with the non-die-facing copper layer.
In that case we'd probably want/have to "instead" go for a dedicated AOI screening of the chip-facing area from that side before flipping it and aligning it to the die's pads and then locking in the alignment with the cold mild pressure tacky aspect of the ACF before perhaps doing one more AOI check to confirm tacking didn't shift it, before then releasing it to the hot stamp that applies that 2MPa from the top through a heated pad with the die probably resting against an anvil during it.
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## message-1508763869479309332
**2026-05-26T09:28:57.961+00:00 — namibj**
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You can solder Al but the reason to not hot dip plate it is for precision mostly, as it's fairly hard to control thickness with hot dip.
Besides of course temperature resistance severely limiting metal choices.
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## message-1508764180793004073
**2026-05-26T09:30:12.184+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@namibj - As I said, in Shenzhen I met a few groups that do FPC related stuff. If I can figure out how to communicate things we could probably try it......
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## message-1508768618148532274
**2026-05-26T09:47:50.132+00:00 — namibj**
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Electroless nickel plating.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroless_nickel-phosphorus_plating
See https://www.protoexpress.com/kb/enig/ for the standard ENIG, https://www.protoexpress.com/kb/enepig-surface-finish/ for a variant that's still very wire-bondable ("It is ideal for solder joint strength, aluminum wire bonding, and gold wire bonding."), and https://www.protoexpress.com/kb/epig-surface-finish/ for if one has complaints about the minimum thickness of the plating when it's used on e.g. a PCB in a BGA fan-out with needs for severely small trace width (these processes are fairly isotropic so the plating thickness will also build up sideways; while the initial copper trace width minimums are mostly given by the trace itself becoming unstable to litho if too narrow, and rings around via holes risking becoming cut by the drill which thus clearly won't just grow back as part of the plating once it's gone).
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## message-1508779288248451093
**2026-05-26T10:30:14.082+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah just be up-front about us having pre-diced Aluminum-Topmetal dies with SiN passivation, these 60μm (standard and we have dies) square passivation openings, with 102μm ("vertical")/104μm ("horizontal") pad pitch and apparently a 16μm span covered by SiN before the guard sing comes, who's SiN opening is apparently 9μm wide.
That's for the quarter-slot TinyQV dies of Run1; I don't think there's _reasonable_ need to go for any denser pitch in a 1-row-deep padring layout even for the larger dies.
E.g. @Tholin's die (1x1 slot, Run1;
tho I had to build the GDS myself and had to [||turn off the custom images as I couldn't easily figure out how they are to be built (like, what parameters I'm supposed to use to get the same pixels-to-gds processing done as was done for the Run1 tapeout), and there's some hidden-secret-code (like, a capture-the-flag thing or such?) hard-macro to be synthesized from redacted verilog (didn't build as it's in the repo! Had to get AI to cook that redacted verilog to get something that'd build (and should at least play nice with the rest of the die without me having to touch the multiplexer and any more global PnR beyond unleashing the former image zones for global PnR...) 🙁 )...||]
) has same pad size and spacing to guard ring, but 211μm ("vertical")/180μm ("horizontal") pad-pitch instead.
I'm mostly mentioning that one because it's looking to particularly expect to benefit from getting a flip-chip mounting applied to (some of) the remaining dies to thus enable some _good_ back-side cooling.
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## message-1508783117161463819
**2026-05-26T10:45:26.966+00:00 — namibj**
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In practice you'd do a (usually water-based) catalytic or redox/displacement plating solution [||using a more noble metal's dissolved salt to sacrifice the thin surface layer of the mostly-not-oxidized (that's a minor complication with Aluminum sadly) base metal to essentially locally at molecular scale create shorted-out "batteries" that "discharge" into creating the desired layer of the more-noble metal over the base as thick as this molecular-scale process can penetrate into the base metal; the consumed base metal ends up as the salt in the solution. Yes, if you do that with mixed solid power of "noble metal salt" and "less-noble mostly-bare metal" and use high heat to just about melt them together, the very same reaction is called "thermite".||] at/near room temperature.
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## message-1508987464935805008
**2026-05-27T00:17:27.272+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@namibj - So what actually would be the next steps that make sense?
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## message-1508991102814781521
**2026-05-27T00:31:54.61+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1508991102814781521`
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I'd see if at least something big enough to test bond pad pitch on can get into Run2 with a passivated seal ring; I'd see about spin coating for shed litho passivation onto that currently (Run1 dies) exposed metal seal ring, and find someone who'd dip 3~5 dies through al-plating electroless baths starting with the zincate that seems to be needed to tame the aluminium oxide.
Then if that's found, I'd get JLC to make me a 2$ special: 5pcs 100x100mm FPC, 2L, ENIG, 1/3oz (12um) copper each of the two layers, and spend 20 min looking for a better choice than the ACF that @BreakingTaps had used, if not finding anything better in that time, going and just ordering a roll of that that will live in the freezer in a suitable resealable moisture barrier metallzied foil bag if I have one, or just how it came in a freezer bag if I can't find a resealable metallized one.
I'd find me a microscope and for a first probably just try to boond two of the FPCs to each other with the proper alignment, either doing end-result-focused process control for thermals, or calibrating with a thermocupuple dymmy of suitable thickness, with pressure calculated based on contact area and if I'd have my hands on any, quite possibly using a decent CNC axis to apply the presure through a couple millimeters of spring travel to make the entire hot-clamp more compliant.
If I'd have access to one that's made for this hot ACF bonding, I'd see to just use that instead of hacking a hot stamp that can apply dialed-in pressure/force and releases after an electronic timer.
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## message-1508991283799134239
**2026-05-27T00:32:37.76+00:00 — namibj**
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I don't know why they are so intense about exposing the seal ring top metal unless it's an official flip chip die.
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## message-1508991646052782243
**2026-05-27T00:34:04.128+00:00 — namibj**
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it would be really good if you could find out if we can get rid of that without cannibalizing more important DRC/process custom treatment quota.
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## message-1509286515858079874
**2026-05-27T20:05:46.568+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@namibj - Is there anything we can do with the current die and their 40um x 40um openings?
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## message-1509291370160979978
**2026-05-27T20:25:03.924+00:00 — namibj**
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If we can passivate the adjacent guard ring strong enough to resist the ACF's nickel spheres, it should be straight forward to bond with 10$ of parts (a roll of ACF and a JLC special FPC) and access to a device that can do the heated pressing, which would give 5 dies and most of the ACF left over.
Ideally we'd passivate the ring and then do a standard zincate-base ENIG and then the ACF or even try to directly LGA solder (use something that is thermal expansion matched to the silicon or so weak/thin the silicon isn't stressed too much).
I suggest asking one of the people around who have done some diy litho how easy it'd be to litho a passivation layer on the outside border beyond the pads to cover the guard ring; it's nominally 16μm gap in which the line/edge of the sheet should land.
I'd try spin coating some clear UV nail polish (aka UV activated acrylic resin in small cheap bottles) or resin 3d printer resin, and either place a simple metal foil sheet over the area with the pads to shield them from the coming light, or mount a blu ray laser diode with the optics to something that let's us draw along the guard ring without (substantial) hitting the pads; then using a weak solvent to wash it off before applying the ACF.
Or find a way to stick some thin (about 5~30μm) tape on the edge without obstruction the pads, then apply ACF.
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## message-1509292371387482324
**2026-05-27T20:29:02.635+00:00 — namibj**
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In acute cases of flip chip need, ball wire bonding can be used to form studs on the pads; it is my understanding that the result is suitable for at least some types of flip-chip bonding acting as a replacement for wafer bumping.
I don't think that's an effective way forward that could beat the current COB pricing for a Run4/5, though. I'd expect it to be around twice as expensive as the current bonding, not speaking of the ease of finding a bone house that can do it economically at the volumes.
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## message-1509294672718069760
**2026-05-27T20:38:11.315+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Wouldn't the guard ring be under the passivation?
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## message-1509297037571788851
**2026-05-27T20:47:35.14+00:00 — namibj**
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Well I thought so but apparently the DRCs say that it is under passivation if and only if you select "flip chip" for the flavor of DRC deck.
I do not know _why_ they consider it mandatory to expose it when not doing flip-chip, instead of just recommending.
I have confirmed that the PAD layer in the GDS is drawn over the ring on several of the Run1 chips; you're in a position to see if any of them don't have it drawn over that ring. And to see or if needed ask whether they care about it being hidden (under passivation) for dies that get partial flip-chp treatment. This might not be a rule that is enforced at your submission stage, but just from the openPDK when trying to submit into your MPW.
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## message-1509312063984500737
**2026-05-27T21:47:17.716+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Also, why does it matter if the guard ring was connected?
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## message-1509315647278944326
**2026-05-27T22:01:32.04+00:00 — namibj**
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because it would short to every trace of the FPC; the FPC's solder mask is far far far from supporting being present on the 16um away guard ring exposed metal but having the metal of the IO pad nice and exposed for the ACF to contact.
Also it's not that thin, but that's a lesser problem to that.
What should work actually now that I think about it is taking an FPC but fan out to the middle, glueing that FPC with soluble glue (e.g. PVA glue dissolved with water) to a stiff carrier, then carefully sanding down the edges until they no longer reach over the pads to the guard ring. I'd suggest a 1x1 slot and going for an easy to solder SMD connector placed in the middle; I don't think the current mezzazone connector is necessarily short enough to fit though. It might diagonally fit well enough?
But there would be little room to route. The connector would be soldered after the ACF is hot pressed.
The FPC would be optically aligned to the pads on grounds of being kinda see-through just orange-tinted, then lightly pressed down onto the ACF to use it's natural slight tackyness to transport it to the hot press equipment.
I'd assume that the temperature and pressure are mildly sensitive but the time could be exceeded upwards fairly low-risk as far as yield goes, so a heavy thing on a lever arm (to keep it from putting uneven pressure on the die) pressing down through the recommended feflon foil over 0.2~0.3 mm of shore70+ silicone (onto the FPC; the die would be on a hard surface below), with one of the two sides being heated to the recommended 18~190C, should give functional results with ingredients on the level of "cabinet hinge"+"2by4"+"soldering hotplate that doesn't get crushed"+"gallon jug (adjustable with water)" to rig a 2 MPa-ish repeatable press.
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## message-1509315904956268674
**2026-05-27T22:02:33.475+00:00 — namibj**
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It's just that the escape to the inside style doesn't allow for increasing the IO to similar pad spacing as we have on the quarter tile, which would be the case for the escape outwards that needs the guard ring not shorting out all the bonds.
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## message-1509317653557416038
**2026-05-27T22:09:30.374+00:00 — namibj**
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the concept approximately for the escape-outwards is a "leadframe"-like structure litho'd onto the polyimide base of the FPC (just a regular FPC manufacturing), which is then flip-chip bonded to the pads of the die.
But as far as the die can tell, those copper traces are fully exposed towards the die. The polyimide is just on the back to keep them from moving and to provide further mechanical support and to allow it to be manufactured. Outside the die area it can then also cover up with the coperlay the traces, but that's not practical right at the pads.
This wouldn't be so hard if the guard ring was more than those 16um away from the pad edge. The coverlay would need about 150~250um gap to handle it well.
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## message-1509360693743325294
**2026-05-28T01:00:31.954+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@namibj - I think I understand the issue with the guard ring now, it is very close to the pads and whatever is trying to bond to pads is likely to accidentally connect with the guard ring and the guard ring would short everything together.
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## message-1509360988196044981
**2026-05-28T01:01:42.157+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) - are you able to confirm that there is no polyimide/oxide over the top of the guard ring structure?
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## message-1509362368793153657
**2026-05-28T01:07:11.317+00:00 — namibj**
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Notably it should look like pad not like PDN if I'm right.
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## message-1509365314507247616
**2026-05-28T01:18:53.63+00:00 — namibj**
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Also it's much closer than the gap between pads (~3x) and right in the way of where one would want the lead frame traces to go from the pads. Without that you could take a PCB footprint like the wirebond fan out just all the way to the pads, flip the chip, put ACF between, and in theory a clothes iron set zu 2.5 for about 3 to 15 seconds.
In practice one wants a bit more precision in control to maintain good yield without dies delaminating from the board due to poorly hardened epoxy nor poor electrical contract/occasional shorts between adjacent pads.
Also JLC AFAIK only sells that very fine pitch (102μm used on quarter slot) on 1/3oz FPC.
But benefit, both FPC and ACF are see-through so no dedicated fiducials would be required.
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## message-1509442517362413589
**2026-05-28T06:25:40.225+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, there is a 9um wide glass cut in the seal ring/guard ring structure. Likely to prevent cracking during dicing.
However, the guard ring for flip-chip packaging has no glass cut:
> to be protected from chemical attack during solder bumping process.
You can find both layouts here: https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_12_2.html
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## message-1509448587099246673
**2026-05-28T06:49:47.363+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Interesting the DRM also says the guard ring should be directly connected to VSS pads. Not sure we do that.
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## message-1509450392331878491
**2026-05-28T06:56:57.764+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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No, we currently don't do that. I assume they the guard ring should be grounded due to ESD reasons?
We could connect the VSS pads on the other side directly to the guard ring. However, KLayout DRC would throw an error since unrelated Nwell, COMP, Poly2, Metal must be 10um away. Not sure how they implemented that exception.
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## message-1509450503413698591
**2026-05-28T06:57:24.248+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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The other question is how to implement that in the template in an automated manner.
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## message-1509450781588197447
**2026-05-28T06:58:30.57+00:00 — namibj**
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The DRC there claim it's mandatory to expose on non-flipchip and forbidden to expose on flipchip.
I understand yield impact potential, but exposing the metal is as explained quite in the way of even trailing non-wire-bonded packaging approaches.
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## message-1509451010748448788
**2026-05-28T06:59:25.206+00:00 — namibj**
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Also they say guard ring can be used for down-bonding if it's a little widened.
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## message-1509801751258075218
**2026-05-29T06:13:08.26+00:00 — namibj**
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VSS pad comes with the bridge to the ring.
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**2026-05-29T06:13:26.128+00:00 — namibj**
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(would be my suggestion for how-to)
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## message-1509810118391496815
**2026-05-29T06:46:23.14+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Maybe having a break in the top silicon oxide might prevent cracks from propagating / running?
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## message-1509810966722908221
**2026-05-29T06:49:45.398+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, that's what I was suggesting :)
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## message-1509811218498584626
**2026-05-29T06:50:45.426+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yeah, that would work for the implementation. However, the DRC deck would also need to be updated, as it ensures that there are no shapes within 10 µm of the guard ring.
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## message-1509811900978823258
**2026-05-29T06:53:28.142+00:00 — namibj**
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It's nitride, and fair, but (a) do we know the yield impact, and (b) would glofo get annoyed if we include one die without that exposed top metal on the guard ring in Run2?
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## message-1509983614287347753
**2026-05-29T18:15:47.785+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The amount of pings and DMs I’ve gotten about my SCL over the past week is crazy
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## message-1509983666674335988
**2026-05-29T18:16:00.275+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Are people actually using it?
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## message-1509986344557088848
**2026-05-29T18:26:38.732+00:00 — nmz787**
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what's SCL?
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## message-1509986650606800936
**2026-05-29T18:27:51.7+00:00 — urish**
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Standard Cell Library
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## message-1509988064284643379
**2026-05-29T18:33:28.747+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
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I've been using it
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## message-1509991566125830349
**2026-05-29T18:47:23.651+00:00 — namibj**
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@tnt suggested me to go for it for the 32 bit per clock PRBS-31 generator (and indirectly some misc config bits of sort that'll have to find a place to live), for the MCML VCO + Gigabit-TX-only-"transceiver"I failed to get finished for ttsky26a and have now chosen the opportunity of ttgf0p3 to (hopefully) tape out in W.S. Run2 instead.
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## message-1510000993717457006
**2026-05-29T19:24:51.364+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
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I’m using it - idea is to see if we can prove your library + the 3v3 SRAMs all work together in TinyQV on run 2.
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## message-1510009497857425669
**2026-05-29T19:58:38.909+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1510009497857425669`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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- Edited: 2026-05-29T20:09:15.507+00:00
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And I need to do MCML<->SCL level shifters, for:
1. Feeding SCL-sourced 16/32 wide bitstream to MCML MUX stages.
2. Clocking the bitstream feed from the (appropriately divided) VCO.
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## message-1510071251543130313
**2026-05-30T00:04:02.135+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1510071257578733710
**2026-05-30T00:04:03.574+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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This is so cool!
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## message-1510071942751719465
**2026-05-30T00:06:46.932+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1510216446959943731
**2026-05-30T09:40:59.42+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I've also provided ready-to-use images that can boot Zephyr RTOS and MicroPython .
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## message-1510323375409594569
**2026-05-30T16:45:53.149+00:00 — namibj**
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If you don't have to use that area for other structures, I'd suggest we put some flip chip bond test structures in the side strip of the reticle, as those are too small to really use with any normal padframe and look to be mostly barren in the stretched tape wafer pictures from today?
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## message-1511076691366121523
**2026-06-01T18:39:17.669+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
- Message ID: `1511076691366121523`
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Helo
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## message-1511666364828614770
**2026-06-03T09:42:26.778+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) @Tim 'mithro' Ansell Spammer to ban ...
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## message-1511667525690331258
**2026-06-03T09:47:03.549+00:00 — ewen (@ewenmcneill)**
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^^^^ perhaps it'd be a good idea to limit who can post to #welcome-and-rules, #announcements etc, so that at least the spam doesn't end up there? (Howto link in the message I'm replying to, from February 2026.)
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## message-1511670484901560370
**2026-06-03T09:58:49.08+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Thanks
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## message-1511670523921174610
**2026-06-03T09:58:58.383+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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## message-1511884403977228428
**2026-06-04T00:08:51.362+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I think I've make that happen for the #welcome-and-rules and #announcements channels now?
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## message-1511895455812948038
**2026-06-04T00:52:46.325+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Noritsuna Imamura - Cool to see you updated the repo @ https://github.com/ishi-kai/ISHI-KAI_Multiple_Projects_WaferSapce-GF180-1 with pictures of the real die!
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## message-1511987653246189710
**2026-06-04T06:59:07.906+00:00 — ewen (@ewenmcneill)**
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- Nickname: ewen
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LGTM. In #welcome-and-rules I now see "you do not have permission to post" and in #announcements I see "follow for updates in your server" (which is the normal "this is a read-only announcements channel). Thanks for sorting that out.
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## message-1512492931959886025
**2026-06-05T16:26:55.739+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1512492931959886025`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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I had a bit of an idea
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## message-1512495431815401503
**2026-06-05T16:36:51.751+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1512495431815401503`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
- Nickname: Wayfarer
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What was the max ram/cache we can have?
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## message-1512502232652841111
**2026-06-05T17:03:53.197+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1512502232652841111`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-06-05T17:04:01.109+00:00
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A full die* with the new (untested) 3v3 SRAM is like 44-54 KB depending on how much padding you include for routing.. The 5v SRAM is like 21-24 KB iirc
*inside the pad ring. You can probably fit more with a custom pad ring.
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## message-1512502558441210039
**2026-06-05T17:05:10.871+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1512502558441210039`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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(and that's the entire usable die area filled with sram macros, and basically no space for logic)
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## message-1512687424621252638
**2026-06-06T05:19:46.403+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1512687424621252638`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
- Nickname: Wayfarer
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Ok. So still too small for full addressing of a 6502(64k)
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## message-1512687728616149165
**2026-06-06T05:20:58.881+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1512687728616149165`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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Im wanting to test something like, a 'minicpu' spaced every few hundred MB of RAM
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## message-1512692940198383666
**2026-06-06T05:41:41.419+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1512692940198383666`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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Can we have dram?
Would we get more?
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## message-1512693298534547529
**2026-06-06T05:43:06.853+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1512693298534547529`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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I guess sram is better...
And I could structure a 6502 core to use a large amount of on die ram cache, and still use external address space.
Not sure yet. I guess the ram makers have their own tricks
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## message-1512710895778795641
**2026-06-06T06:53:02.363+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Using external COTS PSRAM is probably the easist option. Atleast one person has done a external SRAM interface.
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## message-1512843746721399046
**2026-06-06T15:40:56.496+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1512843746721399046`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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Yeah PSRAM and "HyperRAM"/octal PSRAM should be pretty straightforward. They are all SPI, QuadSPI or a small parallel interface. I was looking at SDRAM chips but the need like 50 pins and are much more involved with refreshes and such
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## message-1512846512567222502
**2026-06-06T15:51:55.925+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1512846512567222502`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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Hirosh's SoC uses an external SDRAM 👌 https://github.com/splinedrive/gf180mcu-kianv-rv32ima-sv32
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## message-1513006290136338512
**2026-06-07T02:26:49.866+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513006290136338512`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
- Nickname: Wayfarer
- User name: wayfarer.technologies
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Thanks, the notion is a "minicpu" every few MB of RAM, so a massively distributed system across a multi GB array.
Prototyping this at small scale may be advantageous.
My other notion is to put a 6502, 6522 and a ton of cache on a single die. Then have external connections to other memory and devices. (Mmio based architecture)
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## message-1513006429357867130
**2026-06-07T02:27:23.059+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513006429357867130`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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I think I'll focus on the later for now, as well as my "geometric" computer/coprocessor.
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## message-1513006443047944393
**2026-06-07T02:27:26.323+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513006443047944393`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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Thanks
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## message-1513580320413319409
**2026-06-08T16:27:49.349+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513580320413319409`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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So, because a 6502 with megabytes of ram is impractical at this point, I'm going to focus on a math coprocessor for the 6502 family.
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## message-1513580492488966404
**2026-06-08T16:28:30.375+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
- Nickname: Wayfarer
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I also have an isa bus dma control chip I'm working on.
If there is volume, can we get a discount?
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## message-1513580908169531442
**2026-06-08T16:30:09.481+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513580908169531442`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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Oh. You get 1000 chips here. Ok.
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## message-1513580995222175744
**2026-06-08T16:30:30.236+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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```text
That actually works out to less than $10 a chip yeah?
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## message-1513581147697971221
**2026-06-08T16:31:06.589+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513581147697971221`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
- Nickname: Wayfarer
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```text
So totally worth a crowd funding campaign. And a 6502 math coprocessor would probably sell well
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## message-1513582654241636571
**2026-06-08T16:37:05.777+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1513582654241636571`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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You're not gonna crowd fund your first ASIC tapeout with that as the goal.
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## message-1513584505301237760
**2026-06-08T16:44:27.104+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513584505301237760`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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You seem confident in this statement.
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## message-1513584597009694920
**2026-06-08T16:44:48.969+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513584597009694920`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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I don't appreciate the discouraging words. Take care.
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## message-1513589678484492288
**2026-06-08T17:05:00.487+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1513589678484492288`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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The problem is that testing is HARD and without experience the risk of the dies being DoA is substantial.
And in that scenario it'd be the crowd that suffers.
If you can use appropriate techniques to mitigate that risk it'd be fine.
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## message-1513634827159605440
**2026-06-08T20:04:24.77+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Namibj is right. Additionally, if you want to sell, you need to find market fit first
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## message-1513635038485544962
**2026-06-08T20:05:15.154+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513635038485544962`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
- Nickname: Wayfarer
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There is a massive 6502 community that will support a reasonably priced coprocessor
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## message-1513635112057704721
**2026-06-08T20:05:32.695+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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That's not really what I'm talking about
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## message-1513635510805987390
**2026-06-08T20:07:07.764+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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It's hard to sell even 1000 units of something, and you need to sell for way, way more than the cost of the chips if the goal is to make money
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## message-1513635658764128306
**2026-06-08T20:07:43.04+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513635658764128306`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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Solvency is important
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## message-1513635742050422874
**2026-06-08T20:08:02.897+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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I'm happy to break even
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## message-1513635830911074355
**2026-06-08T20:08:24.083+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Break even will still be above $100/chip though
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## message-1513635834946129970
**2026-06-08T20:08:25.045+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Like, you can technically do it but it's unlikely you find something that's straight forward enough to be both low enough tapeout risk and enough market to fill that volume.
There's a reason AFAIK zero of the Run2 slots are crowd funded if you don't count tiny tapeout which works differently as it's not a "product".
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## message-1513635875442004008
**2026-06-08T20:08:34.7+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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Especially on my first few rounds
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## message-1513635944819982346
**2026-06-08T20:08:51.241+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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You need to be prepared to not break even for several iterations
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## message-1513636063648677989
**2026-06-08T20:09:19.572+00:00 — namibj**
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Counting your own hours or how are you that pessimistic?
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## message-1513636132989046864
**2026-06-08T20:09:36.104+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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What level of verification is offered here?
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## message-1513636210390863922
**2026-06-08T20:09:54.558+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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Surely there is some testing and simulation
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## message-1513636212609519677
**2026-06-08T20:09:55.087+00:00 — namibj**
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Whatever you do yourself.
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## message-1513636231169441833
**2026-06-08T20:09:59.512+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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Hours, ATE, market research, distribution, documentation, etc
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## message-1513636319664935122
**2026-06-08T20:10:20.611+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1513636319664935122`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Verilator and Xyce will help you.
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## message-1513636383770546207
**2026-06-08T20:10:35.895+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1513636383770546207`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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"ATE"?
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## message-1513636534505705533
**2026-06-08T20:11:11.833+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Hi. I’m currently on my third attempt to tape out a digital approximation of the SID in GlobalFoundries silicon and I still have yet to get it right. Its not easy. I suggest using TinyTapeout for prototyping.
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## message-1513636574733009027
**2026-06-08T20:11:21.424+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1513636574733009027`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Oh functional testing gear/setup?
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## message-1513636875913658529
**2026-06-08T20:12:33.231+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513636875913658529`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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TT is on my list
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## message-1513636992175312947
**2026-06-08T20:13:00.95+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513636992175312947`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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What is cost per chip, packaged?
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## message-1513637055723343974
**2026-06-08T20:13:16.101+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513637055723343974`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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Ready to solder or mount in a socket?
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## message-1513637442337509567
**2026-06-08T20:14:48.277+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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$6 for cost of manufacturing alone
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## message-1513637499656737029
**2026-06-08T20:15:01.943+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1513637499656737029`
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(half width)
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## message-1513637646864482368
**2026-06-08T20:15:37.04+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513637646864482368`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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That on a PCB with pins or vias?
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## message-1513637936485237070
**2026-06-08T20:16:46.091+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Yeah, thats bonded on CoB
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## message-1513638050075508806
**2026-06-08T20:17:13.173+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1513638050075508806`
- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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That doesnt include the rest of the pcb to make it work, just to attach it to something else without diy wirebonding
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## message-1513638053540003880
**2026-06-08T20:17:13.999+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513638053540003880`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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Chip on board?
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## message-1513638070883319858
**2026-06-08T20:17:18.134+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1513638070883319858`
- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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Yes
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## message-1513638086263836822
**2026-06-08T20:17:21.801+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513638086263836822`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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Kk
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## message-1513638167222292520
**2026-06-08T20:17:41.103+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513638167222292520`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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I can sell these for $20
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## message-1513638250504388679
**2026-06-08T20:18:00.959+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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You wont break even at $20
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## message-1513638296436215958
**2026-06-08T20:18:11.91+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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My users would jump at these
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## message-1513638314735829022
**2026-06-08T20:18:16.273+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1513638314735829022`
- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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Not for only 1k units
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## message-1513638345341931821
**2026-06-08T20:18:23.57+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513638345341931821`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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It's 3x what you just said
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## message-1513638389407158392
**2026-06-08T20:18:34.076+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1513638389407158392`
- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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Yes, thats literally just for manufacturing lol
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## message-1513638446810267749
**2026-06-08T20:18:47.762+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513638446810267749`
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I'll do the VHDL myself
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## message-1513638448613949572
**2026-06-08T20:18:48.192+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1513638448613949572`
- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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Your NREs and overhead are not included in that
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## message-1513638493903917169
**2026-06-08T20:18:58.99+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513638493903917169`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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Nre?
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## message-1513638509183897811
**2026-06-08T20:19:02.633+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Oh boy
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## message-1513638581263142992
**2026-06-08T20:19:19.818+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513638581263142992`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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Not sure what that abbreviation is
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## message-1513638938387021998
**2026-06-08T20:20:44.963+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1513638938387021998`
- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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https://www.7pcb.com/blog/nre-tooling-costs
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## message-1513639045237051422
**2026-06-08T20:21:10.438+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Tbf the power cost for openlane on spare HW isn't that substantial...
And at that quantity shipping doesn't have to be that much.
It's still ambitious to break even on "retail" with that, though.
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## message-1513639054854590707
**2026-06-08T20:21:12.731+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513639054854590707`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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Ok. Thanks. That's an odd abbreviation to me. Appreciate you.
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## message-1513639060831211601
**2026-06-08T20:21:14.156+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1513639060831211601`
- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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This is aimed at PCBs, you have all the other design + v/v and documentation stuff on top of that
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## message-1513639259360333855
**2026-06-08T20:22:01.489+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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$20+shipping is reasonable
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## message-1513639328356765960
**2026-06-08T20:22:17.939+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah you're definitely not gonna crowd fund this tapeout this year if you're doing this anywhere close to alone.
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## message-1513639399324389386
**2026-06-08T20:22:34.859+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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Probably not this year, no
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## message-1513639457583268000
**2026-06-08T20:22:48.749+00:00 — namibj**
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Learn get experience _then_ do it though!
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## message-1513639473831743758
**2026-06-08T20:22:52.623+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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Dev will be a long time coming. Then marketing
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## message-1513639629943734443
**2026-06-08T20:23:29.843+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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I might have ,80% of the VHDL and an fpga by end of year
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## message-1513639693550616727
**2026-06-08T20:23:45.008+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1513639693550616727`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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How many PCBs with >=4 layers have you designed and gotten manufactured?
```
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## message-1513639775792402595
**2026-06-08T20:24:04.616+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
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I'm not a PCB designer
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## message-1513639798194176041
**2026-06-08T20:24:09.957+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513639798194176041`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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I write VHDL
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## message-1513639958156673054
**2026-06-08T20:24:48.095+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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How are you going to test your chips
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## message-1513640036539568349
**2026-06-08T20:25:06.783+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1513640036539568349`
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I don't think you're crowdfunding alone next year, but if you find someone to respect the "hardware hard" part of such a project, it could happen.
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## message-1513640335203373126
**2026-06-08T20:26:17.99+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513640335203373126`
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Breadboard right now. I am planning to tinker with PCB, I prefer to stay focused on vlsi
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## message-1513640467076747385
**2026-06-08T20:26:49.431+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513640467076747385`
- Author ID: `556515656992948258`
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- Edited: 2026-06-08T20:27:10.575+00:00
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6502 are pretty simple to work with
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## message-1513640505844564069
**2026-06-08T20:26:58.674+00:00 — Wayfarer (@wayfarer.technologies)**
- Message ID: `1513640505844564069`
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Such is why it's chosen
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## message-1513651869325459536
**2026-06-08T21:12:07.939+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah tho the market for play gadgets is not large especially such types.
I'm looking forward to trying to use a tall half slot to drive a couple parallel EPC-co GaN "mosfets" (5V gate drive, very fast) in optically controlled floating nature (the mosfets are directly attached to the gf180mcuD die, that controller is optically communicating with a central brain) for stacking the mosfet modules in series for more voltage.
That requires them to be carefully driven to switch all together or one module will see too much drain voltage and immediately blow a crater into the GaN die from the resulting avalanche discharge.
But it also should be efficient and fast, hence the reach for an ASIC that can provide per-"mosfet"-die tuned gate drive waveforms to a DAC and then an integrated efficiency-optimized (very distorting) amplifier that drives the actual "mosfet" gate.
It's just not really done otherwise, because who'd willingly burden themselves with such severe dV/dt (in other words, such high frequencies at those spicy voltages).
The only thing I know that goes near that is the inbuilt rectifier/voltage multiplier of a CRT flyback transformer. And that's barely still audible to mildly ultrasonic, not several MHz.
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## message-1513652473896898560
**2026-06-08T21:14:32.08+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1513652473896898560`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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Shy of specialty things that need/want integration, few things actually want this type of process taped out.
I good you can replace some smaller FPGA applications, at the cost of programmability.
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## message-1513652894304440453
**2026-06-08T21:16:12.313+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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The CoB option gives you a breakout to a mezzanine connector. You will need *another* assembled PCB to adapt this to DIP. Then, you need to factor in costs for shipping and import duties (of the parts to you), VAT, probably other taxes and business upkeep costs, shipping (to the customers) and, for international customers (which you will have in this market) even more duties and tariffs!
$20 is not realistic.
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## message-1513653290095874211
**2026-06-08T21:17:46.677+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I played with the idea of selling my chips extensively, but gave up on doing it alone (for now)
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## message-1513653511852790013
**2026-06-08T21:18:39.548+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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US tariffs are particularly brutal right now, which is what ultimately made me go "Nah, screw this"
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## message-1513655253231472701
**2026-06-08T21:25:34.725+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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I think there are some niches where it could make sense, especially because you have access to those LDMOS fets
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## message-1513655688398639355
**2026-06-08T21:27:18.477+00:00 — namibj**
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I got a batch of 50 boards with voltage regulator capacitors and one LGA package fabbed at JLC around last Christmas for 25€ each of which iirc like 16€ each was that LGA.
At QTY 1k and unless I missed some new tariffs it'd be possibly to get DIP'd w.s. COBs into domestic bubble mailers and posted, unless that e-waste recycling law happens to get in the way there, not sure I'm not selling retail.
But yeah it'd be _barely_ and no profit.
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## message-1513655950383517768
**2026-06-08T21:28:20.939+00:00 — namibj**
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Especially once we figure an economic flip chip "power stage contacts" packaging.
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## message-1513656179677597816
**2026-06-08T21:29:15.607+00:00 — namibj**
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(Inductance mainly.)
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## message-1513656420233646271
**2026-06-08T21:30:12.96+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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I do wonder how companies like THAT can produce their chips relatively affordably on tiny (~100 mm) wafers
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## message-1513656606179463278
**2026-06-08T21:30:57.293+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1513656606179463278`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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What kinda chips?
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## message-1513656655714189383
**2026-06-08T21:31:09.103+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Audio
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## message-1513656706846949436
**2026-06-08T21:31:21.294+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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Same with Sound Semiconductor, but I believe they're fabless
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## message-1513656768696291468
**2026-06-08T21:31:36.04+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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https://cabintechglobal.com/ssi2130 for ex
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**2026-06-08T21:31:47.259+00:00 — namibj**
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Ahhh hmmm
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**2026-06-08T21:32:47.206+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
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https://thatcorp.com/that-6261-6263-6266-dual-low-noise-programmable-gain-preamplifier-adc-driver-ic/
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## message-1513659403537223784
**2026-06-08T21:42:04.235+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1513659403537223784`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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- User name: polyfractal
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- Edited: 2026-06-08T21:42:53.123+00:00
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regarding pricing, I just ordered some PCB + assembly to test my chip a little easier than breadboard. Relatively simple 4 layer board (micro, headers, few level shifters, caps, resistors, only expensive part was a PSRAM module), moderate size.
- $17.90 for 5pc
- $159.75 for assembly
- $46.47 for shipping
- $78.84 for tariffs and taxes
all up that's $60 per board, plus $8.5 for the chip and COB. At qty 1000 and a better PCB that price could be brought down. But to hit $20 price point for PCB + chip COB, you'd probably have to assemble your own and keep the board ultra simple
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## message-1513660573769007225
**2026-06-08T21:46:43.24+00:00 — namibj**
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Ehhhh, look at parallax propeller 2 for example, that's 130nm on semi "fabless" and fairly big (iirc the die could fit about 1.2~1.5 MiB SRAM from it's area; they only have 512 kiB shared plus 8 cores @4 kiB local each, but it's extremely powerful IO wise.
E.g. each core could drive individual 180~250 MHz pixel clock VGA (256 pallet or fixed LUT optional, but it could sustain true color just no framebuffer to match).
Each GPIO (64 of them) has 3 8-bit DACs, one 3ns VGA-class, ~123 Ohm, one ~600 Ohm, and one iirc ~15 kOhm (that one is used for the level comparator and some select related feedback modes of the pad "drivers").
It literally lets you set (sadly only 4 bit resolution) a "high" and a "low" code for the fast DAC to use for digital GPIO output state emission, so you can directly handle e.g. 1.2V CMOS levels, together with the input comparator.
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## message-1513660963898003559
**2026-06-08T21:48:16.254+00:00 — namibj**
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Where in that breakdown are the "misc" components? The *assembly cost"?
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## message-1513661131003007026
**2026-06-08T21:48:56.095+00:00 — namibj**
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Propeller 2 is 12$ in quantity
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## message-1513661196660768808
**2026-06-08T21:49:11.749+00:00 — namibj**
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(last I looked)
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## message-1513661592439357620
**2026-06-08T21:50:46.11+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1513661592439357620`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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- Edited: 2026-06-08T21:51:03.989+00:00
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It's by far the fanciest "GPIO pad" of any microcontroller.
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## message-1513662084662038731
**2026-06-08T21:52:43.465+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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yeah lumped into assembly cost. Lemme find the BOM vs actual assembly breakdown
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## message-1513662194246488096
**2026-06-08T21:53:09.592+00:00 — namibj**
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Just checking otherwise I'd have called out your choice of expensive assembly.
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## message-1513662295685730479
**2026-06-08T21:53:33.777+00:00 — namibj**
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I should sleep now.
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## message-1513662749333258351
**2026-06-08T21:55:21.935+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1513662749333258351`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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some of this would fall under NRE that amortizes over a lot of parts for sure, just expensive at such low quantity.
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## message-1513663012320579656
**2026-06-08T21:56:24.636+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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but yeah, cost is mostly _not_ the physical PCB or components. all in assembly, fixturing, setup fees, non-standard parts being loaded etc
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## message-1513664642549809283
**2026-06-08T22:02:53.313+00:00 — namibj**
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Fancy board to need fixture
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## message-1513664766042964159
**2026-06-08T22:03:22.756+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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```text
🤷♂️ I'm a PCB newbie and just yolo'd it, but it is double sided so that's probably why
```
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## message-1513664800608223385
**2026-06-08T22:03:30.997+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1513664800608223385`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
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Ohh yeah
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## message-1513745492104974417
**2026-06-09T03:24:09.349+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
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My serv based chip from run 1 is toggling GPIOs. With the help of a sacrificial iCEBreaker board (FTDI + QSPI + 12MHz oscillator already populated and connected) 🎉
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## message-1513745557472935956
**2026-06-09T03:24:24.934+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
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- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
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- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
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## message-1513745644760727573
**2026-06-09T03:24:45.745+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1513745644760727573`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
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## message-1513852309262696458
**2026-06-09T10:28:36.544+00:00 — namibj**
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what that chip (good) for?
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## message-1513861237442744390
**2026-06-09T11:04:05.188+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1513861237442744390`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
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An experiment with the serv + spram wrapper. It's an array of 23 seperate cores, plus some basic peripherals. A SPI loader on boot pre-loads each cores memory. (the above trace)
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## message-1513861867641114734
**2026-06-09T11:06:35.439+00:00 — namibj**
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Sorry, "serv" is too generic a term to make me confident to Google it and get the right thing. Got a link perhaps or such?
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## message-1513862088173424760
**2026-06-09T11:07:28.018+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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https://github.com/olofk/serv
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## message-1513862589204004906
**2026-06-09T11:09:27.473+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
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Ahh sorry. Yes, not very googlable. "SErial Risc V" CPU.
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## message-1513930964261273732
**2026-06-09T15:41:09.357+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Are the commands for manually running klayout DRC and antenna rule check on a GDSII file documented anywhere?
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## message-1513943533026017455
**2026-06-09T16:31:05.984+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1513945166157844632
**2026-06-09T16:37:35.353+00:00 — namibj**
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"pre-tested metal inductors"?
Do we have any?
SH.1 says circular inductors are theoretically supported?
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## message-1513946767006109887
**2026-06-09T16:43:57.025+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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As far as I know, no. However, we might see some inductors with 45-degree angles taped out on ws-run #2.
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## message-1513951891506200627
**2026-06-09T17:04:18.801+00:00 — namibj**
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If I can cook some suitable ones in the next few hours I expect to use some simple and some T-coil ones in the serializer.
Would be nice to have those much sharper clock edges at the final MUX.
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**2026-06-10T10:50:02.394+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1514224121909612704
**2026-06-10T11:06:03.587+00:00 — namibj**
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````text
This _seems_ like it might easily enough be adapted to our (gf18mcuD instead of that file's SG13G2) layer stack and would unlock generic "linear network" PEX one could hook up to SPICE (Xyce's easy way seems locked to harmonic balance aka large-signal (non-linear, with harmonics and intermodulation!) AC, but it shouldn't be too hard to make an analog behavioral model out of it (`README.md` "The resulting S-parameters can be used for simulation, but you can also extract a narrowband lumped element pi model using the pi-from-s2p tool.")) `workflow/run_generic_nport.py`:
>>>
```python
# Model comments
#
# This is a generic model running port excitation for all ports defined below,
# to get full [S] matrix data.
# Output is stored to Touchstone S-parameter file.
# No data plots are created by this script.
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## message-1514227181184614461
**2026-06-10T11:18:12.975+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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@Ghaith Al Sabagh has already ported the XML to gf180mcuD for the IEEE Chipathon. He will tape out some inductors on ws-run #2.
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## message-1514271651716403370
**2026-06-10T14:14:55.576+00:00 — Ghaith Al Sabagh (@ghaithalsabagh)**
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Hi @namibj
You would find the needed xml files for openEMS and palace AWS here:
https://github.com/EngGhaith/The-Silent-Owl-GF180MCU-WB-LNA/tree/main/EM-Flow
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## message-1514305491046764715
**2026-06-10T16:29:23.501+00:00 — namibj**
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Ohh great!
Are there any inductors already designed for that 2.4 GHz target I could maybe use as stand-in reference for my 2.5 GHz (design target, looks possible ||with (either) minor peaking into the final 4:1 MUX or (alternatively) employing 3-tap FIR between the mux node and the limiting amplifier acting as pre-driver for a current-mode adjustable-current (FIR tap) output driver (the tap's "PA")||) clock tree buffers?
Before specializing any further on serializer architecture and speed;
I'd like to have physically feasible clock signal reference waveforms for designing (2:1 and the final 4:1) MUX cells, latch cells, and then doing a bit of floorplan "preliminary PnR" to know that overall design can fit into the ttgf0p3 tile I got.
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## message-1514366261126103183
**2026-06-10T20:30:52.217+00:00 — namibj**
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https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/11092168 ahh, yes, _paywalls_
but it does sound like it has already scripted the port interfacing stuffs between OpenEMS and Xyce there, and it kinda sounds like they're bypassing the native Xyce limitation of it's `YLIN` device.
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## message-1514451004760785058
**2026-06-11T02:07:36.674+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
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Hmm I synthesized our design with AS 3v3 SCL, and it synthesized a dfxtp_4 cell but it isn't in the Verilog models
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## message-1514501514767372329
**2026-06-11T05:28:19.198+00:00 — namibj**
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the _4 is just drive strength though?
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## message-1514532046796624053
**2026-06-11T07:29:38.601+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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You can open an issue or pull request in this repository: https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3
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## message-1514573473941422140
**2026-06-11T10:14:15.602+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
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opened up an issue 👍
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## message-1514573695652331520
**2026-06-11T10:15:08.462+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
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I believe you have to duplicate the Verilog cell model for each drive strength as well
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## message-1514950755684061256
**2026-06-12T11:13:26.579+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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The new KLayout DRC setup is not messing around, I see
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## message-1515077446792118383
**2026-06-12T19:36:52.093+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
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Needs more ram consumption
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## message-1515159607096508617
**2026-06-13T01:03:20.636+00:00 — dmv (@.dmv)**
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I found it worthwhile to run proper DRC jobs by spinning up an AWS r6i.2xlarge instance (8 vCPU, 64 GiB memory) -- it's $0.5 / hr in us-east-1 on demand, and my (fairly complex, analog) design generally takes <30 minutes. It's all scripted to spin up, copy over the changes to test, execute, wait to retrieve logs, and turn off. I kept hitting OOM issues on my (18GiB) laptop, 40 minutes in, so these sanity checks are worth the quarter per validation for me.
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## message-1516063956459065504
**2026-06-15T12:56:54.326+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah I'm so lucky I got plenty spare ram in my workstation
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## message-1516165982698340583
**2026-06-15T19:42:19.277+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
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Kind of unrelated to wafer.space, but I can't seem to open Magic with OpenGL as the display driver.
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## message-1516166125644419103
**2026-06-15T19:42:53.358+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
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I'm using Magic bundled with the current flake in the project template
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## message-1516166208209158164
**2026-06-15T19:43:13.043+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
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- Author ID: `236632873782738944`
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Cairo and X11 works fine
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## message-1516472297198845983
**2026-06-16T15:59:30.345+00:00 — Hoffmann (@georgehoffmann428)**
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```
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## message-1516480703666327572
**2026-06-16T16:32:54.603+00:00 — J-Lo (@crockpotveggies)**
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Which channel do I use for GDS submission bugs and issues?
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## message-1516490344760610839
**2026-06-16T17:11:13.219+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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It seems Nikola has asked the question in https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1443758028393414818/1516487268443881512
We don't have a channel for the platform/precheck yet, so you can just ask in #⁉️-questions.
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## message-1516490500276752454
**2026-06-16T17:11:50.297+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Can you please open an issue in: https://github.com/fossi-foundation/nix-eda
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## message-1516648308129665156
**2026-06-17T03:38:54.621+00:00 — carlfk**
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## message-1516661717709361283
**2026-06-17T04:32:11.714+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1516661717709361283`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
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18 hours!
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## message-1516678024802734251
**2026-06-17T05:36:59.628+00:00 — carlfk**
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Wingate wants to take the wafer home it is done.
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## message-1516779111039766710
**2026-06-17T12:18:40.465+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
- Message ID: `1516779111039766710`
- Author ID: `1386929896323944612`
- Nickname: Thorben
- User name: thorben_61995
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For anyone interested: Here's a frontside microscope image of my full die, best quality I could fit in Discord's 10 MB limit.
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## message-1516779617707491471
**2026-06-17T12:20:41.264+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
- Message ID: `1516779617707491471`
- Author ID: `1386929896323944612`
- Nickname: Thorben
- User name: thorben_61995
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-06-17T12:21:42.25+00:00
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I will be able to share full SEM images of all (or most) layers in a few weeks/months. The picture above is optical microscopy obviously.
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## message-1516850996100468757
**2026-06-17T17:04:19.199+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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just might make run2 after all! The chip is a path tracer: two-way barrel processor (sorta), 8KB SRAM dedicated to hot tier of geometry, 768B SRAM for materials, HyperBus controller to talk to 8MB off-chip PSRAM. If it works, the plan is to array a bunch of these on a PCB and make a vaguely performant GPU
First image is the result of 8hr iverilog simulation running through the full chip design, second image is a proxy render in python of what it should look like 🙂
Leaned on AI a lot for this one, so not super stoked about code quality. Think it'll probably end up as a "let's re-design this from scratch" sort of video series if/when I make one. Did learn a bunch about pipelining and debugging big combinatorial cones though!
```
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## message-1516857552317714595
**2026-06-17T17:30:22.323+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1516857552317714595`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1516857552317714595
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I’ve been thinking of submitting a GPU to a future shuttle, but a rasterizer. Basically an array of RISC-y stream processors with some GPU bits around it. Like, the triangle queue or texture interpolators.
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## message-1516857726553296996
**2026-06-17T17:31:03.864+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1516857726553296996`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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But I’d like it to be self-contained on a single chip with *maybe* the option to do scan line interleaving with multiple independent GPUs
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## message-1516857924759326792
**2026-06-17T17:31:51.12+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1516857924759326792`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I’ll give it a 32-bit address bus that’s fully broken out so I can give it up to 4GiB of memory and render anything I want given enough time
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## message-1516860247749165189
**2026-06-17T17:41:04.964+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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that would be very cool! one thing I definitely under-appreciated is just how memory-bound path tracing ends up being. spend most of your time just waiting for PSRAM to return 😩 Would definitely design things differently next time around.
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## message-1516888510907289782
**2026-06-17T19:33:23.426+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1516888510907289782`
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I so hope I can get at least a PRBS C2 serializer filed before the deadline; C4 would of course be _awesome._
If the latter _does_ succeed (in the short time left), and I manage to do so without breaking implementation bugs, we'd at least probably get to see shortly before Run3 whether we have a proper fast serial TX as suitable for (notably) digital GPU output.
I'd be confident about it being fast enough for usual digital video PHYs; the wishful hope for the C4 is to _maybe_ serialize fast enough to keep a 10GBASE-KR receiver listening if only I'd use the correct LFSR scambler and do some minimum valid framing structure.
Not gonna happen for _this_ deadline, though!
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## message-1516981446525452389
**2026-06-18T01:42:41.004+00:00 — Micro (@perceptronic123)**
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Hello!
I am an agentic engineer specializing in software development across various fields, including AI, full-stack, mobile app development, and e-commerce (Include of Web3 & dApp).
Until two years ago, I worked on coding line by line, but recently, I have been handling all tasks directly using coding agents.
In the past year alone, I have participated as a Lead Engineer in several projects and have devoted significant effort to architecture design.
No matter how complex the logic, the development process runs smoothly as long as the architecture is well-designed.
I enjoy finding correct way in crowded environments and solving complex problems simply. If you have a promising project, please contact me.
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## message-1517022681684250705
**2026-06-18T04:26:32.232+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1517023159306551417
**2026-06-18T04:28:26.106+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
- Message ID: `1517023159306551417`
- Author ID: `709384666909507634`
- Nickname: Egor Lukyanchenko
- User name: egorxe
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- Edited: 2026-06-18T04:37:23.655+00:00
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Options 2 and 3 should be 14 July / 30 July, not June.
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## message-1517024037484888174
**2026-06-18T04:31:55.48+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Could you upload to @digshadow's SiliconPrawn site?
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## message-1517024746666065941
**2026-06-18T04:34:44.562+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Dammit! I recreated the poll with the correct dates.
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## message-1517031855377879070
**2026-06-18T05:02:59.411+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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I would like to advocate for a 1-month extension here if it’s Ok. A lot of people are using 3.3V OCD SRAMs in their Run 2 designs, and as discussed in the #📝-project-template channel, the earliest @Tim Edwards will be able to begin testing those is a week or so from now. I guess if everything goes according to plan, we're likely to get some conclusive data sometime around the original deadline. This means that if there is any major problem, people won’t have enough time to change their designs and might end up with non-functional chips. And I’m not even talking about the AS 3.3V SCL… 😅 Also there were some significant updates to the project template just recently and a transition to the openpdks PDK repos, and it takes time to accommodate and verify those.
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## message-1517080134044356660
**2026-06-18T08:14:49.942+00:00 — Oliver (@olexorus)**
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```text
Seems like there was a significant jump in slots bought recently? The Crowdsupply page now lists 16 full size slots, I think last time I checked it was 6 or 7?
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## message-1517100440263594096
**2026-06-18T09:35:31.322+00:00 — dmv (@.dmv)**
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I just bought one. I needed to get my design to complete before I was confident enough to purchase. Having missed the early bird, it didn't make sense to buy before I knew my scheme could fit. I imagine I'm not alone in that behavior, and that this will be a common pattern between runs.
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## message-1517151683896148108
**2026-06-18T12:59:08.756+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Didn't see this message until today; you can message me directly with questions about magic.
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## message-1517159541177843782
**2026-06-18T13:30:22.078+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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In this case, however, I assume the issue is with the Nix derivation and not magic itself.
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## message-1517320077492617268
**2026-06-19T00:08:16.918+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1517354314249670786
**2026-06-19T02:24:19.597+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Read the article on @asic destroyer die from Run #1
Looking forward to see this boot!!
https://www.crowdsupply.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-run-2/updates/taping-out-kianv-a-linux-xv6-capable-risc-v-soc
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## message-1517434344178712687
**2026-06-19T07:42:20.219+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1517434344178712687`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
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I don’t think this description of Run 1 is accurate anymore, @Tim 'mithro' Ansell :P
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## message-1517464869404672040
**2026-06-19T09:43:38+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Also, I promise I’ve been working on a Run 2 submission using only my 3.3 SCL for the full chip, but I’m just not yet ready to show anything
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## message-1517464920487104594
**2026-06-19T09:43:50.179+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I can only say: there will be more art
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## message-1517594154073325708
**2026-06-19T18:17:21.867+00:00 — carlfk**
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how many pins are there? the COB connector has something like 84?
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## message-1517642594585415880
**2026-06-19T21:29:50.985+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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70
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## message-1517643802729386094
**2026-06-19T21:34:39.029+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Of which 56 are for signals, the rest are power
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## message-1517655363581902990
**2026-06-19T22:20:35.351+00:00 — carlfk**
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Thanks!
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## message-1517805594935955619
**2026-06-20T08:17:33.297+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Hey TinyTapeout team, I'm trying to get a bit of a tutorial thing going and was looking for what you guys and was looking for guides.
I see sywater and IHP, is there no GF? Does that matter?
https://tinytapeout.com/hdl/templates/
Thanks!
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## message-1517862493538619565
**2026-06-20T12:03:38.981+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
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I noticed the same thing
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## message-1517863037929918554
**2026-06-20T12:05:48.774+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That must finish fast for you, though
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## message-1517863095668707339
**2026-06-20T12:06:02.54+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I still wanna know how I can enable this multithreading when hardening my macros
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## message-1517863331938177168
**2026-06-20T12:06:58.871+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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That's above my pay grade.
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## message-1517875061413904565
**2026-06-20T12:53:35.396+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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You need a recent version of LibreLane and the PDK and set the DRC workers to max: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/blob/25c2dfa8891ecc065a6dca8a40e6561266866212/librelane/config.yaml#L172
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## message-1517877067218157569
**2026-06-20T13:01:33.617+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Thanks. That’s gonna make things go by so much faster for me.
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## message-1517997261538463884
**2026-06-20T20:59:10.176+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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oh, also, on the matter of test structures requested for the e-test things on Run2:
1. MOS structures with bent gates (PDK says the DRC allow 45 degree bends of gate poly (on active!), but I'm pretty sure that's not in any real way tested for extraction/SPICE).
2. MOS structues with multiple fingers in series without contacts on the intermediate, such as those that happen in NAND gates in NMOS logic (and are part of the AOI/OAI gate family in CMOS).
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## message-1518118871364534457
**2026-06-21T05:02:24.218+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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So @Tholin those runs ended up failing on me.
More generally I'm trying to get a [starter kit](https://github.com/evezor/wafer_space_docker_based_starter_kit) that is easy for people to start with and creates some docker containers with a sample project.
Seems there is an issue with the version of KLayout that comes with the LibreLane container.
I have run it a few times and was only able to finish when I set workers to 1
Seems it's an issue with the KLayout version that ships with the container and should be updated to a newer version.
@Leo Moser (mole99) or others, would you like for me to create an issue on github? I can share more details if needed.
Thanks
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## message-1518194355578339348
**2026-06-21T10:02:21.057+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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- User name: mole99
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You need at least KLayout 0.30.9 for the new DRC runner. That's why the project template uses Librelane dev.
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## message-1518194874913001473
**2026-06-21T10:04:24.876+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
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Yeah, I guess I'm referring to the latest containerized version `ghcr.io/librelane/librelane:3.1.0.dev1` which comes with `KLayout 0.30.7`
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## message-1518196556636098601
**2026-06-21T10:11:05.83+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1518196556636098601`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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I see! Yes, the docker container is only ever built on a version increase and dev hasn't seen one for quite a while. I'll make sure to bump the version.
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## message-1518196663297245295
**2026-06-21T10:11:31.26+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Thanks 💜
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## message-1518280387435036702
**2026-06-21T15:44:12.65+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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I'm happy to report that my eFuse IPs taped out on the Run 1 testchip seem to be working fine. For now only one chip was tested, but all Wishbone and async eFuse blocks (a total of around 35kBits) were written and read correctly as long as enough current was supplied during write (around 15mA at 5V per "burning" bit). Write works reliably only with 5V supply, but if burned at 5V, read worked fine at least down to 3.3V. Also the short read endurance test was performed, and 160 tested efuse bits (around half of them in "burned" state) survived 200 million reads without failures. For conclusive results more chips have to be tested, but these first tests look promising for future use of eFuses in 5V designs.
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## message-1518317793710444614
**2026-06-21T18:12:51.001+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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LibreLane Docker image `ghcr.io/librelane/librelane:3.1.0.dev2` is now available.
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## message-1518333518671773877
**2026-06-21T19:15:20.124+00:00 — namibj**
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Can you tease us with density information that one would get from that memory technology?
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## message-1518360569508270160
**2026-06-21T21:02:49.546+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
- Message ID: `1518360569508270160`
- Author ID: `738396032295108721`
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- User name: bailey8889
- Type: `Reply`
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How do you extract the efuses? Is there already a model in the PDK/rule decks?
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## message-1518377636596813925
**2026-06-21T22:10:38.657+00:00 — kcolley**
- Message ID: `1518377636596813925`
- Author ID: `413143556103077898`
- Nickname: kcolley
- User name: kcolley
- Type: `Reply`
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Woohoo, finally some on-die non-volatile memory on an open-source PDK! Sure it's one-time programmable, so just... don't make mistakes 😝. Really awesome though, could be very nice for provisioning per-chip keys or permanently enabling/disabling configs or features. Great work, I'll be using it!
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## message-1518378504117551104
**2026-06-21T22:14:05.49+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1518378504117551104`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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```text
This error has been haunting me the entire time I’ve been developing this chip
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## message-1518414374987894937
**2026-06-22T00:36:37.772+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1518414374987894937`
- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
- Nickname: Christopher
- User name: fossify_37988
- Type: `Reply`
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enables OTP gate arrays which are super handy
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## message-1518437860624306176
**2026-06-22T02:09:57.184+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1518437860624306176`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
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@Egor Lukyanchenko So there are some links for folks to explore more. Are these correct?
Compiler https://github.com/egorxe/gf180_efuse_compiler
Precompiled blocks https://github.com/egorxe/gf180mcu_re_efuse
run1 design: https://github.com/ZeduloTech/gf180mcu-testchip2025
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## message-1518439834060853248
**2026-06-22T02:17:47.688+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
- Message ID: `1518439834060853248`
- Author ID: `709384666909507634`
- Nickname: Egor Lukyanchenko
- User name: egorxe
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1518439834060853248
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Yes. Also, the precompiled blocks are now available with the open_pdks PDK installation.
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## message-1518441569236156456
**2026-06-22T02:24:41.386+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
- Message ID: `1518441569236156456`
- Author ID: `709384666909507634`
- Nickname: Egor Lukyanchenko
- User name: egorxe
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Extraction models are available in both Magic and KLayout. Magic extracts efuse cell as a subcircuit and KLayout as a 100 Ohm resistor.
```
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## message-1518442325746122852
**2026-06-22T02:27:41.752+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
- Message ID: `1518442325746122852`
- Author ID: `709384666909507634`
- Nickname: Egor Lukyanchenko
- User name: egorxe
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2026-06-22T02:34:47.14+00:00
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Raw eFuse array density (without digital wrappers) is ~10 kBit/mm^2. No teases here, you can check it yourself just by looking in the GDS 😄.
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## message-1518448335491563540
**2026-06-22T02:51:34.587+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1518448335491563540`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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So, https://platform.wafer.space seems like it is up and running. Can people give it a try?
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## message-1518535858150572052
**2026-06-22T08:39:21.615+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1518535858150572052`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Reply`
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I updated all the images and everything worked to completion.
Thanks!!
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## message-1518643600093610124
**2026-06-22T15:47:29.296+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1518643600093610124`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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I am putting together a palette which I will tape out on this shuttle, to be imaged under a microscope and used to help future artistic efforts
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## message-1518647186009755800
**2026-06-22T16:01:44.245+00:00 — J-Lo (@crockpotveggies)**
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Does the lack of a delay announcement mean we’re sticking with June 30 tape out? @Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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## message-1518720880170242088
**2026-06-22T20:54:34.302+00:00 — namibj**
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Does anyone know any "good" use for the allowed 45 degree bends of `poly2` on `comp` (i.e., bent gates)?: `PL.7` says they only have to be mildly longer (gate length; poly2 "width") than minimums for straight gates: https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_07_08.html
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## message-1518723996101644440
**2026-06-22T21:06:57.198+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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## message-1518724027575697449
**2026-06-22T21:07:04.702+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Saving a bit of space on contacts ...
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## message-1518726267019722762
**2026-06-22T21:15:58.627+00:00 — namibj**
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Do these techniques matter enough to care about designing with them (and thus looking at covering the extent that gate structure affects extraction/SPICE in the E-test)?
I'd figure it might also come into play for escaping the gate fingers to a pitch they can be independently contacted, c.f. if the `W2` section depicted doesn't have diffusion contacts, but is still needed for the gate poly to be contacted directly)?
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## message-1518726686542397573
**2026-06-22T21:17:38.649+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The DFM rules basically say to avoid these is you expect any kind of precision for your devices 😅
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## message-1518728967593525452
**2026-06-22T21:26:42.494+00:00 — namibj**
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Hmmmpf.
(Do they litho in poorly reproducible fashion, or what's going on there to explain them being only-usable-for-digital-switching?
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## message-1518756781482840244
**2026-06-22T23:17:13.842+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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also curious how stressed I need to be this week with trying to wrap up my design 🙂
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## message-1518875015204831293
**2026-06-23T07:07:02.958+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I was suppose to have a meeting with CrowdSupply this morning but they didn't turn up
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## message-1518876578887499866
**2026-06-23T07:13:15.769+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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How many slots are used ATM ? I know TT takes 3 slots. Not sure if it's counted in the "17 people loves us" on crowdsupply.
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## message-1518876882777669704
**2026-06-23T07:14:28.222+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Interestingly CS seems to let me pick a half width slot, but AFAIK there are only 4 of those and they're already taken.
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## message-1518879254912434298
**2026-06-23T07:23:53.783+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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We added one more vertical and one more horizontal cut to this shuttle run. This means that there are fewer full slots, but more half slots in total.
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## message-1518879415851945999
**2026-06-23T07:24:32.154+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Oh I see. So only 18 full slots.
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## message-1518879900583329892
**2026-06-23T07:26:27.723+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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That's right. We may still rearrange things based on the final allocation, but this is what we planned with.
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## message-1518934435905536190
**2026-06-23T11:03:09.957+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Reply`
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I'm sure everyone is looking for a definitive answer.
As far as I understand, Tim has been talking with the people who do the final review of wafer.space completed reticle before it's actually sent to the fab.
For some time, we have had a date on the calendar for when they should expect us to get that to them.
That said; there are also those internally that are wanting the couple weeks.
Again, sorry for the lack of information, there are many people this must go through and it's not just us.
Thanks for being patient.
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## message-1518940130138919123
**2026-06-23T11:25:47.568+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1518940130138919123`
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One thing that worries me a bit if there is a delay is that the review result will be right at the beginning of my vacation and so so I wouldn't be able to fix anything for 2 weeks ...
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## message-1518958541225066537
**2026-06-23T12:38:57.113+00:00 — namibj**
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Perhaps the review in question can be applied per regular schedule for those who need it (like tnt)?
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## message-1518960733625516226
**2026-06-23T12:47:39.822+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@namibj Maybe I misunderstood from run1, but IIRC some of the review is done on the full reticle when submitting it so you need it all ready.
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## message-1518962757347578036
**2026-06-23T12:55:42.315+00:00 — namibj**
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Technically yeah, but the only DRC that way should be density rules and I'd assume that to be fairly straight-forward to account for?
Like, it doesn't 100% rule out, but it should catch any actual issues that arise from the foundry using different DRC decks/engines than the open PDK.
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## message-1518963002324291624
**2026-06-23T12:56:40.722+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1518963002324291624`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-06-23T12:56:48.029+00:00
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No I meant the test is run by the foundry and they won't bother with testing your designs one by one and will wait for your final submission before bothering.
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## message-1518963101414719539
**2026-06-23T12:57:04.347+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, we receive feedback from GF after submitting the full reticle. Hopefully, no changes will be required on your end. However, if there is an issue that can't be easily fixed, we'll contact you.
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## message-1518965248642650275
**2026-06-23T13:05:36.286+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) Yeah the question is when would that be with the current deadline and with any potential delayed deadline .. because that means we need to be somewhat available to make changes and update the design ...
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## message-1518966442341695498
**2026-06-23T13:10:20.886+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Unfortunately, I can't say for certain. We need to wait for Tim to announce the final deadline.
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## message-1518985285919309884
**2026-06-23T14:25:13.545+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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cheers for the udpate @Andrew Wingate @Tim 'mithro' Ansell 🙂
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## message-1518985438973394954
**2026-06-23T14:25:50.036+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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i shall self-apply the sufficient stress assuming it's due on the original deadline 😄
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## message-1519004204004278372
**2026-06-23T15:40:23.968+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I may or may not have been cooking for a couple months here. Intending to set a record.
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## message-1519004396908843058
**2026-06-23T15:41:09.96+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Most intense 8000 lines of C code I’ve ever written
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**2026-06-23T15:41:48.363+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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This is why I’m late to the party getting my chip ready
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**2026-06-23T16:39:20.499+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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Is this the C version of @htamas MicroLane?
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**2026-06-23T16:45:03.917+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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No
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**2026-06-23T16:46:39.434+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I started from scratch
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**2026-06-23T16:47:00.86+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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**2026-06-23T17:05:31.971+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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No sorry, what I meant was it's trying the same thing, a complete RTL to GDS flow
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## message-1519025918121607238
**2026-06-23T17:06:41.017+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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I'm interested in the compromises - did you do CTS?
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## message-1519037221716365322
**2026-06-23T17:51:36.004+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yes, I did
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## message-1519056345477939361
**2026-06-23T19:07:35.464+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1519056370475860191
**2026-06-23T19:07:41.424+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Here is all the steps I implemented
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## message-1519234980666933399
**2026-06-24T06:57:25.412+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1519237895091912874
**2026-06-24T07:09:00.265+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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Wow, incredible work!
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## message-1519241401458757752
**2026-06-24T07:22:56.248+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I have finally tested my FPGA from wafer.space Run 1, and I'm happy to say that it is functional!
Video: https://makertube.net/w/fBWTsw5hSzG7AaeEb9tMCn
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## message-1519241455367880784
**2026-06-24T07:23:09.101+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Mastodon: https://fosstodon.org/@mole99/116803731726632072
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/leo-moser_fpga-opensource-asic-ugcPost-7475431981770612736-o2H-
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## message-1519245810230100160
**2026-06-24T07:40:27.381+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
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Awesome work! Will people like me be able to get their hands on one or a few of these? Would be happy to pay for it, ideally for assembled and tested boards. For my branch of research, a fully open-silicon FPGA seems like an awesome tool.
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## message-1519246116338798734
**2026-06-24T07:41:40.363+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
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Second question, do you plan to tapeout bigger versions in the future? 🙂
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## message-1519248233409413120
**2026-06-24T07:50:05.112+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I currently have 20 chips at home that I still need to sort through. Of the four I have tested so far, all were good for the features I tested. First, I need to send some boards to people I have already promised them to. After that, I'll get in touch again.
Please note, however, that this is still an experimental version. It uses the 5V transistors at 3.3V, which generally means a slower fabric. The second version that I'm working on has a better architecture with 4 GBUFs and uses the 3.3V IPs (we'll see if they work).
I'm already using a full slot on wafer.space, so a bigger version will only be possible if we do laser dicing at some point 😉
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## message-1519257261049118800
**2026-06-24T08:25:57.469+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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Does the t/o extension have any impact on when we'd expect the silicon back?
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## message-1519316804072243322
**2026-06-24T12:22:33.632+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Finally, I have something. Plenty of space for art, I think.
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## message-1519317713162338468
**2026-06-24T12:26:10.376+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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Oh, given we have some extra time, i'm thinking of throwing something together to characterise @Tholin's 3.3v library - unless someone else is already doing this?
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## message-1519317846264516709
**2026-06-24T12:26:42.11+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m not
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## message-1519325301887340627
**2026-06-24T12:56:19.669+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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What open tool do you prefer for compiling chisel to gdsii?
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**2026-06-24T12:56:42.936+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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I have tried librelane and SiliconCompiler
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**2026-06-24T12:57:27.62+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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I am trying to learn this space, but as a swe every tool really lacks in DX
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**2026-06-24T12:59:11.369+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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I don't know how people do it for "real" but I'm interested in building some reusable macros for complex stuff that will be repeated. Afaik this is a common technique.
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**2026-06-24T13:01:27.637+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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It would be so sweet if one could just declare this somehow and not needing to tweak so many config files everywhere.
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## message-1519372586704961666
**2026-06-24T16:04:13.248+00:00 — always_ff_rohan**
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this is not OSS yet?
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## message-1519382336469205063
**2026-06-24T16:42:57.773+00:00 — namibj**
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If there's anything in particular I'd be able to help with for that, do let me know.
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## message-1519412515983982774
**2026-06-24T18:42:53.13+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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I'd probably stick with librelane since wafer.space provides a project template for it (and it's very good! pretty easy to drop your RTL in and hit compile)
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## message-1519605032650018876
**2026-06-25T07:27:52.68+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Rob Taylor - I think the GDSFactory team was interested in doing some general characterization stuff.
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## message-1519605188808278137
**2026-06-25T07:28:29.911+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Thomas Pluck 2.1 - Where you going to include standard library stuff in any way?
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## message-1519605409478869155
**2026-06-25T07:29:22.523+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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FYI - I think there is a bunch we can do to increase density of your FPGA
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## message-1519606463444811897
**2026-06-25T07:33:33.808+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1519606463444811897`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1519606463444811897
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Oh, there definitely is :)
First thing would be to design a custom passgate multiplexer with integrated SRAM cells. That should increase the density considerably, however, it also affects the speed.
```
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## message-1519626930536579104
**2026-06-25T08:54:53.543+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
- Message ID: `1519626930536579104`
- Author ID: `1498420485531111548`
- Nickname: Rob Taylor
- User name: robtaylor_52029
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thanks Tim will check out
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## message-1519770407266156615
**2026-06-25T18:25:01.061+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1519770407266156615`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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```text
The default KLayout layer properties file, that is also used for the renders, has HORRIBLE color contrast between the metal layers which makes it nearly unusable. I think this is better.
```
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## message-1519774818092843009
**2026-06-25T18:42:32.684+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
- Message ID: `1519774818092843009`
- Author ID: `1498420485531111548`
- Nickname: Rob Taylor
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I'd like to announce the first official release of [Jacquard](https://github.com/gpu-eda/jacquard) - a GPU accelerated, timing aware and gate-level capable simulator. Apple GPU, NVIDIA and AMD are supported (though AMD less tested due to lack of github runners)
It currently has support for gate level simulation of SKY130 and GF180 standard cells, and the upcoming 0.3 will be able to support any cell library.
I've been using it for my recent wafer.space designs 😁
Please dig in and report any issues!
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## message-1519775925925838889
**2026-06-25T18:46:56.812+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1519775925925838889`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
- Type: `Reply`
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Will we eventually get latches?
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## message-1519778025699278959
**2026-06-25T18:55:17.437+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
- Message ID: `1519778025699278959`
- Author ID: `1498420485531111548`
- Nickname: Rob Taylor
- User name: robtaylor_52029
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in what sense?
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## message-1519778140237594705
**2026-06-25T18:55:44.745+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1519778140237594705`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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It says they're not supported.
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## message-1519778378692034742
**2026-06-25T18:56:41.597+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
- Message ID: `1519778378692034742`
- Author ID: `1498420485531111548`
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ah, async logic - maybe evetually, but thats a bugger to do fast with the scheme i use to accelerate on gpu
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## message-1519778675828985888
**2026-06-25T18:57:52.44+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
- Message ID: `1519778675828985888`
- Author ID: `1498420485531111548`
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_will clairify that line_
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## message-1519778890946707557
**2026-06-25T18:58:43.728+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Not necessarely async logic but it's not uncommon to use latch with clock gates for memory to save space.
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## message-1519779012736585862
**2026-06-25T18:59:12.765+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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```
105 +- **Edge-triggered flip-flops only** — *latches* (level-sensitive storage) are
106 + not supported. Asynchronous **set/reset on flip-flops is supported** (e.g.
107 + AIGPDK `DFFSR`, SKY130 `RESET_B`/`SET_B`, GF180MCU `RN`/`SETN`); what's
108 + excluded is latch-based / level-sensitive sequential logic, not async reset.
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## message-1519779016557596725
**2026-06-25T18:59:13.676+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Can you provide behavioral models for sub blocks / IP / macros ?
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## message-1519779048698544429
**2026-06-25T18:59:21.339+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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yep
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## message-1519779162208866365
**2026-06-25T18:59:48.402+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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- Author ID: `1498420485531111548`
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its a bit nasty at the moment, but a nice scheme coming in PR #132
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## message-1519779536449962215
**2026-06-25T19:01:17.628+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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if you could add an issue for that usecase, with an example, i'll see what i can do 🙂
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## message-1519779580775235666
**2026-06-25T19:01:28.196+00:00 — namibj**
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No, sync with latches.
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## message-1519779823306670121
**2026-06-25T19:02:26.02+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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fundamentally though, the simulation is transition based, so that'll need some thinking
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## message-1519780498128503016
**2026-06-25T19:05:06.91+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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should be doable though thanks to the clock gate
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## message-1519780876156665866
**2026-06-25T19:06:37.039+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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integrated clock-gating cell (ICG) is explicity supported, and if your memory has arisen from yosys memory-synthethis, it'll just work (thats special cased)
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## message-1519781746676203720
**2026-06-25T19:10:04.587+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I was thinking https://github.com/AUCOHL/DFFRAM
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## message-1519782402807824487
**2026-06-25T19:12:41.021+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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@tnt how is it usually used? generate a macro and manually include?
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## message-1519782712653643776
**2026-06-25T19:13:54.894+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Edited: 2026-06-25T19:14:02.232+00:00
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That's the best way. However sometimes it's only used to generate a .v netlist that's included in the larger project.
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## message-1519782870716256306
**2026-06-25T19:14:32.579+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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mm. i'd need to think a bit on that. could you log an issue, maybe with an example repo that uses it?
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## message-1519787654760239357
**2026-06-25T19:33:33.184+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I don't have any repo off hand that uses it 😅
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## message-1519787822913945681
**2026-06-25T19:34:13.275+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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They could be modelled with a mux + a FF. When 'ena' is high the mux directly output the input. And then ena falls, the FF captures input.
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## message-1519787862445265129
**2026-06-25T19:34:22.7+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Not sure about the timing part though 😅
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## message-1519790614219198666
**2026-06-25T19:45:18.774+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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tbh, its probably just checking the macro can tell jacquard that its sram
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## message-1519790733148688467
**2026-06-25T19:45:47.129+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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- Author ID: `1498420485531111548`
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i don't attempt to simulate the internals of sram, as thats really analog territory anyhow
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## message-1519791225664835705
**2026-06-25T19:47:44.554+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Edited: 2026-06-25T20:37:04.678+00:00
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Alright, FeatherLane is now JUST BARELY competent enough to Synthesize, Place and Route a RISC-V core after 8 hours of run time and I think that’s about a good place to call it quits.
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## message-1519791393696911390
**2026-06-25T19:48:24.616+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I am *exhausted* with how long this project has been going on for.
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## message-1519796623889272842
**2026-06-25T20:09:11.591+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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what's FeatherLane ? 🙂
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## message-1519800516756902109
**2026-06-25T20:24:39.723+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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this
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## message-1519800587531718727
**2026-06-25T20:24:56.597+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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## message-1520541628995993742
**2026-06-27T21:29:34.65+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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New version of the DAC, this time without the 25mA static current consumption
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## message-1520593346001637397
**2026-06-28T00:55:04.945+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Aaaand that’s a FeatherLane generated layout included on my chip
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## message-1520618100200837170
**2026-06-28T02:33:26.806+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Isn’t there supposed to be a step in the flow that automatically inserts slots to break up large metal areas?
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## message-1520660030700130426
**2026-06-28T05:20:03.816+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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It is not part of the LibreLane flow. You can find it in the KLayout setup of the PDK.
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## message-1520746626283470869
**2026-06-28T11:04:09.812+00:00 — Nino_Y (@ytrizaxgd)**
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Hi everyone, has anyone ever used cadence's tool instead of librelane flow?
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## message-1520747086608470106
**2026-06-28T11:05:59.562+00:00 — Nino_Y (@ytrizaxgd)**
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I want to try using it instead of librelane
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## message-1520761658895503381
**2026-06-28T12:03:53.866+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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...why?
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## message-1520768349796302858
**2026-06-28T12:30:29.101+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I would like to figure out how to use it so I can automatically insert slots into the art pieces
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## message-1520820901640147034
**2026-06-28T15:59:18.437+00:00 — namibj**
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This time better wiring to the digital inputs? No more half-chip-crossing minimum width wires?
Though it also looks higher impedance internally so might not matter as much?
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## message-1520825166429687881
**2026-06-28T16:16:15.242+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yeah, I bumped up the resistor values a bunch
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## message-1520868150898327732
**2026-06-28T19:07:03.538+00:00 — namibj**
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I'd still suggest putting the output drivers locally near it/harden them into the macro (or macro group if you group them again), unless math says a pathological librelane trace would cause substantially less than 1 ulp (LSB) of error _even for the MSB resistor._
I don't have the trace width and realistic upper limit of via count on hand, though, and also don't know (would have to eyeball) the value of your resistors. 4kΩ/8kΩ?
IMO feels kinda dangerous if the vias are at the higher end of their range, 8kΩ/256 = 31.25Ω, compare to 4.5Ω/via (typ) to 15Ω/via (max):
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## message-1520870406561595404
**2026-06-28T19:16:01.33+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I have a ton of words I could say about the antenna rules, but none of them are appropriate for this chat.
My die is ready (except for the art, but that’s not a functional component) and it looks like I’m going to have to allocate a week or more of my schedule to "fix antenna violations", just like last time.
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## message-1520871125406580806
**2026-06-28T19:18:52.716+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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"Inserted 9768 Diodes" and its somehow still not enough
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## message-1520873363600572486
**2026-06-28T19:27:46.343+00:00 — namibj**
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If it actually did tape out with just a single via in the resistor digital feed traces there, electromigration would have severely limited the life of the DACs; approximately it seems like mean time to failure is inversely proportional to the square of the current density (at given temperature)....
https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_14_2.html
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## message-1520874124866621500
**2026-06-28T19:30:47.843+00:00 — namibj**
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Could maybe be feasible to teach the fixer to jog offenders up above the layer on which the antenna violation triggers?
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## message-1520875230812180660
**2026-06-28T19:35:11.521+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Detailed routing is currently on the 28th antenna repair iteration and the amount of violations is going *up!* Its making it worse trying to fix it!
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## message-1520878356407783435
**2026-06-28T19:47:36.721+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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8k over 4k is right. Is that still too much current?
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## message-1520950738019156029
**2026-06-29T00:35:13.842+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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```text
Is there a librelane config variable I can use to override the contents of the `synth_exclude.cells` file with another list?
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## message-1520951192786829483
**2026-06-29T00:37:02.267+00:00 — namibj**
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> 5 volt / (8 kiloohm + 4 kiloohm) ➞ milliampere
> = 0.416667 mA [Current]
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## message-1520951368829898873
**2026-06-29T00:37:44.239+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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3.3v
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## message-1520951396986257589
**2026-06-29T00:37:50.952+00:00 — namibj**
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```
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## message-1520951493526556684
**2026-06-29T00:38:13.969+00:00 — namibj**
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oh ok
> 3.3 volt / (8 kiloohm + 4 kiloohm) ➞ milliampere
> = 0.275 mA [Current]
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## message-1520951531564961803
**2026-06-29T00:38:23.038+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Much better
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## message-1520951648745291897
**2026-06-29T00:38:50.976+00:00 — namibj**
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still questionable if that part of the chip might be running hot
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## message-1520951717376692304
**2026-06-29T00:39:07.339+00:00 — namibj**
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remember you have more than just that one via involved
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## message-1520951801954701423
**2026-06-29T00:39:27.504+00:00 — namibj**
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like it shouldn't break for a few months at least
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## message-1520952196286644225
**2026-06-29T00:41:01.52+00:00 — namibj**
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what _is_ the construction of the trunk-to-trunk segment joins, btw?
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## message-1520952295846838345
**2026-06-29T00:41:25.257+00:00 — namibj**
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many vias? continuos poly2?
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## message-1520952662626009098
**2026-06-29T00:42:52.704+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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many vias
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## message-1520952726203269131
**2026-06-29T00:43:07.862+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The maximum current draw through the output stage is now 6mA
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## message-1520952779991027782
**2026-06-29T00:43:20.686+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That should spread pretty thin over the dozens of vias
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## message-1520952850761515039
**2026-06-29T00:43:37.559+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah
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## message-1520952982907125902
**2026-06-29T00:44:09.065+00:00 — namibj**
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the resistor ladder's ends are also fitted with multiple vias each?
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## message-1520953097009234071
**2026-06-29T00:44:36.269+00:00 — namibj**
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I see 11 theoretical digits? Quite a lot....
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## message-1520953522689015860
**2026-06-29T00:46:17.759+00:00 — namibj**
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(I'm honestly just a bit sad that we're forced to use such wide resistors for the high sheet option; would be nice if we had one of the higher variants instead, but oh well... maybe in the future?)
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## message-1520954036021629149
**2026-06-29T00:48:20.147+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The output of the resistor ladder routes through a 20K resistor
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## message-1520958129653682237
**2026-06-29T01:04:36.145+00:00 — namibj**
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huh, a little bit strange given that the R-2R architecture is conveniently constant-impedance on it's own.
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## message-1520959064958435389
**2026-06-29T01:08:19.139+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The 20K is part of the inverting amplifier
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## message-1521171120550707294
**2026-06-29T15:10:57.132+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Last time, I taped out a NTSC test signal generator, though it could only do greyscale. This time, I’ll take a shot at composite color.
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## message-1521171231553093843
**2026-06-29T15:11:23.597+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The complicated analog circuitry I started designing for this isn’t done yet, but I realized I can go digital, actually.
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## message-1521171360301187072
**2026-06-29T15:11:54.293+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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4 times the color burst frequency is 14.31818MHz, which is totally doable as a clock rate for a gf180 chip
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## message-1521171465372827739
**2026-06-29T15:12:19.344+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So I can generate 4 square waves with different phases entirely digitally and get 4 hues
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## message-1521225497634410526
**2026-06-29T18:47:01.639+00:00 — namibj**
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Does anyone have a nix environment/flake/whatever-such around that would give me a _working_ KLayout with _working_ GDSFactory-based PCells as suitable for designs that get included into Run2?
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## message-1521257754772246558
**2026-06-29T20:55:12.34+00:00 — namibj**
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diff --git a/flake.nix b/flake.nix
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# For logo generation
pillow
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+ # For KLayout advanced PCells
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## message-1521257788628533298
**2026-06-29T20:55:20.412+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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It does _not_ work as one can see.
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## message-1521258636457021641
**2026-06-29T20:58:42.55+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1521258636457021641`
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This is what I wanted to check out there; for my MUX2; and possibly a 3-finger variant for the special 4:1 MUX though that particular one likely without the bulk tie; tbh that's a bit sus even for the 2:1 MUX...
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## message-1521307403339960393
**2026-06-30T00:12:29.481+00:00 — carlfk**
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```text
is there an online 3d model view of the dies?
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## message-1521308258634043572
**2026-06-30T00:15:53.399+00:00 — carlfk**
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the thinking is: cut a die, image the exposed cross section, then try to find the corisponding slice in the digital model
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## message-1521321526358577172
**2026-06-30T01:08:36.671+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Hey all,
Kindly reminder there is **10 hours left** for the run 2 purchase deadline.
https://www.crowdsupply.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-run-2
GDS will be due in 2 weeks.
Thanks!!
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## message-1521584134311383192
**2026-06-30T18:32:07.286+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Need a moderator .. @Leo Moser (mole99) / @Tim 'mithro' Ansell / @Andrew Wingate ?
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## message-1521589206995173426
**2026-06-30T18:52:16.708+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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- User name: mole99
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Done. Thanks!
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## message-1521592980723732521
**2026-06-30T19:07:16.435+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
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I've received some TinyQV chips, and I can confirm they are basically working! I've got Micropython running: https://hachyderm.io/@rebelmike/116840540971129298
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## message-1521617904301506710
**2026-06-30T20:46:18.679+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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@Thomas Pluck 2.1 do you guys have a functioning nix shell flake with a KLayout where your nice PCells _work_ ?
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## message-1521632838976278568
**2026-06-30T21:45:39.383+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1521632838976278568`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I still have not created my project on the platform, but tbf, I can’t produce DRC-clean GDSIIs right now due to a bug in the Detailed Router antenna repair.
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## message-1521634680691097631
**2026-06-30T21:52:58.482+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Librelane is connecting to this IO in a way that causes a DRC error
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## message-1521635360575328346
**2026-06-30T21:55:40.579+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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Is that port on the routing grid?
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## message-1521635549255827609
**2026-06-30T21:56:25.564+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1521635549255827609`
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It should be
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## message-1521635594839658556
**2026-06-30T21:56:36.432+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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FeatherLane uses the same routing grid dimensions as LibreLane
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## message-1521635612145352948
**2026-06-30T21:56:40.558+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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At least, for this PDK
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## message-1521645948319694985
**2026-06-30T22:37:44.894+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1521655260014444555
**2026-06-30T23:14:44.975+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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- Author ID: `738396032295108721`
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So that's a port of the I/O cell, right? Or is that a custom macro port? The via looks a little off center. Is the via placed by the router or part of the cell/block? If the cell port is on the routing grid, is the cell placement also on the routing grid? Seeing as how the wire only intersects a portion of the port vertically, I have my doubts as to whether the port is actually on the routing grid.
Note that the router will still try to route to ports that are off the routing grid, but routing is usually much cleaner if hard macros are designed with ports that are on the routing grid.
I think librelane currently distributes ports evenly without regard to the routing grid and to the cell boundary which may not be a grid multiple. Maybe an enhancement would be helpful.
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## message-1521715525355438173
**2026-07-01T03:14:13.352+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1521715525355438173`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1521715525355438173
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2026-07/2026-07.json
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Was that spam or something else?
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## message-1521753990159663105
**2026-07-01T05:47:04.076+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1521753990159663105`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
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It was spam
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## message-1521779077080420444
**2026-07-01T07:26:45.264+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1521779077080420444`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
- Nickname: carlfk
- User name: carlfk
- Type: `Default`
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```text
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## message-1521779301597450271
**2026-07-01T07:27:38.793+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1521779301597450271`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
- Nickname: carlfk
- User name: carlfk
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1521779301597450271
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```text
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## message-1521790190493106228
**2026-07-01T08:10:54.908+00:00 — Chips4Makers aka Staf Verhaegen (@chips4makers)**
- Message ID: `1521790190493106228`
- Author ID: `728516105680846892`
- Nickname: Chips4Makers aka Staf Verhaegen
- User name: chips4makers
- Type: `ThreadCreated`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1521790190493106228
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2026-07/2026-07.json
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Started a thread.
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## message-1521820652271566859
**2026-07-01T10:11:57.562+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
- Message ID: `1521820652271566859`
- Author ID: `1498420485531111548`
- Nickname: Rob Taylor
- User name: robtaylor_52029
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1521820652271566859
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**Content**
```text
quick sanity check before I submit - Should I set the ID to something that's unlikely to clash?
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## message-1521821481892315207
**2026-07-01T10:15:15.359+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
- Message ID: `1521821481892315207`
- Author ID: `1498420485531111548`
- Nickname: Rob Taylor
- User name: robtaylor_52029
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
or is that set wafer.space side when the precheck is run?
```
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## message-1521823807885545473
**2026-07-01T10:24:29.919+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1521823807885545473`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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The precheck does not check it against the other IDs, but the platform should prevent you from choosing an existing ID. The precheck will update the ID macros in your design with your chosen ID.
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## message-1521839659750264894
**2026-07-01T11:27:29.298+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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- Author ID: `1498420485531111548`
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**Content**
```text
ah, cool.
```
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## message-1521839730344591541
**2026-07-01T11:27:46.129+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
- Message ID: `1521839730344591541`
- Author ID: `1498420485531111548`
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**Content**
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thank you
```
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## message-1521847820389322772
**2026-07-01T11:59:54.946+00:00 — always_ff_rohan**
- Message ID: `1521847820389322772`
- Author ID: `735201236877312021`
- Nickname: always_ff_rohan
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- Type: `Default`
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell When is the next shuttle run scheduled?
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## message-1521883417652891698
**2026-07-01T14:21:21.995+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1521883417652891698`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
- Nickname: carlfk
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- Type: `Default`
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I suspect a few weeks after this run has been delivered so people can examine a design and submit an updated version
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## message-1521883560410349801
**2026-07-01T14:21:56.031+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1521883560410349801`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
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so about 2 weeks after Early Q4 2026 Bare dies and packaged parts shipped to customers
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## message-1521883564759846933
**2026-07-01T14:21:57.068+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Well at some point runs should be overlapping.
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## message-1521957152414240788
**2026-07-01T19:14:21.732+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Okay, the color NTSC signal generator is coming along *really* well. It looks like I will be able to generate all the colors, just really badly.
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## message-1521957253996085350
**2026-07-01T19:14:45.951+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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If this works, it’ll make for an interesting single-IO video output option
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## message-1521957373093216436
**2026-07-01T19:15:14.346+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m also going to attempt PAL again, but expect that one to catastrophically break again
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## message-1521957503468834977
**2026-07-01T19:15:45.43+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m not good at making demos, so I’ll continue to just display test patterns
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## message-1521957548251414720
**2026-07-01T19:15:56.107+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1521989183311446097
**2026-07-01T21:21:38.493+00:00 — namibj**
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just adapt one of the demo's that looks good and has a friendly license to your modulator's digital interface?
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## message-1521989557736964146
**2026-07-01T21:23:07.763+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1521989557736964146`
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Not really a thing since a RGB to YIQ converter would be too many gates, I think
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## message-1521989646043709651
**2026-07-01T21:23:28.817+00:00 — namibj**
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just check it runs at less or equal resolution vs. your modulator's needs, and black box it as necessary
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## message-1521989748938248354
**2026-07-01T21:23:53.349+00:00 — namibj**
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ehhhh
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## message-1521989968371646464
**2026-07-01T21:24:45.666+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1522027375766929470
**2026-07-01T23:53:24.284+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oops, took me until now to get a repo going
https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/ws-submission-2026
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## message-1522028121552064543
**2026-07-01T23:56:22.093+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The functional components are actually done, leaving me with a comfortable two weeks to get the art ready. There is a block of free space on the die reserved for it.
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## message-1522030462069899354
**2026-07-02T00:05:40.116+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell This is the project I wish to use to officially test my SCL, as well as my multi-project setup using my SCL. I’m also using the level-shifting IO pads, but for having a 5V IO voltage and 3.3V core voltage, which should be interesting. Also has layouts generated by my custom flow tool, *analog* layouts meant for 3.3V operation and, of course, a bunch of CPUs.
Hoping to get a lot of mileage out of this one when it comes to testing things.
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## message-1522041343172673697
**2026-07-02T00:48:54.373+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1522205772098965674
**2026-07-02T11:42:17.284+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
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Nice setup
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## message-1522265379848585439
**2026-07-02T15:39:08.879+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I fixed the antenna violations so.... I’m actually done way ahead of deadline for once. This is highly unusual!
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## message-1522265453185994813
**2026-07-02T15:39:26.364+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m just waiting for the art now
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## message-1522265587563102338
**2026-07-02T15:39:58.402+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I guess I’ll just sit here and wait for two weeks, then go get waffles?
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## message-1522271152934748180
**2026-07-02T16:02:05.29+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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In case you're bored, a mux4 would be a great addition to your SCL 😉
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## message-1522324984591286282
**2026-07-02T19:35:59.757+00:00 — carlfk**
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is that in a repo? Ste ps1 guy loves color bars, loves analog and vga. might want to see what you are doing.
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## message-1522325106192285846
**2026-07-02T19:36:28.749+00:00 — carlfk**
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oh look, a repo appeared!
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**2026-07-02T19:50:54.771+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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We will see. I am burnt out right now.
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## message-1522334821777408112
**2026-07-02T20:15:05.125+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1522334821777408112`
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In your position I'd think scripting together a flow of minting a _lot_ of `.nodeset`'s to cover all multistable/regenerative-feedback node voltages,
- through probably the LVS tooling
- and some minor singled-out-cell pseudo-DC-op-point sims where you'd start the transient with the regular DC op point initialization as always, then throw whatever waveforms against the inputs that are needed to bring the internal state into the target state, then just stop imposing a maximum step size and let the time integrator run for like an entire simulated minute or so, to then harvest the final state's node voltages from it (for the correct PVT corner! If it's _too_ different one would risk the nonlinear solver potentially skipping across the forbidden band and deciding the flip-flop is actually better off in the opposite state; I do _think_ in principle this could be solved by using the advanced continuation functionality:
the attached user guide's "Figure 8-3" "manual replication of MOSFET contonuation", amended with a 3rd `conparam` entry that happens after the `mosfet:gainscale` and `mosfet:nltermscale` entries, which will be essentially the output conductance of the current-type `B`-source which hard-forces the stateful digital logic cell's internal node voltage to the reference DC static voltage _of the desired internal state of that particular cell,_ and is ramped from a very high conductance (strong but still sufficciently numerically behaved especially when it comes to transitioning out of the forced state; I'd probably just start with `1 siemens` for any vaguely normal CMOS SCL internal nodes) down to literally `0` (which will have it be open-circuit at transient sim runtime). The parameter names legal to put into `conparam` are the same ones that are also legal to `.STEP` (the docs for how to casually do `.STEP` are far far easier to approach/read/understand than the fancy continuation stuffs).
`.options loca stepper=1 predictor=1 stepcontrol=1` could be semi-necessary to (properly/reliably) handle the effects of combinatorial loops through the (non-transparent at the time of the continuation solving!) flip-flops; if the continuation DC OP point solve ahead of the transient sim itself takes too long it'd be worth testing whether it's sufficciently robust with the tangent predictor `0` and thus the downgrade from the arc-length continuation `stepper=1` to `stepper=0`.
Though I guess _maybe_ it has to do continuation over the output resistance and push that out to near-infinity in the continuation solve process (default is like `100 exa`); the specified parameter constant value applicable outside of the special circumstances in which the `LOCA` does continuation on it, will need to be a sentinel (I'd suggest exact `0` or "anything negative"), as it shall be as non-interacting and as sparsified-away by the linear solver and all as possible (||it's not a problem because the discintinuity doesn't happen while a non-linear solver tries to solve the system of equations and could have called the behavioral function with node voltages/branch currents far from anythign physical, because that's just discintinuos in a parameter, and that parameter doesn't change during any transient time integration...||).
Overall the idea I'm proposing is to use gate-level digital sim (post-techmapping (and any retiming and other such intrusive changes to the logic) verilog-sim basically 😄 ) to fast-forward to an interesting moment, snapshot all stateful state, map that against pre-computed DC op points of the cell library, use the LVS matching provisions to match that state to post-PEX SPICE node identifiers, emit a spice file to-be-`.include`'d full of those continuation-capable cell's-internal-node-forcing B-sources (test if things are faster when forcing combinatorial nets as well, or if the additional effort expended negates the faster convergence; `.nodeset` is likely cheaper for those though it's just not reliable), and start the `.tran` sim.
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## message-1522335285814493307
**2026-07-02T20:16:55.76+00:00 — namibj**
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(I can help later next week on the matter if you want; I'm just not at all deep enough int the digital simulation and LVS tooling side to handle that side of this simulation-type-marriage.)
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## message-1522343410818748557
**2026-07-02T20:49:12.912+00:00 — namibj**
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Goal IMO would be to (1) test some particularly questionable timing paths that came up in static timing analysis, (2) check if interaction between digital and analog aspects behaves sufficiently well/nicely to not be concerned about mixed-signal features being DOA due to oversights in the analog/digital interface specs, and (3) sanity check that at least normal interaction with any of the non-SCL parts of the chip (_any_ of those) shows no signs of anythign shorting out or being close enough to shorting out to be nearly-equivalent.
(I'm still mildy traumatized by how you (not-)handled the excessive current draw/heating of the Run1 die's DAC's buffers.)
(The glitching of the video signal you've blamed on the lack of latching of the digital feed to the DACs is actually something I'd file under the above mentioned reason number 2, as it's one thing to accept the glitching if one is aware of it, but a whole nother thing to not have expected it/thought about it being possibly an issue.)
(I'm not sure but depending on what you spit out of the NTSC modulator, like in theory there is place for the audio carrier, parts of the functionality are contingent on non-terrible artifacts/interference behavior, as e.g. audio will eventually hurt or at least give headaches if it's bad enough with some artifacts at least.)
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**2026-07-02T23:30:00.303+00:00 — namibj**
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**2026-07-03T19:56:41.457+00:00 — namibj**
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**2026-07-03T19:56:53.32+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1522692718357250088
**2026-07-03T19:57:14.319+00:00 — namibj**
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I apologize for being _this_ late to realize
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## message-1522693123225030818
**2026-07-03T19:58:50.847+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1522693123225030818`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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(that the state of the tooling outside magic is beyond questionable, as it's arguably unacceptable.... it's HORRIBLE do target with klayout unles sone sticks to digital SCL only, and even there tholin knows all too well how not-tuned the tooling is to deal with this process..... _antenna violations!_)
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## message-1522708438222766210
**2026-07-03T20:59:42.227+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1522708438222766210`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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....I guess the teapeout deadline there has now since _really_ taken hold/cemented itself as final
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## message-1522711396570234880
**2026-07-03T21:11:27.552+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1522711396570234880`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I actually have a single unused pad on my die. How unusual.
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## message-1522949446458015804
**2026-07-04T12:57:23.068+00:00 — Thomas Pluck 2.1 (@tpluck_)**
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- Author ID: `1331673337616793672`
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Probably needs to a PR to nix-eda, we don't support this.
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## message-1522956311334223995
**2026-07-04T13:24:39.782+00:00 — Thomas Pluck 2.1 (@tpluck_)**
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Taking a closer look, you only seem to 3 major semver versions behind - so that might be a start
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## message-1522961671008555059
**2026-07-04T13:45:57.628+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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yay!
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## message-1522962566073290844
**2026-07-04T13:49:31.028+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1522962566073290844`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Not gonna do too many runs. I have to do manual edits to the GDSII file each time.
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## message-1523047249637277867
**2026-07-04T19:26:01.163+00:00 — carlfk**
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## message-1523047489840742512
**2026-07-04T19:26:58.432+00:00 — carlfk**
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it can be near the edge - short and only sacrifices a few working die
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## message-1523048290105557052
**2026-07-04T19:30:09.23+00:00 — carlfk**
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- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
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for imaging attempts.
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## message-1523048631366582363
**2026-07-04T19:31:30.593+00:00 — carlfk**
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- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
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```text
also: if someone can use some of their unused area for some large blobs so that we have an easy target to slice into
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## message-1523048893158523009
**2026-07-04T19:32:33.009+00:00 — carlfk**
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regardless of how we cut the die
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## message-1523049749886930985
**2026-07-04T19:35:57.269+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Reply`
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There are plenty of unusable die near the edges. still whole size, but creep into the exclusion zone
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## message-1523050430886707200
**2026-07-04T19:38:39.632+00:00 — carlfk**
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- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
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do you have a image of the cut pattern?
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## message-1523050475744657469
**2026-07-04T19:38:50.327+00:00 — carlfk**
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- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
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I've seen it. can't find it.
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## message-1523050540542459924
**2026-07-04T19:39:05.776+00:00 — carlfk**
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either run - or even a fictional run
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## message-1523050935822188729
**2026-07-04T19:40:40.018+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
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```text
next run
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## message-1523051050502852658
**2026-07-04T19:41:07.36+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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...maybe
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## message-1523051532311072919
**2026-07-04T19:43:02.232+00:00 — carlfk**
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fine for me to scribble conctpt art :p
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## message-1523061790903369738
**2026-07-04T20:23:48.071+00:00 — carlfk**
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## message-1523062224518643913
**2026-07-04T20:25:31.453+00:00 — carlfk**
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assuming we can get one bonus cut on only one wafer, then one or more of those can add some ... shapes? that the cut will slice
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## message-1523062925709807657
**2026-07-04T20:28:18.63+00:00 — carlfk**
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given the timeline, don't need to wait for cut confirmation - just shove the shapes into existing design and maybe something will happen
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## message-1523063658718957680
**2026-07-04T20:31:13.393+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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what are you hoping to get from this? you just would get a bunch more half height dies?
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## message-1523063854056341634
**2026-07-04T20:31:59.965+00:00 — carlfk**
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image it in Peter's SEM
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## message-1523063864458084353
**2026-07-04T20:32:02.445+00:00 — carlfk**
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er.
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## message-1523064210676908122
**2026-07-04T20:33:24.99+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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why not just let me give you some of the scrap ones?
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## message-1523064216188354650
**2026-07-04T20:33:26.304+00:00 — carlfk**
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this cut will destroy whatever. but I'm assming it will be a nice clean cut. not sure how else to get an edge view
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## message-1523064269548032060
**2026-07-04T20:33:39.026+00:00 — carlfk**
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how do we cut?
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## message-1523064455121076426
**2026-07-04T20:34:23.27+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Ah, I see. you're looking for a cross section of active silicon, not just in the kerf
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## message-1523064495071690943
**2026-07-04T20:34:32.795+00:00 — carlfk**
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right
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## message-1523064614676463757
**2026-07-04T20:35:01.311+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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there are a number of test features that GF puts in the middle of the reticles (the blank spaces) I can just give you that.
That's also active
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## message-1523064758826176586
**2026-07-04T20:35:35.679+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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and those are arbitrarily cut as they don't follow our patterns
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## message-1523064926820761863
**2026-07-04T20:36:15.732+00:00 — carlfk**
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but we don't know what should be there, so we can't verify design vs reality right?
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## message-1523065144203149453
**2026-07-04T20:37:07.56+00:00 — carlfk**
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Peter is skeptical we can measure - gonna go play today and see what happens
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## message-1523065374122311940
**2026-07-04T20:38:02.377+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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I doubt even the edge from a cut that you are suggesting is clean enough to do what you hope it will. At that scale it probably looks like garbage.
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**2026-07-04T20:38:37.23+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Looking forward to the results. Make sure Peter puts them somewhere on the internet so people can see them.
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## message-1523065577747386368
**2026-07-04T20:38:50.925+00:00 — carlfk**
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thats not a thing Peter does :p
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## message-1523065629350035547
**2026-07-04T20:39:03.228+00:00 — carlfk**
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Ill take a picture of the sceeen with my phone
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## message-1523072027152613430
**2026-07-04T21:04:28.583+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1523072027152613430
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yeah there's no way it'll be clean enough for imaging, will definitely need more grinding/lapping to get past the damaged kerf zone. So you'd still need to do some detective work to figure out what part of the circuit you're looking at
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## message-1523072872040501288
**2026-07-04T21:07:50.02+00:00 — carlfk**
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I should probably stop trying to solve a problem I don't have yet
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## message-1523073968766980176
**2026-07-04T21:12:11.5+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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**Content**
```text
here's a die I cross-sectioned and lapped up to like 2000 grit iirc (something around there). Not particularly careful or good lapping, and the results are notably rough because of it. Silicon bottom, embedding epoxy top. You can see where the silicon tore out and fractured, big furrows from improper lapping through the stages, etc.
Straight from a saw it'll be a nightmare mess of torn up chunks, no real chance of seeing anything interesting imo
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## message-1523074324292960317
**2026-07-04T21:13:36.264+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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**Content**
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(stealth dicing might do better since it's a clean'ish break instead of saw? dunno)
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## message-1523105730385809519
**2026-07-04T23:18:24.06+00:00 — carlfk**
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I have a flawed something - the only cut I have examined was bare wafer, no layers
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## message-1523105856307200213
**2026-07-04T23:18:54.082+00:00 — carlfk**
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- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
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under optical - the cut serface was mirror shiney perfect
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## message-1523199116786667651
**2026-07-05T05:29:29.113+00:00 — carlfk**
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**Content**
```text
```
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## message-1523199242120859730
**2026-07-05T05:29:58.995+00:00 — carlfk**
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so just now I figured out the layers don't go to the edge of the die
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## message-1523199626923085834
**2026-07-05T05:31:30.739+00:00 — carlfk**
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**Content**
```text
```
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## message-1523202051528458370
**2026-07-05T05:41:08.81+00:00 — carlfk**
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ima break a w.s die into pieces. any suggestions on how?
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## message-1523214406119591966
**2026-07-05T06:30:14.374+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1523214406119591966`
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pinch with channel lock until it breaks into 5+ pieces.
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## message-1523214428781416570
**2026-07-05T06:30:19.777+00:00 — carlfk**
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```text
```
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## message-1523214515334938714
**2026-07-05T06:30:40.413+00:00 — carlfk**
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that's a w.s die.
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## message-1523215386441547887
**2026-07-05T06:34:08.101+00:00 — carlfk**
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## message-1523232549399167106
**2026-07-05T07:42:20.069+00:00 — Ravi Nataraju (@ravinataraju)**
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- Author ID: `1064727109009932288`
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@Andrew Wingate is the purchase slots still available to submit clean GDS for 14 July 2026?
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## message-1523302562588000348
**2026-07-05T12:20:32.514+00:00 — namibj**
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Welp, lvs hard, lvs very not optional though 🙁
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## message-1523317764641783859
**2026-07-05T13:20:56.966+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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No, the purchase deadline was 30 June 2026 @ 11:59 PM AoE
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**2026-07-05T13:22:23.705+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1523318922672082966
**2026-07-05T13:25:33.062+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Basically, the "structures" are in the very top part of the silicon - like maybe the top <5% or something.
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**2026-07-05T13:26:15.67+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1523319588639740086
**2026-07-05T13:28:11.841+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1523319999714820216
**2026-07-05T13:29:49.849+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@carlfk - The Silicon Prawn Discord is probably a good source of advice / hints / etc
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## message-1523321421621891142
**2026-07-05T13:35:28.858+00:00 — namibj**
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If I can help somehow to enable functional extraction for bent-poly-on-comp, including preparing test structures necessary to verify and adjust calibration coefficients from e-test efforts, I'd like to try getting at least something functional into Run2.
@Tim Edwards I'd assume the current extraction routines don't put any notable care into dealing with bent-poly-on-comp if they even support that without errors at all?
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## message-1523375180074848467
**2026-07-05T17:09:05.872+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@namibj : Extraction of bent poly might differ slightly from the modeled dimensions, but I put "reasonable" methods into magic for dealing with bends in gates because I have several friends/colleagues who do space-qualified chips and need that extraction for annular FETs. It will calculated the centerline through bends, ignore connecting tabs out to the edge, and if necessary, match differing lengths of segments to obtain a correct effective width.
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## message-1523378375471792271
**2026-07-05T17:21:47.714+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1523378375471792271`
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Great; if there's anything in particular I could do so we may calibrate that extraction ahead of Run3, that'd be awesome.
IIUC, annular fets could maximize the gm/Cd at least at small enough diameters, compared to the classic multi-finger structures (almost) all the open PDK PCells produce for the generic CMOS transistors?
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## message-1523378990273007736
**2026-07-05T17:24:14.294+00:00 — namibj**
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But even then, the image I replied to should already beat the classic finger structure in drain/source junction capacitance, I'd think.
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## message-1523380083497373821
**2026-07-05T17:28:34.939+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@namibj : I am starting a project to make a radiation-tolerant standard cell library using annular FETs for space applications, hoping that (per recent comments on the spASICs page) there will be another opportunity to launch a properly radiation-tolerant microprocessor into space. For now, I am targeting GF180MCU because it's the cheapest option, but I am not going to be ready to have anything on Run 2. I expect to have something ready by Run 3.
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## message-1523380278712602634
**2026-07-05T17:29:21.482+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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(I am also working on automating insertion of triple-voting registers into LibreLane, and if time permits, I will work on ECC for the SRAM.)
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**2026-07-05T17:31:44.82+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah I wasn't expecting something that big, just some smaller structures that could be used with a combination of extractor and model-parameter tuning, think MOSBIUS-like stuff that could be configured in different ways to exercise the transistors in many ways to gather much more broad calibration data.
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## message-1523381164998660137
**2026-07-05T17:32:52.789+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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If you put down some test devices on Run 2 it would be very helpful.
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## message-1523384657025175725
**2026-07-05T17:46:45.353+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah that's kind of my plan I just don't know particularly how they should look, nor what @Tim 'mithro' Ansell has in mind for how they'd need to be interfaced to get e-tested.
I'll be busy catching back up with life for the next 2~4 days though, so feel free to think a bit more slowly about what'd seem like a decent idea there.
(I'd also love to get shorter-channel native nmos covered if practical, as per previous discussion there are no SPICE models for the 3v3 oxide ones, and the ones for 6v0 oxide stop at fairly long channels under arguments of "but they'd be leaky when off", which to my understanding should be more a question of how far the gate is pulled below threshold than whether their channel dares to go below 1.8μm length.)
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## message-1523387644237578280
**2026-07-05T17:58:37.56+00:00 — namibj**
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(I do still wish to understand why the high sheet poly reistors would reasonably need a minimum 1um width; given that they are solely defined by `Poly2` drawing in a `Resistor` zone for width and the spacing of `Pplus` zones for the contacts at the ends for length; also salicide block needs to overlap the length and current density is limited, but those basically all apply on sky130 as well other than that the minimum width is about half on that.)
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## message-1523391541937442977
**2026-07-05T18:14:06.844+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Could be entirely because the modelling below 1um width is not precise enough.
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## message-1523393343210520768
**2026-07-05T18:21:16.301+00:00 — namibj**
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You mean they would "need" their spice models to have an extra bin or two for narrower resistors?
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**2026-07-05T18:24:33.739+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I didn't check the spice models at all to see how they are made.
But the DRC rules from the gf180 are definitely not all "MR" as-in they are not all hard limits of what they can make. But with wafer.space it makes no difference, they must all be obeyed.
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## message-1523399512750821636
**2026-07-05T18:45:47.234+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah, tbf the only real issues I have there are indeed the hard limit on min width of high sheet poly resistors `HRES.2 = 1um` and min channel length of native nmos `NAT.4 = 1.8um` especially (that's for thin oxide) but somewhat also `NAT.5 = 1.8 um` (for thick oxide), as they just state "(For smaller `L` `Ioff` will be higher than Spec)".
Besides of course the implied impossibility of a die being designed to support both flip-chip and wire-bond packaging.
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## message-1523407073184841860
**2026-07-05T19:15:49.782+00:00 — carlfk**
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putting chip chips in the sem and looking at them is fairly easy and fun....
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## message-1523407548571582667
**2026-07-05T19:17:43.123+00:00 — carlfk**
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but if there is a goal, like measure pad thickness, I need to know what it is
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**2026-07-05T19:18:33.427+00:00 — carlfk**
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another thing I leaned: it looks like all of the layers stop before the edge. (makes sense)
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**2026-07-05T19:19:50.941+00:00 — carlfk**
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what would happen if one die had one edge of layers that would get cut into so I have a well defined thing to look at?
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**2026-07-05T19:29:18.158+00:00 — namibj**
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there's a risk for cracks to propagate with that; the bigger problem is likely to argue why that should pass DRC.
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**2026-07-05T19:31:00.613+00:00 — carlfk**
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ok, sounds reason enough. im curious: cracks in what? the layers I am guessing?
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## message-1523411232256954528
**2026-07-05T19:32:21.382+00:00 — namibj**
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cracks from the snapping-apart-the-silicon-wafer-along-mostly-the-dicing-cut-guiding-of-crack-propagation propagating inwards to the guard ring.
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## message-1523411580660879400
**2026-07-05T19:33:44.448+00:00 — carlfk**
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I don't understand
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## message-1523413258521018500
**2026-07-05T19:40:24.481+00:00 — namibj**
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vertical cracks (the crack's plane's normal being aligned with the dicing line) propagating inwards guided by the layer interface caused by the structures you want existing.
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## message-1523413387881480382
**2026-07-05T19:40:55.323+00:00 — namibj**
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(I don't think that risk is big; but the DRCs we're subjected to are really strict.)
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## message-1523413942666268753
**2026-07-05T19:43:07.594+00:00 — carlfk**
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the cutting edge "grabbing" the "soft" layers and putting unexpected force where it shouldn't be?
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## message-1523414599221776404
**2026-07-05T19:45:44.129+00:00 — namibj**
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more like, the crack in the silicon catching on it and spreading sideways along the structures.
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## message-1523414728917913692
**2026-07-05T19:46:15.051+00:00 — namibj**
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the silicon isn't sawed through; it's scratched and then snapped
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## message-1523414835067486580
**2026-07-05T19:46:40.359+00:00 — carlfk**
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ah. that. thanks.
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## message-1523415203088171028
**2026-07-05T19:48:08.102+00:00 — carlfk**
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@Andrew Wingate I wonder how our samples from Seyrecurse? were diced
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## message-1523415386903679090
**2026-07-05T19:48:51.927+00:00 — carlfk**
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this means my idea of an extra cut though some dies isn't going to help me get a clean edge to image?
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## message-1523415574670086275
**2026-07-05T19:49:36.694+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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```text
same way. I think you may just be thinking that because it looks shiny, it's flat.
To a certain extent it is, but under electron microscope it's like the Himalayas
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## message-1523416155618935015
**2026-07-05T19:51:55.203+00:00 — carlfk**
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the edge of the silicon looked flat. the layers were a mess, like cement and rebar in a demolished building
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## message-1523416158991024359
**2026-07-05T19:51:56.007+00:00 — namibj**
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that said, it shouldn't be too hard to grind/lap down from starting with sufficcient margin, and using suitable shapes visible from top for alignment.
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## message-1523416387467481270
**2026-07-05T19:52:50.48+00:00 — carlfk**
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it looks like more effort than I want to put into it just for the fun of it - this is why I want a well defined goal with some value
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## message-1523416462595854468
**2026-07-05T19:53:08.392+00:00 — namibj**
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(not _easy,_ but getting down to like 50nm roughness isn't _that_ unusual for mildly fancy optical lapping)
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## message-1523416570641256558
**2026-07-05T19:53:34.152+00:00 — carlfk**
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if you want to send samples, I'm happy to image them.
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## message-1523416747993206804
**2026-07-05T19:54:16.436+00:00 — carlfk**
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we should have an #image channel here that I can just dump the "this looke neet" and "here is 5 shots of the same thing"
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## message-1523416969141813318
**2026-07-05T19:55:09.162+00:00 — namibj**
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IMO what might be more interesting is looking at some finer cornering/zig-zag/patterned structures on the lower layers (m1/m2 but especially also poly2 and the STI edges at comp) by lapping the BEOL gradually down
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## message-1523417059646640341
**2026-07-05T19:55:30.74+00:00 — carlfk**
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I live stream of the monitor isn't out of the question. it has even been floated to let people remotely be on speaker phone directing the SEM operator (me)
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## message-1523437535454560326
**2026-07-05T21:16:52.553+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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this is a very cool project! Excited to see/read more when you get into it
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## message-1523467489055473695
**2026-07-05T23:15:54.048+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Looks like @Tim 'mithro' Ansell already gave you an answer.
Fear not!
We're hoping to accelerate our cadence and hope to have Run #3 with a GDS in date sometime in Dec 2026
So you can plan for that in the very near future!
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## message-1523496492365512827
**2026-07-06T01:11:08.976+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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I believe @peterkinget's team might have tried it. However, wafer.space provides no type of support for this and your design must be clean by the wafer.space platform check, not whatever cadence claims.
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## message-1523497894026412144
**2026-07-06T01:16:43.158+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Andrew Wingate / @Lauri - I wonder if @carlfk could take some images of bad bonds to give us more information about what is going on when they fail?
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## message-1523498475298488421
**2026-07-06T01:19:01.744+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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https://bit.ly/test-open-pdk has the spec for pads which where used on SKY130 by @Mehdi and NIST for the data in https://github.com/google/skywater-pdk-sky130-raw-data and would probably be good to follow.
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## message-1523498632157073539
**2026-07-06T01:19:39.142+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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I don't think I have any dies that have been tested, but I'd be happy to facilitate.
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## message-1523498909111025705
**2026-07-06T01:20:45.173+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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One of the things we wanted to look at/confirm was the top metal thickness -- I believe we are unsure if we ended up with the 11 thousand or 9 thousand angstrom thickness for that layer.
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## message-1523499227664224377
**2026-07-06T01:22:01.122+00:00 — namibj**
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Notably I'm thinking of using structures with more than 3 pads (+substrate) involved, or at least more than 1 transistor involved, as AFAIK we do have access to model fitting tools through Sandia's Ron.
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## message-1523499485182038187
**2026-07-06T01:23:02.519+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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For the cross sections we did of the cypress parts with @digshadow, I think the "lapping" was done by hand with a very fine sandpaper and that turned out pretty great. https://x.com/johndmcmaster/status/1715863105782378529?s=20
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## message-1523499705303302175
**2026-07-06T01:23:55+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Maybe coordinate with Lauri? I guess we would need to figure out how to ship the die which have not been expoxied or something?
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**2026-07-06T01:24:34.004+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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ooh.. no epoxy? Think that's necessary?
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## message-1523500607376330793
**2026-07-06T01:27:30.071+00:00 — namibj**
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It'd be important to know if we could drop to the finer pitch of layers regardless of the secondary implants for some test devices at least; think 0.28 L thick oxide structures and just-sub-1.8L nvt NMOS. And narrower-than-1.0 high sheet poly.
I'm well aware none of those currently have SPICE models; but it's infeasible to get those SPICE model bin parameters without rather proprietary information and 3D TCAD, or by doing test structures and running model fitting on those.
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**2026-07-06T01:30:40.873+00:00 — namibj**
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If that's something we'd have to prepare and submit with a replacement on hand that didn't exceed the open PDK in any way, that'd of course be fine.
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**2026-07-06T01:55:31.558+00:00 — digshadow**
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The epoxy isn't strictly necessary but you're going to have a much better time with it. I would recommend it if you can
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## message-1523648304888545343
**2026-07-06T11:14:23.902+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh I had cursed ideas for octagonal symmetry of a device with one drain, one source, 17 gate contacts (or 25 for symmetry, likely), and arguably 25 distinct channels in the BSIM extraction.
A big part of it's usability would be contingent on the fab managing to manufacture "decent" matching across the (rotational) symmetry, which probably starts off mildly restrictive from the 5nm coordinate grid interacting poorly with that pesky sqrt(2) aspect, considering "mere" 300nm channel lengths.
Also I'm actually not _too_ sure it's appropriate to run that with the 25th channel doing anything beyond power gating, sadly.
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**2026-07-06T11:17:29.854+00:00 — namibj**
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(I'm fairly confident though that structure would result in substantially lower parasitic drain side capacitance and lower excess field poly capacitance of the gate contact pads.)
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## message-1523664934263717898
**2026-07-06T12:20:28.654+00:00 — namibj**
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Ahhh ok I'll go through the links in there later; do you have any guidance on whether to expect getting finer structures (than what are almost certainly electrically motivated DRC clauses) allowed for extending the SPICE models down towards manufacturing minimums;
in particular (unless someone tells me the FETs would be useless from short channel effects at that point):
1. thick oxide gates shaped like their thin oxide brethens (I'd assume they'd have substantial DIBL together short-channel-typical reduction in general threshold voltage),
2. native threshold voltage NMOS with lengths between normal threshold voltage minimums (0.28~0.6~0.7) and the current `NAT.4`/`NAT.5` minimum 1.8,
3. Un-salicided poly resistors narrower than the (I can only presume matching/process-control related) existing coded minimum widths: `PRES.1` (0.8), `LRES.1` (0.8), `HRES.2` (1.0),
4. `Y.PL.2` mentions 0.13 drawn channel length on thin oxide; I assume the short channel effects (possibly HCI) are generally considered too severe for other usage, but it's vendor lock to _Yield Microelectronics Corporation_ is similarly restrictive to open source EEPROM on gf18mcuD as the proprietary-core-only tiny transistors on sky130 are to _dense_ open source SRAM.
Like I wish I understood better what's keeping us from being allowed marking layers to not have to bother their engineers about structures that land between electrically recommended sizing and what the lithography can manufacture without risking damage to equipment or the rest of the wafer.
Could it be that some of this is from "Google-sponsored-runs" open PDK philosophy where the DRC co-writer (Google) had incentive to keep designers from submitting chips that don't work?
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## message-1523667714395209798
**2026-07-06T12:31:31.489+00:00 — namibj**
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Could you perhaps help us quantify how "necessary" the full guard ring structure turns out to be?
I'd think we'd be able to fit some questionable guard structures along some edge that goes to the overflow zone of the reticle (the reticle seems to not be evenly divided by the slot grid along the AFAIK vertical direction of the slot size), in particular the currently forced exposure of the guard ring top metal which is very close to the wire bond pad ring's exposed top metal and not doing that would seem to allow for some cheap flip-chip options that rely on a reasonable minimum spacing between exposed top metal to not require high-end lithography to contact only one pad each.
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## message-1523734026966405282
**2026-07-06T16:55:01.638+00:00 — carlfk**
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help how? I have access to a friend's SEM, don't know much about ic design
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**2026-07-06T17:02:59.925+00:00 — namibj**
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By helping us figure out what the structures would need to do/how they could be design-for-testing, so we could get that data on how critical these aspects of the guard ring are to the resulting chip yield, without the immense expense of brute force testing.
I can't write much rn though.
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## message-1523736772591489278
**2026-07-06T17:05:56.246+00:00 — carlfk**
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about all I have to offer: prep is tricky, it would help if the slice was at or near the edge
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## message-1523737062958825582
**2026-07-06T17:07:05.475+00:00 — carlfk**
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and now is the time to add some stuff specifically for looking at when it comes back from the fab in 3 months
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**2026-07-06T17:19:17.36+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah, basically it's apparently something about cracks and potential of contaminants diffusing through a gap in a metal layer due to the dielectric filler being more vulnerable there than it would be between the vias?
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## message-1523740417647181938
**2026-07-06T17:20:25.295+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1523740417647181938
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I'm pretty sure it'd be quite straight forward to get much of that manual stuff automated.
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## message-1523742379000070365
**2026-07-06T17:28:12.918+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1523742379000070365`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
- Nickname: carlfk
- User name: carlfk
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1523742379000070365
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one thing about the SEM - it takes a min or two to attach the sample to the stage (special carbon something double sided tape) another min to load the sage into the chamber. 2 min (maybe more) to pull a vacuum. so easy 5 min before anything shows up.
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## message-1523742449833480375
**2026-07-06T17:28:29.806+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1523742449833480375`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
- Nickname: carlfk
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- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1523742449833480375
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I would be surprised if a sample can be removed and lapped a little more
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## message-1523742687025565696
**2026-07-06T17:29:26.357+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1523742687025565696`
- Author ID: `443147704126668801`
- Nickname: carlfk
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- Type: `Default`
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so any iteration of remove material and looking at the slice to see if it is good isn't going to happen in the SEM
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## message-1523744691231920410
**2026-07-06T17:37:24.197+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1523744691231920410`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1523744691231920410
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Yeah I know.
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## message-1523802501504172083
**2026-07-06T21:27:07.24+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1523802501504172083`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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@Mod more spam
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## message-1523803807190876351
**2026-07-06T21:32:18.54+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1523803807190876351`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1523803807190876351
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fwiw I added a channel to my discord that auto-bans anyone who posts in it (using a bot). not perfect but it seems to catch a lot of those driveby bot spams
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## message-1523808492912120079
**2026-07-06T21:50:55.703+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1523808492912120079`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Reply`
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Is it open? Want to share a link?
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## message-1523868842802024571
**2026-07-07T01:50:44.238+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1523868842802024571`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1523868842802024571
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There are a few groups from TensTorrent lurking on this Discord, maybe you can convince them to collaborate on something. I know they use ventilator internally on some stuff.
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## message-1523874430890147920
**2026-07-07T02:12:56.542+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1523874430890147920`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-07-07T02:13:04.461+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1523874430890147920
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(oh man, I was inches from purchasing a tenstorrent card the other day. looks like a really fun architecture to program)
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## message-1523950640366096474
**2026-07-07T07:15:46.297+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1523950640366096474`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@BreakingTaps / @Rob Taylor - The fix for Google Drive, Dropbox and Fastmail download has been deployed to https://platform.wafer.space now.
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## message-1523950905869729884
**2026-07-07T07:16:49.598+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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The https://platform.wafer.space also now has the ability to select the CoB packaging and the CrowdSupply order number on your project. Will put an announcement in #announcements with some other updates shortly.
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## message-1524038063993524244
**2026-07-07T13:03:09.714+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1524038063993524244`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1524038063993524244
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moderator : Spam ... ( @Tim 'mithro' Ansell @Leo Moser (mole99) )
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## message-1524040114223972396
**2026-07-07T13:11:18.527+00:00 — urish**
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## message-1524066455266791697
**2026-07-07T14:55:58.721+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1524088807010599062
**2026-07-07T16:24:47.792+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Howdy folks, I did a brief video of a wafer.space Tiny Tapeout chip (experimental "ttgf0p2") that I was lucky enough to participate in, and even luckier to try out. This is just a teaser, and I hope to share more soon: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/anton-maurovic_asic-openasics-activity-7480291900114030592-cFQw?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAACUSJDsBhWb3XdMIrld_0q8cMtLDXdKRF8s
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## message-1524088916012171305
**2026-07-07T16:25:13.78+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Thanks @Tim 'mithro' Ansell for the chip! It's a beauty. And well done to the Tiny Tapeout team, of course.
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## message-1524749447966494913
**2026-07-09T12:09:56.87+00:00 — Manuel Monge (@manuelmonge85)**
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Hi. I’m starting to work with GF PDK and was wondering about the 6V transistors and 10V LDMOS. Are they available in the shuttles?
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## message-1524759370661892227
**2026-07-09T12:49:22.625+00:00 — namibj**
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the latter aren't easy to use; the former are just longer channel vversions of the 5V types, with no real further differences besides that increased minimum channel length (and maybe a few other DRC minimums)
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## message-1524780916386431068
**2026-07-09T14:14:59.526+00:00 — Manuel Monge (@manuelmonge85)**
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I’ve worked with LDMOS before, that’s why I’m interested in those. How can I enable them in the PDK, especially in KLayout?
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## message-1524839535492595843
**2026-07-09T18:07:55.41+00:00 — namibj**
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...yeah, on another matter, as you aren't the only one trying to use them, does anyone have PCells on hand for the gf180mcuD LDMOS (the 10V devices)?
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## message-1525127695732572300
**2026-07-10T13:12:58.165+00:00 — Manuel Monge (@manuelmonge85)**
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I see, there are not PCells available yet. That is good information, thanks!😊
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## message-1525204426531274894
**2026-07-10T18:17:52.213+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Alright, ya’ll can have some mux4 as a treat!
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## message-1525218847635017868
**2026-07-10T19:15:10.472+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Now the question is how long will that take to filter through to the project template and should I rebuild TinyQV using it? TQVD is squeezed to the limit of what I can fit into it at the moment so it could help a bit.
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## message-1525223936508301323
**2026-07-10T19:35:23.754+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1525223936508301323`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Edited: 2026-07-10T19:35:41.896+00:00
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It is taking approximately three eternities to characterize, because its a 6-input function
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## message-1525224049087610992
**2026-07-10T19:35:50.595+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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(one eternity for each process corner)
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## message-1525316634166956222
**2026-07-11T01:43:44.598+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I had to disable mux4_2 from synthesis, because its causing issues in timing repair
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## message-1525317415674843158
**2026-07-11T01:46:50.924+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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## message-1525429236733710407
**2026-07-11T09:11:11.142+00:00 — Deepak (@deempak)**
- Message ID: `1525429236733710407`
- Author ID: `797470890765582377`
- Nickname: Deepak
- User name: deempak
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-07-11T09:12:03.119+00:00
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I am facing this issue where the flow just gets stuck here
after the klayour-drc after the deck has finished ( the magic one ended without error) does anyone have any ides about this .
Its been stuck there for a 1 hour now so that not supposed to happend . also checked on cpu there is no klayout running . I am on latest template .
also i want to know is it possible to restart the flow from this point if i kill it or have to run again
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## message-1525435351642931251
**2026-07-11T09:35:29.05+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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DRC can take 3-4 hours depending on machine. If you don't have enough RAM and start swapping that could get longer.
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## message-1525496546836090884
**2026-07-11T13:38:39.121+00:00 — namibj**
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Question: would use of 45 degree bends of poly2 on comp have helped you on any of the cells so far?
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## message-1525498479462318194
**2026-07-11T13:46:19.895+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I don’t think so
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## message-1525498519597613176
**2026-07-11T13:46:29.464+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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I'll see to get the octagonal and the related quadratic structure drawn up now;
so that I can do the write-up for them on my travel (to a meetup, in a little bit, basically as soon as I'm done with that).
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## message-1525498791955009716
**2026-07-11T13:47:34.399+00:00 — namibj**
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@Tholin note this tactic does work for gf18mcuD.
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## message-1525505390035468502
**2026-07-11T14:13:47.504+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The main bottleneck is actually how many metal1 traces I can have running in parallel
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## message-1525554170323669053
**2026-07-11T17:27:37.631+00:00 — namibj**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1525617476463890615
**2026-07-11T21:39:10.991+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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```text
Does LibreLane throw any kind of error if it detects a VDD/VSS short anywhere?
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## message-1525620601991991326
**2026-07-11T21:51:36.175+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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If it detects it ... sure. But by default the LVS is abstract so depending on where the short comes from it could be missed.
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## message-1525625928804208850
**2026-07-11T22:12:46.186+00:00 — namibj**
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Are you worried about a chip being DOA?
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## message-1525626895851323575
**2026-07-11T22:16:36.748+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Sortof?
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## message-1525626920975335516
**2026-07-11T22:16:42.738+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I have the FeatherLane generated layouts on there
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## message-1525628528895197384
**2026-07-11T22:23:06.096+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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After determining that this issue is caused by quirks of this specific design, I’m re-enabling mux4_2 for synthesis
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## message-1525630027151052800
**2026-07-11T22:29:03.308+00:00 — namibj**
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I can see to get extraction running through the recently (weeks) improved magic PEX and get Xyce to solve at least DC op point for it, if you want?
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## message-1525631447644504074
**2026-07-11T22:34:41.98+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yes
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## message-1525631566704017449
**2026-07-11T22:35:10.366+00:00 — namibj**
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```text
(I take a `.gds`, of which I expect to have to delete all labels but the pad labels myself, followed by fully flattening it. If you have any conventions on pad labeling, I'd prefer those to be applied already and this includes separating the VDD and the VSS pads individually.)
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## message-1525631567987216425
**2026-07-11T22:35:10.672+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/ws-submission-2026/tree/main/FeatherLaneStuff
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## message-1525631645082980413
**2026-07-11T22:35:29.053+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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There’s two in there. Use the GDSII files. fl_mcpu32 is way smaller, test with that
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## message-1525631706613420032
**2026-07-11T22:35:43.723+00:00 — namibj**
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I'm ETA about 40 minutes from my desk.
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## message-1525632919379382485
**2026-07-11T22:40:32.869+00:00 — namibj**
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I hope `magic 8.3.674` is pretty recent?
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## message-1525633400415715429
**2026-07-11T22:42:27.557+00:00 — namibj**
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How is that to be biased/connected?
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## message-1525633586139627732
**2026-07-11T22:43:11.837+00:00 — namibj**
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Answer only needed if not obvious from looking.
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## message-1525633712631578757
**2026-07-11T22:43:41.995+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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You can look at the .v files to see what is an input and an output
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## message-1525633744764014693
**2026-07-11T22:43:49.656+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Edited: 2026-07-11T22:43:56.003+00:00
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If you wanna just do DC, tie all inputs low
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## message-1525633982987763752
**2026-07-11T22:44:46.453+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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If you want to check if the outputs are outputting, you may do that.
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## message-1525634558551134369
**2026-07-11T22:47:03.678+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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There's a series of commands in magic that will flatten the layout but ignore the text. I don't think you need to prepare a flattened version outside of magic.
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## message-1525634786977386526
**2026-07-11T22:47:58.139+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh, good; I'd need hand-holding magic just confuses me 🙁
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## message-1525636141057835009
**2026-07-11T22:53:20.977+00:00 — namibj**
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(I'll proceed to use the same tactic as last time, provided this is with a padframe.)
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## message-1525642379883843735
**2026-07-11T23:18:08.429+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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This magic manual page describes the 2 magic pex extraction flows. Search for `PEX` http://www.opencircuitdesign.com/magic//howto.html
One with just capacitances and one with resistors and capacitances.
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## message-1525643181809733653
**2026-07-11T23:21:19.623+00:00 — namibj**
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Ahh I'll just take only the m4 labels
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## message-1525645558075883633
**2026-07-11T23:30:46.169+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1525645687201595585
**2026-07-11T23:31:16.955+00:00 — namibj**
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I got a script around that wrangles it through.
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## message-1525647121825534054
**2026-07-11T23:36:58.996+00:00 — namibj**
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.subckt fl_mcpu32 VSS VDD le clk rst_n rst_override_n din[0] clk_n din[11] din[10]
+ din[9] din[8] din[7] din[6] din[5] din[4] din[3] din[2] din[1] din[12] din[13] din[15]
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+ address[10] address[5] dout[1] dout[2] dout[3] dout[4] dout[5] dout[6] dout[7] dout[15]
+ dout[14] dout[13] dout[12] dout[11] dout[10] dout[9] dout[8] dout[0] oeb bus_enable
+ web unused[0] unused[1] unused[2] unused[3] unused[4] unused[5] unused[6]
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## message-1525647187629965312
**2026-07-11T23:37:14.685+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1525651770326384781
**2026-07-11T23:55:27.285+00:00 — namibj**
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> ```
> Netlist error in file tb_fl_mcpu32.xyce at or near line 15
> Model is required for device D0 and no valid model card found.
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> great!
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## message-1525652723503206483
**2026-07-11T23:59:14.54+00:00 — namibj**
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looks like diode models need explicit importing as library....
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## message-1525653151812685854
**2026-07-12T00:00:56.657+00:00 — namibj**
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> ***** Device Count Summary ...
> C level 1 (Capacitor) 280984
> D level 1,2 (Diode) 9694
> M level 14 (BSIM4) 44848
> R level 1 (Resistor) 267528
> V level 1 (Independent Voltage Source) 22
> ---------------------------------------------
> Total Devices 603076
> ***** Setting up matrix structure...
> ***** Number of Unknowns = 292543
> ***** Initializing...
>
>
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> ---------------------------
> Singletons Detected!
> Num Singletons: 44
> ---------------------------
>
>
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> ZOLTAN Load balancing method = 10 (HYPERGRAPH)
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## message-1525653359392985221
**2026-07-12T00:01:46.148+00:00 — namibj**
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(that's the small one; the large one is still extracting)
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## message-1525655025043374200
**2026-07-12T00:08:23.27+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh, so that’s what that happens! I usually just remove the diodes from the netlist.
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## message-1525660325825876120
**2026-07-12T00:29:27.075+00:00 — namibj**
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(Yeah it's LLM-prepared; minor manual edits have been done to it; nothing about this testbench seemed too complex to be likely to break and it's hot here... really hot, for 2:30 am.)
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## message-1525660746829004981
**2026-07-12T00:31:07.45+00:00 — namibj**
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mayhaps continuation=2 (natural MOS parameter homotopy) was not the efficcient thing to do, for as it's still stuck on the same screen/output as shown above.)
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## message-1525661650378686637
**2026-07-12T00:34:42.873+00:00 — namibj**
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let's try without continuation and to directly solve for the 3.3V case.
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## message-1525662633783722006
**2026-07-12T00:38:37.335+00:00 — namibj**
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(affording the 2.5 + 1.7 GB of ram usage for the continuation attempt, I've paused that and am trying now without continuation.)
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## message-1525663097615028365
**2026-07-12T00:40:27.921+00:00 — namibj**
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(maybe full-die PEX usage is actually only for cluster usage... hmmmpf)
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**2026-07-12T00:57:23.311+00:00 — namibj**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1525751420547104808
**2026-07-12T06:31:25.749+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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There is no need to to PEX ...
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## message-1525751793181786162
**2026-07-12T06:32:54.592+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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You can instruct librelane to use GDS for LVS instead of DEF and then the LVS will actually check submodules instead of abstracting then. And you can double check that in the report.
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## message-1525819091347181619
**2026-07-12T11:00:19.725+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1525837815680864610
**2026-07-12T12:14:43.954+00:00 — namibj**
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https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1523053835864637510/1524075766219014326
@RebelMike is the free edge possibly free of top metal, and as such possibly suited for putting flip chip bond pads there?
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## message-1525849240633610310
**2026-07-12T13:00:07.875+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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metal5 is used for power rails, so there's probably not loads of space. But if you want to try and prove some flip chip bonding method maybe it would be better to make a test project where you didn't need most of the pads to work in order to get anything useful out? If Tim thinks that is an interesting project it might get accepted by the sounds of things
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## message-1525850557070311564
**2026-07-12T13:05:21.738+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah so, the thing is, most of the chip would be barren if only housing connectivity (4-wire kelvin measurements) test pads.
And in this time I can't get much interesting structure done below, sadly, especially given that I'm not allowed to test vaguely-short channel native nfet's because someone decided years ago what amount of subthreshold leakage would be permissible to design with, and banned all channels narrower than that.
Though I guess I should check again if the 0.5um channels would pass DRC.
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## message-1525852013907148973
**2026-07-12T13:11:09.075+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh I see now.
Would that chip need more than one VDD/VSS pair per SRAM tile?
Even if, feeding the m4 straps both at the bottom and the top of each tile (or like, connecting the m4 through and putting a shared m5 connection at the border between SRAM tiles, freeing up m5 over the active memory region), that would give plenty of freedom for some varied pad designs.
Also would conveniently test "circuit under [flip-chip] pad".
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## message-1525857557464481803
**2026-07-12T13:33:10.762+00:00 — TheZoq2 (@thezoq2)**
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How fast are the available IO pins? The possibility of free silicon is almost irresistable but I think the best path I'd have to doing something relatively cool would be to use my ethernet library. Unfortunately I only have RGMII support, so i'd need 125MHz IO 🤔
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## message-1525859181104468020
**2026-07-12T13:39:37.868+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Feeding power to those SRAMs is a bit tricky as they ideally need connections around their edges. I'm in the final stages of finishing this design so don't really want to be messing with things, but I'm not paying for it so if Tim/Leo would like to dedicate some area to a flip chip pin test I could potentially just remove some of the SRAMs if you had a macro that would drop in their place. I'm pretty sure the PDN grid will just drop some straps if you block met5, which maybe isn't ideal for power distribution integrity, but probably also not a disaster.
And if you had a ready to go macro i would also be easy for someone to drop into a different design.
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## message-1525859442417995969
**2026-07-12T13:40:40.17+00:00 — namibj**
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I mean in principle the edges would be free? The wiring would ideally be escaped somehow to an e.g. ESD diode or something.
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## message-1525859541764411392
**2026-07-12T13:41:03.856+00:00 — namibj**
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That should work.
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## message-1525860003414544526
**2026-07-12T13:42:53.922+00:00 — namibj**
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Re: ready-to-go macro: basically I'm hoping to test a few mostly pairs of pads of sufficciently varied size and pitch, primarily targeting the "ACF + JLC's special 2L 0.33oz (each) flex" affordable baseline.
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## message-1525860013393055946
**2026-07-12T13:42:56.301+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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I think the best answer we have is: probably. A 200MHz input clock worked ok. The outputs are strong so likely to work at that speed, but as far as I know I don't think anyone has tried anything non-trivial running at a fast clock in run 1.
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## message-1525860174584221817
**2026-07-12T13:43:34.732+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah not sure how fast the 3v3 library is in practice, but the foundry 5V library even the 9T one is apparently fairly slow.
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**2026-07-12T13:43:56.266+00:00 — TheZoq2 (@thezoq2)**
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Cool, I might give this project a shot then 🤔
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## message-1525860405799419964
**2026-07-12T13:44:29.858+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Indeed - the challenge will likely be more in driving the logic that fast, not the speed of the IO pads
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## message-1525861006130024458
**2026-07-12T13:46:52.988+00:00 — namibj**
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IMO prepare to immediately put a DDR serdes by the IO pads without much routing, drop down to at least 4 if not 8 wide per-IO-lane; then your core should likely have no severe issues synthesizing to timing.
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## message-1525862060939022386
**2026-07-12T13:51:04.474+00:00 — namibj**
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@RebelMike For the record, a major practical use case I'm hoping to prove viable with this is putting more than one flip chip pad on a standard-size TT analog tile, i.e., on that 340x325um area, and in a way that can be extended sideways to cover up to maximum-size analog tile.
So we're not talking about large areas here, for the most part at least.
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## message-1525862141419323565
**2026-07-12T13:51:23.662+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I think this is my most scuffed tapeout so far, seeing as I have to make manual edits in KLayout to the top-level GDSII to fix DRC errors.
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## message-1525957810544709693
**2026-07-12T20:11:32.959+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1525957810544709693`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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I had to do a emergency hotfix in my SCL to un-do an earlier change that introduced a bug that broke synthesis! If anyone is using my SCL and using the latest build from my GitHub, update, and re-run all your flows!
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## message-1525982875571327017
**2026-07-12T21:51:08.927+00:00 — Jorropo (@jorropo)**
- Message ID: `1525982875571327017`
- Author ID: `183309006767521792`
- Nickname: Jorropo
- User name: jorropo
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2026-07-12T21:51:13.713+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1525982875571327017
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noob question: *what's an SCL* ?
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## message-1525990113585135647
**2026-07-12T22:19:54.604+00:00 — Christopher (@fossify_37988)**
- Message ID: `1525990113585135647`
- Author ID: `1170784850874220707`
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standard cell library
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## message-1526145053427236894
**2026-07-13T08:35:35.141+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
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- Author ID: `1161210755169919007`
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yay!!!
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## message-1526145169131569162
**2026-07-13T08:36:02.727+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
- Message ID: `1526145169131569162`
- Author ID: `1161210755169919007`
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my 16-bit risc cpu is manufacturable!!!
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## message-1526146520263430144
**2026-07-13T08:41:24.862+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
- Message ID: `1526146520263430144`
- Author ID: `1161210755169919007`
- Nickname: судонет
- User name: sudonet
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-07-13T08:46:29.118+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1526146520263430144
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all in a few days' work, i guess*
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## message-1526312339920654518
**2026-07-13T19:40:19.349+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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There we go!
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## message-1526312451270901770
**2026-07-13T19:40:45.897+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1526312451270901770`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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I think this one’s even more crammed with stuff than my last
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## message-1526375800037966095
**2026-07-13T23:52:29.42+00:00 — anish (@anish256)**
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- Author ID: `347518645695414282`
- Nickname: anish
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silly question but are the possibly-spare half slots in the 0.5x1 or 1x0.5 shape?
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## message-1526375811924623561
**2026-07-13T23:52:32.254+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1526375811924623561`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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@everyoneI’m sorry for the big ping, but if you have used my 3.3v SCL gf180mcu_as_sc_7t3v3 for your tapeout, YOUR CHIPS ARE GUARANTEED BROKEN RIGHT NOW! I’ve fixed the problem, so you will HAVE to re-run your flows with the hotfix applied.
Clone the SCL’s GitHub repo or download as .zip from here:
https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3/
You will have to take the `libs.ref` and `libs.tech` directories from inside `pdk` and copy them. Go to your project template and paste them to `gf180mcu/gf180mcuD/`, merging with the existing two directories of the same names. Overwrite existing files. Re-run your flows.
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## message-1526375835559530687
**2026-07-13T23:52:37.889+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1526375835559530687`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Fuck, it didn’t ping
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## message-1526375847282475089
**2026-07-13T23:52:40.684+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1526375847282475089`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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Lets hope people see it
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## message-1526385152970985492
**2026-07-14T00:29:39.333+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1526385152970985492`
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I forgot to push a commit, so that’s there now. You’ll have to repeat the steps if you have done so already.
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## message-1526394053191532544
**2026-07-14T01:05:01.311+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1526394053191532544`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
- Type: `Reply`
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when you've updated this to incorporate the fixed buf_8, and if you happen to have "sufficcient" stimuli on hand (I'm vaguely assuming the config/instance select pins work by the same principle/UX as last time?), I'd like to test it for at least like 5-or-so clock cycles with the full-die PEX, though with the solver set to low fidelity; if it were to happen to have labels on enough nets to make it impossible to hold a wrong/unwanted state in the registers of the sequential logic, and there's a state snapshot telling whether those nets are VSS or VDD, it may even be affordable-enough to simulate a decent fraction of a scanline of the test pattern modulator output machinery; or the like.
Basically just trying to confirm the chip as a whole simulates "respectable/acceptable" behavior and if easy enough to provoke, whether a particularly worrying timing arc works for a process "corner" of arbitrary choice and relevance with basically-all RC parasitics included.
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## message-1526403574152822874
**2026-07-14T01:42:51.285+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1526403574152822874`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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@everyone - Please note this message from @Tholin if you are using their standard cell library.
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## message-1526404209594077385
**2026-07-14T01:45:22.786+00:00 — Buzz (@davidbuzz)**
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Is that relevant to ppl who used the recommended wafer.space template?
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## message-1526407205832622090
**2026-07-14T01:57:17.145+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1526407205832622090`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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Not unless you used/enabled the 3v3 standard cells from @Tholin.
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## message-1526418857739292725
**2026-07-14T02:43:35.176+00:00 — namibj**
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As part of the couple extraction-calibration structures I hope to include on Run2, I hope to accomplish estimating a more detailed distribution of contact/via resistance than this; if anyone happens to have some ideas for how to realistically measure that/how to embed a DUT-contact in a fashion that sufficciently allows de-embedding during post-processing of e-test measurements, please share.
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## message-1526431939299377303
**2026-07-14T03:35:34.063+00:00 — azonenberg**
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@Tholin out of curiosity what was the actual bug?
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## message-1526435399885525083
**2026-07-14T03:49:19.131+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Ratiometric
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## message-1526435464532197426
**2026-07-14T03:49:34.544+00:00 — azonenberg**
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create two identical pairs of structures broken out to analog pins with as identical paths as possible
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**2026-07-14T03:49:47.495+00:00 — azonenberg**
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one a via chain of length N, another of N+K
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## message-1526435595700932689
**2026-07-14T03:50:05.817+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the delta gives you the resistance of K vias, modulo process variation between the two
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## message-1526436851953438822
**2026-07-14T03:55:05.331+00:00 — namibj**
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I'm more worried about local mismatch effects in places that can't afford to spam a nice array.
These resistances are easily manageable via 4-wire measurements with one tt_asw instance each to connect the analog pad to the specific DUT.
I guess more worried about the contacts than the vias...
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## message-1526436964801187890
**2026-07-14T03:55:32.236+00:00 — namibj**
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Cc @Essen
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## message-1526437444029780099
**2026-07-14T03:57:26.493+00:00 — namibj**
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Dropped 2.7V over that diode-connected NMOS finger highlighted bottom left.
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## message-1526437698674626621
**2026-07-14T03:58:27.205+00:00 — namibj**
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_in each `buf_8`/`clkbuf_8` instance, around 300μA each_
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## message-1526437953654489210
**2026-07-14T03:59:27.997+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Trying to understand whats going on here, so that bottom right contact is ground and the one at center is the output?
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**2026-07-14T04:00:12.769+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it just looks like a nromal multifinger buffer to me so i'm clearly missing something about the well structure
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**2026-07-14T04:00:45.923+00:00 — namibj**
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Good thing I weakly but nonetheless insisted on doing at least a full-GDS DC op point run with Xyce after what the last Avalon Semiconductor pulled....
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**2026-07-14T04:01:04.627+00:00 — namibj**
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The left finger shouldn't exist
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**2026-07-14T04:01:18.76+00:00 — namibj**
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Were these cells not validated with extractions individually already?
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## message-1526438970307645450
**2026-07-14T04:03:30.386+00:00 — namibj**
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It looks harmless enough to the casual non-bitter observer to have lasted until not even 6 hours ago.
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## message-1526439049467007066
**2026-07-14T04:03:49.259+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i mean i'm used to reversing chips that *work* :p
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## message-1526439088998322229
**2026-07-14T04:03:58.684+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i want to understand how
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## message-1526439129238470686
**2026-07-14T04:04:08.278+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but i usually just classify a cell as a buffer and move on lol
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## message-1526439517538619462
**2026-07-14T04:05:40.856+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1526439517538619462`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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Unfortunately the extractor doesn't actually extract static power and this consumption isn't on it's own "too much" current for the cell, so didnt't get caught in the dynamic power measurements, and I'm guessing something something LVS didn't happen with the rigor that would have prevented this.
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## message-1526440396757008585
**2026-07-14T04:09:10.478+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1526440859514437652
**2026-07-14T04:11:00.808+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1526440859514437652`
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Ahhh here without the annoying layers messing up the contrasts:
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## message-1526441152482512906
**2026-07-14T04:12:10.657+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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P vs. N doesn't matter as you can see this is symmetric in that direction.
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## message-1526441346041122937
**2026-07-14T04:12:56.805+00:00 — namibj**
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There are no diffusion/comp breaks here
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## message-1526441503466061934
**2026-07-14T04:13:34.338+00:00 — namibj**
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(well, there's one long P-channel diffusion and one long N-channel diffusion)
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## message-1526441699696578670
**2026-07-14T04:14:21.123+00:00 — namibj**
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You don't have to look to the right of the 5th gate finger counting from the left.
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## message-1526472689806741644
**2026-07-14T06:17:29.741+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I'm guessing there is no LVS at all AFAICT because there is no reference schematic, so it's YOLO mode.
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## message-1526497864954548387
**2026-07-14T07:57:31.964+00:00 — Noritsuna Imamura (@noritsunaimamura)**
- Message ID: `1526497864954548387`
- Author ID: `754661674145022032`
- Nickname: Noritsuna Imamura
- User name: noritsunaimamura
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-07-14T08:09:21.221+00:00
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I submitted an our project of 0p5x1 slot.
If there's an available free slot, I'd appreciate it if you could have it manufactured.
https://github.com/ishi-kai/ISHI-KAI_Multiple_Projects_WaferSapce-GF180-2/
Also, I got an error when using "ISHI" as the Project ID in the "Generate ID" field. The error disappeared after I changed it to "SK02".
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## message-1526502407385645067
**2026-07-14T08:15:34.964+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
- Message ID: `1526502407385645067`
- Author ID: `1161210755169919007`
- Nickname: судонет
- User name: sudonet
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-07-14T08:28:45.298+00:00
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i also hope there's an available free slot for my design to be manufactured as well (p.s.: wow that's a mouthful)
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## message-1526502528785580164
**2026-07-14T08:16:03.908+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
- Message ID: `1526502528785580164`
- Author ID: `1161210755169919007`
- Nickname: судонет
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- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-07-14T08:16:21.192+00:00
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mine is half-height 1x0p5 though
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## message-1526502888871039047
**2026-07-14T08:17:29.759+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
- Message ID: `1526502888871039047`
- Author ID: `1161210755169919007`
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https://github.com/SUD0NET/as16
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## message-1526512116721389704
**2026-07-14T08:54:09.85+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1526598308523413636
**2026-07-14T14:36:39.577+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1526610595133259888
**2026-07-14T15:25:28.933+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Not for this run obviously, but in general: Do the current toolchains support turning inferred logic[][] memories in RTL into SRAMs (even via a manual synthesis script step or something)?
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## message-1526610648044146769
**2026-07-14T15:25:41.548+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Or if you want to use openram etc is it absolutely mandatory that you do a primitive instantiation in the RTL
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## message-1526610855381438585
**2026-07-14T15:26:30.981+00:00 — azonenberg**
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more generally, what's the best way to structure code that uses ram if you are targeting both asic and FPGA and want to support parameterizable memory sizes?
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## message-1526611728601845990
**2026-07-14T15:29:59.173+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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You can write a [memlib](https://github.com/YosysHQ/yosys/blob/main/passes/memory/memlib.md) file for your available SRAMs, which also includes their cost, and then map to them.
However, I'm not sure if LibreLane has support for adding these things to the Yosys scripts. I would be happy to add these variables, though.
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## message-1526612062795600073
**2026-07-14T15:31:18.851+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Placement, however, is still done manually. We haven't integrated OpenROAD's automated placer into LibreLane yet.
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## message-1526612107049697351
**2026-07-14T15:31:29.402+00:00 — namibj**
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I'd expect so, as the synthesis front end should be the same engines as are used in the AFAIK production-grade non-proprietary FPGA synthesis toolchain, and I'd be weirded out if they failed to think about using EBR unless it's very explicitly instantiated...
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## message-1526612266445967421
**2026-07-14T15:32:07.405+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yeah I'm not worried about placement. So, for background, I'm in the process of building out a suite of open hardware debug IPs currently targeting FPGA
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## message-1526612462391263363
**2026-07-14T15:32:54.122+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it's basically "ARM SoC debug but for gateware", where you have a bridge from $EXTERNAL_BUS (currently UART but planning to add JTAG and Ethernet/UDP transports too) to APB
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## message-1526612560680452267
**2026-07-14T15:33:17.556+00:00 — azonenberg**
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there's a rom table at a well known address / exposed by the bridge that describes each debug IP by a (fourcc ID, base address) tuple
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## message-1526612605920088231
**2026-07-14T15:33:28.342+00:00 — azonenberg**
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then each debug block has a series of registers for e.g. a VIO or ILA
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## message-1526612723234902066
**2026-07-14T15:33:56.312+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Right now they all use "initial" blocks, inferred ram, and are generally written for FPGA style design structures
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## message-1526612892726726827
**2026-07-14T15:34:36.722+00:00 — azonenberg**
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But i'm wondering about the feasibility of eventually getting one of them in asic for fun, it'd be cool to throw an ILA tile in a TT run or something even if it can only record like 128 clocks worth of waveform
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## message-1526612959030415361
**2026-07-14T15:34:52.53+00:00 — azonenberg**
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obviously i'd have to refactor it to use explicit resets but that's straightforward
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## message-1526612997806755931
**2026-07-14T15:35:01.775+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the capture RAM is the part i'm not sure about
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## message-1526613129889583266
**2026-07-14T15:35:33.266+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Turning the ROM with the set of signal names and widths into a high density via rom etc would be nice too but that's lower priority
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## message-1526613291483267193
**2026-07-14T15:36:11.793+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Nice. Yeah, as long as the ram is inferred and implicit resets are removed, that should work.
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## message-1526613312580751400
**2026-07-14T15:36:16.823+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(it's written as a big case statement right now and would have to be restructured but i was going to do that anyway in hopes of getting it to map to block ram more cleanly)
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## message-1526613351071875285
**2026-07-14T15:36:26+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Looking forward to seeing more about it.
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## message-1526613663044079716
**2026-07-14T15:37:40.38+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i've been talking to whitequark about her making a register-compatible amaranth/wishbone version in addition to my systemverilog/APB version. The underlying bus transport doesn't matter as long as it provides 32 bit read/write semantics (no sub-word access is used)
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## message-1526613796335128587
**2026-07-14T15:38:12.159+00:00 — azonenberg**
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On the PC side, a debug bridge connects to the DUT and exposes a libscopehal-compatible SCPI server on a separate TCP socket for each debug IP
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## message-1526613875875647620
**2026-07-14T15:38:31.123+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so you could e.g. have two different ngscopeclient sessions talking to different ILA IPs if you wanted, or one talking to both
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## message-1526614126367998162
**2026-07-14T15:39:30.845+00:00 — azonenberg**
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But before we go that far, and certainly before I make an asic version, i need to make some improvements to the ROM structure, fix some setup and cross-synthesis-tool issues i ran into, and also make it support trigger comparators to trigger on the inputs rather than only having an external trigger input like it does now
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## message-1526614301891104859
**2026-07-14T15:40:12.693+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I've already basically stopped using the Vivado ILA as a result of how much nicer my workflow is though lol
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## message-1526614676656623637
**2026-07-14T15:41:42.044+00:00 — azonenberg**
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## message-1526614717408346284
**2026-07-14T15:41:51.76+00:00 — azonenberg**
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being able to run protocol decodes on ILA waveforms is such a game changer lol
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## message-1526614773066895482
**2026-07-14T15:42:05.03+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(seen here debugging an artix ultrascale+ displayport aux channel transceiver)
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## message-1526615055221788782
**2026-07-14T15:43:12.301+00:00 — azonenberg**
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If this works out well it might even be possible to integrate something like this into say the TT harness as a block that individual tiles could share, rather than having to burn tile space on capture buffers
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## message-1526615194896175255
**2026-07-14T15:43:45.602+00:00 — azonenberg**
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obviously you're not going to get ~128 bits of probes at a 16K sample capture depth like i have here :p
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**2026-07-14T15:46:10.114+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(ts28lp open pdk wen lol)
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## message-1526616286908518541
**2026-07-14T15:48:05.958+00:00 — azonenberg**
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- Edited: 2026-07-14T15:48:17.779+00:00
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anyway, i guess in a couple months when i've polished this up more, i'll see if anybody is interested in shoving an updated version of it into spare space on a die somewhere - i don't want to do a dedicated tapeout just for it since it's small, but if somebody has spare space and a few GPIOs i can steal, i'd like to give it a try and will gladly cover part of the fab cost
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## message-1526617009125851296
**2026-07-14T15:50:58.148+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and if it works maybe you'll get the ability to poke around inside your asic :p
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## message-1526624123415957636
**2026-07-14T16:19:14.327+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh man, I am beyond stressed and worn out now. Finding out you broke not just your own chip, but those of several other people, less than 48 hours before deadline, is not fun.
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## message-1526624151970779237
**2026-07-14T16:19:21.135+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I barely slept last night
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## message-1526624626988552363
**2026-07-14T16:21:14.388+00:00 — namibj**
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As long as your involvement makes the successful tapeout of the chip more likely, I'd be able to give you up to about 1mm^2 of core area along the entire top edge IO of the 1x0.5 slot I'm doing the test structures on.
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## message-1526624761927434469
**2026-07-14T16:21:46.56+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yeah I mean, it should be low risk as long as you keep the APB segment dedicated to debug IPs and don't put anything else on it
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## message-1526624882224398386
**2026-07-14T16:22:15.241+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it uses its own dedicated IOs for the bridge and the ILA is input-only other than the internal APB
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## message-1526625016979128433
**2026-07-14T16:22:47.369+00:00 — azonenberg**
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```text
it's parameterizable so we can figure out how wide and deep to make the capture buffer later
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## message-1526625141600030750
**2026-07-14T16:23:17.081+00:00 — namibj**
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APB?
I'm not doing any of that the only thing we'd share would be the power ring, and I'd probably claim most of the top metal over your section to put flip chip test pads there.
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## message-1526625230280458282
**2026-07-14T16:23:38.224+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yeah the debug interconnect on my implementation is APB although wq was going to use wishbone for her version
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## message-1526625422450888826
**2026-07-14T16:24:24.041+00:00 — azonenberg**
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you can use any memory mapped bus you want
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## message-1526625460484706445
**2026-07-14T16:24:33.109+00:00 — azonenberg**
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ultimately it's just a pipe to read and write 32-bit words
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## message-1526625499655180399
**2026-07-14T16:24:42.448+00:00 — namibj**
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The difficulty is just that we should have _a_ layout submitted to the precheck in about 12 hours to have enough time left to fix any of the CI issues.
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## message-1526625649270198446
**2026-07-14T16:25:18.119+00:00 — azonenberg**
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We're definitely not getting it in this tapeout, I would need to do a bunch of refactoring on the code to switch from implicit to explicit resets and fix a few other things
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## message-1526625664948506695
**2026-07-14T16:25:21.857+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I'd be looking at next cycle
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## message-1526625697857146939
**2026-07-14T16:25:29.703+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh ok.
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## message-1526626382400983070
**2026-07-14T16:28:12.911+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(most or all of the APB side logic is reset by PRESET which can be reset over the UART debug bridge, but the capture-clock domain does not have an explicit reset currently, and the debug bridge itself does not have a POR connection)
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## message-1526627969861288087
**2026-07-14T16:34:31.391+00:00 — namibj**
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(Are you by chance set up to possibly run the e-tests at least while figuring out how to best set that up/aquiring initial coarse sweeps to begin calibrating the SPICE models from which I can then synthesize a sample-efficient set of operating points to probe, because the goal is later to measure several dozen of the dies to quantify same-run cross-die process variations and also better quantify local mismatch statistics?)
It's gonna be wired with tiny tapeout analog switches/MUX-style and there's two lines going to each pin of any of the DUTs, to enable remote-sense measurements for de-embedding the mux's contributions.
DC effects only.
Hoping to include a few of Tholin's 3v3 logic cells among the DUTs, which probably drives the total count of analog lines the MUX uses (I'm not sure where they top out but they at least get up to 9 pins (mux4 as you have to count VDD and VSS as well)).
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## message-1526628224820445299
**2026-07-14T16:35:32.178+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I'm not currently set up to do any on-die probing at home. Anything wired to top level pads is potentially worth looking at though
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## message-1526628351014342788
**2026-07-14T16:36:02.265+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I was talking to some other folks about potentially building a more generic characterization board with an FPGA and STM32 and some I2C for talking to temp sensors on the die carrier etc
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## message-1526628384359317514
**2026-07-14T16:36:10.215+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Just a matter of time and too many things on my plate
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## message-1526632790592979005
**2026-07-14T16:53:40.743+00:00 — namibj**
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No it's all COB'd; if the cob mezzanine handles enough cycles the test adapter/jig could just use that directly with a 3d printed claw to assist in guiding the (un)plugging without putting the force the wrong way onto the board nor the COB.
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## message-1526633314880847903
**2026-07-14T16:55:45.743+00:00 — namibj**
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I mean I'm happy to do the test design work, I just don't really have access to anywhere enough channels of source-measurement-unit/metrology hardware.
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## message-1526633444187308093
**2026-07-14T16:56:16.572+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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no stress, I think we all understood it was a risk to use! Huge props for providing it, my project just wouldn't really have been possible at the scale I wanted without! ❤️
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## message-1526633546142449764
**2026-07-14T16:56:40.88+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yeah I'm definitely excited for it, and hoping one day we get a 1v8 PDK variant too
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## message-1526633640749043762
**2026-07-14T16:57:03.436+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but even the 3v3 lib is a huge step up from the 5v one
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## message-1526633946777911346
**2026-07-14T16:58:16.399+00:00 — namibj**
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@BreakingTaps if you'd have a couple photodiodes including ideally one set up to allow operating it under photovoltaic "energy harvesting" bias conditions (through CMOS transmission gates regular ESD protected analog IO pads), I'd love to try to include them.
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## message-1526634570613522442
**2026-07-14T17:00:45.133+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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hmmm, don't think I ever finished any of the designs enough to be useful (even for probing) 😢 Should have spent some cycles making little macros to put in corners as space allowed. i'll double check when I get home though!
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## message-1526634770430169150
**2026-07-14T17:01:32.773+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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only one that got sorta far was a 1T active pixel, but it needs a ton of other circuitry to be useful. and it was pretty incomplete too
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## message-1526635061901000786
**2026-07-14T17:02:42.265+00:00 — namibj**
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I learned from that that we'll need to fix the tooling that measures data for Liberty specs from custom designed SCL cells, particularly about handling power and ideally some way of checking EDR compliance like current density/electromigration/hot-carrier-injection.
Because that's SCL today has zero extraction of "static power".
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## message-1526635435118297201
**2026-07-14T17:04:11.247+00:00 — namibj**
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I'm expecting support for up to at least 8 DUT pins, and legal voltage range between 0V and 5V relative to substrate.
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## message-1526636066159857776
**2026-07-14T17:06:41.699+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1526636066159857776`
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(those are MUXd out with full kelvin connection to them, I.e., that'd be 16 analog pads that are separate right up to the DUT's pins to de-embed the (near) DC operating point.)
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## message-1526651985842016300
**2026-07-14T18:09:57.247+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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will see if I can vpn into my home machine and dig up the design over lunch! i think i left it pretty not-finished unfortunately
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## message-1526653593153703996
**2026-07-14T18:16:20.46+00:00 — namibj**
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🙁
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## message-1526669898611298445
**2026-07-14T19:21:07.984+00:00 — namibj**
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@Tholin I'll try to throw your cells in as DUTs on the muxed e-test; plan so far is up to 9 pins per DUT (not counting substrate, but very much counting everything but the substrate including the typical VSS rail of an SCL) and probably a 30μm width restriction with mandate of no relevant doping extending beyond, and a couple hundred um height.
Small DUTs with fewer pins can share a slot.
Pins are to be wired kelvin-connected at the DUT's actual pin, so there's 18 lines of m4 (if that fits in the 30um.... :ferrisBallSweatSpin: ) coming in from the short side.
I unfortunately don't expect to have much time to instantiate your full library and kekvin-connect it to those 18 wires, but I _do_ expect to have shit 20~40 DUT slots spare that would love to take thin oxide standard cells.
I'll see to get the interface definition to that drawn up by about 3~4 hours from now and while not promising I can finish the wrapper and MUX in the deadline, I'll do my best.
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## message-1526671422322376946
**2026-07-14T19:27:11.265+00:00 — namibj**
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If anyone else has worthy DUTs they think would fit in the approximately 30 wide 300~400 tall slots with 18 kelvin-connection m4 wires entering from the short side (8 signals plus PDN-ground plus ground-sense), please post in the thread; if someone with experience happens to not be busy on their own chip, I would very appreciate help.
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## message-1526681354018881708
**2026-07-14T20:06:39.166+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Edited: 2026-07-14T20:06:45.1+00:00
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I’m *finally* running a top-level flow again after all day of getting a single macro to behave
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## message-1526681414039507004
**2026-07-14T20:06:53.476+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I think I will just barely make the deadline
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## message-1526681584806137967
**2026-07-14T20:07:34.19+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Rented a way too expensive AWS instance just to iterate faster
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## message-1526681638925242539
**2026-07-14T20:07:47.093+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Detailed routing and DRC checks go brrrrrrrrr
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## message-1526684530663227626
**2026-07-14T20:19:16.537+00:00 — namibj**
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Hmmm
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## message-1526686994804248639
**2026-07-14T20:29:04.034+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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I splashed out for a RYZEN 9 9950X3D bare metal server this time around, definitely worth it. full librelane flow is a little over 2.5hrs for me
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## message-1526693112477388832
**2026-07-14T20:53:22.601+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah I miss the single thread performance of my Ryzen 9 5950X; sadly the south bridge or likely it's VRM is dead.
At least I was able to get this Skylake-SP system to use.
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## message-1526706607101313124
**2026-07-14T21:46:59.97+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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@Tholin There is an unfortunately named CVC-RV tool available that should flag those kind of errors (digital) pretty easily. https://github.com/d-m-bailey/cvc
If you have a magic extracted layout, I could help with the underdocumented setup. It should run in under a minute.
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## message-1526746798503231488
**2026-07-15T00:26:42.347+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yaaaay!
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## message-1526759227090014268
**2026-07-15T01:16:05.553+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1526759227090014268`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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BTW When the precheckers are idle between runs I have been letting @bailey use the hardware for doing validation of designs.
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## message-1526825971569922119
**2026-07-15T05:41:18.677+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1526825971569922119`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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so, well, unless the mux controls turn out to synthesize nicely enough, hope for that to work out is now sadly somewhat limited, welp.
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## message-1526827334383042680
**2026-07-15T05:46:43.597+00:00 — namibj**
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(just timeline though; the issue at hand is pretty much just due to me being not given sufficcient notice to have things prepared for this scenario of how unsold slots are dealt with; that claim is based on assuming that there was more than a week until deadline when it was known that I should with high probability have that muxed-e-test ready by the deadline)
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## message-1526839245355094026
**2026-07-15T06:34:03.394+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Anyone played with https://alpharomerojl.github.io/reticle/ at all?
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## message-1526839543465115699
**2026-07-15T06:35:14.469+00:00 — EmbeddedKen (@embeddedken)**
- Message ID: `1526839543465115699`
- Author ID: `190171097910607873`
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Any idea why OpenROAD (ORFS) would not automatically place a seal ring for 6_final.gds?
"[Error]: Layer 'GUARD_RING_MK' is not used. wafers.space requires a seal ring (guard ring) around the die."
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## message-1526841175250698322
**2026-07-15T06:41:43.517+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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The reason is that the seal ring is not part of the ORFS flow.
If you are not using the LibreLane template, you can "steal" a seal ring from the example layouts and place it in KLayout: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-example-layouts
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## message-1526841324077191208
**2026-07-15T06:42:19+00:00 — EmbeddedKen (@embeddedken)**
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Thanks!
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## message-1526861514684760224
**2026-07-15T08:02:32.816+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell Project https://platform.wafer.space/projects/9fed917e-da6f-4613-b725-216f69c12b1b/ is a half-height slot with precheck-passing GDS that I hit "submit" on that could be included if there happens to be a spare slot available. If not, no worries: there may be more-eligibile projects lining up. Here's the repo for it: https://github.com/algofoogle/gf180ws2-raybox-zero -- I'll try and do a rev before the deadline tonight.
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## message-1526865881169399898
**2026-07-15T08:19:53.867+00:00 — Max Vallone (@mavmaster)**
- Message ID: `1526865881169399898`
- Author ID: `1140876793298047028`
- Nickname: Max Vallone
- User name: mavmaster
- Type: `Default`
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```text
I've been having some issues with file uploads to the submission platform as shown in the photo or additionally things like: Security validation failed: URL validation failed: Failed to check file size: 403 Client Error: Forbidden for url:. Wanted to check if anyone had a workaround
```
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## message-1526866936678318080
**2026-07-15T08:24:05.52+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1526866936678318080`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
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That doesn't look like a valid URL to provide the system, what is your project ID?
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## message-1526867750566363137
**2026-07-15T08:27:19.566+00:00 — Max Vallone (@mavmaster)**
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We have uploads working now. Tried with an uncompressed file and through google instead of github
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## message-1526868452583931934
**2026-07-15T08:30:06.94+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1526868452583931934`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
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My solution for hosting the gds file was to put it in a GitHub release. Also added the librelane logs from the build to the same release so they can be inspected if necessary
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## message-1526868560431808602
**2026-07-15T08:30:32.653+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1526868560431808602`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
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Where you trying to use https://github.com/Purdue-IEEE-EDS/WaferSpace-GF180-June26/blob/LVDS_IO/blocks/top/iref_master.gds ?
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## message-1526869751626731540
**2026-07-15T08:35:16.656+00:00 — Max Vallone (@mavmaster)**
- Message ID: `1526869751626731540`
- Author ID: `1140876793298047028`
- Nickname: Max Vallone
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It was a different GDS but same repo
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## message-1526871504841867284
**2026-07-15T08:42:14.655+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1526871504841867284`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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I just tested and it seemed to work okay? Can you give me your project code?
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## message-1526881422382596190
**2026-07-15T09:21:39.181+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1526881422382596190`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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ok I (practically) give up on completing any useful part of the actual _muxed e-test_ in time, librelane strikes again with confusion and lack of sufficient documentation on the matters of how-to-handle-things-that-are-not-plain-SCL-synthesis, once a user dares to try and have it "just integrate"... welp.
Can anyone help me just stamp out a DRC-legal (filler and a legal sealring) blank slate without the normal pad ring, where I can at least draw up a couple test pads for flip-chip trials that won't require boards with details/specs beyond what JLCPCB has on offer?
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## message-1526882541225902212
**2026-07-15T09:26:05.934+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1526882541225902212`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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@Essen @Tim 'mithro' Ansell I'm sorry the e-test MUX stuff won't make; if there's sufficient expected spare silicon/otherwise-blank slots, I'd like to at least include 2 or 3 candidates of flip chip pads; that won't touch anything but M5 and the nitride passivation/"pad opening" layers; if it's DRC-legal to have floating pads (not connected to diffusion), would I have to do the filler for the other layers myself, necessarily?
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## message-1526883930677186631
**2026-07-15T09:31:37.205+00:00 — EmbeddedKen (@embeddedken)**
- Message ID: `1526883930677186631`
- Author ID: `190171097910607873`
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- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-07-15T09:32:09.91+00:00
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Is there an existing example of a density fill script for OpenROAD?
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## message-1526884205881987083
**2026-07-15T09:32:42.819+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1526884205881987083`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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- User name: mole99
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Yes: `gf180mcuD/libs.tech/klayout/tech/scripts/fill_all.rb`
`klayout -b -zz -r path/to/script -rd input=input.gds -rd output=input.gds`
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## message-1526884268977160272
**2026-07-15T09:32:57.862+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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The LibreLane template does the fill and density check for you :)
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## message-1526884368210202664
**2026-07-15T09:33:21.521+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1526884368210202664`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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I saw something on the matter in KLayout's PDK-loaded menu, iirc. No idea how functional it is, though.
If the flow for this will be that I give someone a GDS that only draws on these two layers of interest, to get it plopped down onto a filler+sealring combo that's otherwise sufficciently DRC-legal due to filler and all, that'd also work.
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## message-1526891282558095361
**2026-07-15T10:00:50.03+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
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damn it's 8:00 pm here in sydney
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## message-1526891343723630662
**2026-07-15T10:01:04.613+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
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still another 2 hours till deadline
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## message-1526898214198837348
**2026-07-15T10:28:22.662+00:00 — dburnett (@dburnett_98395)**
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We have had sealring error issues since yesterday that only appeared when uploading the GDS for final checks online, but they seem to be sorted out. Unfortunately the online GDS verification has been running for an hour already. Hopefully it finishes in the next 90 minutes :\
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## message-1526899261269082194
**2026-07-15T10:32:32.303+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
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- Author ID: `1161210755169919007`
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hope it gets accepted in time!
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## message-1526903541535604846
**2026-07-15T10:49:32.798+00:00 — EmbeddedKen (@embeddedken)**
- Message ID: `1526903541535604846`
- Author ID: `190171097910607873`
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Yea I kinda shot myself in the foot using OpenROAD
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## message-1526903605226115162
**2026-07-15T10:49:47.983+00:00 — EmbeddedKen (@embeddedken)**
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## message-1526903812214751323
**2026-07-15T10:50:37.333+00:00 — EmbeddedKen (@embeddedken)**
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- Author ID: `190171097910607873`
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OpenROAD's pad placement naturally presses directly against the DIE AREA without any padding.
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## message-1526903897363578900
**2026-07-15T10:50:57.634+00:00 — EmbeddedKen (@embeddedken)**
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I imagine pad/seal ring overlap is not allowed
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## message-1526903934143303680
**2026-07-15T10:51:06.403+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Huh no.
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## message-1526904054104723457
**2026-07-15T10:51:35.004+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I mean, even it was, that'd be useless, shorting all the pads together, there isn't much difference between that and nothing.
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## message-1526904409357942895
**2026-07-15T10:52:59.703+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I'm kind of curious why you went for ORFS though ... I see why ORFS was originally created, but now that librelane exist, what's the benefit of ORFS ?
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## message-1526905405475782698
**2026-07-15T10:56:57.196+00:00 — EmbeddedKen (@embeddedken)**
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I was not a fan of OpenLane a few years ago; seems like LibreLane would have been much easier.
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## message-1526906988410310767
**2026-07-15T11:03:14.597+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I wasn't a fan of OpenLane , the first version either. But OpenLane 2 and now LibreLane have a much better architecture and design, there is no contest.
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## message-1526907564904939520
**2026-07-15T11:05:32.044+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I think this is the most dense thing I’ve ever taped out
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## message-1526911372011638845
**2026-07-15T11:20:39.729+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m actually slightly anxious that this will fail the fab’s DRC check because of The Palette, since there is some weird combinations in there.
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## message-1526912281567428639
**2026-07-15T11:24:16.584+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1526912281567428639`
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This just needs the DRC flag `-wedge` as it's not for wedge bonding (but flip chip); and it might need that corner marker stuff if that would trip the platform check.
Oh, and fill, per the defaults; also with fill in case that's easier:
(I think the without-fill is also not zeroes to the origin; that's fixed in the `try2` which also has the fill.)
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## message-1526912286374101022
**2026-07-15T11:24:17.73+00:00 — EmbeddedKen (@embeddedken)**
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```text
Looks like the fix would have been to use:
*set_padring_options -offsets*
"Specifies the offset, in microns, from the edges of the die area to corresponding edges of the padcells."
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## message-1526912433321545909
**2026-07-15T11:24:52.765+00:00 — namibj**
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oh and damn I gues I'm offset..... should be quick to fix tho.
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## message-1526916017534795857
**2026-07-15T11:39:07.308+00:00 — namibj**
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filled and non-filled with size adjusted; turns out the slot docs page rounded numbers from what I can tell....
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## message-1526916142050967593
**2026-07-15T11:39:36.995+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I put months of effort into building FeatherLane, my custom RTL to Layout flow, and I got it to be just powerful enough to run RTL for a RV32I core through it. And I taped it out. FeatherLane was written in plain C with no external dependencies and the code kept as simple as possible with the hopes that it’ll be able to run on the RV32I core, allowing the CPU to reproduce its own layout from RTL. First open-source self-compiling chip layout. This shall be my claim to fame!
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## message-1526916254902911088
**2026-07-15T11:40:03.901+00:00 — namibj**
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tyos??? 😭
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## message-1526916365837926600
**2026-07-15T11:40:30.35+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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What?
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## message-1526916720034582648
**2026-07-15T11:41:54.797+00:00 — rahulbhagwat**
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nope but this looks sick!
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## message-1526917848147034252
**2026-07-15T11:46:23.76+00:00 — namibj**
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not you, me, doing:
> Layout size:
> layout width: 1836.0
> layout height: 2531.0
> Expected slot size:
> slot width: 1936.0
> slot height: 2531.0
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## message-1526918893271257180
**2026-07-15T11:50:32.937+00:00 — namibj**
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sparkly-clean with the latest DRC deck set to `all,-wedge`. Well, the filled one; the other one obviously misses that filler.
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## message-1526919479215390851
**2026-07-15T11:52:52.637+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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I tried to earlier but we made the server crash 😅
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## message-1526919566293471318
**2026-07-15T11:53:13.398+00:00 — algofoogle (Anton Maurovic) (@algofoogle)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1526921327649489038
**2026-07-15T12:00:13.338+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
- Message ID: `1526921327649489038`
- Author ID: `509798510170865675`
- Nickname: Essen
- User name: essen__
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-07-15T12:04:10.513+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1526921327649489038
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2026-07/2026-07.json
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**And it's done! ** 🕰️
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## message-1526921632105365524
**2026-07-15T12:01:25.926+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1526921632105365524`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
- Type: `Default`
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https://platform.wafer.space/projects/96a9e8e4-31b1-4f4a-bdfb-0ccf39343834/ these are a couple flip chip test pads; the smaller ones are for tight and calm pitch targeting ACF bonding to JLCPCB's 0.33oz 2L flex (2~3 mil minimum usable half-pitch); the larger ones are for trying WLCSP-LGA processing options/tactics that would offer high performance (current, thermals, and signal integrity) attachment to affordable PCBs at the cost of reduced/limited pin count vs. the current wire bond option.
The dense ACF tactic would have somewhat higher DC resistance and possibly thermal vulnerabilities, but could (when somewhat extended/pushed) probably double to quadruple the maximum IO count on a full slot.
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## message-1526929393945940128
**2026-07-15T12:32:16.493+00:00 — dburnett (@dburnett_98395)**
- Message ID: `1526929393945940128`
- Author ID: `1484537281934131200`
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Looks like our online check took 3 hours and failed with 5 DRC violations despite running clean locally 🙁
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## message-1526929683265093652
**2026-07-15T12:33:25.472+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Is that magic or klayout violations ?
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## message-1526929843852152925
**2026-07-15T12:34:03.759+00:00 — dburnett (@dburnett_98395)**
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klayout
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## message-1526951937155530842
**2026-07-15T14:01:51.213+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1526951937155530842`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-07-15T16:33:49.397+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1526951937155530842
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%E2%84%B9%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Information/general/2026-07/2026-07.json
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell @Leo Moser (mole99) @Andrew Wingate
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## message-1526952059780206613
**2026-07-15T14:02:20.449+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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```text
```
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## message-1526952481521668107
**2026-07-15T14:04:01+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1526952481521668107`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-07-15T14:04:34.93+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1526952481521668107
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It looks like mainline Linux with MMU is running on the GF180MCU. Machdyne built the board and did the bring-up. He sent me one board so I can investigate it further.
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## message-1526952757305544755
**2026-07-15T14:05:06.752+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1526952757305544755`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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He wrote to me earlier that the system has already been running for six hours.
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## message-1526959942626705534
**2026-07-15T14:33:39.866+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Which instance type out of curiosity?
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## message-1526960075451924641
**2026-07-15T14:34:11.534+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Don’t remember
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## message-1526960241319743589
**2026-07-15T14:34:51.08+00:00 — azonenberg**
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skylake-sp is old but better than nothing
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## message-1526960933912711208
**2026-07-15T14:37:36.207+00:00 — azonenberg**
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If folks working on foundational stuff like open cell libraries and PHY IP need extra compute, i may be able to help
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**2026-07-15T14:38:09.517+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I have a bunch of fairly beefy compute in my home lab that I can offer up VMs on
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**2026-07-15T14:39:31.577+00:00 — azonenberg**
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64 vCPUs and 512GB RAM on one and 52 vCPUs and 128GB on the other. The bigger box also has a bunch of nvidia 3050s in it
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**2026-07-15T14:40:30.488+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so compute wise, i can offer up to roughly a c6i.12xlarge instance equivalent but optionally with a lot more RAM per vCPU, and one or more nvidia cards
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**2026-07-15T14:40:52.146+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Upload bandwidth to the internet is only about 40 Mbps but if you're mostly using it for compute-heavy tasks and RDP/VNCing into it, that should be fine
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**2026-07-15T14:41:37.397+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the big system is a xeon platinum 8362 and the smaller a gold 5320, so both are icelake based, two gens newer than skylake-sp
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**2026-07-15T14:42:55.755+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I do use these same VM hosts to run my own lab production workloads as well as CI builds for ngscopeclient so i'll need to do some balancing to free up a GPU or a huge amount of compute (e.g. by reducing the level of concurrent CI jobs during the time you're using the system) so it's not something to waste lightly, but if the IP you're developing is open source and it will make a significant difference in your ability to iterate/test i'll do what I can
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**2026-07-15T14:44:41.777+00:00 — azonenberg**
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High memory is easy for me to offer within reason, I have a lot of burst capacity for running tons of CI jobs
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## message-1526962753783468194
**2026-07-15T14:44:50.098+00:00 — azonenberg**
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## message-1526962789661413376
**2026-07-15T14:44:58.652+00:00 — azonenberg**
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## message-1526963521487638609
**2026-07-15T14:47:53.133+00:00 — azonenberg**
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@Tholin ^
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## message-1526967293936926821
**2026-07-15T15:02:52.555+00:00 — namibj**
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You don't happen to have the skills it takes to figure decently efficient hyperparameters for letting Xyce simulate up to a couple mm^2 of gf180mcuD PEX extraction, or do you?
I lack the background to know how to tune the bunch of solver options and solver choices offered 🙁
I'm just seeing it being highly stalling on memory with also sadly substantial lacks in reasonable prefetching behavior (it's nowhere near 30% bandwidth utilization and hovers around 0.02~0.05 IPC... Yeah it's bad.)
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## message-1526967553774063729
**2026-07-15T15:03:54.505+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I have no experience with the existing solvers. Optimization in general is something I am good at when I have the time, but it's currently a lot easier for me to spend a few minutes setting up a VPN and instance for someone and letting them play with it than to spend a lot of time doing development
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**2026-07-15T15:04:07.961+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Long term down the road i wanted to try my hand at making GPU accelerated blocks for some passes
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**2026-07-15T15:04:14.635+00:00 — azonenberg**
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possibly including extractions
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## message-1526967680328929372
**2026-07-15T15:04:24.678+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but i'd need to understand the existing algorithms much better first and have not had time to do that
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## message-1526968307884884093
**2026-07-15T15:06:54.299+00:00 — namibj**
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Well it's "just" some non-linear solving that seems to typically include a lot of linear solving in its course, so I don't think it's particularly Xyce-specific how one understands which solving strategies to use/try to make it faster.
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## message-1526970840502112346
**2026-07-15T15:16:58.122+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah I am hoping to eventually get analytic autodiff capable models to use for some fancier higher-order-derivatives-using numerical solvers/optimizers.
Including enabling a way to do harmonic balance (-like) solves with intrusive sensitivity and approximated Bayesian modeling of process variations (notably local mismatch is a concern).
But it's not looking too good; and a better start might be to port the mosfet models away from the crusty legacy BSIM4 code to numerically much nicer modern mosfet code that also allows physically realistic simulation of more-asymmetric FETs.
(A particular interest are annual FETs and related structures.)
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## message-1526970995104157840
**2026-07-15T15:17:34.982+00:00 — azonenberg**
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This is all way beyond my understanding, the only solver i've dug into the internals of at all is method-of-moments EM analysis
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## message-1526971105200570429
**2026-07-15T15:18:01.231+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and i dont grok the math there either, i was focusing on the computationally heavy bit that solves a huge system of linear equations by LU decomposition of a matrix
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## message-1526971134262902946
**2026-07-15T15:18:08.16+00:00 — azonenberg**
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where those equations come from is somebody else's problem :p
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## message-1526971174263717938
**2026-07-15T15:18:17.697+00:00 — azonenberg**
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solving a matrix more efficiently, that i can do
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## message-1526971497258815549
**2026-07-15T15:19:34.705+00:00 — vpro**
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Sorry, beginner question. What are the modern models of MOSFETs represented as? What’s the successor to BSIM?
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## message-1526971584521441372
**2026-07-15T15:19:55.51+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah; occasionally Xyce has to evaluate the non linear device models again.
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## message-1526972173842120714
**2026-07-15T15:22:16.015+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(most of the parasitics etc extraction i have experience with is transmission line modeling on PCBs running at tens of GHz)
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## message-1526973561535856782
**2026-07-15T15:27:46.867+00:00 — namibj**
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BSIM4 is the bad one; BSIM6 and PSP103 should help a lot.
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## message-1526974120451903691
**2026-07-15T15:30:00.123+00:00 — vpro**
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Cool! I assume these models often packaged with closed source PDKs?
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## message-1526974405270306916
**2026-07-15T15:31:08.029+00:00 — vpro**
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What does it take to complete a BSIM6 model as opposed to a BSIM4 on the development of the kit?
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## message-1526974514057973791
**2026-07-15T15:31:33.966+00:00 — namibj**
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Does that care much about the fiber-ness of the glass or does it approximate the fiber layer as a homogenous (even if not isotropic) medium while at most having separate layers for the non-fiber sheets of matrix (typically epoxy) between them (the layers exist because the stacked fiber sheets aren't interwoven together, but it's just a stack of cloth sheets that got epoxied together into a block that's faaaar weaker to delamination than to in-plane loads)?
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## message-1526974811518140590
**2026-07-15T15:32:44.886+00:00 — vpro**
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SI? For SerDes? Is the industry still using Matlab for this?
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## message-1526974903193047141
**2026-07-15T15:33:06.743+00:00 — vpro**
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Apologies for the tirade of questions lol
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## message-1526975669479936021
**2026-07-15T15:36:09.44+00:00 — azonenberg**
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The solver I am using does not model nonuniform dielectrics in the x-y plane. you can have arbitrary numbers of layers of any thickness, Dk, Df you want
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## message-1526975703873093703
**2026-07-15T15:36:17.64+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but the parameters cannot vary with spatial position
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## message-1526975724748275732
**2026-07-15T15:36:22.617+00:00 — azonenberg**
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So it won't model fiber weave effect
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## message-1526975777529270392
**2026-07-15T15:36:35.201+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but you can model e.g. cores and prepregs having different resin density no problem
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## message-1526975892335759491
**2026-07-15T15:37:02.573+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yeah. I'm sure some people use matlab i use sonnet for the extractions then do time domain modeling in ngscopeclient to do TDR/eye pattern transforms off the touchstone files
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## message-1526976266656284732
**2026-07-15T15:38:31.818+00:00 — vpro**
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Oh cool! I’ve been meaning to find some open source tooling around the space. Are these OSS?
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## message-1526976642843545752
**2026-07-15T15:40:01.508+00:00 — vpro**
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A couple friends / peers of mine did some tangential work:
- https://github.com/richard259/serdespy
- https://github.com/capybara-capstone/PLLPy
but this is not really a full suite, nor would I say is it super high fidelity
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## message-1526977097728528404
**2026-07-15T15:41:49.961+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Sonnet is not, it's one of the lower priced commercial EM solvers
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## message-1526977164979863632
**2026-07-15T15:42:05.995+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I have a really good relationship with the developers, AVX code I wrote is in the inner loop of the solver now, and get a huge discount as a result
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## message-1526977226405445813
**2026-07-15T15:42:20.64+00:00 — vpro**
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Oh no way! That’s awesome
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## message-1526977382592806935
**2026-07-15T15:42:57.878+00:00 — azonenberg**
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ngscopeclient is F/OSS and I'm the lead dev
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## message-1526977512536805508
**2026-07-15T15:43:28.859+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it's also gpu accelerated and ludicrously fast, it'll do eye patterns something like 2-3 OOMs faster than my lecroy scope's vendor software
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**2026-07-15T15:43:45.147+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the bottleneck is often getting data from the scope into the software, not the compute
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## message-1526977691335659711
**2026-07-15T15:44:11.488+00:00 — vpro**
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Makes sense, often the case nowadays
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**2026-07-15T15:44:25.683+00:00 — vpro**
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Smth smth latency bound haha
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## message-1526977772478533794
**2026-07-15T15:44:30.834+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Which is why i am so excited about the ThunderScope
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## message-1526977931962744935
**2026-07-15T15:45:08.858+00:00 — azonenberg**
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this is 4 Gsps of live streaming sample data FFT'd in real time. 32 Gbps of waveform data, every sample off the ADC, from four different scopes around the lab firehosing over 100GbE to a single workstation
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## message-1526977986656604254
**2026-07-15T15:45:21.898+00:00 — vpro**
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So I assume your workflow is first simulating some high speed link across a PCB, then actually testing it after manufacturing?
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## message-1526978257982062642
**2026-07-15T15:46:26.587+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yeah I iterate a bunch doing the layout in kicad, exporting to gerber, a pass through klayout to convert from gerber to dxf and crop out the region of interest, extract to s-parameters in sonnet (the one non-f/oss part of the flow) then TDR transforms and simulated eye patterns in ngscopeclient
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## message-1526978268220231782
**2026-07-15T15:46:29.028+00:00 — vpro**
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Holy parallel processing Batman.
That’s sick, what’s the key enabler from ThunderScope? Is it just an easier way to access high speed output?
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## message-1526978338814562485
**2026-07-15T15:46:45.859+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yeah there's plenty of scopes with higher analog performance than the TS
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## message-1526978404363145216
**2026-07-15T15:47:01.487+00:00 — azonenberg**
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nothing comes even *close* to the back end data streaming capability
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**2026-07-15T15:47:06.864+00:00 — vpro**
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I’ve heard yeah, was fortunate enough to see it at Latch Up this year
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## message-1526978439079399485
**2026-07-15T15:47:09.764+00:00 — azonenberg**
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picoscopes push about 2.5 Gbps max and they're the industry leader
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**2026-07-15T15:47:12.704+00:00 — azonenberg**
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TS will do 8
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**2026-07-15T15:47:17.36+00:00 — azonenberg**
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**2026-07-15T15:47:44.089+00:00 — azonenberg**
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my GPU can barely keep up, it'll do FFT and draw the waveforms but when i turn on a waterfall it slows from 50 Hz refresh rate to 45
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**2026-07-15T15:47:48.098+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(at 20M points per channel)
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**2026-07-15T15:48:36.119+00:00 — azonenberg**
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But I want to use this same platform, and my higher bandwidth LeCroy scopes, to do open SERDES IP characterization whenever someone tapes one out with some semblance of success and gets me samples
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## message-1526978862372884694
**2026-07-15T15:48:50.685+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I'm capable of doing full characterization out to around 10 Gbps NRZ and BER / BER eye measurements out to 25G NRZ
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## message-1526978992542978100
**2026-07-15T15:49:21.72+00:00 — azonenberg**
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The software can do PAM3/PAM4 as well
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## message-1526979224580128960
**2026-07-15T15:50:17.042+00:00 — vpro**
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Yeah! I’ve been looking into atleast building some open source educational material around SerDes
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## message-1526979268100231168
**2026-07-15T15:50:27.418+00:00 — vpro**
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Not sure if a full tapeout is in scope nowadays
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## message-1526979276732366919
**2026-07-15T15:50:29.476+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I assume you've seen sam palermo's course notes, they're excellent
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## message-1526979331363049566
**2026-07-15T15:50:42.501+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I wrote most of the wikipedia page on eye patterns and need to add more meat there
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## message-1526979381774254141
**2026-07-15T15:50:54.52+00:00 — vpro**
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No I haven’t! I’ve been using the Springer textbook on HSS for most context so far
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## message-1526979390251073568
**2026-07-15T15:50:56.541+00:00 — vpro**
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I’ll take a peek
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## message-1526979552100749553
**2026-07-15T15:51:35.129+00:00 — azonenberg**
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ngscopeclient can do CDR (using a not-perfect but good enough for most purposes PLL), eye patterns, all kinds of measurements like TIE histograms and jitter spectra and bathtub curves
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## message-1526979578831044769
**2026-07-15T15:51:41.502+00:00 — azonenberg**
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most of these are GPU accelerated
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## message-1526979675602292748
**2026-07-15T15:52:04.574+00:00 — vpro**
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I will definitely take a peek then, I’ve been drowning in the MATLAB SerDes designer so far
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## message-1526979715297050824
**2026-07-15T15:52:14.038+00:00 — vpro**
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Which has been an absolute pita
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**2026-07-15T15:52:38.447+00:00 — azonenberg**
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There is also a wip simulation flow. you can generate PRBses then convert to NRZ or PAM4 analog waveforms
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**2026-07-15T15:52:48.189+00:00 — azonenberg**
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add sinusoidal Pj or gaussian RJ
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**2026-07-15T15:52:50.264+00:00 — azonenberg**
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add AWGN
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## message-1526979881580232864
**2026-07-15T15:52:53.683+00:00 — vpro**
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Would be curious to learn more about workflows that ingest IBIS-AMI models, how are those actually used in verification / validation for SI?
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## message-1526979904082804867
**2026-07-15T15:52:59.048+00:00 — azonenberg**
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do FFT channel emulation of a s-parameter channel
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## message-1526979937465270364
**2026-07-15T15:53:07.007+00:00 — azonenberg**
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we do not support IBIS-AMI and have very very limited regular-IBIS support
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**2026-07-15T15:53:17.046+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(it just replays canned rising./falling edge waveforms)
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**2026-07-15T15:53:30.343+00:00 — azonenberg**
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we can do CTLE and tap-based FIR equalization
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## message-1526980106852106362
**2026-07-15T15:53:47.392+00:00 — vpro**
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That’s sick!
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## message-1526980111461515374
**2026-07-15T15:53:48.491+00:00 — azonenberg**
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simulate TX FFE pre/de emphasis or remove it
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**2026-07-15T15:53:58.598+00:00 — azonenberg**
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no DFE currently
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## message-1526980187819081728
**2026-07-15T15:54:06.696+00:00 — azonenberg**
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all of these blocks can apply to real scope waveforms too
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**2026-07-15T15:54:24.346+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so like, you can take a not-great eye off a scope and throw a CTLE with specific pole/zero frequencies on it in post
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## message-1526980440450269354
**2026-07-15T15:55:06.928+00:00 — vpro**
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I guess the real question is the transition from this simulation tool to the (presumably) DSP-based equalization circuits on both ends. If you wanted to tape it out?
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## message-1526980587737579600
**2026-07-15T15:55:42.044+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i mean, ngscopeclient is fundamentally a waveform processing sandbox. it's not a simulation tool per se
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## message-1526980610269380850
**2026-07-15T15:55:47.416+00:00 — vpro**
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Gotcha
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## message-1526980648374636747
**2026-07-15T15:55:56.501+00:00 — vpro**
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Right, makes sense
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## message-1526980654175359097
**2026-07-15T15:55:57.884+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it just doesnt care if the waveform you're looking at came from a CSV file or a scope or was generated by another filter graph node
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**2026-07-15T15:56:08.083+00:00 — azonenberg**
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data in, stuff happens, data out
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## message-1526980734160736257
**2026-07-15T15:56:16.954+00:00 — vpro**
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I guess I meant the translation of the logic from a GPU kernel to some logic on a chip
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**2026-07-15T15:56:24.802+00:00 — vpro**
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Right, understood
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## message-1526980824837390597
**2026-07-15T15:56:38.573+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yeah. Making an analog block that matches the behavior of a specific filter kernel is not my area of expertise
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## message-1526980925525590088
**2026-07-15T15:57:02.579+00:00 — azonenberg**
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But like, TX FIR equalization in hardware matches very closely to how you would do it in DSP
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## message-1526980966814580779
**2026-07-15T15:57:12.423+00:00 — azonenberg**
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you just have three output drivers on a sliding window of 3 output bits X, X-1, X+1
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## message-1526981005586731198
**2026-07-15T15:57:21.667+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and adjustable weights for each
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## message-1526981563768766635
**2026-07-15T15:59:34.748+00:00 — azonenberg**
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@vpro also if you want to play with ngscopeclient please either build from source or grab the latest CI build
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## message-1526981611717918770
**2026-07-15T15:59:46.18+00:00 — azonenberg**
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there have been massive improvements since v0.1.1 and 0.2 is coming out in the next week or so probably
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## message-1526981660963377183
**2026-07-15T15:59:57.921+00:00 — vpro**
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Ok perfect will do, has the GPU util been built for WSL2 stations?
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## message-1526981713295835258
**2026-07-15T16:00:10.398+00:00 — vpro**
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Unfortunately on the go, so I'm working off my laptop haha
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## message-1526981759466471575
**2026-07-15T16:00:21.406+00:00 — azonenberg**
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No idea about WSL but it runs natively on windows, we have binaries built with msys2 that you can just install as a MSI
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## message-1526981776197550130
**2026-07-15T16:00:25.395+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and macos
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## message-1526981790672355389
**2026-07-15T16:00:28.846+00:00 — vpro**
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ok perfect
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**2026-07-15T16:00:34.873+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(the CI binaries are not signed although the releases are)
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## message-1526981859446227121
**2026-07-15T16:00:45.243+00:00 — vpro**
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Yeah WSL is a bit weird, whenever I try to get GPU util on linux sw it's gets a bit wonky
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## message-1526981918032400474
**2026-07-15T16:00:59.211+00:00 — azonenberg**
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https://dl1.antikernel.net/ngscopeclient-ci/2026/07/2026-07-14-0845PDT-cfed471e/win11-x64/ this is the latest build
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## message-1526985930068594812
**2026-07-15T16:16:55.755+00:00 — namibj**
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First step should be filling in the physical base parameters like doping concentrations and oxide thickness, second step would IMO be synthesizing a large dump of synthetic e-test DC operating conditions with full global& local process variations enabled (and probably ideally exposed, i.e., the random values it picked from the statistical distribution should be reported with the DC operating point "measurements"), and then using an optimizer (e.g. through Xyce's sensitivity analysis or by plucking the calls to the BSIM6 code out of Xyce and stuffing it into a more targeted harness) to model-fit the tunables of the BSIM6 model bins to make it match the synthesized e-test "measurements" under the specified values for the random variables that encode the local&global process variations (those random variables with physically reasoned statistical distribution shapes get mangled by the non-linear mosfet model into whatever effect they have on the synthetic-e-test "measurements").
I kinda hoped to include some actual e-test DUTs on a convenient analog MUX on Run2 so we could have set up to collect real e-test measurements from literally a couple hundred dies, to give us the ability to much better calibrate the statistical models of "single-FOUP batch-of-wafers" "pseudo-local" mismatch.
..including a way to model how location on the wafer affects things, and, to an extent, _at least approximating_ a multi-scale stochastic model of the "locality" concept for mismatch/matching.
Like, @tnt always says to bias MOSFET current sources (for e.g. differential amplifier tail current biasing) by copying a master reference current for all consumer blocks, wiring to those consumer blocks the thus constant-current lines, and receiving these reference currents into a current mirror locally at each block.
Sure, there are some effects that can shift reference potential, like IR drop in the PDN on the VSS connection, but beyond those aspects (which are just cases of "single ended signaling is sensitive to ground bounce"), and ofc temperature differences from gradients across the die, but otherwise it's some form of currently-not-modeled locality-sensitive mismatch.
I'd like to have a stochastic model that can _quantify_ the trade-off between more sequential stages of current mirrors/current-fan-out multi-output buffers, and using larger transistors but fewer stages, which could both be dialed to have equal area and power, differing only in "performance".
And without a model that actually differentiates between a nicely laid out matched pair, and someone placing the input and output of a simple current mirror 500μm apart, I'm very-not-happy about that concept.
Because everything in the choice of shapes and their arrangement in the GDS is a trade-off. Starts with higher density SCL PnR taking prohibitively long to succeed creating a legal routing that meets timing, and ends somewhere around dreaming up structures like the free vertical PNP & NPN of sky130A/gf180mcuD, the ldmos structures of both, and some esd-clamping structures that can be made with the same mask set fabrication process (but not necessarily the same mask layer generation from drawn layers (I don't mean OPC, but rather that some masks (pre-OPC) are kinda indirect Boolean functions of several drawn layers)) while behaving as a poly-gate-triggered thyristor.
(Such thyristor approaches can beat passive ESD diodes by a lot, especially in situations where there are no convenient fat power rails a diode could clamp to, like a 5V CMOS GPIO on a chip that's otherwise running a 1.8V core; it'd be easy to overload the entire 5V VDD rail if there are just a couple GPIO cells on that supply.)
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## message-1526986259896209599
**2026-07-15T16:18:14.392+00:00 — namibj**
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_working towards it_
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**2026-07-15T16:19:45.245+00:00 — namibj**
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Btw, is there practical utility to creating a 10GBaud PAM3/4 TX on gf180mcuD/sky130A?
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## message-1526987393045889196
**2026-07-15T16:22:44.556+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I am not aware of any existing protocols that do this, but it would be fun to characterize
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## message-1526987474818039921
**2026-07-15T16:23:04.052+00:00 — azonenberg**
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1000baseT1 is 750 Mbaud PAM3 and 100baseT1 is 66 Mbaud PAM3
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## message-1526987536717709323
**2026-07-15T16:23:18.81+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i do not know of anyone using PAM4 below about 28 gbaud
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## message-1526987822081511536
**2026-07-15T16:24:26.846+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I also do not see a point in making an open ethernet PHY IP at this stage because those are cheap jellybean parts you can buy
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## message-1526987917749391522
**2026-07-15T16:24:49.655+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the key enablers will be high speed IO interfaces you can't practically buy as an external peripheral, e.g. PCIe
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## message-1526988139409707050
**2026-07-15T16:25:42.503+00:00 — azonenberg**
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The minimum viable "actually useful" high speed PHY, in my opinion, is a 2.5 Gbaud NRZ SERDES that supports the PCIe receiver detect stuff, and can run at half-rate for SGMII / 1000base-X
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## message-1526988193495519243
**2026-07-15T16:25:55.398+00:00 — azonenberg**
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that will give you ethernet and pcie gen1
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## message-1526988315570733206
**2026-07-15T16:26:24.503+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the next notches up on the list of interesting targets are 5 Gbaud NRZ for pcie gen2, 8 Gbaud NRZ for pcie gen3, and 10.3125 G NRZ for 10GbaseR
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## message-1526988501290192947
**2026-07-15T16:27:08.782+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and then in between all of this, JESD204 doesnt have fixed speed targets and you can run it at whatever speed depending on your adc clock and lane count, so it would be enabled by any of the above and there's not like a "jesd204 gen1" speed we can aim for
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## message-1526988603379421234
**2026-07-15T16:27:33.122+00:00 — azonenberg**
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5G NRZ would also enable usb3
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## message-1526988646706843782
**2026-07-15T16:27:43.452+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the usb3 phy is almost identical to pcie gen2 and dual-mode PHYs are very common
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## message-1526988735470637126
**2026-07-15T16:28:04.615+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so any serdes capable of doing one can likely, with few if any changes, do the other
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## message-1526989015620915240
**2026-07-15T16:29:11.408+00:00 — namibj**
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I have like 70% of the cells for 10GBaud NRZ TX on gf180mcuD with a couple taps of FIR, and current-mode output driver, behaving themselves in xschem/SPICE for a few weeks now, and about 20% of the overall cells through layout, so it should be realistic to finish the rest and then do a bit of post-layout SPICE tuning to make them run significantly more efficiently (to afford the power of several FIR taps), months before the Run3 deadline.
Help would be VERY appreciated.
Let's talk in 10~15 days on details if you're interested; expressing interest or chatting about rough plans for the project and that can be discussed sooner.
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## message-1526989149586849948
**2026-07-15T16:29:43.348+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I am interested in post silicon characterization but am not familiar enough with the analog side of things to be able to contribute significantly to the design
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## message-1526989176837374053
**2026-07-15T16:29:49.845+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I want it to exist and will happily test once it's made
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## message-1526989264460579008
**2026-07-15T16:30:10.736+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and I am very comfortable with line coding and similar stuff that can be paired with said serdes once it's validated to do Real Work (tm)
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## message-1526989467183874119
**2026-07-15T16:30:59.069+00:00 — azonenberg**
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e.g. I have an FPGA proven 64/66b coder and 10gbaseR PCS block that I also used the 64/66b block from on a 28nm ASIC and it worked there too
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## message-1526989759971459083
**2026-07-15T16:32:08.875+00:00 — azonenberg**
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And I can assist with things like board layout and test fixture design
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## message-1526989842632671313
**2026-07-15T16:32:28.583+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but i do not know transistor level analog design/layout at all
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## message-1526990021251305646
**2026-07-15T16:33:11.169+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and in a couple weeks if access to some big iron VMs will help your simulations and tuning, i can probably help with that too
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## message-1526991675040465020
**2026-07-15T16:39:45.463+00:00 — namibj**
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IMO "it just spits out Ethernet frames into a regular 10GBASE-SR/25GBSE-SR(-C) SFP+/SFP28, with a comfy 100BASE-T or RGMII back-channel for the reverse of the link" is a fairly convenient to consume high speed output option for these MPW options, because it's one of the few not-horribly-proprietary/-exotic SerDes MAC protocols that works without a high speed RX on the ASIC and hyper-COTS reception equipment on the way from the ASIC into a computer.
PCIe&USB need duplex PHYs; MIPI DSI/CSI are generic but not cheap COTS to funnel into a computer; DP/HDMI are waaaay more expensive but likely still cheaper than DSI/CSI to funnel into a computer without the dongle forcing lossy image compression; imfiniband fiber channel SAS and SATA AFAIK all demand duplex PHYs; that leaves what other option besides Ethernet?
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## message-1526991740735590710
**2026-07-15T16:40:01.126+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah I know.
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## message-1526992521144565865
**2026-07-15T16:43:07.19+00:00 — azonenberg**
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what i mean is i dont see a point in making a baseT PHY because you can easily just hang a RGMII off your chip
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## message-1526992724497273042
**2026-07-15T16:43:55.673+00:00 — azonenberg**
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ideally i would like a bidirectional high speed PHY but a TX-only 10G PHY is certainly a good starting point
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## message-1526994187289886760
**2026-07-15T16:49:44.43+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(and a TX is probably easier to validate than a RX)
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## message-1526994539020161064
**2026-07-15T16:51:08.289+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh yeah, especially because the non-rare-variant BASE-T speeds that would even be properly interesting for direct usage are AFAIK all full-duplex with echo-cancellation.
Which is not reasonable to do "casually"; pretty sure it's much easier to do 1000BASE-KR than to do 1000BASE-T.
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## message-1526994757711298570
**2026-07-15T16:52:00.429+00:00 — azonenberg**
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yes by *far*
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## message-1526994836245446819
**2026-07-15T16:52:19.153+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I would much rather slap a SGMII PHY or baseT SFP+ in a cage next to a chip than try to put a 1000baseT PHY on it
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## message-1526994968206643332
**2026-07-15T16:52:50.615+00:00 — azonenberg**
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100baseTX is probably reasonable to do for fun but there's no practical point
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## message-1526996678714986617
**2026-07-15T16:59:38.432+00:00 — namibj**
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Sure some use cases need high speed RX, but it's much harder to push RX speed on a process node people traditionally question the possibility of that SerDes speed with, than it is to RX.
E.g. I'm pretty sure with inductors and using about half of a w.s quarter slot I could get to spec-compliant 25GBASE-KR TX; and on a full slot probably upgrade that to 50GBASE-KR with it's PAM4, but I have no hope getting even just 25GBASE-R RX anywhere near nominal RX equalization quality/eye-tolerance on a full slot, unless you let me burn like 10~20 W or thereabouts which would need gaming overclocking levels of die TDP/heatsink solutions to pull off..
The 25G TX should not need more than a decent QFN package and a decent PCB with thermal vias in a not-hot-stuffy-enclosure environment to run, in comparison...
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## message-1526996790119895051
**2026-07-15T17:00:04.993+00:00 — namibj**
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IIRC there's PHY for that on a recent TT.
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## message-1526997003953901599
**2026-07-15T17:00:55.975+00:00 — azonenberg**
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yeah 25G is a whole different ballgame
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## message-1526997012212355123
**2026-07-15T17:00:57.944+00:00 — namibj**
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Well, maybe missing the differential impedance matched line driver/receiver but that's harmless at that speed.
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## message-1526997061676044338
**2026-07-15T17:01:09.737+00:00 — azonenberg**
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for me, 2.5G full duplex would be more interesting as a baseline because then i could hang the chip off of pcie
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## message-1526997144341315674
**2026-07-15T17:01:29.446+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i would even be OK with needing an external repeater/retimer because its buitl in receiver can't handle as much insertion loss as the spec demands
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## message-1526997208854036695
**2026-07-15T17:01:44.827+00:00 — namibj**
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I'm not sure 10G RX is easy, at least not with non-peachy eyes.
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## message-1526997521363374244
**2026-07-15T17:02:59.335+00:00 — azonenberg**
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How feasible do you think a 2.5G RX / as-fast-as-you-can TX would be?
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## message-1526997588128043149
**2026-07-15T17:03:15.253+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i.e. you can use it for pcie or 1000baseX, or a super-fast one-way link
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## message-1526997626019385434
**2026-07-15T17:03:24.287+00:00 — azonenberg**
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perhaps as separate physical IPs for tx, rx, and common/pll
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## message-1526997638384320512
**2026-07-15T17:03:27.235+00:00 — azonenberg**
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that you can gang in any combo
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## message-1526997930769121350
**2026-07-15T17:04:36.945+00:00 — namibj**
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5G should not be a problem as long as the eye is open enough with 2-"tap" (it's not taps but I forgot the unit, it's the "2" though) CTLE and no DFE to have a decent jitter tolerance.
Only 8b/10b though because CDR gets much harder to lock on without that many forced transitions.
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## message-1526998235905003540
**2026-07-15T17:05:49.695+00:00 — azonenberg**
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well all of the common 5G protocols like pcie gen1/2 and usb3 use 8b10b anyway
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**2026-07-15T17:05:52.98+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so that's fine
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## message-1526999078259654849
**2026-07-15T17:09:10.528+00:00 — namibj**
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There's two parts to the PLL; the fast VCO directly tuned to the gigabit current mode logic gates, and whatever 100s of MHz intermediate you can handle with CMOS SCL clock trees that you use with probably a reference crystal and dial in to give you the CDR because it's comfy to work with; the fast VCO would run a fixed divider wide bandwidth PLL from that, likely matching the MUX ratio of the SerDes.
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## message-1526999190322941962
**2026-07-15T17:09:37.246+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah except 5GBASE-R 😄
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## message-1527002509628018698
**2026-07-15T17:22:48.63+00:00 — azonenberg**
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5gbaseR is not 5gbaud
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## message-1527002527004889109
**2026-07-15T17:22:52.773+00:00 — azonenberg**
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or wait baseR
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## message-1527002534110036011
**2026-07-15T17:22:54.467+00:00 — azonenberg**
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is that a thing
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## message-1527002570063745025
**2026-07-15T17:23:03.039+00:00 — azonenberg**
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is it like downclocked 10gbaseR
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**2026-07-15T17:23:14.408+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i wanted this yaears ago when artix7 was the new hotness to get >1 gbps off a cheap fpga to a lan
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**2026-07-15T17:23:24.091+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i could have hypothetically built it but nothing spoke it that i could put on the far end of the link
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**2026-07-15T17:33:11.143+00:00 — namibj**
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If I make you a parametric SPICE model for a tunable CT"L"E input buffer/limiting amplifier, where you "design time" tune the sizing parameters and "run time/link tuning" tune the bias currents, would you be in a position to subject that to sufficiently-realistic input eyes and see if there's a set of sizing parameters that let you turn the relevant range of input eyes into a "reasonably open, with enough Vp-p opening to work for the CDR samplers (what number that means I can estimate in a few days)" eye, while only needing to tune the bias currents to adapt between the various realistic input eyes?
If the 2-stage version with like 7 bias currents (DC offset cancellation strength applied to I guess a cascode input stage that exploits the low impedance to recover some initial sensible signal amplitude for the subsequent CTLE activity; 2 second-order cells w/active-negative-feedback that work to first calmly then forcefully spread the eye open by delivering peaky gain with flatness towards DC) would be "manageable" for you approaches to that task, we could hope for the preparations on my side for that being done in 10~15 days...
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## message-1527005617364009020
**2026-07-15T17:35:09.572+00:00 — namibj**
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Exactly.
They also adjusted the error counter fault state trigger thresholds to maintain some nominal time constant for trip speed of sorts, but other than this error monitoring/fault state adjustment, and probably fine details on the nominal eye shapes, it's literally half-rate 10GBASE-R.
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## message-1527006607245049936
**2026-07-15T17:39:05.578+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah I don't know of any decent COTS switches that speak it.
I feel it only exists for 5GBASE-T SFP+ modules or maybe SFP+ option on something that is not supposed to be 10G PHY capable for arbitrary reason but wants to use 5GBASE-T for some forsaken reason of those two applying together... Like no one can use it so just do 10GBASE-R and throw pause packets at the far end when your small packet buffer gets full...
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## message-1527009747512070318
**2026-07-15T17:51:34.276+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I don't have any easy way to work with spice models. if i can get s-parameters i can use those
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## message-1527037754205147217
**2026-07-15T19:42:51.592+00:00 — namibj**
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Behavior is non-linear; how would you handle a DFE?
I think I could set it up to have you feed a time-series in, possibly parametric, possibly subjected to parametric distortion, and produce the gradient of the output waveform with respect to the parameters?
Gradient-free output from SPICE would of course be trivial but I'd guess it might be substantially less powerful.
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## message-1527038777196019872
**2026-07-15T19:46:55.492+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I mean you could probably build something as a dedicated filter block
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## message-1527038856338342129
**2026-07-15T19:47:14.361+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but the existing channel emulation block just works with s-parameters
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## message-1527039151395045558
**2026-07-15T19:48:24.708+00:00 — namibj**
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(I'm thinking have the cascode (common-gate) input stage be DC current biased through the output load of it and at the source side sink into the 50 Ohm input termination resistor, while matching/compensating the input capacitance of the cascode with an input series inductor.)....
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**2026-07-15T19:48:48.331+00:00 — azonenberg**
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in general ngscopeclient is not really a circuit simulator it works with waveform data
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**2026-07-15T19:49:00.106+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it assumes you have a waveform plugged into an ideal termination and then do something to it
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## message-1527039361806503986
**2026-07-15T19:49:14.874+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so like, you can add emphasis or equalization from a simple tap model or something
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## message-1527042645472575700
**2026-07-15T20:02:17.761+00:00 — namibj**
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Ok so the idea was that I could relatively straight forward adapt the recently tuned 10 Gbit/s limiting amplifier cell I wanted to use to boost the drive of the MUX to 50 Ohm output strength levels; add an impedance matching input stage dual-acting to handle DC offset cancellation (I.e., drop the low frequency gain towards zero); figure out how to present a representative load to the output that loads the CTLE stage's output like a CDR sampler would; then give that to you.
So that you can use whatever approaches you would normally apply for figuring out whichever tuning dial settings of a CT"L"E properly open the eye after a simulated channel.
Then you'd loop that thing to force progressively worse channels onto it, tuning the SPICE model's tunables/synthesis-instantiation-arguments to let it keep up with the worsening channels, while still always checking that the less-bad channels don't end up exceeding the input amplitude "linear" range (despite attempting to adjust the run-time-dials (bias currents) to get the equalizer "back" to acceptable emphasis, considering that we're expecting the circuit to become suited for more and more peaking and a gain).
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## message-1527043883849093133
**2026-07-15T20:07:13.013+00:00 — vpro**
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Haha, this is super cool. Makes sense, we did some characterization work in labs and classes, so this seems like it would make sense with regards to having fixed designs with certain curves to fit
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## message-1527043962609729556
**2026-07-15T20:07:31.791+00:00 — vpro**
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I'll definitely take some time to read up on this though, I can't say I fully understood everything
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## message-1527044117325156422
**2026-07-15T20:08:08.678+00:00 — vpro**
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Let's do it! I'm pretty green with SerDes design, but would like to help in any capacity I can.
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## message-1527044125386604588
**2026-07-15T20:08:10.6+00:00 — namibj**
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If this CT"L"E was Verilog instead of spice, how would you search for instantiation arguments that allow the run-time-tunable registers to cover the entire range of expected channels (open the eye enough for the slicer to maintain negligible BER), starting off with conservative instantiation arguments that are incapable of providing substantial gain or peaking, but are sufficiently obvious to come up with by hand, forcing it to handle worse and worse channels as the instantiation arguments become better?
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**2026-07-15T20:09:13.548+00:00 — vpro**
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For simulation, isn't this somewhat of a "closed" problem with the prevalence of the IBIS-AMI spec?
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**2026-07-15T20:10:58.743+00:00 — vpro**
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Something I wanted to build to help folks onboard onto playing around with SerDes modules (through simulation), is essentially designing a harness to allow verilator C++ to be linked to the dlls that AMI would consume to define the "algorithm" portion of simulation
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**2026-07-15T20:11:29.359+00:00 — vpro**
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Unsure if I'm missing something / making some misguided assumptions
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**2026-07-15T20:11:53.904+00:00 — vpro**
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https://github.com/WXY163/ezAMI was looking at this work (and the associated paper) as inspiration
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## message-1527046034977587305
**2026-07-15T20:15:45.882+00:00 — namibj**
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Well so my case is not verilog.
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## message-1527046099532120064
**2026-07-15T20:16:01.273+00:00 — vpro**
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I assume some analog blocks?
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## message-1527046497839874260
**2026-07-15T20:17:36.237+00:00 — namibj**
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It's a spice subcircuit parametrized by a bunch of synthesis-time adjustables, which it then turns into underlying spice model instance parameters with the built in expression support of the SPICE engine.
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**2026-07-15T20:17:51.229+00:00 — vpro**
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realistically it seems like you can pipe any function into the spec for the Init or GetWave, and still reap the benefits. At some point you have to wonder if there is any merit to using the spec as opposed to simply creating a bespoke simulator
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## message-1527046635098476555
**2026-07-15T20:18:08.962+00:00 — vpro**
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but it should be plenty useful if you could model the eqns in C++ and just link it into some AMI model
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## message-1527047000913219594
**2026-07-15T20:19:36.179+00:00 — namibj**
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There's also the mentioned about 7 bias currents it takes that in a tapeout are adjusted by suitably configured DACs. (Like, think number of bits, offset, amplitude of LSB.)
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## message-1527047478346645747
**2026-07-15T20:21:30.008+00:00 — vpro**
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makes sense, afaik there's a reason why the industry tended away from doing pure spice simulations of the whole SerDes module. Though, I'm curious what your intended goal is and what software doesn't exist to simulate it?
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**2026-07-15T20:23:18.036+00:00 — namibj**
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The goal is to start with hand picked synthesis parameters that give behavior closer to a unity gain buffer than a wide range adjustable variable-gain-amplifier/CT"L"E combo, and maybe also give a set of bias currents that make it behave like that unity-ish-gain buffer so the optimizer can rely on some trust-region search algorithm to not get lost in non-functional regions of the parameter space.
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## message-1527048450330591373
**2026-07-15T20:25:21.747+00:00 — namibj**
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It's not for the full SerDes we're just trying to find a tuple of the about 20~30 transistor sizing parameters which instantiated a CT"L"E that can be run-time-tuned from a good channel all the way to a mildly-shitty channel.
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## message-1527048773061050540
**2026-07-15T20:26:38.692+00:00 — vpro**
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I see. Why not just use QSpice or Xyce or something to simulate and design it? Or is this just like a "this is what we have to do, but haven't done yet", kinda thing
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## message-1527048883321180232
**2026-07-15T20:27:04.98+00:00 — namibj**
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The difficulty for me is that I don't know how I should ideally do the tuning of the bias currents for various channels to verify that it will be capable of tuning to all those channels when taped out.
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## message-1527049847562309845
**2026-07-15T20:30:54.873+00:00 — namibj**
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I guess an idea would be to have a set of representative channels and keep the bias currents needed for each one updated as the parameter tuning goes on, enforcing boundaries on the searched space by banning movement in parameter space that would force any of the already tunable channels's bias currents to get out-of-legal-range?
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## message-1527050034569543830
**2026-07-15T20:31:39.459+00:00 — namibj**
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Then it's "just" a question of how to properly express the ability to eye open in the Xyce run?
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## message-1527050178773647400
**2026-07-15T20:32:13.84+00:00 — vpro**
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I think you need "the rest of the owl" at some point, or to design some heuristic which provides a similar amount of confidence
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## message-1527050360722559057
**2026-07-15T20:32:57.22+00:00 — vpro**
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this is kind of why I think folks use Matlab to export models of "whole serdes", and then just poke around with the parameters to solve and isolate for values (biases in your case) that they care about
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**2026-07-15T20:33:34.682+00:00 — vpro**
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I'm not too sure, I probably need to look into this a lot more and start breaking things before I can give definitive answers
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## message-1527051077843943634
**2026-07-15T20:35:48.195+00:00 — vpro**
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if you're designing a CT"L"E, maybe it does actually make sense to port over some compiled C++ that fits into the Algorithm portion of an AMI. The AMI will give you the simulation harness to see the eye and test the "whole system" in operation, whereas you can write the code which updates the logic based on the spice subcircuits you defined
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## message-1527051557894492341
**2026-07-15T20:37:42.648+00:00 — namibj**
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If you could express that eye opening aspect in transient mode Xyce I think it should be fairly straight forward to use it's `.SENS` to compute gradients of the bias current choices w.r.t. the resulting output eye (locally for each channel that's already open), and for-subsequent-aggregated-summing the gradients of the instantiation parameters which are shared across all tested channels and therefore have to be basically just added up (iirc differentiation rules correctly) over those channels, to get the global shared desire of how the parameters should evolve to enable better eyes.
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## message-1527052235740287047
**2026-07-15T20:40:24.259+00:00 — namibj**
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Well it's wired like a plain active CTLE (gain-peaking linear amplifier), it just has an ability to somewhat deliberately clip it's output amplitude by essentially having too much gain for the voltage supply/bias conditions of the output to possibly remain linear.
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## message-1527052718588559505
**2026-07-15T20:42:19.379+00:00 — namibj**
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(I've noticed the limiting amplifier gain cell I've already mostly tuned to exhibit notable run-time-adjustable amounts of gain-peaking and overall/low-frequency gain, which AFAIK is basically what one wants from a CTLE anyways?)
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## message-1527055312581034035
**2026-07-15T20:52:37.835+00:00 — namibj**
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Because I have not yet figured out how to measure the eye quality in a way where I could hope to get useful gradients from Xyce, which I btw. low key need to get _anywhere_ without days of compute trying to explore a 10~30 dimensional (even if reasonably compressing it by rotating the vector space until only a few dimensions still experience substantial changes during the optimization) search space of transistor sizing, and let's not forget that we constantly have to keep the run time tunables updated for all channels that we already solved so that we'll notice if it ever tries to sacrifice the ability to read a good channel to learn how to (better) understand the newest shitty channel.
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## message-1527055569897390140
**2026-07-15T20:53:39.184+00:00 — namibj**
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Clear enough what this upcoming CT"L"E optimization/search is supposed to accomplish?
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## message-1527118379390079048
**2026-07-16T01:03:14.134+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Morning everyone, it looks like ya'all broke https://platform.wafer.space overnight?
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## message-1527118761843232960
**2026-07-16T01:04:45.318+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Nope, it just looks like the admin interface is slow.
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## message-1527137283310882836
**2026-07-16T02:18:21.18+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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We are innocent 👼 🥳
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## message-1527239331243364413
**2026-07-16T09:03:51.303+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
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is this a smol risc i see?
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## message-1527240422781354085
**2026-07-16T09:08:11.546+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
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- Author ID: `1161210755169919007`
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(this MIGHT be my first ever submission)
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## message-1527256895386157127
**2026-07-16T10:13:38.921+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
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repo for my cpu if anyone wants: https://github.com/SUD0NET/as16
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## message-1527446433899483330
**2026-07-16T22:46:48.424+00:00 — kcolley**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1527489439834837133
**2026-07-17T01:37:41.838+00:00 — DuanLC (@duanlc)**
- Message ID: `1527489439834837133`
- Author ID: `220469358823079936`
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Hi everyone! Since GF180MCU Run 2 is already over, is there an estimated timeline or tentative schedule for GF180MCU Run 3? Thanks!
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## message-1527491042713014433
**2026-07-17T01:44:03.994+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
- Message ID: `1527491042713014433`
- Author ID: `1161210755169919007`
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- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2026-07-17T01:44:57.928+00:00
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based on the mpw schedule, the next gf180mcu shuttle after run 2 will be taped out in January 2027
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## message-1527491185457758218
**2026-07-17T01:44:38.027+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
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so i presume it will be some time during q4 2026
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## message-1527491277648691251
**2026-07-17T01:45:00.007+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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Is there an xschem symbol library available for the gf180mcu standard cells?
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## message-1527491489821753504
**2026-07-17T01:45:50.593+00:00 — DuanLC (@duanlc)**
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Thank you!
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## message-1527505603616833596
**2026-07-17T02:41:55.584+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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It is likely that Run #3 will open on 1st August with the final submission date around mid-December.
If that run is a success then it is likely we will move to doing a run per quarter in 2027.
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## message-1527541952319459490
**2026-07-17T05:06:21.79+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1527541952319459490`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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FWIW - We delivered the GDS for Run #2 to GlobalFoundries today.
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## message-1527561323477602357
**2026-07-17T06:23:20.234+00:00 — urish**
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## message-1527573213671067708
**2026-07-17T07:10:35.077+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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Does anyone know how "principled" the PEX extraction is inside magic / klayout? Which should I use? I have drawn some manual tap cells instead of using the guard rings to save space, and want to be sure these are somewhat realistically modelled in simulation...
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## message-1527692936605864088
**2026-07-17T15:06:19.249+00:00 — Nino_Y (@ytrizaxgd)**
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Did you view this image using klayout? It looks great
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## message-1527818378599862443
**2026-07-17T23:24:46.951+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
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## message-1527830633500508362
**2026-07-18T00:13:28.747+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1527846820968005744
**2026-07-18T01:17:48.14+00:00 — vpro**
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yeah this makes a lot of sense, I'm going to read up more on what current simulation tools / metrics exist. I'll ask around at school too
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## message-1528153146378027139
**2026-07-18T21:35:01.809+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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Silly question - has anyone done a rom generator?
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## message-1528277198065373376
**2026-07-19T05:47:58.036+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
- Message ID: `1528277198065373376`
- Author ID: `709384666909507634`
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No, as far as I'm aware. I've done an efuse array generator, but not a regular ROM. There is no much reason to implement a ROM generator for gf180mcu, because Librelane-implemented ROM would usually be smaller and faster than classic VIA-programnable ROM array, and there is no option to patch only a VIA mask with wafer.space.
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## message-1528307350790733886
**2026-07-19T07:47:47.006+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Sylvain is working on a ROM compiler. See:
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- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_K0H7tIKok
It has already been silicon-verified on sky130.
At some point, it may be ported to gf180mcu.
I do think that a ROM compiler would be very useful as it should be denser much more predictable than just a standard-cell ROM: you can swap out the data late in the design process and the size and timing will stay the same.
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## message-1528320506267303949
**2026-07-19T08:40:03.516+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1528429799675003071
**2026-07-19T15:54:21.095+00:00 — Ethan Mahintorabi (@ethanmahintorabi)**
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Just wanted to quickly share that Google joined The OpenROAD Initiative board. The charity is now the owner of the OpenROAD repo and ensures that no one company has sole control over the repo or direction of the project.
https://openroadinitiative.org/google-joins-ori/
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## message-1528639673503711244
**2026-07-20T05:48:18.915+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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https://www.ihp-microelectronics.com/news/detail/ihp-releases-first-open-source-assembly-design-kit seems pretty cool.
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## message-1528716254267965562
**2026-07-20T10:52:37.192+00:00 — namibj**
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@Essen any plans on timeline for continuing work on the _muxed e-test?_
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## message-1528754694963462258
**2026-07-20T13:25:22.168+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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How about we sit down and chat about it via voice early next week. I will let the specific time up to you, just dm me.
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## message-1528787413881590011
**2026-07-20T15:35:22.966+00:00 — namibj**
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Sure.
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## message-1528884762540773528
**2026-07-20T22:02:12.695+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1528884762540773528`
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I'll be speaking at COSCUP in Taiwan in a few weeks about wafer.space - https://coscup.org/2026/session/CV8FKG/
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## message-1529213192016891965
**2026-07-21T19:47:16.384+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1529213192016891965`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1529213192016891965
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Hmm, so, I've done some more thinking and reading (e.g. https://downloads.graniteriverlabs.com/hubfs/Presentation-and-Publication/PCIe_EQ_and_Optimization_Fulldeck-FINAL.pdf ), and well, I think I could get Xyce to produce a sufficiently dense grid of S-parameter tables if the concrete frequencies of concern are known, including probably first-order gradients of those S-parameters w.r.t. the sweep-tunables; that's for each block in the CTLE setup, i.e., the resistive loads, and the differential pairs on their tail current sources; approximating reasonably representative bias-to-substrate voltages.
@azonenberg
If I thus can provide the (probably 2, I think: diff pair & resistive load) blocks as interpolatable (||if needed with interpolator and/or Xyce script to generate fresh on-the-fly to runtime requested exact values||) S-parameter specs (Touchstone?), and a nominal connection topology for how they assemble into the CTLE, would that suffice to let the equalizer tuning scripts (or whatever exists) figure out if they can _even just under nominal conditions_ be assembled and then biased into a CTLE that's powerful enough to give a usably-open eye as part of a 10GBASE-SR "serdes in the receive path?
```
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## message-1529214508063523037
**2026-07-21T19:52:30.154+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1529214508063523037`
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(Tim Edwards's project proposal deadlines for the first of the iiuc 6 planned chips would want us to figure out if 10GBASE-R reception from (ideally spec-compliant (worst the spec still allows), but at least practically realistically degraded) non-retimed signals could (with enough praying, at least, to the dieties of PVT robustness) work out on all 3 targeted PDK's, without _needing_ to drag in DFEs.)
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## message-1529216509988175984
**2026-07-21T20:00:27.45+00:00 — azonenberg**
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for my own flows, there's no "equalizer tuning scripts". I can simulate a PRBS with various impairments and channel models through an s-parameter model of the various equalizer blocks
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## message-1529216591114272870
**2026-07-21T20:00:46.792+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1529216591114272870`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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but you have to decide manually how to combine them, and there's not like a trivial pass/fail at the output
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## message-1529216644856152147
**2026-07-21T20:00:59.605+00:00 — azonenberg**
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you need to define an eye mask for what your receiver can tolerate after equalization and i can check BER
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## message-1529217512464716042
**2026-07-21T20:04:26.459+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh yeah I have like 2 or 3 topologies that I'd consider relevant to explore/check "for starters"; what I don't have is any good idea with what tuning knob values to instantiate the blocks (those translate to transistor sizing and biasing conditions). I can create an overview and a script that feeds particular values into Xyce and spits out the exact corresponding Touchstone file; but I don't really know how to actually fiddle them until they start to sufficiently approximate a useful CTLE response.
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## message-1529217618760958107
**2026-07-21T20:04:51.802+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i mean if you are able to just plot the s-parameters i can look at them to get a starting idea
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## message-1529218115110441080
**2026-07-21T20:06:50.141+00:00 — namibj**
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I'd start with 0.1 UI and 10% of peak amplitude, I know that's aggressive but if it can't equalize for such an IMO tolerant slicer, I don't think it'd work out without involving a DFE.
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## message-1529218253644103843
**2026-07-21T20:07:23.17+00:00 — namibj**
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plot how?
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**2026-07-21T20:08:01.171+00:00 — namibj**
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(I'm trying to understand today; and have a productive day at my desk and _only_ my desk (no travel!!!) tomorrow to implement that.)
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## message-1529218534247235866
**2026-07-21T20:08:30.071+00:00 — azonenberg**
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just S21 log mag vs frequency
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## message-1529218600685015191
**2026-07-21T20:08:45.911+00:00 — azonenberg**
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ngscopeclient or any of a ton of other tools can just display this
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## message-1529218625318289489
**2026-07-21T20:08:51.784+00:00 — azonenberg**
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off the s2p
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**2026-07-21T20:09:18.915+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and then probably also time domain step response is good to have to look for any weird phase nonlinearities
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## message-1529218879698636901
**2026-07-21T20:09:52.433+00:00 — namibj**
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Note that the naive S-parameters will be horribly unmatched-impedance because these are not blocks with transmission line ports, these are blocks with discrete (probably usually aluminium, iirc the PDKs) wires of a few 10's of um's length.
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## message-1529219344360542238
**2026-07-21T20:11:43.217+00:00 — azonenberg**
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what about your input buffer?
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## message-1529219395308748840
**2026-07-21T20:11:55.364+00:00 — namibj**
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We're gonna drive them all nice in the region they act linear for comfy CTLE action; they will eventually behave as a limiting amplifier depending on how the knobs were tuned at least, but I'm relegating that behavior to a stage after the CTLE because AFAIK your simulation setup is _not_ accustomed to dealing with translinear blocks.
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## message-1529219410345070652
**2026-07-21T20:11:58.949+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i assume you're buffering the input before it goes into the equalizer?
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**2026-07-21T20:12:08.713+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and yeah i can't easily model anything nonlinear
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**2026-07-21T20:13:13.758+00:00 — namibj**
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We can dream up a T-coil via the power of imagination (and remembering that inductor Q over 5 will be questionable) to deal with that issue.
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## message-1529220046109278408
**2026-07-21T20:14:30.527+00:00 — namibj**
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(Ok I make another "block" that's a common-gate diff pair which should allow nicer matching there.)
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**2026-07-21T20:16:06.401+00:00 — namibj**
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ideally not really, given it's an active one (I was figuring for starters to use the second-order gain cell with it's integrated active negative feedback, as it looked to exhibit a nice peaking response).
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## message-1529221233881649183
**2026-07-21T20:19:13.714+00:00 — namibj**
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**2026-07-21T20:19:28.495+00:00 — namibj**
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1.78 simulated fan-out
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**2026-07-21T20:20:25.548+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1529221538212220978
**2026-07-21T20:20:26.272+00:00 — namibj**
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still that fan out, and the knob for the negative feedback adjusted
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## message-1529222048755220551
**2026-07-21T20:22:27.995+00:00 — namibj**
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blue is continuos phase in degrees, orange is group delay in 10's of ps, red is db voltage gain.
All differential mode only; that's for one unit of "2nd order gain cell"; that's not in any special way tuned for CTLE targeted behavior.
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## message-1529222651942539314
**2026-07-21T20:24:51.806+00:00 — namibj**
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@azonenberg do those plots I had around give you _some_ idea already?
Particularly towards maybe what deformations you'd want to see me do to the plot's shape, for the regions I'd run/sample you responses over?
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## message-1529223020986761417
**2026-07-21T20:26:19.793+00:00 — namibj**
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(that testbench has it sitting sandwiched between identical cells; it's representing behavior in a clock buffer or pre-driver that'll deliberately operate in mildly-limiting-amplifier conditions to keep amplitudes stable)
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## message-1529226638154535013
**2026-07-21T20:40:42.193+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Those look plausible at a glance. If you get me a s2p i can try to apply it to some signals through various lossy channels
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## message-1529226710342701096
**2026-07-21T20:40:59.404+00:00 — azonenberg**
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this is targeting 10.3125 Gbps I assume
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## message-1529228332640768212
**2026-07-21T20:47:26.19+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah
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## message-1529228848774905958
**2026-07-21T20:49:29.246+00:00 — namibj**
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I'll get you a bunch of s2p's tomorrow; just give me some ideas on what frequencies to ask the calculator for (to include in it) and what shape changes approximately to look for/around/about in the process.
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## message-1529229121807192258
**2026-07-21T20:50:34.342+00:00 — namibj**
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(I'm not able to give you actual quality I'm confident won't be buggy before I get sleep.)
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## message-1529229449260826634
**2026-07-21T20:51:52.413+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I don't have a good idea of specific poles/zeroes to target or anything, that bit isn't my expertise
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## message-1529229499869429871
**2026-07-21T20:52:04.479+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but i can vna some real channels and see what a waveform looks like through it plus your equalizer
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## message-1529229787149635728
**2026-07-21T20:53:12.972+00:00 — azonenberg**
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as a data point for a plausible "probably longer than you would have to deal with" channel
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## message-1529229839297544262
**2026-07-21T20:53:25.405+00:00 — namibj**
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If you have Xyce/can run that, I can probably make you a convenient script that spits out an s2p when provided with knob values, or (at your preference) takes a csv or json or (choose before I wake up) of knob values to batch-produce s2p's from.
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## message-1529229866669576312
**2026-07-21T20:53:31.931+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(i do not currently)
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## message-1529230041265733825
**2026-07-21T20:54:13.558+00:00 — azonenberg**
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300mm of Shengyi S1000-2M outer layer differential microstrip with soldermask is -2.9 dB at 2 GHz, -5.5 dB at 4 GHz, -8.3 dB at 6 GHz, -12 dB at 8 GHz
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## message-1529230331230552226
**2026-07-21T20:55:22.691+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so your ~7 dB of peaking would nicely cancel most of that out
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## message-1529230525817159830
**2026-07-21T20:56:09.084+00:00 — namibj**
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oh, hmm, fair.
(Your package manger might have it; AUR does at least.)
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## message-1529230732143231097
**2026-07-21T20:56:58.276+00:00 — azonenberg**
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well right now i dont have the time to learn another tool while doing 300 other things :p
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## message-1529230755602108506
**2026-07-21T20:57:03.869+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it's on the list but not a today thing
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## message-1529231317764542614
**2026-07-21T20:59:17.899+00:00 — namibj**
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If you'd happen to have model(s) for SFP+ results (not actually close to modal dispersion limits of multimode fiber or noise/signal strength margins for long range single mode fiber; I'm thinking "across the room"/"from the lab to the server closet down the hall" levels of "using up" the fiber distance allowance of an SR optic), that'd be likely more practically relevant than 30cm no connectors of differential microstrip 🙁
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## message-1529232427522850987
**2026-07-21T21:03:42.486+00:00 — azonenberg**
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well actually, it is. because SFPs have limiting amplifiers in them
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## message-1529232496959688894
**2026-07-21T21:03:59.041+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Some even have retimers
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## message-1529232560427630804
**2026-07-21T21:04:14.173+00:00 — azonenberg**
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The quality of the eye coming out of the optic, other than perhaps a slight increase in jitter, doesn't really get worse with a longer fiber
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## message-1529232562793353327
**2026-07-21T21:04:14.737+00:00 — namibj**
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oh I wasn't trying to have you learn it; I was gonna (by your choice of whether batch or not) package the invocation with the netlist that generated the above and the PDK device model library, and give that instead of pre-generating a thousand touchstone files that suffer under curse of dimensionality.
Though I guess there's only a limited number of actual degrees of freedom for that general kind of 2nd order response?
If you'd happen to know how many parameters there should actually be/remain, I could see to work on reparametrizing/rebasing that parameter space to not expose the "redundant" parameters.
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## message-1529232593290264657
**2026-07-21T21:04:22.008+00:00 — azonenberg**
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It's the path from the optic to the asic that matters
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## message-1529232648508018708
**2026-07-21T21:04:35.173+00:00 — namibj**
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these types shouldn't have retimers afaik
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## message-1529232689180311812
**2026-07-21T21:04:44.87+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yes, typically 25G is when you start seeing that iirc
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**2026-07-21T21:04:47.315+00:00 — azonenberg**
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10G normally does not
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**2026-07-21T21:04:51.29+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but 10/25G dual mode might
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**2026-07-21T21:05:30.806+00:00 — azonenberg**
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anyway, I have an actual test fixture with a pair of back to back SFPs connected through 6 dB passive splitters
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## message-1529232915064557699
**2026-07-21T21:05:38.725+00:00 — azonenberg**
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with one half looped back to the other optic and the other out to SMAs
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## message-1529232925533667348
**2026-07-21T21:05:41.221+00:00 — namibj**
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hmm yeah right I forgot they specially make linear ones for use with fancy DSP PHYs that fix the fiber's modal dispersion in post, to squeeze more speed out of legacy multimode cable plants.
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## message-1529232956835762296
**2026-07-21T21:05:48.684+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yes that's 10Gbase-LRM
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**2026-07-21T21:05:51.577+00:00 — azonenberg**
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We would not be targeting those
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**2026-07-21T21:06:02.848+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah I don't think they'd help here 😄
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**2026-07-21T21:06:15.583+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(although i did consider getting some for use in e.g. DIY OTDR applications)
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**2026-07-21T21:06:30.279+00:00 — namibj**
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👀
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## message-1529233185471201283
**2026-07-21T21:06:43.195+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Anyway so with that fixture i can do a simple linear scaling of 2:1 and get a reasonably close approximation of the signal coming out of the optic, ignoring insertino loss of the feedlines which are fairly short
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**2026-07-21T21:06:58.358+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(i plan to make a second gen fixture in the future that has a 2x thru so you can de-embed the feedlines)
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**2026-07-21T21:07:20.564+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Longest fiber i have sitting around off the top of my head unused is 30m but i have a couple
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**2026-07-21T21:07:38.311+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but again, dispersion doesnt show up much on the far side of the optic
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**2026-07-21T21:08:08.713+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I can also just generate PRBSes on the BERT with various equalizer settings and experiment until it barely passes the SFP+ MSA spec
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**2026-07-21T21:08:31.364+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so then we have a worst case eye coming out of the optic, then add a lossy channel between the optic and the ASIC
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**2026-07-21T21:08:33.811+00:00 — azonenberg**
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then your equalizer
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**2026-07-21T21:08:36.944+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and see how it looks
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**2026-07-21T21:08:54.489+00:00 — namibj**
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oh ok, in that case, yeah, the 30cm of PCB is more than what I'd consider reasonable length; assuming at least that the SFP+ connector itself won't cause trouble relatively speaking (I mean this isn't like PAM16 or such sensitive)
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## message-1529233790319464488
**2026-07-21T21:09:07.402+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yeah the connector is pretty negligible but again, i can get you real data
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## message-1529233848062181580
**2026-07-21T21:09:21.169+00:00 — azonenberg**
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besides channel emulation, i have a physical isi channel emulator board
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## message-1529233924474277888
**2026-07-21T21:09:39.387+00:00 — azonenberg**
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with 55, 150, and 300mm channels on it
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## message-1529233968313139432
**2026-07-21T21:09:49.839+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i can hook the real sfp breakout to it
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## message-1529233981168554144
**2026-07-21T21:09:52.904+00:00 — azonenberg**
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then put the scope on the output side
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## message-1529234000667742378
**2026-07-21T21:09:57.553+00:00 — azonenberg**
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de-embed the feedline cables
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## message-1529234021379211475
**2026-07-21T21:10:02.491+00:00 — azonenberg**
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then channel emulate your CTLE
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## message-1529234086655168736
**2026-07-21T21:10:18.054+00:00 — azonenberg**
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This is half the reason i have all this hardware
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## message-1529234194692309052
**2026-07-21T21:10:43.812+00:00 — azonenberg**
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But i'll start out with doing it in sim just because i have a bunch of other stuff wired to the big scope right now that i dont feel like moving
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## message-1529234413991366667
**2026-07-21T21:11:36.097+00:00 — azonenberg**
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in fact, the PRBS31 waveform in the ngscopeclient demo scope is literally an ideal prbs through that 300mm ISI channel
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**2026-07-21T21:11:42.447+00:00 — azonenberg**
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with a bit of AWGN i think added on top
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**2026-07-21T21:11:45.212+00:00 — namibj**
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What matters in the next week-or-two is just getting a reasonable understanding of whether a DFE-free RX of 10GBASE-SR off of an SFP+ under reasonable limitations of the fiber length in play, could give an eye that should be slice-able even on gf180mcuD.
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**2026-07-21T21:12:07.223+00:00 — azonenberg**
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again, fiber length is of no real consequence here
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## message-1529234579884347395
**2026-07-21T21:12:15.649+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it's the PCB channel that will limit performance
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**2026-07-21T21:13:36.154+00:00 — namibj**
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(yeah I just mean I'm not even bothering to include assumptions that push fiber length anywhere near nominal spec limits)
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## message-1529235128717541597
**2026-07-21T21:14:26.501+00:00 — azonenberg**
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## message-1529235178151477249
**2026-07-21T21:14:38.287+00:00 — azonenberg**
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brb let me get you the actual version of that spec
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## message-1529235344103440424
**2026-07-21T21:15:17.853+00:00 — azonenberg**
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```text
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## message-1529235623347621888
**2026-07-21T21:16:24.43+00:00 — namibj**
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does this in return mean that the CTLE response (at least it's frequency peaking nuances) do not need to be tunable if we can mandate the PCB to attenuate in a sufficiently specific way?
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## message-1529235635330748446
**2026-07-21T21:16:27.287+00:00 — azonenberg**
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vertical opening is +/- 95 mV, horizontal +0.12 to +0.88 UI = 0.76 UI worst case for a compliant optic, at the optic pins
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## message-1529235820668653719
**2026-07-21T21:17:11.475+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Ideally there should be a few levels of equalization selectable, but the actual insertion loss of a PCB channel is relatively predictable and just scales with length and dielectric/copper loss at a very high level
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## message-1529235945654718705
**2026-07-21T21:17:41.274+00:00 — azonenberg**
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## message-1529236022183989368
**2026-07-21T21:17:59.52+00:00 — azonenberg**
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sometimes there is a bit more of a downward curve with a sharp initial falloff
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## message-1529236048398258269
**2026-07-21T21:18:05.77+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but this is not atypical for pcb channels
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## message-1529236229730730034
**2026-07-21T21:18:49.003+00:00 — namibj**
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(This isn't aimed at very general purpose mainsteam commercial ASICs anyways, so if it greatly eases at least feasibility checking if not implementation effort of the equalizer, it'd IMO be ok to essentially co-design the PCB channel and the equalizer that has to fix the PCB channel's response.)
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## message-1529236403861328163
**2026-07-21T21:19:30.519+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and a shorter channel would just be a linear scaling of this one's loss
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**2026-07-21T21:19:33.459+00:00 — namibj**
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It's gonna be tunable to some extend; there's 3 bias currents involved in the above plotted gain cell after all.
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## message-1529236435331190966
**2026-07-21T21:19:38.022+00:00 — azonenberg**
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## message-1529236460136566894
**2026-07-21T21:19:43.936+00:00 — azonenberg**
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this is 55, 150, 300mm channels
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**2026-07-21T21:19:54.308+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the 55 has a bit of mismatch at the connector launch it looks causing ripples from reflections
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## message-1529236679574163595
**2026-07-21T21:20:36.254+00:00 — namibj**
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oh so the order of the pre-peaking/low-frequency-roll-off of the peaking action would have direct relationship to the channel length?
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**2026-07-21T21:21:33.842+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i mean in general loss is a function of 1/f with some smaller higher order terms
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**2026-07-21T21:22:06.978+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and the loss per unit length of a transmission line, ignoring reflections and just looking at dielectric/conductor losses, is linear and just scales with the overall length
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**2026-07-21T21:22:33.581+00:00 — azonenberg**
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since your signal is propagating nominally in a linear time invariant fashion and just encountering the same attenuation per unit distance over more distance
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## message-1529237264821915840
**2026-07-21T21:22:55.788+00:00 — namibj**
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I'm assuming you don't by chance have any parametric active filter response around that is shaped anywhere near my plots, and which you could use to estimate what rough shape would be ideal, right?
Is the group delay peaking a problem here btw.?
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**2026-07-21T21:23:18.916+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I have a trivial parametric CTLE that takes in a pole and zero frequency
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**2026-07-21T21:23:36.267+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Ideally you want linear group delay response. I can simulate non-ideal response and see how big a deal it is
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## message-1529237438189408417
**2026-07-21T21:23:37.122+00:00 — namibj**
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no it's exponential in length; it's only linear when you think in decibel.
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## message-1529237573296197694
**2026-07-21T21:24:09.334+00:00 — azonenberg**
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well i'm talking multiplicative loss not additive
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## message-1529237602950054030
**2026-07-21T21:24:16.404+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but yeah, linear dB/unit length
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## message-1529237606603292944
**2026-07-21T21:24:17.275+00:00 — namibj**
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filter order N has x*N dB per decade roll-off
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## message-1529237721799987271
**2026-07-21T21:24:44.74+00:00 — azonenberg**
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anyway for good pulse behavior, you want ideally linear response like a 4th order bessel. but we arent designing test equipment here, it just has to be clean enough to slice
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**2026-07-21T21:24:52.524+00:00 — namibj**
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can you run 2 of those in series easily?
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## message-1529237770780807189
**2026-07-21T21:24:56.418+00:00 — azonenberg**
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until i see an eye i wont be able to say how much you can get away with
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**2026-07-21T21:24:57.346+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yes
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## message-1529237893401546763
**2026-07-21T21:25:25.653+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it just does some trivial math to generate a s-parameter curve then does fft convolution to apply it. iirc that model is an idealized zero group delay filter
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## message-1529237960841494599
**2026-07-21T21:25:41.732+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but if i get touchstone files for a real filter i can do whatever
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## message-1529237967564967966
**2026-07-21T21:25:43.335+00:00 — namibj**
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an eye that suffered the s2p "CTLE" I provided? Or what do you mean?
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## message-1529237991179026563
**2026-07-21T21:25:48.965+00:00 — azonenberg**
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yeah
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## message-1529238161165783054
**2026-07-21T21:26:29.493+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Get me something you have even if its garbage and i'll run it as a demo
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## message-1529238215024709633
**2026-07-21T21:26:42.334+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it takes me 30 seconds to set up
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## message-1529238658505375956
**2026-07-21T21:28:28.068+00:00 — namibj**
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(Can I give you s4p and nominally ground-reference the "ports", exposing the differential input and the differential output as two single ended (referenced to ground) each? Or would that cancel out anyways in a fully differential amplifier structure?)
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## message-1529238729649033216
**2026-07-21T21:28:45.03+00:00 — azonenberg**
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It's easier for me to get just sdd21 as a s2p
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## message-1529239518417522831
**2026-07-21T21:31:53.087+00:00 — namibj**
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I'll do tomorrow I don't think I have the testbench set up for that now and I only ever skimmed the manual on producing touchstone files.
I don't think you mentioned what frequencies I shall ask for to be sampled in the file. I have no particular idea. Everything from like the 2nd/3rd harmonic of baud rate down to like a PRBS-7's period-127 sub-harmonic of baud rate? Feels excessive for checking/understanding....
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## message-1529239685744824420
**2026-07-21T21:32:32.981+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah sure I wasn't sure if it'd actually cancel out the ground reference aspect though, that's why I asked.
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## message-1529239813411180846
**2026-07-21T21:33:03.419+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Ideally for time domain analysis I would get around 5-10 MHz out to the 3rd harmonic of the baud rate but they dont have to be super close, i can interpolate as long as the channel is short enough that the frequency points don't rotate >360 degrees or anything between samples
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## message-1529239925851947190
**2026-07-21T21:33:30.227+00:00 — azonenberg**
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in particular ngscopeclient's channel emulation has trouble if your dataset is missing low frequency data there will be baseline wander
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## message-1529240286499180595
**2026-07-21T21:34:56.212+00:00 — namibj**
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(Because as mentioned, it's not inherently matched to a transmission line, it lives in a circuit, and not unlikely feeds clones of itself that may or may not have mildly different instantiation tunables, to follow the "eye-opening" with some proper limiting-amplification action to blow the opening wide up for the slicer to be "sufficiently easy/obvious" to make work.)
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## message-1529240826809679912
**2026-07-21T21:37:05.032+00:00 — azonenberg**
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ok so the ngscopeclient CTLE block takes parameters for DC gain, max gain (it clips at this level), two poles, and one zero
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## message-1529240921068015887
**2026-07-21T21:37:27.505+00:00 — namibj**
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I mean I AFAIK get continuos phase though not sure if that's the case for touchstone output files as well.
Just ask for the points per decade I guess that'll be easy to tell Xyce and get results. I'd go 3 to 30 GHz? Or do you need it aligned to baud rate? Or uneven sampling density across decades?
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## message-1529241128497578166
**2026-07-21T21:38:16.96+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I'm going to end up interpolating the sample data between points to match the number of FFT bins
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## message-1529241183337840933
**2026-07-21T21:38:30.035+00:00 — azonenberg**
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So I just need enough data the resampling is valid
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## message-1529241202132648067
**2026-07-21T21:38:34.516+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I'd stop at 16 GHz
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**2026-07-21T21:39:00.065+00:00 — azonenberg**
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10.3125 GHz / 2 = 5.15625 GHz fundamental, 10.3125 2nd harmonic, 15.46875 GHz 3rd harmonic
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## message-1529241334442098860
**2026-07-21T21:39:06.061+00:00 — azonenberg**
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conveniently matching the 16 GHz BW of my big scope
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**2026-07-21T21:39:19.194+00:00 — azonenberg**
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on the low end if you can go down to like 10 MHz that would be great
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**2026-07-21T21:39:32.929+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i've done tests with EM solver sims cutting off at 100 MHz and i had low frequency artifacts in time domain sim
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## message-1529241729188892843
**2026-07-21T21:40:40.176+00:00 — namibj**
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(ngl, I have yet to really wrap my head around the concept of "poles" and "zeroes"...)
(If I happen to see what kind of filter response for that kind of filter order/pattern would be ideal to open the eye, I could look at it and see to tweak it to match better?)
(Do you happen to have a no-RX-EQ-at-all eye for a realistically achievable (not excessively long just to show that'll still be compensated by the CTLE incarnation) channel for this kind of task?)
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**2026-07-21T21:41:47.787+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i dont have the intuition either i just plugged in the numbers so other people could use it :p
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## message-1529242160711336027
**2026-07-21T21:42:23.059+00:00 — namibj**
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can we for convenience just round that to an exact 10 GHz until we start to deal with post-layout-simulations? I don't think it'll be worth the effort of dragging those decimals around all the time for pre-layout circuit simulations 😄
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## message-1529242256052195439
**2026-07-21T21:42:45.79+00:00 — azonenberg**
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yeah i'm just used to specifying exactly because the pll wont lock if you try to do 10.00 lol
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## message-1529242389485457509
**2026-07-21T21:43:17.603+00:00 — namibj**
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lol yeah they and their LC PLL's
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## message-1529242611087577300
**2026-07-21T21:44:10.437+00:00 — namibj**
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(I don't have enough precision over inductor physics to trust that, and I don't need that fast a clock for this to "work", so I'm not gonna risk that.)
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## message-1529242986129395833
**2026-07-21T21:45:39.854+00:00 — namibj**
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Got an eye or two to look at for what the equalizer would have to fix, for a realistically short amount of PCB starting from a sufficiently realistic SFP+'s TIA/redriver eye?
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## message-1529243036502982849
**2026-07-21T21:45:51.864+00:00 — azonenberg**
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yeah gimme a sec i'm building some tests
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## message-1529243072645304350
**2026-07-21T21:46:00.481+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah no rush
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## message-1529245553089843240
**2026-07-21T21:55:51.865+00:00 — namibj**
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frankly I'm not gonna care about BER for that link as long as it'll work (well, with packet loss of under like 20% I'd say to not mandate exotic TCP tuning to make up for it); but ethernet is very not plug&play when your links are not symmetric 😄
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## message-1529245714415226910
**2026-07-21T21:56:30.328+00:00 — namibj**
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(and things like TCP kinda break when there's no even-somewhat-decent return channel available)
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## message-1529247590384795749
**2026-07-21T22:03:57.594+00:00 — azonenberg**
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```text
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## message-1529247681333952697
**2026-07-21T22:04:19.278+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so here's an example of that 300mm fr4 channel with a fairly clean input signal going into it
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## message-1529247735503392949
**2026-07-21T22:04:32.193+00:00 — azonenberg**
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top eye is no eq, bottom is with the CTLE parameters in the right side
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## message-1529247878898258051
**2026-07-21T22:05:06.381+00:00 — azonenberg**
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passing the sfp+ MSA eye mask for the receiver (+/- 0.15 UI, +/- 150 mV
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## message-1529247944002375740
**2026-07-21T22:05:21.903+00:00 — azonenberg**
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we can of course substitute the mask for your slicer
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## message-1529247973429477388
**2026-07-21T22:05:28.919+00:00 — azonenberg**
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if you're able to calculate that
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## message-1529249863915671663
**2026-07-21T22:12:59.646+00:00 — namibj**
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I wish.
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## message-1529250040835473529
**2026-07-21T22:13:41.827+00:00 — namibj**
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much cleaner than what the MSA requires?
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## message-1529250215402668203
**2026-07-21T22:14:23.447+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the mask i'm showing up top is the transmitter mask, which it fails. It would probably pass the receiver mask although i didn't check
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## message-1529250235229147206
**2026-07-21T22:14:28.174+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the bottom plot is showing the rx mask
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## message-1529250904002396301
**2026-07-21T22:17:07.622+00:00 — namibj**
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Because with eyes like that it makes me wonder whether on a porcess less slow than gf180mcuD, 25GBASE-CR-S (the one without the Rees-Solomon) would be up for grabs with a tuned CTLE and overclocking the serdes relative to that gf180mcuD "speed"....
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## message-1529251213181325332
**2026-07-21T22:18:21.336+00:00 — namibj**
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but that transmitter mask happens at launch end of the 300mm?
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## message-1529251403606921286
**2026-07-21T22:19:06.737+00:00 — namibj**
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Does the ngscopeclient tool have an ability to "do your worst" from the TX eye specification, or is that infeasible/future-wish-list?
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## message-1529251789109727322
**2026-07-21T22:20:38.648+00:00 — namibj**
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"assume the worst optic from the worst optical feed that still pass spec, feeding into this 300mm PCB trace leading to the ASIC: try to break the receive eye with that given channel and how the launch eye is defined".... or something.
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## message-1529251969510674703
**2026-07-21T22:21:21.659+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the transmitter mask is at the launch end, yes. the eye i'm showing is at the asic end before and after eq
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## message-1529252019154587790
**2026-07-21T22:21:33.495+00:00 — azonenberg**
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no, that doesnt make a whole lot of sense
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## message-1529253748814119055
**2026-07-21T22:28:25.878+00:00 — namibj**
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if anything I'm at most worried and even then just slightly about the width of the eye, not the hieght.
I'm gonna assume there'll be two slicers in parallel one slicing with nominally positive clock the other with nominally negative clock; both are running on somewhat/somehow peaked clock to approximate pulsed sampling _somehow,_ then let to resolve for about a full UI, before transferring state to an output demux pathway and getting themselves zeroed out in preparation for the next bit.
I'd wager something like 50 mV p-p @ 0.5 UI wide, rectangular opening, to be directly practical to realize on gf180mcuD, at least if done in C4 with an explicit regeneration phase that has a defined end separated from the start of the next bit it shall slice.
(That _is_ technically assuming it employs "sufficient" DC offset mitigation at the slicer, but that efffect should not be a substantial concern I think.)
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## message-1529253866963730514
**2026-07-21T22:28:54.047+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah.
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## message-1529255514301530112
**2026-07-21T22:35:26.803+00:00 — namibj**
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Huh?
Oh, is the channel defined via loss equation and the reciver and transmitter eye are related to each other through that?
I'd have thought that showing acceptable BER even for a pathological source that almost-just-by-technicality meets the specifications that apply to it, would be a reasonable qualification test/check.
And I'm pretty sure there's some inherent differences to what kinds of channel behaviors in particular are marginal for DFE-heavy vs. for FFE-heavy vs. for CTLE-heavy receiver equalization architectures.
Like I'd assume that the 10G-LRM hardware suffers BER penalty in some applications where it wouldn't be expected? Like, due to noise not getting clipped away or so?
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## message-1529255841943916665
**2026-07-21T22:36:44.919+00:00 — azonenberg**
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what i mean is, given an eye mask how would you synthesize a waveform that barely meets it? like piecewise linear physically unrealistic straight line waveforms?
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## message-1529256052611354675
**2026-07-21T22:37:35.146+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and yeah, i dont have a ton of understanding of CTLE dynamics. I grok FFE's much better although those are usually TX side for whatever reason
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## message-1529256096131186729
**2026-07-21T22:37:45.522+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and have never got down and dirty with a DFE
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## message-1529267337017163806
**2026-07-21T23:22:25.558+00:00 — namibj**
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nah, if not explicitly called out, I'd put up some regularizing limits on high frequency PSD.
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## message-1529268211315380287
**2026-07-21T23:25:54.007+00:00 — namibj**
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E.g.:
> 149.5.2.4 Transmitter power spectral density (PSD) and power level
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## message-1529268279300853945
**2026-07-21T23:26:10.216+00:00 — namibj**
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I'd like to particularly point at the _upper_ limit of power spectral density
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## message-1529268342517534781
**2026-07-21T23:26:25.288+00:00 — namibj**
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(2.5G and 5G are PAM2; 10G is PAM4)
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## message-1529268525515018501
**2026-07-21T23:27:08.918+00:00 — azonenberg**
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um, what?
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## message-1529268583186698300
**2026-07-21T23:27:22.668+00:00 — azonenberg**
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10GbaseR is NRZ and 10GbaseT is PAM16
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## message-1529268692578336979
**2026-07-21T23:27:48.749+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and afaik 2.5/5G are just downclocked 10G
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## message-1529268741215359056
**2026-07-21T23:28:00.345+00:00 — azonenberg**
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1000baseT is PAM5
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## message-1529268895972589731
**2026-07-21T23:28:37.242+00:00 — namibj**
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capping the power spectral density with steep enough roll-off at least should make physically unrealistic transmissions out-of-spec and thus not a worry, just because a transmit mask has corners.
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## message-1529268979829309601
**2026-07-21T23:28:57.235+00:00 — namibj**
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Clause 149 is 2.5/5/10GBASE-T1
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## message-1529269469245997258
**2026-07-21T23:30:53.921+00:00 — namibj**
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I just used it as an example for how transmit signals are at times specified in a way that would preclude a pathologically chosen transmission that technically just about still meets spec from looking like some non-physical piece wise linear waveform.
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## message-1529269701010653355
**2026-07-21T23:31:49.178+00:00 — namibj**
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AFAIK CTLE's are, while in linear region, literally just linear whatever-order filters.
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## message-1529269888693047306
**2026-07-21T23:32:33.925+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i mean more like i have an intuitive feel for hwo to manipulate pre/post cursor taps to clean up specific forms of distortion
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## message-1529269904904028200
**2026-07-21T23:32:37.79+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i don't have that for a CTLE
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## message-1529269909584875671
**2026-07-21T23:32:38.906+00:00 — namibj**
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(if active, ofc. including active amplification)
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## message-1529270130234626058
**2026-07-21T23:33:31.513+00:00 — namibj**
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ohh, I see
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## message-1529270260669087895
**2026-07-21T23:34:02.611+00:00 — namibj**
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they look easier to look at in the spectral view
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## message-1529270362725154967
**2026-07-21T23:34:26.943+00:00 — azonenberg**
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yeah but in SI (vs RF) I usually find time domain views more intuitive and useful
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## message-1529270365526818847
**2026-07-21T23:34:27.611+00:00 — namibj**
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especially log/db plot, where it's just added
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## message-1529270449173958797
**2026-07-21T23:34:47.554+00:00 — azonenberg**
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like i can't look at a waveform and tell you how many dB off unity gain it is at a given frequency
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## message-1529270481046339714
**2026-07-21T23:34:55.153+00:00 — namibj**
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oh yeah I wasn't trying to suggest that eye margins are in any way obvious from a spectrum
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## message-1529270490638585977
**2026-07-21T23:34:57.44+00:00 — azonenberg**
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or an eye pattern and be like "oh you have to boost the 4-6 GHz range by 2 dB"
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## message-1529270495105519657
**2026-07-21T23:34:58.505+00:00 — azonenberg**
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etc
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## message-1529270581780807834
**2026-07-21T23:35:19.17+00:00 — namibj**
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pretty sure that's literally not in there
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## message-1529270595160903712
**2026-07-21T23:35:22.36+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but with FFE I can intuitively just look at the eye and be like "yeah turn the post cursor up another 20% and that should do it"
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## message-1529270676941181149
**2026-07-21T23:35:41.858+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and sure i dont get the percentage right every time but i know what knob to adjust in what direction and there's not that many of them
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## message-1529270704657137834
**2026-07-21T23:35:48.466+00:00 — namibj**
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unless you'd like internalize the test sequence patterns and those cover the range of relevance.
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## message-1529270829446205621
**2026-07-21T23:36:18.218+00:00 — namibj**
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good thing I won't have that many knobs either for the CTLE.
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## message-1529271228316258305
**2026-07-21T23:37:53.316+00:00 — namibj**
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Your thing, you said it does FFT things; could it dump a waveform at a place in the pipeline, throw it at a wrapper script, and continue with what that produced?
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## message-1529271501562318888
**2026-07-21T23:38:58.463+00:00 — azonenberg**
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every filter block in ngscopeclient outputs a waveform (or scalar, or digital waveform, or whatever)
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## message-1529271531967086723
**2026-07-21T23:39:05.712+00:00 — namibj**
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(How many UI's long of a pattern would we realistically need for this to sufficciently understand the circuit's limited linearity/limiting/clipping behaviors?)
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## message-1529271579584762106
**2026-07-21T23:39:17.065+00:00 — azonenberg**
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there is currently not a way to hook out to external scripts
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## message-1529271625189687406
**2026-07-21T23:39:27.938+00:00 — namibj**
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oh
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## message-1529271691660890353
**2026-07-21T23:39:43.786+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1529271691660890353`
- Author ID: `812217062567051294`
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but you can dump waveforms to a file, call the script, then adjust settings manually
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## message-1529271706936541315
**2026-07-21T23:39:47.428+00:00 — azonenberg**
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or write the automation in c++
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## message-1529271721230733533
**2026-07-21T23:39:50.836+00:00 — namibj**
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hmmm
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## message-1529271783549702336
**2026-07-21T23:40:05.694+00:00 — azonenberg**
- Message ID: `1529271783549702336`
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there's been talk of adding a full python scripting API but the internals need to stabilize a lot before that happens
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## message-1529271845524734012
**2026-07-21T23:40:20.47+00:00 — azonenberg**
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we are nowhere near the level of maturity that making any kind of FFI would make sense
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## message-1529271998721818707
**2026-07-21T23:40:56.995+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1529271998721818707`
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..... can you send me that "worst-ish realistic case" receiver waveform, pre-CTLE?
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## message-1529272143718912110
**2026-07-21T23:41:31.565+00:00 — namibj**
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I wanna try to get Xyce to use it's interpolating magic on that.
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## message-1529272321016201306
**2026-07-21T23:42:13.836+00:00 — namibj**
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(for handling the numerical discontinuities in an appropriately calm manner)
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## message-1529272455867400312
**2026-07-21T23:42:45.987+00:00 — namibj**
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I'll go catch the sleep now, though.
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## message-1529277755701727282
**2026-07-22T00:03:49.566+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Matt Venn - https://zerotoasiccourse.com/metastability/ is super cool!
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## message-1529280342878588958
**2026-07-22T00:14:06.397+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@namibj / @azonenberg - I don't know if this helps or is relevant but Antmicro have a bunch of stuff for simulation the PCB side of things, including some nice visualisations
- https://antmicro.com/blog/2023/11/open-source-signal-integrity-analysis
- https://antmicro.com/blog/2024/07/automated-pcb-trace-selection-for-si-simulation
- https://antmicro.com/blog/2025/07/recent-improvements-to-antmicros-signal-integrity-simulation-flow
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## message-1529462972248883240
**2026-07-22T12:19:48.632+00:00 — namibj**
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After lunch I can probably get to (properly) start on it.
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## message-1529569697723318452
**2026-07-22T19:23:53.968+00:00 — namibj**
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@azonenberg an example file; ports 1 and 2 are the single ended "input pair" and port 3 is the differential output; I couldn't think of a way to straight-forward let it have a single input port while still forcing a common mode operating point on it, and getting it to behave "properly".
Can you see if that at least kinda works? Like, with not-too-hard matching; beware while I used a represenative-ish port impedance for it, it doesn't mean the circuit is on it's own expected to behave resitive.
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## message-1529592629510148196
**2026-07-22T20:55:01.332+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1529592629510148196`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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edit: this has in the same `.s3p` in the sequence given by the `.res` a sweep of the primary design-time peaking control tunable; essentially the header and footer are only present once, and then it's the touchstone lines/frequency-sweep from the "operating bias points" listed in the `.res` file, just concatenated together, in the order they are called out in the `.res` file.
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## message-1529593308052193340
**2026-07-22T20:57:43.109+00:00 — namibj**
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```text
here's just a single one for ease of plugging in; this should be much more representative than the first preview I had shared a few hours ago.
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## message-1529598862929428680
**2026-07-22T21:19:47.495+00:00 — namibj**
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````text
These are the "obvious" tunables; though the main ones to aim for to move the response behavior would be:
```
clk_buf_in_out_ratio
clk_buf_load_r
clk_buf_neg_ratio
clk_buf_tail_current
input_cm
```
with `clk_buf_neg_tail_adjust` being a minor tunable.
`clk_buf_in_out_ratio` says how much weaker the input stage is vs. the output stage
`clk_buf_load_r` is the pull-up/load resistance at the output stage
`clk_buf_neg_ratio` says how much weaker the negative feedback onto the output node[pair] of the input stage should be, relative to the strength of the output stage. Thus divide it by `clk_buf_in_out_ratio` to understand how strong the negative feedback is relative to the input.
`clk_buf_tail_current` adjusts about anti-proportionally with `clk_buf_load_r` and gives the tail current reference fed to a current mirror (with infinite decoupling capacitance) for driving the actual tail current sources for the 3 diff pairs here. The input and output pair share a bias voltage and only adjust their tail current through adjusting the size of the tail transistor.
`input_cm` is the common mode voltage of the input signal, very relevant for determining the bias conditions the input diff pair are subjected to. In hindsight I guess there should be little harm from just setting that very high as the tail current source ought to take up any necessary slack.... _I think..._ but probably it's not nearly as clear-cut as that hindsight idea hoped.
`clk_buf_neg_tail_adjust` multiplies the tail current fed to the negative feedback diffpair's current mirror from what the naive `clk_buf_neg_ratio * clk_buf_tail_current` would otherwise give.
`clk_buf_tail_current` even if adjusted anti-proportionally with `clk_buf_load_r` is relevant because the capacitances (and in that case, also the output-side voltages) remain the same, even as the resistances change, which adjusts the RC time constants.
````
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## message-1529600859980300459
**2026-07-22T21:27:43.629+00:00 — azonenberg**
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let me look
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## message-1529601515730505931
**2026-07-22T21:30:19.972+00:00 — azonenberg**
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hmmm i can't read that
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## message-1529601634370453606
**2026-07-22T21:30:48.258+00:00 — azonenberg**
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neither sonnet nor ngscopeclient can parse it and the format looks different. is touchstone 2.0 a new thing?
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## message-1529601670537810180
**2026-07-22T21:30:56.881+00:00 — azonenberg**
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can you convert to a touchstone v1 file?
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## message-1529601725739176148
**2026-07-22T21:31:10.042+00:00 — namibj**
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```text
If I read correctly this suggests that there's a hump between about 2.6 GHz and 8.4 GHz with this parametrization here:
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## message-1529601795930853376
**2026-07-22T21:31:26.777+00:00 — namibj**
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sure
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## message-1529601930849157220
**2026-07-22T21:31:58.944+00:00 — namibj**
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the manual said it's default and didn't mention it being funky so I figured the v1 was legacy form the 90's that one didn't wanna actually use 😄
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## message-1529602215457587332
**2026-07-22T21:33:06.8+00:00 — namibj**
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ugh this is way different....
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## message-1529602648435589221
**2026-07-22T21:34:50.03+00:00 — namibj**
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does this please your tooling?
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## message-1529603137013547009
**2026-07-22T21:36:46.516+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it's the 30 year old format that was so simple and functional that there was no reason to ever change it
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## message-1529603171738194060
**2026-07-22T21:36:54.795+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and became the industry standard interchange format for a reason
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## message-1529603263765282989
**2026-07-22T21:37:16.736+00:00 — azonenberg**
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then someone bought up the rights to the name and came out with a newer version that breaks compatibility in a bunch of ways and a lot of tooling doesnt support
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## message-1529603417092395118
**2026-07-22T21:37:53.292+00:00 — azonenberg**
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ok so which port number is which?
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## message-1529603443449139331
**2026-07-22T21:37:59.576+00:00 — namibj**
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I mean it's 17yo by now.... https://ibis.org/touchstone_ver2.0/
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## message-1529603548629958877
**2026-07-22T21:38:24.653+00:00 — azonenberg**
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if it's 17 years old and my commercial eda tool can't read it
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## message-1529603574504358079
**2026-07-22T21:38:30.822+00:00 — azonenberg**
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there's probably a reason they never implemented it :p
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## message-1529603710458658928
**2026-07-22T21:39:03.236+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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1 and 2 are the wires of the supposedly balanced input; 3 is the differentially connected output
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## message-1529603743585140846
**2026-07-22T21:39:11.134+00:00 — azonenberg**
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every s-parameter dataset i've ever got from an rf component vendor, off a VNA, etc has been v1 format
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## message-1529603830034075688
**2026-07-22T21:39:31.745+00:00 — azonenberg**
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ok so... hmm. this doesn't look like much of an equalizer?
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## message-1529603869343092757
**2026-07-22T21:39:41.117+00:00 — azonenberg**
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looking at S31 it's flat for a while then rolls off, i'm not seeing much in the way of peaking
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## message-1529604048087416852
**2026-07-22T21:40:23.733+00:00 — namibj**
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> Version 1.0 and Version 2.0 files differ in three additional respects:
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## message-1529604388069572769
**2026-07-22T21:41:44.791+00:00 — namibj**
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what about S13?
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## message-1529604858372427907
**2026-07-22T21:43:36.92+00:00 — namibj**
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wait huh
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## message-1529605465284018379
**2026-07-22T21:46:01.619+00:00 — namibj**
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does one of these behave better?
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## message-1529605719802904708
**2026-07-22T21:47:02.301+00:00 — namibj**
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(nami is sad about having wasted so much time earlier on ILT)
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## message-1529605879027073175
**2026-07-22T21:47:40.263+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I see huge differences in end to end gain, is that expected?
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## message-1529606046308630589
**2026-07-22T21:48:20.146+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the 0.2 is like +6 dB, the 0.4 is -16, the 0.6 is -45
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## message-1529606075932737770
**2026-07-22T21:48:27.209+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but shows more of a peaking response like i would expect
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## message-1529606460106084353
**2026-07-22T21:49:58.803+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah
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## message-1529606563990470717
**2026-07-22T21:50:23.571+00:00 — namibj**
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it's the strength of the inter-stage active negative feedback
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## message-1529606677517701151
**2026-07-22T21:50:50.638+00:00 — namibj**
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```text
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## message-1529606714763116566
**2026-07-22T21:50:59.518+00:00 — namibj**
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forgive the upside-down center please
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## message-1529607119337296093
**2026-07-22T21:52:35.976+00:00 — namibj**
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peak gain or low frequency?
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## message-1529607265051738193
**2026-07-22T21:53:10.717+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Low frequency
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## message-1529607299155365888
**2026-07-22T21:53:18.848+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah that's supposed
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## message-1529607347893309540
**2026-07-22T21:53:30.468+00:00 — azonenberg**
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The peaking response on the v0.6 looks good as a start just from looking at the plot, if you can move it up 40 dB or so :p
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## message-1529607686902124667
**2026-07-22T21:54:51.294+00:00 — namibj**
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can you fix the latter through adding an inductor or attaching a different impedance at the inputs/outputs?
Also keep in mind you're supposed to feed port 1 and 2 from the two wires of a balanced line....
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**2026-07-22T21:54:57.924+00:00 — namibj**
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(that's not 40dB though)
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**2026-07-22T21:56:01.663+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yeah I'm just looking at 3 from 1 for the purposes of a quick look
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**2026-07-22T21:56:38.172+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah I just guessed the impedances from the load impedance.... roughly
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**2026-07-22T21:56:41.27+00:00 — azonenberg**
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The bigger issue I see is group delay flatness, ~150ps variation over 0-10 GHz is not ideal
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**2026-07-22T21:56:43.949+00:00 — azonenberg**
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that's multiple UIs
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**2026-07-22T21:58:56.826+00:00 — namibj**
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well 10GHz is kinda far frequency wise...
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**2026-07-22T21:59:07.607+00:00 — namibj**
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but yes
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**2026-07-22T22:00:05.663+00:00 — namibj**
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is it possible that many of the missing dB are accounted for by reflection?
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## message-1529609506588463197
**2026-07-22T22:02:05.141+00:00 — azonenberg**
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very possible i didnt look at return loss. flatness is what i'm more concerned about at this opint
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**2026-07-22T22:02:12.262+00:00 — azonenberg**
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**2026-07-22T22:02:22.853+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and i'm not too happy with what i see so far :p
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**2026-07-22T22:02:27.535+00:00 — azonenberg**
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this is before and acter
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**2026-07-22T22:02:30.045+00:00 — azonenberg**
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yes, the after is worse
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**2026-07-22T22:02:49.161+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I think the group delay response is a significant part of the issue since the magnitude response doesnt look too bad
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**2026-07-22T22:03:00.433+00:00 — azonenberg**
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phase linearity is the issue
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**2026-07-22T22:05:26.187+00:00 — namibj**
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is that better for some of the other(s)?
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**2026-07-22T22:08:03.556+00:00 — namibj**
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oh, also, could it be that this might only even be necessary when looking at direct-attach copper cables (the multi-meter Twinax ones), and use with optics could reasonably rely on the redriver in the optic providing an open-enough eye to the slicer?
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**2026-07-22T22:09:34.848+00:00 — namibj**
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(...is that behavior tamed by applying series or shunt inductor at input and/or output?)
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## message-1529611592549925017
**2026-07-22T22:10:22.473+00:00 — namibj**
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I'd not expect the mosfet gate input to be _particularly_ resistive in impedance...
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**2026-07-22T22:13:20.674+00:00 — azonenberg**
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This is purely a frequecny domain propagation model, not a circuit simulation
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## message-1529612350066266162
**2026-07-22T22:13:23.079+00:00 — namibj**
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....I'd _guess_ the takeaway can already be "sfp+ optics are already able to provide an eye that can be sliced without any receiver equalization, provided short and quality PCB trace is used"?
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## message-1529612436641022044
**2026-07-22T22:13:43.72+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yes, i think that should be the case
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## message-1529612500356829286
**2026-07-22T22:13:58.911+00:00 — azonenberg**
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If you have a long direct-attach cable or something you'd definitely want a retimer/redriver befroe a non-equalizing receiver
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## message-1529612624046588118
**2026-07-22T22:14:28.401+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah and the mentioned are just linear things with very plain piecewise-linear shaped log-log plotted complex impedances
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## message-1529612768817315980
**2026-07-22T22:15:02.917+00:00 — namibj**
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are such redrivers/retimers low cost COTS chips?
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## message-1529613158354915338
**2026-07-22T22:16:35.79+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yes
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## message-1529613269625471268
**2026-07-22T22:17:02.319+00:00 — namibj**
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Yay.
I'll share the happy news where plans about collaborative design of a "proper" SerDes for Tim Edward's chipalooza are under discussion.
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## message-1529615013730586747
**2026-07-22T22:23:58.146+00:00 — namibj**
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.....could we perhaps even rely on their existence to _hope_ for possibly reaching all the way to 25G if the mux is doubled once more (to 8:1) and we give up any hope of producing a strong good eye (gain at those frequencies is very expensive on gf180mcuD, even with inductors helping) and the base clock is overclocked/pushed to 3.2 from the 10G C4's 2.5 ?
I'd expect 50~100 mV p-p (opening, through de-emphasis of low frequencies) to be readily feasible to produce, but aiming for much more would make me worry about melting the chip.
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## message-1529615156898959392
**2026-07-22T22:24:32.28+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I have no idea. The good retimers will have a CTLE/DFE at the input and a FFE on the output programmable over i2c
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## message-1529615364743368905
**2026-07-22T22:25:21.834+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Check out the DS125DF111 for example which digikey has for... wow $23 @ qty1, priecs have gone up
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## message-1529615372901421066
**2026-07-22T22:25:23.779+00:00 — namibj**
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....programmable.... good; that should allow skipping CTLE on the receiver by pushing that work to the transmitter's FFE, right?
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## message-1529615479365304461
**2026-07-22T22:25:49.162+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(you can get cheaper ones that are just a CTLE/buffer without the full CDR PLL and TX equalizer)
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## message-1529615492632023051
**2026-07-22T22:25:52.325+00:00 — namibj**
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ehhh, not so bad 😄
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## message-1529615536453849189
**2026-07-22T22:26:02.773+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah
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## message-1529615659997069332
**2026-07-22T22:26:32.228+00:00 — azonenberg**
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For the sake of testing, I have a commercial and a homemade FPGA based BERT that both have programmable TX FFE and drive strength
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## message-1529615710983032882
**2026-07-22T22:26:44.384+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so i can throw an overemphasized eye at a receiver for testing
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## message-1529622637209321672
**2026-07-22T22:54:15.725+00:00 — namibj**
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hmmm....
I'm assuming there are similarly affordable 25G variants of the DS125DF111 's functionality, right?
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## message-1529631911171981422
**2026-07-22T23:31:06.81+00:00 — azonenberg**
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The DS250DF230 is $33.64 and BGA only
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## message-1529631920722280630
**2026-07-22T23:31:09.087+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but yes
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## message-1529637425536700618
**2026-07-22T23:53:01.537+00:00 — namibj**
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:ferrisCatSneaky: 25G..... hope unlocks extra motivation levels......
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## message-1529638312518750298
**2026-07-22T23:56:33.01+00:00 — namibj**
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I'd expect a mere 10G redriver to only run about 10~15$ then; considering that a 25G SerDes might have to sacrifice enough equalization to make tha twork (without melting) that it won't do the normal expected 10G eye anymore (if it's clocked appropriately slower)...
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## message-1529698710471049287
**2026-07-23T03:56:33.004+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@namibj - If you manage to achieve even close to 10G SERDES on GF180MCU you'll be forever my hero. Just hitting 5G to get the slowest USB3 would be pretty amazing.
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## message-1529700160991527072
**2026-07-23T04:02:18.835+00:00 — azonenberg**
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personally 2.5G for pcie gen1 would already be very real-world useful
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## message-1529700208471052339
**2026-07-23T04:02:30.155+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but i will take as fast as i can get :p
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## message-1529701856362762371
**2026-07-23T04:09:03.043+00:00 — namibj**
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While you're so curious, would https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1526921632105365524 be allowed on Run3?
Or are we banned from taping out a die the foundry would consider/call "flip-chip"?
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## message-1529702309045731429
**2026-07-23T04:10:50.971+00:00 — namibj**
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(also, do you care more about the RX or the TX being that fast? If you'd have a choice between a 10G TX&1G RX, or a 10G RX &1G TX, which would you prefer?
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## message-1529709490776051752
**2026-07-23T04:39:23.229+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I believe we managed to sneak that project onto Run #2 even with the 1 DRC error -- not 100% sure.
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## message-1529749336580296794
**2026-07-23T07:17:43.209+00:00 — azonenberg**
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A TX is easier to characterize
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## message-1529749514137767957
**2026-07-23T07:18:25.542+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but given the choice i would prefer 2.5 on both so i could do pcie gen1 or 1000base-X/SGMII
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## message-1529749567850156115
**2026-07-23T07:18:38.348+00:00 — azonenberg**
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10G unidirectional i would only be able to use for JESD204
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## message-1529794332985659443
**2026-07-23T10:16:31.188+00:00 — namibj**
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It'd be obvious in the reticle, for not having the pad frame ring on any side.
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## message-1529794545515237418
**2026-07-23T10:17:21.859+00:00 — namibj**
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~~and for Ethernet ~~
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## message-1529838526479204452
**2026-07-23T13:12:07.738+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i mean yes cursed unidirectional ethernet could exist but
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## message-1529841191955464274
**2026-07-23T13:22:43.237+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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@azonenberg @namibj I wish i understood half of this conversation, but it's certainly cool!
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## message-1529843635913359441
**2026-07-23T13:32:25.922+00:00 — azonenberg**
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if you want some background read https://people.engr.tamu.edu/spalermo/ecen720.html
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## message-1529843872333561987
**2026-07-23T13:33:22.289+00:00 — azonenberg**
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nami is way ahead of me on the analog design side of things, I work with high speed SERDES all the time as an FPGA/ASIC RTL developer and board designer but for me they're mostly a magic black box lol
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## message-1529844054811218100
**2026-07-23T13:34:05.795+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it gives me a clock, i feed it parallel bits, serial bits come out the other side, i give it a differential channel with the right impedance and not too much loss, serial bits come into the rx, parallel bits and a recovered clock out the other side
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## message-1529844142081966151
**2026-07-23T13:34:26.602+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and like, i know which knobs in the equalizers to tweak when i scope the line and the eye isn't open enough or something
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**2026-07-23T13:34:39.734+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but how to design the circuit that makes that happen, vs just poking register values? that bit is beyond me
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## message-1529844348282474506
**2026-07-23T13:35:15.764+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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Thanks for sharing! Super cool stuff
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**2026-07-23T13:36:43.228+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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I'm playing around a bit myself on this topic
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## message-1529844872247251005
**2026-07-23T13:37:20.687+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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The eye diagrams in ngscopeclient you shared, are those just generated from a .raw dump of a simulation? 🙂
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**2026-07-23T13:38:07.627+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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I'm trying to build my own TX serializer but targeting a WAYY lower clock (maybe going for PCIe 1 if possible).
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## message-1529845336904826940
**2026-07-23T13:39:11.47+00:00 — azonenberg**
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ngscopeclient can generate an eye pattern from a digital clock (DDR, sampling on both edges centered in the data valid window) and an analog waveform
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**2026-07-23T13:39:22.546+00:00 — azonenberg**
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There are two common flows that end up with you having that
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**2026-07-23T13:39:50.406+00:00 — azonenberg**
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first is to use the cdr pll filter, second is to have the clock propagated from the source in some way
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**2026-07-23T13:40:11.911+00:00 — azonenberg**
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where that waveform comes from, it doesn't care one bit
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**2026-07-23T13:40:39.24+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it can be a PRBS that you generated in the digital domain, converted to an analog NRZ or PAM4 or whatever waveform, passed through an s-parameter channel model, added some noise and jitter to, etc
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**2026-07-23T13:40:48.357+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it can be a raw measurement off a scope
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**2026-07-23T13:40:58.967+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it can be loaded from a CSV or binary waveform file you imported from somewhere else
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**2026-07-23T13:41:21.064+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it can be the output of another filter block, e.g. I plotted an eye a while back that had y axis units of Hz because I was demodulating FSK data
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**2026-07-23T13:41:47.265+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so i downconverted and filtered the waveform then used the frequency-measurement block to measure frequency of the IF vs time
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**2026-07-23T13:42:10.27+00:00 — azonenberg**
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then fed that into the eye as well as thresholding it at like 1 MHz or so to get back to a digital NRZ waveform i could run decodes on
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## message-1529846370725396563
**2026-07-23T13:43:17.952+00:00 — azonenberg**
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one of the most key things about ngscopeclient's architecture is that it's basically a DSP/protocol decode/math sandbox, if you can provide a stream of data in the right format nothing cares hwo it got there
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## message-1529846550879142119
**2026-07-23T13:44:00.904+00:00 — azonenberg**
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you can decode PCIe just as well from an oscilloscope waveform as from some kind of FPGA based protocol analyzer where the native data format an instrument channel measures is "time series of 8b/10b code words"
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## message-1529846673327783986
**2026-07-23T13:44:30.098+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and this is not a made-up use case, i built exactly that - you compile it into an FPGA design and on trigger it records a configurable number of raw line-coded symbols off your transceiver into a block ram then you read out
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## message-1529846893717491763
**2026-07-23T13:45:22.643+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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Super cool! Thanks for the explanation!
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## message-1529847695378874419
**2026-07-23T13:48:33.774+00:00 — azonenberg**
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For the specific screenshots I shared, the flow was roughly digital PRBS31 -> add some gaussian RJ -> convert to ideal NRZ waveform -> add AWGN -> pass through s-parameter channel derived from spice simulation -> CDR PLL -> eye
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**2026-07-23T13:49:34.84+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but you could just as well have replaced the synthetic test waveform with a real scope measurement
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**2026-07-23T13:50:09.451+00:00 — azonenberg**
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or the simulated s-parameter dataset with live VNA measurements of a real on-wafer device if you had suitable RF GSG / GSSG probes, etc
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## message-1529848214050705580
**2026-07-23T13:50:37.435+00:00 — azonenberg**
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everything is fungible, you just have to acquire/create/convert the data into whatever format the next block in the chain wants
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## message-1529849776013574234
**2026-07-23T13:56:49.836+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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nice, thank you!
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## message-1529852245779157222
**2026-07-23T14:06:38.674+00:00 — namibj**
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The part that isn't quite there yet is streaming through a transient SPICE.
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## message-1529852448347525323
**2026-07-23T14:07:26.97+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Yeah I would like to have some way to make a virtual instrument that runs a ngspice or whatever model then runs the filter graph on that waveform
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## message-1529852470686257162
**2026-07-23T14:07:32.296+00:00 — azonenberg**
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just hasnt been a priority yet
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**2026-07-23T14:07:39.046+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Too many other things to do and not enough time
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## message-1529852600780853350
**2026-07-23T14:08:03.313+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Most of my recent work on ngscopeclient has been focused on thunderscope integration, performance, and specific protocol blocks that I needed at work
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## message-1529854681193386045
**2026-07-23T14:16:19.322+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh I don't mean pre-recorded SPICE waveform: transient mode SPICE is just adaptive time step time integration of a non-linear system of differential equations.
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## message-1529854800521466030
**2026-07-23T14:16:47.772+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I dont mean pre recorded either
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## message-1529854847787208928
**2026-07-23T14:16:59.041+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i mean having an "instrument" that is literally a wrapper around a pipe to ngspice
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## message-1529854882842935300
**2026-07-23T14:17:07.399+00:00 — azonenberg**
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when you click trigger it starts the sim
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## message-1529854961721147516
**2026-07-23T14:17:26.205+00:00 — namibj**
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In some cases it's possible to simulate analog audio filters (think "guitar tube amplifier") in real time.
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## message-1529855013440983100
**2026-07-23T14:17:38.536+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Or a filter block i guess
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**2026-07-23T14:17:51.888+00:00 — azonenberg**
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it could be possible to work in both modes, as a signal source or a flow-through processing block
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**2026-07-23T14:18:10.297+00:00 — namibj**
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Hmmm.
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## message-1529855297781235935
**2026-07-23T14:18:46.328+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I do not have the time to build such an integration any time soon
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## message-1529855322334826636
**2026-07-23T14:18:52.182+00:00 — azonenberg**
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But it would be nice to have eventually
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## message-1529855837600874596
**2026-07-23T14:20:55.031+00:00 — namibj**
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Are there any phase frequency detectors I could have in idealized form in spice to force a VCO to run in sync so I can put measurement cursors in places and temporarily cheat clock tree phasing with ideal analog delays?
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## message-1529855912133660682
**2026-07-23T14:21:12.801+00:00 — azonenberg**
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No idea. Same as serdes, PLLs are mostly a black box to me
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## message-1529855943418839070
**2026-07-23T14:21:20.26+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i give it a clock, i configure the various dividers
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## message-1529855960653496320
**2026-07-23T14:21:24.369+00:00 — azonenberg**
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one or more clocks come out
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## message-1529856009458290729
**2026-07-23T14:21:36.005+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i know the basic idea of a feedback system adjusting an oscillator to lock to the PFD input
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## message-1529856024071114976
**2026-07-23T14:21:39.489+00:00 — azonenberg**
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but how the PFD works? Not a clue
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**2026-07-23T14:22:46.042+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh yeah I'm not looking for a physical realization, but ideally a mathematically perfect PFD that just has to be casual.
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## message-1529857544082690312
**2026-07-23T14:27:41.888+00:00 — azonenberg**
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yeah i have no idea
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## message-1529857617399386264
**2026-07-23T14:27:59.368+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the ngscopeclient PLL is a fully DSP based design that does fairly simple second order corrections
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## message-1529857711179825152
**2026-07-23T14:28:21.727+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and does not have any specific jitter transfer curve and i want to eventually replace/supplement with one that actually matches the response in various standards
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## message-1529911675975630949
**2026-07-23T18:02:47.937+00:00 — Max Vallone (@mavmaster)**
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Ideal comparators + verilog 2DFF PFD comes to mind. If you figure out a simple way please do post about it -- would have helped speed up my PLL transients a ton.
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## message-1529985799465209887
**2026-07-23T22:57:20.354+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh I'm expecting to share the SPICE deck(s) for/of it "basically immediately" with the next decently-clean commit after figuring it out, and if nothing sufficiently urgent keeps me from doing so, I'd have reason to blog post explain it, I guess, given how I've been stumped on it so far and that to me at least it feels like something that should be quite obvious to have access to in order to allow all the good benefits of harmonic balance SPICE analysis (it's basically the translinear operating conditions + support-for-intermodulation-products evolution of the linearized-small-signal AC analysis; or seen another way, the ensemble-of-harmonics-and-intermodulation-products analytic-time-integration-reliant evolution of the classic single-frequency-only (0 Hz) DC operating point analysis), even when once has to analyze a VCO across PVT.
Because you're not gonna be able to handle the PVT variation aspect in any reasonable way without a way to let the SPICE solver also solve for whatever control voltage happens to be correct, in order to operate at the nominal frequency. You don't _want_ to model any real PLL, you just want to have the solver cough up the control voltage that makes the VCO be your clock, while it is already working on coughing up all those other operating point node voltages.
Like, at least to me, there's no fundamental difference between simulating a mixer in harmonic balance fed from an ideal LO and an ideal baseband, vs. plopping down the VCO you're gonna use to synthesize the LO, wiring that realistic drive behavior source to the mixer, and attaching some magical block to the VCO's outputs and the ideal LO feed and the VCO's control node and selecting what sign the VCO's `deltaHz/V` slope has.
It might be quite ticklish to initial conditions especially if not sufficiently frequency detector and too much phase detector based, but it's not like one couldn't "just" use exisitng cycle counting based frequncy measurments for the VCO in SPICE while stepping through some control voltages over a few transient runs, to figure out a reasonable approximation for at least the typical corner and nominal voltage&temperature, from where quality higher order continuation solvers ought to be able to "pull in and lock the PLL", and once there is a consistent set of harmonic balance phasors for all the nodes, those very same quality continuation solvers should have an easy time dragging the parameters of concern from those values of the typical corner to those values of the target corner that the solver is supposed to find a solution for.
Because those are _specifically_ about dealing with flaky behavior and breakage-levels of "there exist multiple solutions/bias points for this new corner, good luck not getting them confused as you transition from your exisitng solution to one for the new corner".....
(from the Xyce docs; `Figure 8-8`; attached `Figure 8-9`:)
It initializes `Vtest` to 0 and sweeps it between 0 and 2.0 with initial step size 0.01, max step size 0.1, and minimum step size of 1e-8; it relies on a secant predictor to round the corners of where multiple currents are solutions to an individual voltage.)
```spice
Test for turning points using arclength continuation
* polynomial coefficients:
.param A=3.0
.param B=-2.0
.param C=1.0
.param I=1.0
Vtest 1 0 5.0
Btest 1 0 V=A*(I(Vtest)-I)**3 + B*(I(Vtest)-I) + C
.DC Vtest 1 1 1
* natural parameter continuation options (via loca)
.options nonlin continuation=1
* stepper sets what order of continuation this is.
* stepper=0 or stepper=NAT is natural continuation
* stepper=1 or stepper=ARC is arclength continuation
*
* predictor must be set to secant to see turning points
* predictor=0 tangent
* predictor=1 secant
* predictor=2 random
* predictor=3 constant
.options loca stepper=1
+ predictor=1 stepcontrol=1
+ conparam=Vtest
+ initialvalue=0.0 minvalue=0.0 maxvalue=2.0
+ initialstepsize=0.01 minstepsize=1.0e-8 maxstepsize=0.1
+ aggressiveness=0.1
.print homotopy I(Vtest)
```
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## message-1530015898465865799
**2026-07-24T00:56:56.515+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Well it's more if something comes up at the fab it might get ejected.
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## message-1530016427476783265
**2026-07-24T00:59:02.641+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh you mean, it's on the reticle but liable to getting bumped off if the fab has any complaints about it being there?
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**2026-07-24T05:00:18.362+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1530730193646522488
**2026-07-26T00:15:17.757+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Anyone played with https://brandonli.net/semisim/animations and https://brandonli.net/semisim/ ?
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## message-1531015603274387566
**2026-07-26T19:09:24.715+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’ve decided I need a break from taping out these big multi-project dies. Its really burning me out each time and taking away valuable space on the wafer.
Next shuttle, my submission is going to be simple: how much current can I push? Either a quarter or half slot, entire die area filled with parallel FETs to see just how much physical current I can switch. Whole pad ring will be analog pads to spread out the current over multiple pads.
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## message-1531016078120063179
**2026-07-26T19:11:17.927+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Why ? Like what would you do with that data ?
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## message-1531016404290240692
**2026-07-26T19:12:35.692+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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And just so the chip is not going to be entirely useless, I am going to add a little analog stuff in the corner to turn it into a charge controller for sodium-ion cells, because I genuinely need such a thing.
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## message-1531016695320412260
**2026-07-26T19:13:45.079+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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There is some cool stuff that could be made if we can push decent currents. Mostly power stuff. DC-DC converters of various kinds.
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## message-1531052313152847953
**2026-07-26T21:35:17.032+00:00 — namibj**
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I'm planning to drive epc-co power FETs with it for using digital predistortion to neutralize EMI from a multi-phase charge pump.
Also if we're lucky we might know that we could do flip chip which would work great with integrated power stages.
Also you might possibly be interested in helping me& @Essen actually do that muxed e-test with which we're planning to do full DC characterization across VT (can't do P; models have to help with that part) of whatever thin oxide SCL we hope to use productively on Run4.
Are you sure you don't want your SCL to use channels longer than minimum for leakage?
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## message-1531053063144603728
**2026-07-26T21:38:15.844+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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My SCL is optimized for performance
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## message-1531053096514486342
**2026-07-26T21:38:23.8+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m not going to do anything that lowers propagation delays
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## message-1531053120166035587
**2026-07-26T21:38:29.439+00:00 — namibj**
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(note that an efficient gate driver has to use some inductance in the gate drive loop, and actively pulse-form transitions as the power device will be lossy when the channel is half on)
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## message-1531053215074746468
**2026-07-26T21:38:52.067+00:00 — namibj**
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Oh ok
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## message-1531066035468243106
**2026-07-26T22:29:48.687+00:00 — namibj**
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The muxed e-test is for near-DC measuring as de-embedding parasitic capacitance would be _hard._
If you're having suggestions on how to deal with that part it'd be appreciated, though.
Near-DC is just "4"-wire kelvin connections to the "pin"'s of the DUT, or including the via down to it.
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## message-1531770318237204500
**2026-07-28T21:08:22.784+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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Hi @azonenberg , I am currently layout the spec for what features we want in the 10GBASE-R PCS and since you are the authority on testing I have come bearing questions 🧵
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## message-1532313492244398121
**2026-07-30T09:06:45.559+00:00 — Deepak (@deempak)**
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thank you @Tim 'mithro' Ansell @Leo Moser (mole99) for selecting my submission for free slot . ☺️ 🕺
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## message-1532314286347522088
**2026-07-30T09:09:54.888+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Now comes the part where I have to start worrying about bring-up!
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## message-1532429542738759822
**2026-07-30T16:47:54.153+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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You mean the best part ? 🔥 w 🔥
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## message-1532429729280557156
**2026-07-30T16:48:38.628+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Well, last bring-up it turned out my chips were absolutely busted and unusable...
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## message-1532430048793985228
**2026-07-30T16:49:54.806+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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Please let me have hope 😅
More seriously, have you been able to figure out what the issue was ?
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## message-1532430106008621111
**2026-07-30T16:50:08.447+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1532431745008533675
**2026-07-30T16:56:39.215+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
- Message ID: `1532431745008533675`
- Author ID: `509798510170865675`
- Nickname: Essen
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- Edited: 2026-07-30T17:01:02.093+00:00
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On another topic:
Does anyone know if there is there any chance the Georgia Tech ICE lab would agree to update the public spice models with there floating gate behavioral data they will be collecting from there test chip ? (code: `0000` )
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## message-1532434971065847930
**2026-07-30T17:09:28.367+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yes. Too powerful pull-up on the class A on my DAC's opamp
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## message-1532450665748496576
**2026-07-30T18:11:50.271+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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Ouf, did you lose the entire chip ?
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## message-1532453990497784038
**2026-07-30T18:25:02.953+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1532453990497784038`
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It works. For a bit. Then it fries itself.
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## message-1532492108286529556
**2026-07-30T20:56:30.942+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1532492108286529556`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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- Type: `Reply`
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Do we get access to the measurement results?
I had planned to port them from level=54 to level=77 `BSIM6 version 6.1.1` or level=103/level=1031 `PSP version 103.4` (it's probably hard to calibrate the self-heating aspect of level=77 and level=1031) with data from the muxed e-test, but more data won't hurt, especially on the subject of floating gate stuff....
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## message-1532493266417746022
**2026-07-30T21:01:07.062+00:00 — namibj**
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if there's a defined timing corner at the like 1.8V level, I'd potentially suggest eventually figuring out how fast it ought to work at that reduced supply, and we could then in due time see about extracting your actual GDS (not my re-built imitation of it!) and seeing if there's a point of reduced voltage where it could be operated safely enough to let you test the things you have designed there, even if it's not fully operational due to the speed and possibly a block or two not actually being usable at these conditions.
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## message-1533208570076856502
**2026-08-01T20:23:28.744+00:00 — djsftree**
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Greetings! New here and hoping to get something ready in time for Run 3.
```
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## message-1533349543230443630
**2026-08-02T05:43:39.363+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1533349543230443630`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Reply`
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Sweet! Want to share what you're hoping to make?
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## message-1533446268800729368
**2026-08-02T12:08:00.536+00:00 — djsftree**
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**Content**
```text
I see mithro has been adding 1x1_max_all 🤔 will the pcb templates be updates for the new slot sizes? also, is it possible for another KGD to be assembled , like an external psram at time of assembly, if a wire bond plan is invluded?
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## message-1533470044846297149
**2026-08-02T13:42:29.187+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1533470044846297149`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
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- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2026-08-02T13:44:26.142+00:00
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Sorry, I don't know what you mean by `1x1_max_all` but I don't think we'll be doing any kinds of multi die packaging for a while if that's what you're referring to.
Mouser and others stock PSRAM you can add to your motherboard
https://www.mouser.com/en/ProductDetail/878-APS6404L-3SQR-SN
*edit*:
> will the pcb templates be updates for the new slot sizes?
Yes, all standard slot sizes will have COB available, you do not need to do custom bonding diagrams, just use the default pad structure (VSS, VDD are the only ones that need to be the same)
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## message-1533474095168225444
**2026-08-02T13:58:34.859+00:00 — djsftree**
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https://mithro.github.io/gf180mcu-project-template/
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## message-1533474857382318312
**2026-08-02T14:01:36.585+00:00 — djsftree**
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linked to from just below slot sizes table https://www.crowdsupply.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-run-3/ , 1x1_max_all
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## message-1533475116946559149
**2026-08-02T14:02:38.47+00:00 — djsftree**
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“Configuration Variants”
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## message-1533475847980322968
**2026-08-02T14:05:32.762+00:00 — djsftree**
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i assume that “mithro“ is part of the wafer space team? 🤔
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## message-1533480052388532367
**2026-08-02T14:22:15.171+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
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Yep, Tim is running the show.
If the attached picture is what you're referring to, these are some theoretical maximums you could achieve on the 1x1 die.
If you want the COB option through wafer.space you will need to conform to the standards defined in https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/tree/main/librelane/slots
Hope that helps!
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## message-1533482580694007819
**2026-08-02T14:32:17.966+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1533482580694007819`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-08-02T14:32:26.045+00:00
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```text
I wouldn't however count what you find in his personal repo to be anything authoritative. Just because he pushed a different template in his repo doesn't mean it's included as a CoB option. As Andrew pointed above, the official supported template is under the wafer-space org.
```
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## message-1533484420386918510
**2026-08-02T14:39:36.583+00:00 — djsftree**
- Message ID: `1533484420386918510`
- Author ID: `810650258819252274`
- Nickname: djsftree
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noted, wafer space org over crowd supply page.
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## message-1533486876608954458
**2026-08-02T14:49:22.192+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1533486876608954458`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1533486876608954458
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To be clear, you're more than able to do whatever you want on your die and have any amount of pads in any configuration of your choosing.
Only specifically if you're choosing the COB option do you need to conform to anything other than overall dimensions
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## message-1533495383844585493
**2026-08-02T15:23:10.475+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1533495383844585493`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
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```text
The platform has a checkbox for CoB that you can select. If enabled, the precheck ensures that your pads are compatible and will throw an error otherwise.
Note that you still need to purchase the CoB packaging option.
```
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## message-1533517336206905374
**2026-08-02T16:50:24.326+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1533517336206905374`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570941/1533517336206905374
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Yeah; once we get feedback on whether what I did for `FC01` is acceptable in future runs, though perhaps with mandated machine QR code in the corner; (I am under the belief that it would merely require a flag on platform.wafer.space to select "I am a flip chip die, not a wire bond die", to select the alternate DRC deck):
I expect that even the full freedom of the flip-chip DRC deck will be allowed.
@Leo Moser (mole99) might be able to tell us if that general allowance of subjecting a submitted chip to the flip chip DRC deck is looking favorable or if it'll likely take until after Run3.
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## message-1533632950082474196
**2026-08-03T00:29:48.822+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Wafer.Space run 3 deadlines just went up on the website and nothing was posted in #announcements ??
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## message-1533658170982010891
**2026-08-03T02:10:01.953+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
- Message ID: `1533658170982010891`
- Author ID: `509798510170865675`
- Nickname: Essen
- User name: essen__
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2026-08-03T02:10:14.044+00:00
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We where all gunning for buying the first slot so we didn't tell you. 😏
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## message-1533734927873478777
**2026-08-03T07:15:02.222+00:00 — djsftree**
- Message ID: `1533734927873478777`
- Author ID: `810650258819252274`
- Nickname: djsftree
- User name: djsftree
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-08-03T09:16:06.056+00:00
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1x1_flip_chip_max_all 🥵
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## message-1533766092244127836
**2026-08-03T09:18:52.387+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
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Done, thanks!
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## message-1533787200292917339
**2026-08-03T10:42:44.938+00:00 — djsftree**
- Message ID: `1533787200292917339`
- Author ID: `810650258819252274`
- Nickname: djsftree
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- Type: `Default`
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```text
```
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## message-1533795354036932769
**2026-08-03T11:15:08.942+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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- Type: `Reply`
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how are you gonna fan that out?
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## message-1533799785147011162
**2026-08-03T11:32:45.401+00:00 — djsftree**
- Message ID: `1533799785147011162`
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initially, would simply be a test die, with a bunch of analog, passives and an inductor ring test. would be a 6 layer laser drilled pcb.
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## message-1533800064240062574
**2026-08-03T11:33:51.942+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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How are you getting it bumped ?
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## message-1533802367189782660
**2026-08-03T11:43:01.008+00:00 — namibj**
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ENIG on zincate seems mature; a variant retains wire bonding ability and wouldn't turn the rest of the wafer useless.
(I'm less worried about that part of the entire ordeal.)
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## message-1533802503802585118
**2026-08-03T11:43:33.579+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1533802503802585118`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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Happy to work with you on making flip chip practical!
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## message-1533804067074347078
**2026-08-03T11:49:46.292+00:00 — djsftree**
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https://www.cil-uk.co.uk/news/cil-brings-wlcsp-flip-chip-wafer-interposer-bga-solder-bumping-to-the-uk-for-advanced-semiconductor-packaging/
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## message-1533807371548229732
**2026-08-03T12:02:54.14+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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I mean if they're gonna do it for affordable pricing....
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## message-1533808678778437724
**2026-08-03T12:08:05.808+00:00 — namibj**
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@djsftree You've seen the test die on Run2, right?
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## message-1533808740283711558
**2026-08-03T12:08:20.472+00:00 — djsftree**
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early days, I have a 138 days 🙂
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## message-1533808903861829753
**2026-08-03T12:08:59.472+00:00 — namibj**
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To figure out what's needed to then arrange/schedule and design, it passes faster than you'd think 😄
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## message-1533809469698478151
**2026-08-03T12:11:14.378+00:00 — djsftree**
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FC01 ?
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## message-1533813233536864356
**2026-08-03T12:26:11.747+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah
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## message-1533813778351652985
**2026-08-03T12:28:21.641+00:00 — namibj**
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The big pads are for LGA testing; the small ones are more for testing anisotropic conductive film attachment to JLC 's 1/3 oz 2L flex with it's 2~3 mil min trace/space specs, as a 1D array that can go on the edge or with care even in the middle of a die.
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## message-1533819860994359317
**2026-08-03T12:52:31.856+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@namibj : We did flip-chip in the early days of the Efabless open MPW runs, and the problem that we had was that (1) it was ridiculously expensive, and (2) it took a ridiculously long time to get done. Eventually we switched to wirebonding because it was just easier, quicker, and cheaper all around. Also I ended up with a padframe design that was good for flip-chip but suboptimal for wirebonding and we were stuck with that solution, which is still being used for wirebond packages. . . Other than that, the flip-chip solution was great! If you can figure out how to overcome the cost and delay issues, then it is definitely worth having.
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## message-1533824124814884925
**2026-08-03T13:09:28.43+00:00 — djsftree**
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Advanced Packaging Facility at University of Southampton - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICRDBpmev4o
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## message-1533824951780643029
**2026-08-03T13:12:45.594+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah that's also a potential approach.
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## message-1533825029320741118
**2026-08-03T13:13:04.081+00:00 — djsftree**
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HB100 looks awesome
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## message-1533825122136232096
**2026-08-03T13:13:26.21+00:00 — djsftree**
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## message-1533825449015119933
**2026-08-03T13:14:44.144+00:00 — djsftree**
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## message-1533826735299104788
**2026-08-03T13:19:50.818+00:00 — djsftree**
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## message-1533826771437355088
**2026-08-03T13:19:59.434+00:00 — djsftree**
- Message ID: `1533826771437355088`
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neat bit of wquipment
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## message-1533827203127574590
**2026-08-03T13:21:42.357+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Tim Edwards Oh wow, I had heard qfn was more expensive than the wlcsp and that's why were were getting 100 instead of 300 wlcsp.
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## message-1533828787375046718
**2026-08-03T13:28:00.071+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1533828787375046718`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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The set up cost is the issue in classic WLCSP services; being wafer level the unit economics are otherwise great
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## message-1533828923555840230
**2026-08-03T13:28:32.539+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1533828923555840230`
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@tnt : In theory, or at least in mass production, yes, WLCSP is cheaper. But in low quantities like we do, that's not the case. And yes, once the WLCSP is paid for, it's as easy to do 300 parts as it is to do 100, and somewhere in there the WLCSP becomes cheaper per part, but at least at Efabless we didn't have that much demand for 300+ parts per customer, and the assembly prices also add up.
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## message-1533829222941069382
**2026-08-03T13:29:43.918+00:00 — djsftree**
- Message ID: `1533829222941069382`
- Author ID: `810650258819252274`
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So it seems to me, gold stud bumping is a wire-bonder operation. It's a modified wirebonder placing and shearing a ball. Probably more complex than that but I wonder if the company that wafer space are using for wire bonding can do gold/shear balls.
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## message-1533829246957387776
**2026-08-03T13:29:49.644+00:00 — namibj**
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I'm working towards not needing the expensive parts of the traditional WLCSP processing.
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## message-1533829377794768968
**2026-08-03T13:30:20.838+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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First problem is we're dealing with Al topmetal
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## message-1533834634498937035
**2026-08-03T13:51:14.134+00:00 — namibj**
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My plan is to just electroless plate bumps up for fancier approaches than using the copper traces of the flex as the gap defining bumps.
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## message-1533843567011696791
**2026-08-03T14:26:43.811+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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wafer.space chip spotted at [HeiChips](https://heichips.github.io/)
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## message-1533844561586159759
**2026-08-03T14:30:40.936+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@namibj : I know somebody (my former boss at MultiGiG) who has a process for cheap bump bonding. He has been talking with Tim Ansell and they may be working on a solution for Wafer.Space. I don't know any details beyond that, but you should probably ask Tim Ansell about it before delving too deeply into your own solution.
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## message-1533848790082125906
**2026-08-03T14:47:29.088+00:00 — namibj**
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Ahhh, ok
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## message-1533921500233601246
**2026-08-03T19:36:24.539+00:00 — djsftree**
- Message ID: `1533921500233601246`
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- Edited: 2026-08-03T19:43:22.171+00:00
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anisotropic conductive film attachment to JLC 's 1/3 oz 2L flex -- 200 µm pitch, 74 bars, or potentional "soldering"
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## message-1533922685053309129
**2026-08-03T19:41:07.022+00:00 — djsftree**
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"electroless plate bumps up for fancier approaches than using the copper traces of the flex as the gap defining bumps" - sounds interesting too!
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## message-1533947120678211665
**2026-08-03T21:18:12.929+00:00 — namibj**
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```text
yeah; notably it hopefully opens up approaches that rely on e.g. solder mask defined pads or at least similar structures that can include vias; with ACF there's likely actually no need for solder mask as funny as that sounds, because everything is defined by bumps/surface topography
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## message-1533947438484947145
**2026-08-03T21:19:28.7+00:00 — namibj**
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notably that can integrate with the classic padframe structure in a way that you could arrange for them to get wedge bonded if after tapeout the opportunity of the specific flip chip approach dries up.
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## message-1534517712288485469
**2026-08-05T11:05:32.57+00:00 — Chips4Makers aka Staf Verhaegen (@chips4makers)**
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- Nickname: Chips4Makers aka Staf Verhaegen
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One of the disadvantages I see for WLCSP is that if you make the bond pad bump compatible in size and pitch for direct PCB bonding you limit the amount of pads/area.
At imec the packaging people were also worried about difference in thermal expansion between silicon and PCB leading to cracked joints after repeated thermal cycling of your system (e.g. turning on and off).
A more classic alternative to WLCSP is flip chip packaging with a so called substrate connecting out a tighter bump pitch to a bigger BGA pitch that is PCB compatible. I believe main NRE cost was the design of the substrate but this could be shared if we standardize the bump array on silicon. If somebody wants to investigate further, imec was using [Greatek](https://www.greatek.com.tw/index-en.html) for small volume packaging.
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## message-1534526989296341144
**2026-08-05T11:42:24.381+00:00 — namibj**
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Yeah, for the record I'm not aiming at large pitch other than perhaps some power devices to be tightly integrated with epc-co (or other's) GaN-on-silicon devices, and for density reasons typically not regular FR4.
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## message-1534596300887036097
**2026-08-05T16:17:49.552+00:00 — djsftree**
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added offscreen rendering and anti aliasing to GDS3D and a little spinn to mp4
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## message-1534596589249626202
**2026-08-05T16:18:58.303+00:00 — djsftree**
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developing the tech file for GDS3D for gf180mcud
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## message-1534626533396713623
**2026-08-05T18:17:57.544+00:00 — djsftree**
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gf180mcu_fd_io__bi_24t
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## message-1534823343570550804
**2026-08-06T07:20:00.746+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
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awesome!
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## message-1534823484079738952
**2026-08-06T07:20:34.246+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
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i've tried making one too
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## message-1534823548256780338
**2026-08-06T07:20:49.547+00:00 — судонет (@sudonet)**
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since i wanted to view mine in gds3d as well
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## message-1534937825177374933
**2026-08-06T14:54:55.288+00:00 — djsftree**
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Take a look - https://agentdavo.github.io/GDS3D/
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## message-1534943592496238826
**2026-08-06T15:17:50.324+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Wow, never realized there were so many standard cells!
Cool!
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## message-1534947536979366070
**2026-08-06T15:33:30.762+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Interesting to see the cell sizes across the libraries.
@Tholin's being the smallest
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## message-1534949003836391485
**2026-08-06T15:39:20.488+00:00 — djsftree**
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i'll look into that 🙂
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## message-1534950059710353438
**2026-08-06T15:43:32.228+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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One more request: could you look at unloading the elements that are out of view ?
It's a great website that I could see myself using but as of now it's so resource heavy that the tab crashes after I scroll down a bit.
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## message-1534950955605426339
**2026-08-06T15:47:05.826+00:00 — djsftree**
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gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3__nand2_2 - the 3.3V device is smaller
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## message-1534951258954141840
**2026-08-06T15:48:18.15+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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I was aware of that. |
Still super cool. Nice job!
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## message-1534957710666104883
**2026-08-06T16:13:56.358+00:00 — djsftree**
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done, when github pages catches up (10mins) should be ok
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## message-1534964399461368011
**2026-08-06T16:40:31.091+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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much better 👍
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## message-1534986610746196208
**2026-08-06T18:08:46.674+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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very cool visualizations!
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## message-1535008732952531095
**2026-08-06T19:36:41.019+00:00 — djsftree**
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try again in 15 mins
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## message-1535049160053620999
**2026-08-06T22:17:19.591+00:00 — djsftree**
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hopefully a little neater now
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## message-1535079235721367593
**2026-08-07T00:16:50.189+00:00 — outofnades**
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Check out my project and load some chips 🙂
https://alpharomerojl.github.io/reticle/
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## message-1535087043049295986
**2026-08-07T00:47:51.601+00:00 — djsftree**
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😀
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## message-1535180320528273428
**2026-08-07T06:58:30.685+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Neat!
Want to tell us a bit about it?
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## message-1535214096805265469
**2026-08-07T09:12:43.577+00:00 — djsftree**
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finished the redesign - take a look - https://agentdavo.github.io/GDS3D/ 703 cells across 11 libraries; 703 rendered so far.
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## message-1535214234634297364
**2026-08-07T09:13:16.438+00:00 — djsftree**
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Explode distance is scaled per library: the offset is absolute in microns, so the value that suits a 350 µm I/O pad would throw a 3 µm standard cell off screen.
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## message-1535214580463173633
**2026-08-07T09:14:38.89+00:00 — djsftree**
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if you tap on a video a modal pops up with LEF and Liberty info
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## message-1535340642799067166
**2026-08-07T17:35:34.493+00:00 — namibj**
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well, thin oxide DRCs + 7-track.....
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**2026-08-07T18:17:16.371+00:00 — namibj**
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I believe under our circumstances we should likely be free to do a modular bond-out substrate that can hold a full die or a half-die; depending on precision and need for gaps and how wide the dice line is (I fear it's not actually a positive width, if we're doing guided crystal fracture to split the substrate bulk), it could even be feasible to co-package two half dies in the space of a full die (I think some here have been working on chiplet/transputer like arrangements).
I have to focus on the SerDes getting onto IHP SG13CMOS5L now though; reason being that silicon being sponsored and that porcess being not unlikely so much faster that I could pull off 25G with the exact same analog frontend topology that would do 10G on gf180mcuD.
And hopefully we can have a silicon-tested/SPICE-extraction-calibrated thin oxide SCL on gf180mcuD by the time the finalization of data path widths happens for the SerDes instance that I hope to get onto Run4.
Because I do quite want to have "reasonable" confidence in the SCL part not being the reason the SerDes fails to reach protocol speeds, and especially on the larger gf180mcuD I feel like overly wide datapaths on the SCL side would have substantial potential for dragging it all towards "large area need, PA not even included".
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## message-1535354743864430703
**2026-08-07T18:31:36.449+00:00 — djsftree**
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have a transputer t9000 inspired fpu with mxfp4, q8, and some t&l ops running at 50mhz on gf180
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## message-1535355060769259642
**2026-08-07T18:32:52.005+00:00 — djsftree**
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## message-1535355176028864602
**2026-08-07T18:33:19.485+00:00 — djsftree**
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linux 7 , tinycc transputer compiler
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## message-1535364089923117186
**2026-08-07T19:08:44.723+00:00 — djsftree**
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added a dl mp4 button of the vid if you want to use for educationals.
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## message-1535364198798983288
**2026-08-07T19:09:10.681+00:00 — djsftree**
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https://agentdavo.github.io/GDS3D/
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## message-1535400057506111608
**2026-08-07T21:31:40.063+00:00 — djsftree**
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serdes on gf180mcuD would be great, or low freq multiphase ddr3 like interface 1.5V power domain optimised.
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## message-1535414810651533364
**2026-08-07T22:30:17.487+00:00 — namibj**
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Well you're not along on the SerDes wish; do you have any preference as to the TX or the RX if you'd only get one or if both being the same level of fast would be way more expensive than only one being truly fast and the other direction running considerably slower?
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## message-1535464541109092352
**2026-08-08T01:47:54.152+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@djsftree stuff under my personal repo are experiments that are not always connected to reality in any way.
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## message-1535465179536564234
**2026-08-08T01:50:26.365+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Only Al bonds at the moment. @stuart is your person for custom wire bonding contracts.
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## message-1535761106830753833
**2026-08-08T21:26:20.93+00:00 — Archit3ch (@archit3ch)**
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Looking at the quarter slot. Is there an option for wire bonding e.g. only 1/5th of the dies and paying $300?
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## message-1535808853751500810
**2026-08-09T00:36:04.683+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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There is a fixed cost with doing things at the moment that means it isn't really possible. I'm trying to work with a number of PCBA houses so they can do wire bonding following standard templates as part of normal PCBA through their website and such. @stuart and @Lauri are helping figure out that.
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## message-1535812845009117194
**2026-08-09T00:51:56.273+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The eventual hope is that I can ship your parts direct to a place like NextPCB and they do what ever wire bonding you want in an even more cost effective manner.
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## message-1535965035858497597
**2026-08-09T10:56:41.399+00:00 — Archit3ch (@archit3ch)**
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Do let me know if that service becomes available before the run 3 deadline (or I guess before the slots run out). Even as a one-off agreement with the PCBA houses before you roll out the service for everyone.
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## message-1536177297340502086
**2026-08-10T01:00:08.48+00:00 — djsftree**
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https://agentdavo.github.io/GDS3D/index3d.html — actual pdk data now, using custom webgl2 renderer 😁 can also cooy a modal url to share or embed
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## message-1536285047341064215
**2026-08-10T08:08:18.082+00:00 — djsftree**
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## message-1536313825391804516
**2026-08-10T10:02:39.304+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Okay, I am also intending to make more updates to my SCL for run 3. Suggestions?
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**2026-08-10T10:04:21.012+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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My personal goal is it to finish some missing oai parts and then see what’s missing to get it to work with vlsiffra
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## message-1536322825445580890
**2026-08-10T10:38:25.084+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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A clock gate?
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## message-1536322932710838394
**2026-08-10T10:38:50.658+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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How do those work? Is it like a latch?
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## message-1536323207731089429
**2026-08-10T10:39:56.228+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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The sky130 cell has a schematic: https://sky130-unofficial.readthedocs.io/en/latest/contents/libraries/sky130_fd_sc_hd/cells/dlclkp/README.html
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**2026-08-10T10:41:58.778+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Basically a latch plus making sure there aren't any glitches
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## message-1536323741275914322
**2026-08-10T10:42:03.435+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Ah, the enable signal is synched to the clock
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**2026-08-10T10:42:30.356+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I don’t think I’ll be able to characterize that
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## message-1536323935090778162
**2026-08-10T10:42:49.644+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Beyond propagation delay with the gate enabled
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## message-1536325679988080703
**2026-08-10T10:49:45.66+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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A clock gate would definitely be nice, even if it's not properly characterized yet.
Also, I heard a new open-source characterization tool is coming out soon. I'll let you know once I know more.
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## message-1536328052735348767
**2026-08-10T10:59:11.367+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m pretty happy with lctime since it actually lets me automate it
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## message-1536328228833333328
**2026-08-10T10:59:53.352+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But all the characterization tools so far lack the ability to automatically determine the maximum capacitive load on a cell to keep within a max transition constraint.
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## message-1536328267571666995
**2026-08-10T11:00:02.588+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its the one remaining manual step for me.
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## message-1536356413729931355
**2026-08-10T12:51:53.155+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Can I have multiple power domains using the foundry IO pads? Like, can I insert breakers to have a single isolated VDD pad?
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**2026-08-10T12:52:17.083+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I do not know how to do this, but its the one puzzle piece I’m missing currently to get started on my submission
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## message-1536356547280773211
**2026-08-10T12:52:24.996+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Fallback would be using an analog pad for that supply
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## message-1536360217288122388
**2026-08-10T13:06:59.994+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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To clarify: I know the __brk macros exist, I just don’t know how to instantiate them
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## message-1536363011436978258
**2026-08-10T13:18:06.171+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Any reason you want to use that rather than using an analog pad ?
The downsides is you're breaking your ring ...
The upside is you don't have diodes to IO supply ...
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## message-1536363164210438194
**2026-08-10T13:18:42.595+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The two digital input pads tied related to that supply
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## message-1536363169381875732
**2026-08-10T13:18:43.828+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yeah!
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## message-1536363330032111676
**2026-08-10T13:19:22.13+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Ah so it's not just a voltage input you want to actually supply some IO pads off that supply. Got it.
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## message-1536363330912915466
**2026-08-10T13:19:22.34+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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And an output
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## message-1536363386454020126
**2026-08-10T13:19:35.582+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I need break -> VDD -> input -> input -> output -> break
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## message-1536363932573241375
**2026-08-10T13:21:45.787+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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You might want a ground pad there too.
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## message-1536364440671363192
**2026-08-10T13:23:46.927+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Because although the brk doesn't break `VSS`, it does break `DVSS`. And yeah, those are eventually electrically connected in the foundry IO, but then your ESD path to ground (and low drive too) takes a very long path instead of the very strong `DVSS` connections.
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## message-1536365275518210068
**2026-08-10T13:27:05.97+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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As so how to use them, I'd just instanciate them in the verilog and then use a custom pad placement script to get those instance and put them in the right spot. At least that's how I would try it.
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## message-1536368548065312879
**2026-08-10T13:40:06.206+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, LibreLane's default padring generation script treats the breaker cell just like any other I/O cell and tries to space everything equidistant. So a custom padring script makes sense.
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## message-1536370391935746211
**2026-08-10T13:47:25.819+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I need to be careful not to break compatibility with the COB check
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## message-1536370417260957738
**2026-08-10T13:47:31.857+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I don’t even know what all that one checks for
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## message-1536375773118861403
**2026-08-10T14:08:48.793+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Huh, that was easier to figure out than I thought. I got two breakers, right where I need them.
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## message-1536375861358628964
**2026-08-10T14:09:09.831+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Its a bit jank, I hardcoded where it places them
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## message-1536375897412730990
**2026-08-10T14:09:18.427+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But I got it
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## message-1536376021924839474
**2026-08-10T14:09:48.113+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Okay, so, ground will *not* be broken up, effectively? That is good news, actually.
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## message-1536376605738532904
**2026-08-10T14:12:07.305+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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If the COB check checks for the locations of ground AND power pads, I might have issues with laying things out efficiently later down the line, but I can make it work.
If it’ll throw a fuss at me inserting *additional* power pads, that would be a problem.
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## message-1536380300266049548
**2026-08-10T14:26:48.149+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Tholin Huh ... "not broken up" but you really want a ground pad for things to work
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## message-1536382092085174482
**2026-08-10T14:33:55.352+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Ground should be common between the two circuits on this die
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## message-1536382238760112260
**2026-08-10T14:34:30.322+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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The CoB checks only verifies the passiviation openings - what they bond to doesn't matter.
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## message-1536383553062047814
**2026-08-10T14:39:43.676+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But isn’t ground and/or power tied to a copper plane on the breakout board?
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## message-1536383663124783204
**2026-08-10T14:40:09.917+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So I *practically* can’t move those without creating shorts.
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## message-1536385191466107011
**2026-08-10T14:46:14.302+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
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The COB as it stands, ground are tied together.
power are all separate, *but* they all each have a decoupling cap on the wire.
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## message-1536385905596702720
**2026-08-10T14:49:04.564+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Alright, so I can move the power pads
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## message-1536389680193601566
**2026-08-10T15:04:04.498+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I finished pinout planning and setting up the padring just as I’m informed there are barely any quarter slots and I’d have better chances with a horizontal half-width
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## message-1536389689806950461
**2026-08-10T15:04:06.79+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1536389689806950461`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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a!
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## message-1536390586813382758
**2026-08-10T15:07:40.653+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1536390586813382758`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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The 1 by 0.5 doesn’t have the power and ground pads placed as conveniently as the 0.5 by 0.5
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## message-1536391209038389311
**2026-08-10T15:10:09.003+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1536391209038389311`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Oh what? It got rid of all my beautiful markings on export.
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## message-1536391501624385596
**2026-08-10T15:11:18.761+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1536391501624385596`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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You see how that works perfectly, right?
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## message-1536392928958619648
**2026-08-10T15:16:59.064+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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On 1 by 0.5, the longest run of non-ground pads is this, which splits the die into thirds.
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## message-1536393014145064962
**2026-08-10T15:17:19.374+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Although this would be able to switch more current
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## message-1536393497580412969
**2026-08-10T15:19:14.634+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Probably an unhealthy amount, so that’s not really the goal
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## message-1536400169858375700
**2026-08-10T15:45:45.429+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Well, lets try this, I suppose
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## message-1536405198812225577
**2026-08-10T16:05:44.425+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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For ws-run 3, there will probably be 9 quarter slots again. But since they can now be purchased, they may get used up quickly. True.
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## message-1536416243760762972
**2026-08-10T16:49:37.746+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1536416243760762972`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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Buffers that are designed to maintain duty-cycle (thus preventing long paths from swallowing up short/fast pulses?
The TSP-DFF you had looked at?
And, importantly, getting some proper full characterization work going including characterized static power, and maybe adding some less-conservative "ss/sf/ff/fs" corners that aim at something like 70~90% yield (looking only at global process variations for that figure; treatment of other process variations would still be done the normal way, and this is IMO basically about being able to plan for a less-ambitious yield of extended-temperature-and-voltage-range chips while still checking the normal ways that full yield is expected if the chips are treated as "limited temperature range, and needs a voltage supply better than a 7805-grade", by basically accepting that with some acceptable risk the devices built from the chips would need to employ an actual heat sink for the chip, perhaps even a fan, and would need a fancier-than-baseline power supply).
I believe Xyce's intrusive-PCE and/or embedded-sampling would work effectively and affordably for this number of fingers/devices in a DUT, for getting statistically confident and reasonably-tight bounds on mismatch-induced variations in any given cell's delays, so that OpenSTA may appropriately consider the limited predictability of gate delays when figuring whether a PnR "solution" will work out.
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## message-1536417373186162769
**2026-08-10T16:54:07.022+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The clock buffers are supposed to be delay-balanced
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## message-1536451388161265725
**2026-08-10T19:09:16.824+00:00 — namibj**
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@azonenberg can you send @Tim Edwards the information on what hardware measuring/testing equipment abilities you _do_ have for the multi-gigabit Ser[Des] we're proposing like _right now_ for IHP SG13CMOS5L? Sorry to be so sudden, I forgot it was part of what's technically the "proposal deadline affected information-to-file".
I'm expecting your scope to suffice to do appropriate reasonably representative BER measurements with the CDR shoved into ngacopeclient such that we can cope with the TX Baudrate being set by a non-PLL-governed VCO? Like I expect that to cause substantial amounts of low-frequency FM far out of the normal +-100ppm of BASE-R, but that's not gonna be a problem, right?
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## message-1536452128980078602
**2026-08-10T19:12:13.449+00:00 — azonenberg**
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The vendor CDR package lets you tweak the bandwidth of the loop pretty flexibly
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## message-1536452245548171284
**2026-08-10T19:12:41.241+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the ngscopeclient CDR is not currently tunable, but has wide bandwidth and will track low frequency jitter or spread spectrum no problem
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**2026-08-10T19:13:11.672+00:00 — azonenberg**
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i actually use it all the time to measure the stability of a clock signal
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**2026-08-10T19:13:34.563+00:00 — azonenberg**
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like, i can lock my soft PLL to the input data and recover the clock then plot frequency over time with some smoothing to measure drift in the source oscillator
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**2026-08-10T19:14:32.723+00:00 — azonenberg**
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the bigger question is, for *real* use, how much noise a real e.g. FPGA based receiver can tolerate. but if the goal is just to validate the driver, it'll work no problem
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**2026-08-10T19:15:08.612+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Equipment wise I have a teledyne lecroy SDA816Zi-A with probes including but not limited to D1605, D1330, D420-A, D420
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**2026-08-10T19:15:29.438+00:00 — azonenberg**
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and a MultiLane ML4039 BERT that may or may not be able to lock to the signal depending on how stable the clock is
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**2026-08-10T19:15:46.907+00:00 — azonenberg**
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if you are able to output a 1/32, i think, rate reference clock it will help the BERT track it
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## message-1536456212982398976
**2026-08-10T19:28:27.151+00:00 — namibj**
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For real use one would add a PLL to it, that's just one more thing to go wrong and result in the IHP chips being DOA (for the high speed TX).
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## message-1536456334004977734
**2026-08-10T19:28:56.005+00:00 — azonenberg**
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yeah makes sense
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## message-1536456469179011163
**2026-08-10T19:29:28.233+00:00 — azonenberg**
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Could you possibly add a divided vco clock out and expose the vco control voltage so it would be possible (but not mandatory) to close the loop externally?
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**2026-08-10T19:34:56.819+00:00 — namibj**
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We expect a `Baud/512~Baud/64` divided reference feed for the hopefully-deadline-meeting RX, with an off-die CDR getting provided edge sampler information via GPIOs (if I can DDR and ofc relative to that reference clock fed in), where the on-die PLL only does simple stupid integer-PLL and the synthesizer of this reference clock has to take care of possibly even bit-slipping until the PRBS receiver accepts it (not sure if it's sensitive if it's parallelized).
Because I figured we don't actually have to do any of the hard parts of CDR on-die just to make this _testable._
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**2026-08-10T19:35:56.349+00:00 — namibj**
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I'm fully expecting such to be included, at sufficient quality to at least make testing not-hard.
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## message-1536459405430624356
**2026-08-10T19:41:08.29+00:00 — azonenberg**
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I specifically say 1/32 because i believe that is what the BERT needs (I'd have to double check but i'm ~95% sure it's 1/32)
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**2026-08-10T19:41:21.813+00:00 — azonenberg**
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so if i get exactly that, the bert is in play
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**2026-08-10T19:41:25.418+00:00 — azonenberg**
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if not, i can only use the scope
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**2026-08-10T19:41:33.813+00:00 — azonenberg**
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(for the TX)
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**2026-08-10T21:04:00.9+00:00 — namibj**
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@azonenberg
Maybe the RX PLL can even be connected to the TX VCO/clock tree, we'll see.
First we do a simple TX and when there's a DRC clean layout for it that has at least 30% yield for "good", and 80% yield for "testable", _only then_ do we put any substantial design effort into any fancy FIR, beyond-trivial pad capacitance matching/compensation, and ESPECIALLY any RX design, at least anything beyond trying to vaguely understand sensitivity time window for a strong arm latch implementation on that very process (as that strongly guides planning of how small of an UI to aim for in the RX, and it's area requirements gonna give a substantial hint on how large/compact the analog circuity would roughly be and from that whether it may fit into the same slot as the TX or whether it would need it's own slot to reach any comfy good performance/TX-matching-speed).
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## message-1536480439143899248
**2026-08-10T21:04:43.118+00:00 — namibj**
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Could so with an external frequency synthesizer for ya 😄
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## message-1536495821955141784
**2026-08-10T22:05:50.666+00:00 — namibj**
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I'm thinking like +-5% drift in Baud rate due to hard-to-prevent temperature variations from airflow variations as you're reaching around the DUT on the bench (fiddling with the test gear stacked at the back of the workbench, or anything vaguely like it that explains some good thermal drift if a frequency is more manually adjusted through e.g. a zoomed-in spectrum analyzer on a 1:10 power divider (needs only a little bit of signal 😉 ) and a hand occasionally reaching for the know of the bench top PSU.
Or something 😄
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## message-1536498350080139416
**2026-08-10T22:15:53.418+00:00 — namibj**
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I'm confident a reasonable PLL implemented later is not hard to analytically adjust the jitter-vs.-frequency (UI_pk-pk vs. frequency) effects of the observed free running VCO of, to know if that particular PLL option would bring the TX jitter spectrum into compliance with 802.3.
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## message-1536500856562909387
**2026-08-10T22:25:51.01+00:00 — namibj**
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You're not _mandated_ to short the pad opening's exposed metal of a COB's "ground pad" to anything particular inside.... just in case you thought otherwise.
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## message-1536560402081644554
**2026-08-11T02:22:27.768+00:00 — azonenberg**
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5% drift would be tricky if it's short term. 0.5% i could probably handle? I've never actually tested how far i can push the PLL. but also over what time horizon
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## message-1536560524136030209
**2026-08-11T02:22:56.868+00:00 — azonenberg**
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like it would be pretty easy to just grab a single waveform at a time and track whatever baud rate its running at and assume thermal drift over that 1ms window is negligible
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## message-1536562846916411394
**2026-08-11T02:32:10.662+00:00 — namibj**
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oh yeah that 5% if more over like 10s timescales or thereabouts, it's more a concern with a CDR PLL perhaps utilizing a relatively narrow-band pre-filter for the rate it's looking out for, and thus "keeping itself" from actually-following the signal, or perhaps just initially failing to find a lock in the first place.
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## message-1536563147593359481
**2026-08-11T02:33:22.349+00:00 — azonenberg**
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on a per-capture basis i can change the nominal rate in software. If we are talking to a hardware device, it's an issue
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## message-1536571746184863865
**2026-08-11T03:07:32.413+00:00 — namibj**
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At that point might as well point a thunderscope at it and spectrum-analyzer find the sub-harmonic of the baud rate where some relevant lower speed pattern content exists, like the 805.664062 megahertz of the 25GBASE-R's 64b/66b blocks that include their oh-so-important sync header.
But yeah, I do not expect it to need to run free for testing, I think it can be used with an external PLL to be properly tested with "normal" gear.
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