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# #📝-project-template
Category: **📐 - Designing**
Channel ID: `1423348662318272592`
Messages: **1,521**
## message-1423349035892478074
**2025-10-02T16:40:54.703+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1423349035892478074`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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**Content**
```text
📢 Major update to the [gf180mcu-project-template](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template)!
The example design now runs through the complete flow, including:
- Sealring insertion
- Filler generation
... and is DRC and LVS clean, according to the open source PDK.
There is now also a [cocotb](https://www.cocotb.org/) testbench available in the repository. We use the newly released cocotb 2.0.0.
You can run RTL as well as GL simulations, after implementing the design.
To ensure your design will be accepted for tapeout, you will be able to run the [gf180mcu-precheck](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck).
At the moment it is still a work in progress.
Further updates will follow, but you can use the current state as a stable basis for implementing your design.
If you encounter any issues, please report them so that we can improve both the template and the PDK.
PS: Special thanks to @Tim Edwards for his help in solving the uncovered PDK and tool-related issues.
Leo
```
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## message-1423350222997815368
**2025-10-02T16:45:37.731+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1423350222997815368`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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Tim Edwards has only barely begun to address all the issues that have surfaced over the past few weeks. . .
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## message-1423350882266910891
**2025-10-02T16:48:14.913+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1423350882266910891`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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Its that bad?
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## message-1423351030476705955
**2025-10-02T16:48:50.249+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Haha, I also have to upstream a number of LibreLane related patches 😄
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## message-1423351582279467058
**2025-10-02T16:51:01.809+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1423351582279467058`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
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Also I forgot to mention that it is now possible to adjust the padring directly from the LibreLane configuration file.
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## message-1423356248396529729
**2025-10-02T17:09:34.298+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1423370092233756862
**2025-10-02T18:04:34.926+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1423370092233756862`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1423370092233756862
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```text
@Tholin : Well, it means there's a lot to do if we want people to have successful tapeouts.
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## message-1423371509937733744
**2025-10-02T18:10:12.933+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1423371509937733744`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1423371509937733744
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Bad time for me to be designing analog layouts?
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## message-1423372893454340157
**2025-10-02T18:15:42.789+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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**Content**
```text
@Tholin : Great time for you to be designing analog layouts! That will help flush out a lot of issues. Make sure that you spot-check designs against the documented rules occasionally and let me know about anything that looks wrong. Feel free to post a layout to me if you want me to double-check it for issues.
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## message-1423373178717081751
**2025-10-02T18:16:50.801+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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See what @Tim Edwards said! 🙂
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## message-1423374124025380885
**2025-10-02T18:20:36.18+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Alright, sounds good.
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## message-1423374134691233884
**2025-10-02T18:20:38.723+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I'll keep going.
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## message-1423839895746777170
**2025-10-04T01:11:24.812+00:00 — Evansika (@xintingjiang_36756)**
- Message ID: `1423839895746777170`
- Author ID: `1413605821430104114`
- Nickname: Evansika
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- Edited: 2025-10-04T01:15:52.438+00:00
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I'm curious what is the current problem of this template, is this made the nov gf180 mpw shuttle
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## message-1423843050928734371
**2025-10-04T01:23:57.066+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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**Content**
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@Evansika - It should be usable but just keep it up to date as you go.
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## message-1423936630435348600
**2025-10-04T07:35:48.159+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1423936630435348600`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
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```text
Exactly. You can already get started with your design, just make sure to keep it up to date with the upstream template.
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## message-1426404329589440582
**2025-10-11T03:01:33.485+00:00 — asc (@asc9742)**
- Message ID: `1426404329589440582`
- Author ID: `378788837452677120`
- Nickname: asc
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```text
@Leo Moser (mole99) Hi Leo, I am trying to replace all 56 user pads with analog pads (gf180mcu_fd_io_asig_5p0). Got this error "No shape in terminal analog[0\].pad/ASIG5V found on layer Metal5". Any ideas on this issue? Attached a screenshot + the yaml and system verilog files.
```
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## message-1426484568977969203
**2025-10-11T08:20:24.046+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1426484568977969203`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
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Hi @asc, there was a port missing for the bondpad BTerm in the `gf180mcu_fd_io__asig_5p0` cell.
If you update your PDK, it should run through now.
```
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## message-1426613389794218025
**2025-10-11T16:52:17.322+00:00 — asc (@asc9742)**
- Message ID: `1426613389794218025`
- Author ID: `378788837452677120`
- Nickname: asc
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- Type: `Default`
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Thank you @Leo Moser (mole99) Ran into a new problem with the global routing. I had exchanged all user pads with analog pads, including the clk and rst pad. Could that be causing an issue?
```
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## message-1426802036200177767
**2025-10-12T05:21:54.13+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, that will be a problem. The SDC expects at least one clock. Can you share a repository with your current state? I will take a look tomorrow.
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## message-1427264381766602849
**2025-10-13T11:59:05.903+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1428379167623483543
**2025-10-16T13:48:51.563+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1428379167623483543`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
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**Content**
```text
The [precheck](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck) has been updated to finish cleanly with the example project.
The precheck is your gateway to fabrication and will need to be completed via the online platform (coming soon).
You can, of course, run it locally to more easily debug failures.
If you are working on a design, please give it a try and let us know how it goes (SRAMs should still throw errors, that's being worked on next).
Most importantly: please let us know if you can "cheat" your way through the precheck 😉
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## message-1428383834310705192
**2025-10-16T14:07:24.188+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) I just updated my project with the changes from the template and since one of the commits reads "Update LibreLane", I tried running LL on example_project again to see if the error during GLB is gone. Instead, it now fails even earlier during STA.
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## message-1428390852098785294
**2025-10-16T14:35:17.359+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1428484368317288482
**2025-10-16T20:46:53.363+00:00 — Alf (@jalf_47390)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) Is there any ESD protection in the IO pins in the template or is it required to be added? If it is in there already, what did you include? Same for all pins differences between them?
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## message-1428607551213146212
**2025-10-17T04:56:22.454+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1429637487839412244
**2025-10-20T01:08:58.481+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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**Content**
```text
how much memory does the `make librelane` step need (roughly)? I fired up an old linux laptop to play around with everything and it crashed after eating 16gb RAM + 4gb swap 🙂 Curious if I should just increase swap and let it run, or if it really needs like 32 or 64gb?
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## message-1429680116857835631
**2025-10-20T03:58:22.031+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1429680116857835631`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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**Content**
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more swap did the trick 🙂
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## message-1429718961460740197
**2025-10-20T06:32:43.306+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1429718961460740197`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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**Content**
```text
It depends on your design 😁
Yesterday, I implemented the example template on my laptop, which also has 16 GB of RAM, and it had to use swap as well.
The step that uses the most memory atm is most likely the filler generation.
There you can easily trade off memory consumption by changing the number of tiles (threads) and their size.
I will add some LibreLane configuration variables so that this can be easily tweaked directly from the config.
In the meantime, you can pass the `--jobs` argument to LibreLane to limit the global thread limit across all steps.
```
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## message-1429736124485468221
**2025-10-20T07:40:55.29+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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Never mind, none of that will be necessary anymore 😅
I've just fixed an embarrassing bug in the filler generation script: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/commit/57a5725eb4a722cb148ff8cf84c5f22ce0be8d64
Now, filler generation uses only a fraction of the memory and completes much faster.
Always double check how functions are supposed to be used (the naming actually said it all 😄).
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## message-1429736638183112796
**2025-10-20T07:42:57.765+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
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📢 Please update your project templates and pull the latest changes from the PDK!
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## message-1429829395748618331
**2025-10-20T13:51:32.892+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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**Content**
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awesome, thanks @Leo Moser (mole99)!
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## message-1429956671538462871
**2025-10-20T22:17:17.805+00:00 — Matt Venn (@mattvenn)**
- Message ID: `1429956671538462871`
- Author ID: `492702620759228416`
- Nickname: Matt Venn
- User name: mattvenn
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```text
when will the submission system be open?
```
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## message-1430078825949302794
**2025-10-21T06:22:41.686+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
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That's for @Tim 'mithro' Ansell to say.
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## message-1430116857746165913
**2025-10-21T08:53:49.173+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Matt Venn - Hopefully in the next week.
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## message-1432095138141966388
**2025-10-26T19:54:47.974+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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That's quite a lot of VDD and VSS pads on the template. Like 10 each. That seems a bit excessive. What is the max current per pad?
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## message-1432199781006184589
**2025-10-27T02:50:36.777+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1432199929308381245
**2025-10-27T02:51:12.135+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Tholin - That was from @tnt in the #📦-cob channel.
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## message-1432280680670298132
**2025-10-27T08:12:04.76+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1432280680670298132`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Ah, I see. Thank you.
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## message-1434260033691980037
**2025-11-01T19:17:19.295+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434260033691980037`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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Getting some *extreme* hold violations when integrating a macro into chip_top that is not present when hardening the macro itself. Checking the logs, the worst slack is simply from the reset pad.
```
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## message-1434261004640059584
**2025-11-01T19:21:10.787+00:00 — Mark Anderson (@markemer)**
- Message ID: `1434261004640059584`
- Author ID: `323874444344950794`
- Nickname: Mark Anderson
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Is that in ns? If so, oof. And could it be a bad capacitance extraction on the pads themselves?
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## message-1434262926935588874
**2025-11-01T19:28:49.098+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1434262926935588874`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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That's probably because the macro has its own clock tree. So the clock that its internal FF sees is delayed by many ns compared to the clock on its input pin.
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## message-1434263095223783486
**2025-11-01T19:29:29.221+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1434263095223783486`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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If the CTS inside your top level project isn't setup to feed the macro an "early clock" (i.e. from the root of its clock tree instead of a leaf), that could explain why you see so many hold violations.
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## message-1434263338614915323
**2025-11-01T19:30:27.25+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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(Just a theory of course ... can't do more than theorize without more data)
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## message-1434267229641380091
**2025-11-01T19:45:54.943+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434267229641380091`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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```text
```
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## message-1434267241695940679
**2025-11-01T19:45:57.817+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434267241695940679`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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I don't have a repo for this yet
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## message-1434267407622602912
**2025-11-01T19:46:37.377+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434267407622602912`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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There is no CTS in the top level
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## message-1434267463641464953
**2025-11-01T19:46:50.733+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434267463641464953`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Actually, there is no standard cells in the top level
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## message-1434267496206176286
**2025-11-01T19:46:58.497+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434267496206176286`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Just macros
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## message-1434285105123295467
**2025-11-01T20:56:56.79+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434285105123295467`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I guess this calls for a custom SDC file. I started by copying the SDC file provided by efabless for user project macros and will progressively modify it.
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## message-1434309402193563881
**2025-11-01T22:33:29.663+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Literally nothing I do is changing the hold violations. Its refusing to budge.
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## message-1434577038181662871
**2025-11-02T16:16:59.055+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Almost got it. Commit soon. Just trying to clean up my SDC file.
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## message-1434577181945626694
**2025-11-02T16:17:33.331+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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```text
What’s the point of `set_driving_cell`? Does it automatically determine slew rates and delays, or do I still need to specify those manually?
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## message-1434583563667378278
**2025-11-02T16:42:54.852+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434583563667378278`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Doesn’t matter. I cannot `set_driving_cell -lib_cell gf180mcu_fd_io__bi_24t` inside my macro SDC files anyways:
```
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## message-1434605559377825935
**2025-11-02T18:10:19.038+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1434605559377825935`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Do you use the LibreLane version from the template or [this branch](https://github.com/librelane/librelane/pull/806)?
Otherwise the pad cells are not read in.
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## message-1434607148691750922
**2025-11-02T18:16:37.96+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434607148691750922`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I cannot use the LibreLane version from the template for my macros. Python error.
```
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## message-1434607243642404976
**2025-11-02T18:17:00.598+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434607243642404976`
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I mean, the PDK Version
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## message-1434607507182977086
**2025-11-02T18:18:03.431+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434607507182977086`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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The error during GPL I reported before persists, so I cannot use the LibreLane version.
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## message-1434608290259664957
**2025-11-02T18:21:10.131+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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But I also don’t understand what `set_driving_cell` even does. Right now my approach has been to determine values to set on `set_input_delay` , `set_clock_latency`, `set_input_transition` and `set_clock_transition` by manually interpreting the values in the liberty files for the IO pads.
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## message-1434608455112589353
**2025-11-02T18:21:49.435+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434608455112589353`
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Except when it comes to the internal bus inside the chip, where I have to rely on STA for numbers.
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## message-1434608875151163474
**2025-11-02T18:23:29.58+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Actually, it seems fine now, at least on this one macro, but there is still a big difference in behavior.
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## message-1434609128352907403
**2025-11-02T18:24:29.948+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434609128352907403`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I just got to `Stage 37 - Resizer Timing Optimizations (Post-Clock Tree Synthesis)` on this CPU macro and on Iteration 0 its starting with a TNS of **-5042** compared to main librelane, where I got -250.
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## message-1434609145411145881
**2025-11-02T18:24:34.015+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I changed nothing about the config.
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## message-1434609175060807761
**2025-11-02T18:24:41.084+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Just switched LL versions.
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## message-1434623827673088214
**2025-11-02T19:22:54.539+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1434623827673088214`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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- Edited: 2025-11-02T19:23:05.27+00:00
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Yeah, I’m getting severe performance degradation in the wafer.space template LL version in two ways. The timings of the design are worse, and also the flows take forever to run. After one hour, it is still stuck in Timing Optimizations. This whole flow used to take < 15 minutes. @Leo Moser (mole99)
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## message-1434699626266628247
**2025-11-03T00:24:06.332+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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@Leo Moser (mole99) This page linked in the README of the template no longer exists.
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## message-1434699690670293082
**2025-11-03T00:24:21.687+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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```
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## message-1434803442999758869
**2025-11-03T07:16:38.17+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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The wafer.space gf180mcu PDK requires the LibreLane version in the template (or from the branch).
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## message-1434803668594458634
**2025-11-03T07:17:31.956+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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The issue is still open at OpenROAD's side: https://github.com/The-OpenROAD-Project/OpenROAD/issues/8229
However, as mentioned before, you can simply disable timing driven placement.
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## message-1434803878431428668
**2025-11-03T07:18:21.985+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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`set_driving_cell` automates exactly that. It takes the values directly from the LIB.
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## message-1434804194950385685
**2025-11-03T07:19:37.449+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Thanks for reminding me. The LibreLane docs have recently been updated.
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## message-1434817588004651058
**2025-11-03T08:12:50.602+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Thank you. I could find 0 information about this command online.
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## message-1434820197088235530
**2025-11-03T08:23:12.656+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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## message-1435004359841681409
**2025-11-03T20:35:00.478+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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**Content**
````text
This is the ✨ magic ✨ line for the `gf180mcu_fd_ip_sram__sram512x8m8wm1` SRAM:
```
add_pdn_stripe -grid macro -layer Metal4 -width 2.36 -offset 1.18 -spacing 0.28 -pitch 426.86 -starts_with GROUND -number_of_straps 2
```
It adds a power/ground pair on each side of the SRAM macro, directly above the pins. Since this uses the local coordinate system of the macro, you can move the macro around as you wish, the PDN straps will follow. As the PDN straps go all the way across the macro, connecting them to the PDN above is very easy.
````
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## message-1435004439797956719
**2025-11-03T20:35:19.541+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1435004487654969427
**2025-11-03T20:35:30.951+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1435004487654969427`
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## message-1435004532836008006
**2025-11-03T20:35:41.723+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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````text
If you rotate the SRAM by 90 or 270 degrees, you need to use this line:
```
add_pdn_stripe -grid sram_macros_WE -layer Metal4 -width 2.36 -offset 1.18 -spacing 0.28 -pitch 479.88 -starts_with GROUND -number_of_straps 2
```
Unfortunately, the connection to VSS is not as good on the right side. It is better to use the first orientation.
Don't forget the PDN connect:
```
add_pdn_connect \
-grid macro \
-layers "$::env(PDN_VERTICAL_LAYER) Metal3"
```
````
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## message-1435004562065850599
**2025-11-03T20:35:48.692+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1435004601316151296
**2025-11-03T20:35:58.05+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1435004601316151296`
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Now I just need to make magic DRC happy, and then I can push the the example usage of the SRAM to the template repo.
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## message-1435004633788715160
**2025-11-03T20:36:05.792+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Awesome
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## message-1435004753900732638
**2025-11-03T20:36:34.429+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I re-used my setup from GFMPW with a wrapper macro for the SRAM that just added the Metal4 strips.
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## message-1435004839334641674
**2025-11-03T20:36:54.798+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Which is not optimal
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## message-1435005053751525518
**2025-11-03T20:37:45.919+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Well, if I remember correctly, Efabless used your solution too :)
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## message-1435005104637087744
**2025-11-03T20:37:58.051+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yeah. That’s where I got it from.
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## message-1435007091634081833
**2025-11-03T20:45:51.788+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1435507284083216394
**2025-11-05T05:53:26.961+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
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````text
I've setup a new system following the readme. And then just run the stock template as a sanity check, it does complete. But I'm seeing KLayout DRC errors. (along with timing/cap/slew warnings at some corners)
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...
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Is this expected? Or does it indicate something I should debug with my environment first?
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## message-1435533621879636013
**2025-11-05T07:38:06.381+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1435939978277289994
**2025-11-06T10:32:49.296+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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**Content**
```text
📢 It's update time!
The project template has been updated with support for the foundry SRAMs!
Two SRAMs of type `sram512x8m8wm1` are instantiated in `chip_core` and placed inside the chip in two different orientations (north and east).
If you add more SRAMs, make sure to update the LibreLane config (`librelane/config.yaml`) and the PDN configuration (`librelane/pdn_cfg.tcl`).
In addition, an issue has been fixed with filler generation, the way how the KLayout DRC deck was invoked (connectivity rules), and an error in the seal ring generator. With these changes the template is now DRC clean for both the magic and KLayout DRC deck.
Furthermore, the design is LVS clean and the there are no setup and hold violations for this example.
Please update your projects to the latest template, and don't forget to update the PDK as well (`make clone-pdk`).
Let me know if you have any questions.
```
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## message-1436124590433898517
**2025-11-06T22:46:24.264+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1436124590433898517`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-06T22:46:28.404+00:00
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Updated my AS2650v2 wafer.space port to use the new method for instantiating SRAMs.
```
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## message-1436124616027541604
**2025-11-06T22:46:30.366+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Works!
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## message-1436230350459113503
**2025-11-07T05:46:39.419+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Great to hear 👏🏻
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**2025-11-07T12:03:41.653+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1436325351360954449
**2025-11-07T12:04:09.399+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) - Has performance / RAM usage changed much in the latest updates?
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## message-1436330854979731617
**2025-11-07T12:26:01.564+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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RAM usage has gone down drastically during the filler generation step after I fixed a bug there. However, that was already before this update.
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## message-1439926964969275474
**2025-11-17T10:35:40.998+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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How long does the template build (default) take for people ?
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## message-1439927022875967528
**2025-11-17T10:35:54.804+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Just wondering if my vm is slow or something ...
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## message-1439927826559270964
**2025-11-17T10:39:06.417+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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The CI takes around 50mins without DRC: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/actions/runs/19297076321/job/55181634117
Locally, it's faster for me. The DRC can then take an additional 1–1.5 hours.
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## message-1439972280255119401
**2025-11-17T13:35:45.004+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1439972280255119401`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-17T13:36:04+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1439972280255119401
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Here full run took 3h30 😅
Looking at timestamps, klayout drc was 2h 48 min of that.
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## message-1439972534648049805
**2025-11-17T13:36:45.656+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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What? My top-level DRC runs don't take nearly as long.
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## message-1439972729301372988
**2025-11-17T13:37:32.065+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I'm also still struggling with analog pads not getting wired up.
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## message-1439983108387504268
**2025-11-17T14:18:46.632+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Just had a full run (inlcuding DRC) in 48:05 using the template 😁
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## message-1439983731615072389
**2025-11-17T14:21:15.221+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Huh ... that's worrying ...
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## message-1440038098594431016
**2025-11-17T17:57:17.319+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Something changed. KLayout DRC is so much slower now.
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## message-1440052055824929002
**2025-11-17T18:52:44.982+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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There haven't been changes to the PDK for two weeks: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu
Although a number of changes are coming up.
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## message-1440088467034869820
**2025-11-17T21:17:26.091+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1440088467034869820
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And why are my analog signals not getting routed?
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## message-1440092074958393345
**2025-11-17T21:31:46.287+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1440092074958393345`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1440092074958393345
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I CTRL+F’d for "analog" in the global routing logs and found nothing. Its skipping it.
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## message-1440092580753969342
**2025-11-17T21:33:46.878+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Are they defined any differently in your netlist ?
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## message-1440092978302685365
**2025-11-17T21:35:21.661+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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No
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## message-1440302165473103977
**2025-11-18T11:26:35.769+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Z80 design is finally green on github \o/
@Leo Moser (mole99) is there a way to download artifacts / GDS from github job for local inspection? *I feel quite dumb for asking, but I couldn't figure how to do it so far*
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## message-1440303048307114004
**2025-11-18T11:30:06.253+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Ah, when building locally on Mac it is necessary to increase file-descriptor count otherwise Magic streamout fails `ulimit -n 1024`
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## message-1440303545113907371
**2025-11-18T11:32:04.701+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
- Message ID: `1440303545113907371`
- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
- Nickname: ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
- User name: rzioma
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-18T11:33:05.605+00:00
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@Leo Moser (mole99) I tried to add `ulimit` to flake.nix as shell hook, but failing so far even with ChatGPT *"help"* 😓
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## message-1440306419986464939
**2025-11-18T11:43:30.124+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1440306419986464939`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Hi ReJ! Congrats 👏
Just so you know, the CI only runs the implementation, as the DRC requires too much memory. So you need to make sure to run DRC locally.
Yes, there are ways to upload artifacts: https://docs.github.com/en/actions/tutorials/store-and-share-data
I haven't added this to the CI yet since I though it would quicky fill up the available storage space. But perhaps with a compression of the artifacts and a short retention time, it could be fine?
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## message-1440307007667179520
**2025-11-18T11:45:50.238+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
- Message ID: `1440307007667179520`
- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
- Nickname: ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
- User name: rzioma
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-18T11:46:45.662+00:00
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For some reason I get hold violations when I build locally (MacOS could be a problem here 😉 ), but it is fine building on github. Investigating atm.
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## message-1440310351068663981
**2025-11-18T11:59:07.367+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1440310351068663981`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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The Nix flake in the template uses LibreLane's create-shell: https://github.com/librelane/librelane/blob/dev/nix/create-shell.nix
It seems that mkShell has a `shellHook` that could be used for that. However, I'm not sure how to override this from the template.
```
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## message-1440311244614668360
**2025-11-18T12:02:40.405+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1440311244614668360`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
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Strange. There may be slight differences between the Linux and mac version of OpenROAD. If your hold violations are only just over the limit, perhaps that could make the difference.
Make sure your clock tree is good, and you could increase the `PL_RESIZER_HOLD_SLACK_MARGIN`.
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## message-1440315995083374673
**2025-11-18T12:21:33.005+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1440315995083374673`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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````text
All of my configs contain
```
GRT_RESIZER_HOLD_SLACK_MARGIN: 0.1
PL_RESIZER_HOLD_SLACK_MARGIN: 0.1
PL_RESIZER_HOLD_MAX_BUFFER_PCT: 100
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by default now since I had hold violations screw me over before.
````
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## message-1440322064731865170
**2025-11-18T12:45:40.122+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
- Message ID: `1440322064731865170`
- Author ID: `738396032295108721`
- Nickname: bailey
- User name: bailey8889
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-18T12:45:53.411+00:00
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@ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma If you're just running a batch job with no editing, you probably don't need file locking. Disabling this with the magic command `locking disable` may allow you to load large designs without changing the ulimit. http://opencircuitdesign.com/magic/commandref/locking.html
```
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## message-1440366765631737987
**2025-11-18T15:43:17.647+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1440366765631737987`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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Is it expected to get some antenna violations from building the project template?
```
* Antenna
Failed 𐄂
Pin violations: 17
Net violations: 11
Check the report directory of OpenROAD.CheckAntennas.
```
checking the CI run here I do see the same violations: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/actions/runs/19297076321/job/55181634117
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## message-1440367730724180058
**2025-11-18T15:47:07.743+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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```text
Yes
```
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## message-1440367858734333963
**2025-11-18T15:47:38.263+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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```text
Ok, thanks 🙂 are they concerning or just something to waive?
```
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## message-1440373072594075779
**2025-11-18T16:08:21.344+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1440373072594075779`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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```text
That is something that requires a closer look into OpenROAD and LibreLane in order to find a proper solution. For large ratios you can manually insert ECO diodes.
So far, most (all?) Tiny Tapeout designs seem to work just fine, and almost all of them have some antenna violations.
```
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## message-1440373327947497514
**2025-11-18T16:09:22.225+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1440373327947497514`
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```text
Search for `INSERT_ECO_DIODES` in https://librelane.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/step_config_vars.html
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## message-1440392460374380674
**2025-11-18T17:25:23.751+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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```text
Thanks, I guess I'll worry about that later then 😅
```
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## message-1440392594667339807
**2025-11-18T17:25:55.769+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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````text
In `chip_core.sv` in the example project, why does it have `keep` attributes on the SRAM? Are they just left in from initial hacking or are they required?
```
logic [7:0] sram_0_out;
(* keep *)
gf180mcu_fd_ip_sram__sram512x8m8wm1 sram_0 (
`ifdef USE_POWER_PINS
.VDD (VDD),
.VSS (VSS),
`endif
.CLK (clk),
.CEN (1'b1),
.GWEN (1'b0),
.WEN (8'b0),
.A ('0),
.D ('0),
.Q (sram_0_out)
);
```
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## message-1440392850616483881
**2025-11-18T17:26:56.792+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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I will happily cargo cult it into my own memory wrappers, I was just curious
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## message-1440393268373356554
**2025-11-18T17:28:36.393+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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The former. You should be able to remove the `(* keep *)` and since Yosys sees that the outputs of the macro are being used, it will keep it. I'll remove it the next time I push another change to the template :)
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## message-1440393372199162037
**2025-11-18T17:29:01.147+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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```text
ok nice thanks, I thought that would be the case but wasn't sure if there were hidden gotchas
```
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## message-1440393685962588261
**2025-11-18T17:30:15.954+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1440393685962588261`
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**Content**
```text
flow related question (if the answer is "RTFM" I can attempt to do that): in our ASIC flow at work, if I hand-instantiate a cell then the buffer width can be changed during layout but otherwise it'll remain the same cell with the same hierarchical path. Is that the case here or do I need to add `(* dont_touch keep *)` etc to my cell wrappers?
```
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## message-1440394697498562761
**2025-11-18T17:34:17.123+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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**Content**
```text
Cell attributes are currently not retained. You can set `SYNTH_WRITE_NOATTR` to false and they should be passed on to OpenROAD.
However, there's `RSZ_DONT_TOUCH_RX` and `RSZ_DONT_TOUCH_LIST` if you want to keep a cell or net untouched.
I think if you just set the `(* keep *)` attribute on a stdcell, Yosys will instantiate the stdcell and OpenROAD is free to change it's buffer width.
```
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## message-1440394841656922294
**2025-11-18T17:34:51.493+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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nice, thanks
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## message-1440395016152416287
**2025-11-18T17:35:33.096+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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**Content**
```text
so it sounds like just putting `(* keep *)` on my cells is what I want; quite happy for the tools to change the drive as I don't fancy going and fixing all the transition violations myself 🙂
```
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## message-1440397289217855501
**2025-11-18T17:44:35.037+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**
- Message ID: `1440397289217855501`
- Author ID: `543162393413287956`
- Nickname: htamas
- User name: h.tamas
- Type: `Reply`
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FYI time driven placement (enabled by default) ignores the `RSZ_DONT_TOUCH_*` setting and resizes the cells nonetheless. You can work around it by setting `PL_TIME_DRIVEN` to 0.
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## message-1440397970099929261
**2025-11-18T17:47:17.372+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1440397970099929261`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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Yes, that is actually a "bug" in LibreLane as `dont_touch` does not prevent placement. So we could actually keep the attribute throughout GPL. See here: https://github.com/librelane/librelane/issues/695
```
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---
## message-1440439604451872871
**2025-11-18T20:32:43.775+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1440439604451872871`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1440439604451872871
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```text
Some incredibly minor DRCs (SRAM VDD/VSS *completely unconnected* while I figure out how the hierarchical paths are escaped) but in theory here is a processor, JTAG and 4 kB of RAM. Thanks for making the template, it made it super fast to get started 😄
```
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## message-1440440213775319162
**2025-11-18T20:35:09.049+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1440440213775319162`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1440440213775319162
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Also I may have mixed up the SRAM dimensions and there is only a 15 um routing channel between the two rows 🤔
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## message-1440475988063424522
**2025-11-18T22:57:18.304+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1440475988063424522`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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I'm guessing it's expected that the `librelane-magicdrc` makefile target crashes out during klayout/magic XOR, since klayout was skipped?
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## message-1440476423059013804
**2025-11-18T22:59:02.015+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1440476423059013804`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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````text
i.e.
```
Reading /home/luke/proj/riscboy-180/librelane/runs/RUN_2025-11-18_22-06-42/56-magic-streamout/chip_top.magic.gds ..
ERROR: In /nix/store/g3fml7j9yabcq2cmqm5yh19fxrm1h919-python3-3.12.10-env/lib/python3.12/site-packages/librelane/scripts/klayout/xor.drc: 'source': Stream has unknown format: /home/luke/proj/riscboy-180/librelane/runs/RUN_2025-11-18_22-06-42/56-magic-streamout/chip_top.magic.gds in Layout::read
Total elapsed: 0.010s Memory: 413.00M
ERROR: RuntimeError: 'source': Stream has unknown format: /home/luke/proj/riscboy-180/librelane/runs/RUN_2025-11-18_22-06-42/56-magic-streamout/chip_top.magic.gds in Layout::read in Executable::execute
/nix/store/g3fml7j9yabcq2cmqm5yh19fxrm1h919-python3-3.12.10-env/lib/python3.12/site-packages/librelane/scripts/klayout/xor.drc:78:in `execute'
:/built-in-macros/drc_interpreters.lym:31:in `instance_eval'
:/built-in-macros/drc_interpreters.lym:31:in `execute'
/home/luke/proj/riscboy-180/librelane/runs/RUN_2025-11-18_22-06-42/56-magic-streamout/chip_top.magic.gds
/home/luke/proj/riscboy-180/librelane/runs/RUN_2025-11-18_22-06-42/57-klayout-streamout/chip_top.klayout.gds
```
if it's a known issue with that target then I won't bother debugging 🙂
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## message-1440478026574856404
**2025-11-18T23:05:24.323+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1440478026574856404`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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**Content**
````text
Does this YAML config go anywhere other than `chip_top.sdc`?
```
# Clock
CLOCK_PORT: clk_PAD
CLOCK_NET: clk_pad/Y
CLOCK_PERIOD: 40 # 25 MHz
```
I saw the warning about multiple clocks in there but hoping I can just ignore that and write a normal `.sdc` file.
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## message-1440602669537558573
**2025-11-19T07:20:41.521+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1440603218169172058
**2025-11-19T07:22:52.325+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1440603218169172058`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
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From what I know, this is only passed on to the SDC file.
Yes, you should be able to fully customize your SDC.
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## message-1440610129904009306
**2025-11-19T07:50:20.211+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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- Edited: 2025-11-19T07:50:32.433+00:00
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DRC is passing (minus some antenna violations).
Tiny Z80 looks so lonely in there.
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## message-1440611454196776984
**2025-11-19T07:55:35.947+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
- Message ID: `1440611454196776984`
- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
- Nickname: ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
- User name: rzioma
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-19T07:57:08.116+00:00
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@Leo Moser (mole99) However I ran into some problems with `gf180mcu-precheck` repository. It:
- crashes on my Ubuntu machine (*perhaps running out of memory, investigating*) during the Density check
- fails to find qrcode library on OSX machine (*Error: Couldn't load the qrcode library. *)
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## message-1440612198236950558
**2025-11-19T07:58:33.34+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Congrats! 👏
You did enable the environment within the precheck, right?
Because I specifically request the `qrcode` Python module 😅
https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/blob/1b639dff3d87a50e0759541701c7d162e1765630/flake.nix#L47
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## message-1440613393382768740
**2025-11-19T08:03:18.285+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
- Message ID: `1440613393382768740`
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ah, this might be the problem `pkgs.stdenv.isLinux`
```
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## message-1440613812658110546
**2025-11-19T08:04:58.248+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1440613812658110546`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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You're absolutely right! It's a leftover from a different flake, I completely overlooked it.
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## message-1440613881881038952
**2025-11-19T08:05:14.752+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1440613881881038952`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Pushing a fix shortly...
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## message-1440614893429592084
**2025-11-19T08:09:15.924+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1440614893429592084`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
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@ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma You can give it another try now.
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## message-1440657952662098023
**2025-11-19T11:00:22.045+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Worked like a charm. Precheck passed!
```
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## message-1440717107729006732
**2025-11-19T14:55:25.712+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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is there an additional log to get more information about librelane build failures? Trying a test build of what I have to see the end-to-end workflow, and it's failing to wire up power pins to my sram macos (deep in the bowels of my project)
```
Connecting power net VDD to i_chip_core.u_core.tta_0.lsu_fu_0.sram_512x32_0.gf180mcu_fd_ip_sram__sram512x8m8wm1_0/VDD…
[INFO] Made 0 connections.
[06:50:13] ERROR The following error was encountered while running the flow: __main__.py:189
Odb.SetPowerConnections failed with the following errors:
add_global_connections failed to make any connections for 'i_chip_core.u_core.tta_0.lsu_fu_0.sram_512x32_0.gf180mcu_fd_ip_sram__sram512x8m8wm1_0/VDD' to VDD.
```
I've gone through and added the conditional stuff where needed
```
`ifdef USE_POWER_PINS
.VDD (VDD),
.VSS (VSS),
`endif
```
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## message-1440718077145780338
**2025-11-19T14:59:16.839+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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ah... yosys is deleting my sram module (and a bunch of other stuff)
`Deleting now unused module tta::sram::sram_512x32. `
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## message-1440718373267968030
**2025-11-19T15:00:27.44+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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ok new question.... why? 😂 I know there's a "keep" annotation to force it, but I don't think any of this is dead code? but I have no idea how synthesizing works
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## message-1440718399096488086
**2025-11-19T15:00:33.598+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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You can find all log files and artifacts in the `librelane/runs/*` directory.
Making the power connections in the RTL is one way, the other is to use `PDN_MACRO_CONNECTIONS`.
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## message-1440718587252703373
**2025-11-19T15:01:18.458+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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aha! `PDN_MACRO_CONNECTIONS` looks much more convenient
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## message-1440718760406421585
**2025-11-19T15:01:59.741+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, if Yosys removes the SRAM instances, it's because it recognises that none of the outputs are being used. Optoimizing it away 😁
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## message-1440718835069227210
**2025-11-19T15:02:17.542+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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So there is probably an issue in your RTL.
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## message-1440719811884744905
**2025-11-19T15:06:10.433+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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hm, it seems to be deleting basically my entire project 😄
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## message-1440720685709393920
**2025-11-19T15:09:38.769+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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if a module doesn't have an output, does it get optimized away? I've only wired up inputs to my processor so far (clock, reset, uart loading, etc). so it can run programs but no output
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## message-1440721609139818540
**2025-11-19T15:13:18.932+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yes. Yosys checks input to output paths to see what it can optimize away, in my experience.
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## message-1440721681357476024
**2025-11-19T15:13:36.15+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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If it sees 0 outputs, it just goes "this whole design is just void"
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## message-1440721771828478092
**2025-11-19T15:13:57.72+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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argh
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## message-1440721786349162567
**2025-11-19T15:14:01.182+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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gotcha, thanks!
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## message-1440732179671027742
**2025-11-19T15:55:19.143+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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wired in a temporary output, got the ball moving again! Just to confirm, it looks like the sram macros have to be placed manually on the die? (I see the placement stuff in pdn_cfg.tcl for the two macros in the demo chip_top)
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## message-1440732347073826957
**2025-11-19T15:55:59.055+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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and in the config toml
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## message-1440732937166524478
**2025-11-19T15:58:19.744+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes exactly. Placement is defined in `config.yaml` and connection to PDN in `pdn_cfg.tcl`.
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## message-1440733407674896454
**2025-11-19T16:00:11.922+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1440733407674896454`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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great, thank you! out of curiosity, is there a reason placements are done by hand instead of being auto-placed by librelane? because they are so large you want a human to do it?
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## message-1440734102645903411
**2025-11-19T16:02:57.616+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1440734102645903411`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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(entirely new to this whole world, so lacking a lot of background context 🙂 )
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## message-1440738136282894538
**2025-11-19T16:18:59.31+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1440738136282894538`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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**Content**
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No problem! In our case, manual placement is mostly fine, since there are only a handful of SRAM macros to place.
There was some effort to integrate OpenROAD's automatic macro placer into LibreLane, but it wasn't completed: https://github.com/librelane/librelane/issues/537
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## message-1440742594534703286
**2025-11-19T16:36:42.24+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1440742594534703286`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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Makes sense. Juice probably isn't worth the squeeze given the nature of projects here. Easier to do it by hand 🙂
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## message-1440742679959830673
**2025-11-19T16:37:02.607+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1440742679959830673`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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Not my domain (I do frontend) but I can take a couple of guesses at the reasons:
1. Difficult to move large macros later in pnr due to the number of ripups, so there's a high likelihood of automatic placement backing itself into a corner and making the design unroutable.
2. Desire for consistency between implementation runs -- implementation is usually iterative with new RTL updates regularly coming in, and you want to know whether issues are due to RTL changes etc as opposed to just the tools having a bad day
3. The power connections to macros like SRAMs etc are usually hand-tuned for best results, and you don't want to rip this up every time
```
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## message-1440742862307201134
**2025-11-19T16:37:46.082+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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At least that's for the commercial projects I've worked on. Different dynamics for the new open-source stuff
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## message-1440742955701899376
**2025-11-19T16:38:08.349+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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Ahh interesting!
```
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## message-1440743215333638165
**2025-11-19T16:39:10.25+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1440743215333638165`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
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```text
I'd love to have suggestions though. Like it would just do a rough electrostatic-style placement of all standard cells and macro to sort of see how things arrange themselves and make sure I'm not placing those macro at a very inconvenient spot.
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## message-1440743282551558256
**2025-11-19T16:39:26.276+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1440743282551558256`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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And then I can lock it there and never move it while refining RTL.
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## message-1440743339795157103
**2025-11-19T16:39:39.924+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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Yeah, like BRAM locking on FPGA 😅
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## message-1440743947029975144
**2025-11-19T16:42:04.7+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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It's a really interesting question, I never thought about it. I just sort of accepted the layout folks at work spent days gently massaging the RAMs into place
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## message-1440759548792143903
**2025-11-19T17:44:04.45+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1440759548792143903`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-19T17:46:49.491+00:00
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still not 100% confident yosys didnt optimize away half the design and my laptop locked up so I'm not sure if it actually completed successfully before I had to go to work...but it did finish enough to generate an output GDS 🥳
so much unused space 😂
```
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## message-1440762626924609678
**2025-11-19T17:56:18.334+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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My custom ASIC KianV SV32 SoC is now finalized!
RV32IMA + Zicntr/Zicsr/Zifencei/SSTC with full MMU — running uLinux, Linux, and xv6.
With huge help from @Leo Moser (mole99) — and thanks to
@Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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## message-1440765608374435946
**2025-11-19T18:08:09.167+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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## message-1440765650959339613
**2025-11-19T18:08:19.32+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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It will run mailine linux/uLinux/XV6 Unix or newer
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## message-1440771256067686582
**2025-11-19T18:30:35.682+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1440771256067686582`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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**Content**
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I’ve shared a Python script to render the chip layout from GDS. It’s pretty slow and memory-hungry, but it works. I’ll put it on my GitHub repo later.
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## message-1440772076347588668
**2025-11-19T18:33:51.252+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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definitely will try that when I get home!
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## message-1440776133326143540
**2025-11-19T18:49:58.511+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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This script generates 3D models and is multithreaded
https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/gfmpw1-multi/blob/main/gds2gltf.py
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## message-1440777208070406245
**2025-11-19T18:54:14.75+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Richtig geil...danke
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## message-1440780450455879811
**2025-11-19T19:07:07.795+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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And here is my entry in the list of layout renderers. It simply uses KLayout (`pip install klayout`) to render the layout and can therefore load both GDS and OAS. I disabled the filler layers to make the layout stand out better.
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## message-1440780471087661096
**2025-11-19T19:07:12.714+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1440780616185413673
**2025-11-19T19:07:47.308+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1440780616185413673`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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## message-1440780832716357824
**2025-11-19T19:08:38.933+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1440780832716357824`
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You can run it as `python3 lay2img.py librelane/runs//final/gds/chip_top.gds image --width 4069 --height 6144` in the root of your repository.
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## message-1440785965433225346
**2025-11-19T19:29:02.668+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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**Content**
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Rendering the AS2650-2 with @asic destroyer ’s script shows some missing wires.
```
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## message-1440786225685598378
**2025-11-19T19:30:04.717+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Watch your RAM use running this, btw. It gets intense.
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## message-1440805198070284378
**2025-11-19T20:45:28.086+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Super cool!
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## message-1440805645333823633
**2025-11-19T20:47:14.722+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1440806359632183389
**2025-11-19T20:50:05.024+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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What MCU is that Hazard3?
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**2025-11-19T20:52:30.361+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1440807547387772939
**2025-11-19T20:54:48.207+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Automatic macro placement stuff was one of the big things that Google's ML team did for the TPU
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## message-1440807778670219445
**2025-11-19T20:55:43.349+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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https://github.com/google-research/circuit_training
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## message-1440807955883757660
**2025-11-19T20:56:25.6+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Yep, it's Hazard3. There will be at least two of them once I'm done (one for main game firmware and one for audio processing)
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## message-1440808032048250982
**2025-11-19T20:56:43.759+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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What about one for graphics? 😛
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## message-1440808075081814047
**2025-11-19T20:56:54.019+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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RISCBoy PPU is already quite programmable
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## message-1440808138784636938
**2025-11-19T20:57:09.207+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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and can do affine blits and stuff at 1 pix/clk
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## message-1440808196150263891
**2025-11-19T20:57:22.884+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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so I'm planning to use that with external parallel async SRAM
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## message-1440808302824128664
**2025-11-19T20:57:48.317+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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serial SPI LCD
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## message-1440808342405775433
**2025-11-19T20:57:57.754+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) - Maybe LibreLane needs container limits to stop locking computers up or something?
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## message-1440808499461226546
**2025-11-19T20:58:35.199+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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would love to do DVI out but if I only have 13 days til final GDS then now is not the time for custom layout 😅
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## message-1440808727077978243
**2025-11-19T20:59:29.467+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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I'll probably have some std cell-based DCOs on board to play with generating internal clocks but nothing of the quality you'd need for DVI
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## message-1440808757973094543
**2025-11-19T20:59:36.833+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Sleep is for the weak 😉
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## message-1440808799861473412
**2025-11-19T20:59:46.82+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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sleep is for two weeks from now
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## message-1440810948859269253
**2025-11-19T21:08:19.181+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh. Tapeout is that soon?
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## message-1440810972125073509
**2025-11-19T21:08:24.728+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Uhhhhh
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## message-1440810993876865297
**2025-11-19T21:08:29.914+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1440810993876865297`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1440810993876865297
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%F0%9F%8F%97%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Designing/project-template/2025-11/2025-11.json
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**Content**
```text
Yeah, sleep is indeed for two weeks from now
```
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## message-1440811759643525161
**2025-11-19T21:11:32.487+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1440811759643525161`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1440811759643525161
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%F0%9F%8F%97%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Designing/project-template/2025-11/2025-11.json
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**Content**
```text
Dammit, there is too many cool things to look at in this channel and I need to be finishing the GDS prechecking on platform.wafer.space
```
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## message-1440812231402065981
**2025-11-19T21:13:24.963+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1440812231402065981`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1440812231402065981
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%F0%9F%8F%97%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Designing/project-template/2025-11/2025-11.json
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Ja, Leo ist richtig geil!
```
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## message-1440830200366497923
**2025-11-19T22:24:49.098+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1440830200366497923`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1440830200366497923
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%F0%9F%8F%97%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Designing/project-template/2025-11/2025-11.json
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```text
We definitely need a gallery or something!
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## message-1440837674217766993
**2025-11-19T22:54:31.003+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1440837674217766993`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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- User name: polyfractal
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hehe well I think we can blame my laptop for this one. the display/linux controlling it seems to get flaky in memory-constrained circumstances
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## message-1440837751304884247
**2025-11-19T22:54:49.382+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1440837751304884247`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1440837751304884247
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(i also forgot to boost swap before starting it)
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## message-1441095243041865820
**2025-11-20T15:58:00.196+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1441095243041865820`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-20T15:58:10.017+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1441095243041865820
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**Content**
```text
How we can do the same here, excluding gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__oai21_1 @Leo Moser (mole99)
https://discordapp.com/channels/1009193568256135208/1438584424554827788
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## message-1441113806041383023
**2025-11-20T17:11:45.96+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1441113806041383023`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1441113806041383023
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**Content**
```text
📢 Since the last announcement, a number of important changes have been made to both the PDK and the template.
### PDK
1. [#3](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/pull/3): The seal ring generator has been updated.
- Now actually includes the glass cut.
- Pplus does not overlap comp, as required by DRC.
2. [#3](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/pull/3): Filler generation has been updated to ensure 10um spacing to the seal ring. (This was only a problem for smaller slot sizes).
### Template
1. The core ring now [connects to all vss pads again](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/commit/c119e25b04b1dc3619bcd66cb508f901fd976410). (thanks @tnt!)
2. [#22](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/pull/22): Magic has been updated with fix that significantly reduces peak memory usage.
3. [#21](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/pull/21): The `render-image` Make target renders the GDS layout.
4. [#21](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/pull/21): The CI has been updated.
- Commands in the nix shell are now only executed once. (thanks @Egor Lukyanchenko!)
- Create a summary and upload artifacts (gds and image) ([Example](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/actions/runs/19543720582))
5. [#23](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/pull/23): Workaround for a PDN issue.
6. [#24](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/pull/24): Fix antenna violations using `DRT_ANTENNA_REPAIR_ITERS` (disable if any issues occur).
7. The [PDK version](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/commit/b20168925c46fdd292e6084f31bfd8d312379d7e) has been pinned.
Please update your repository in line with the template and clone the latest PDK.
```
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## message-1441135690678145144
**2025-11-20T18:38:43.664+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1441135690678145144`
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Pinned a message.
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## message-1441173471253237901
**2025-11-20T21:08:51.255+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441173471253237901`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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@Leo Moser (mole99) Is the environment of the leo/gf180 branch of libre lane good ? That's what I'm using since TT is not based at all on the template .
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## message-1441188569279369409
**2025-11-20T22:08:50.905+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1441188569279369409`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
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Does the template have a CHANGELOG file or something? Seems like this would be great to include in that.
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## message-1441188716428136468
**2025-11-20T22:09:25.988+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1441188716428136468`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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@Leo Moser (mole99) - BTW Did you see that I made the `git describe` version number work?
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## message-1441308312556798013
**2025-11-21T06:04:39.927+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1441308312556798013`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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Yes, the template uses `leo/gf180mcu` as well.
Unfortunately, I still need to rebase from time to time, so any commit hashes that you reference might break.
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## message-1441309725151985795
**2025-11-21T06:10:16.716+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441309725151985795`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1441309725151985795
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@Leo Moser (mole99) I meant the nix environment of the `leo/gf180mcu`. Digging a bit I think the magic version is different.
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## message-1441310110055006259
**2025-11-21T06:11:48.484+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
- Message ID: `1441310110055006259`
- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
- Nickname: ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
- User name: rzioma
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2025-11-21T06:12:53.207+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1441310110055006259
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@Leo Moser (mole99) it might be a red herring, but I think I started getting KLayout DRC violations when running a **precheck**. This started after merging the latest template changes.
I get 12 drc errors and if I read it correctly (`drc.klayout.lyrdb` file) errors are in **sealring**
```
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## message-1441310617146495106
**2025-11-21T06:13:49.384+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1441310617146495106`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
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Right! I override the magic version in the template. There is no change in functionality, but it reduces peak RAM usage.
I can update nix-eda as a whole in the `leo/gf180mcu` branch once the latest Yosys hang is fixed.
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## message-1441311164343783476
**2025-11-21T06:15:59.846+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1441311164343783476`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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ReJ, yes that is expected. Sorry! I still need to sync the precheck with the latest changes to the template. I started a run yesterday but didn't get to push the changes yet.
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## message-1441311257704665110
**2025-11-21T06:16:22.105+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, we can use versions and a changelog for the template from now on.
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## message-1441311475749748867
**2025-11-21T06:17:14.091+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
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I would prefer tags in the format `x.y.z`, like in the gf180mcu repository.
I'll update the tag.
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## message-1441311766129934386
**2025-11-21T06:18:23.323+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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with `git-describe` you get `v0.0--` which some people map to `v0.0.`
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## message-1441312059844202669
**2025-11-21T06:19:33.35+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1441312059844202669`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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But I don't really care that enough, do what you prefer 🙂
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## message-1441312271858012300
**2025-11-21T06:20:23.898+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1441312271858012300`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1441312271858012300
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Yes, `git-describe` is really neat 😁
I'm generally following the conventions in LibreLane to keep things simple.
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## message-1441312391513112596
**2025-11-21T06:20:52.426+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
- Message ID: `1441312391513112596`
- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
- Nickname: ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
- User name: rzioma
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2025-11-21T06:21:07.597+00:00
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no worries! Happy to hear it is expected
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## message-1441314857751154852
**2025-11-21T06:30:40.423+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
- Message ID: `1441314857751154852`
- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
- Nickname: ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
- User name: rzioma
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-21T06:31:19.154+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1441314857751154852
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```text
Random piece of information, template project also works fine with gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu**9t**5v0
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## message-1441377382412845147
**2025-11-21T10:39:07.464+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1441377382412845147`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1441377382412845147
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You could give this PR a try: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/pull/3
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## message-1441435181008293938
**2025-11-21T14:28:47.723+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441435181008293938`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-21T14:29:10.226+00:00
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Antenna check is taking forever 😥 It's been an hour and I think it's still at Metal1.
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## message-1441436146935529514
**2025-11-21T14:32:38.018+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441436146935529514`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1441436146935529514
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I mean, you do have a lot of Metal1 in the layout if the whole core area has a standard cell grid in it.
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## message-1441436258671788145
**2025-11-21T14:33:04.658+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441436258671788145`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1441436258671788145
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My flows are faster than average, I believe, because I only have macros in the top-level and no cell grids.
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## message-1441436447319261204
**2025-11-21T14:33:49.635+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441436447319261204`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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Well the top level of TT doesn't have any cell grid 😅
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## message-1441436600868278394
**2025-11-21T14:34:26.244+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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and this test sample is only maybe ... 15~20% filled.
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## message-1441437376353140809
**2025-11-21T14:37:31.134+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441437376353140809`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1441437376353140809
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That’s probably already denser than my chip.
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## message-1441437508352348291
**2025-11-21T14:38:02.605+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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But antenna check takes a few seconds for me, so something seems wrong there.
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## message-1441438545670832212
**2025-11-21T14:42:09.921+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441438545670832212`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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Are you talking about KLayout.Antenna or OpenROAD.CheckAntennas step ?
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## message-1441438859593388124
**2025-11-21T14:43:24.766+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441438859593388124`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Both, I guess.
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## message-1441438956645384355
**2025-11-21T14:43:47.905+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441438956645384355`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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A step getting stuck for that long would be quite memorable and I don’t remember anything other than STA and DRC taking forever.
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## message-1441439080897445949
**2025-11-21T14:44:17.529+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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```text
Well https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/ws-submission-2025/blob/main/librelane/config.yaml#L6
It's disabled in your default config so you'd have to enable it to see it.
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## message-1441443103922978836
**2025-11-21T15:00:16.693+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I just pushed to the repo
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## message-1441443169341538476
**2025-11-21T15:00:32.29+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Has my analog pad fixes now
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## message-1441477448813514752
**2025-11-21T17:16:45.153+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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@tnt Should we enable it?
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## message-1441477726254010368
**2025-11-21T17:17:51.3+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1441477726254010368`
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- Edited: 2025-11-21T17:18:07.622+00:00
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@Leo Moser (mole99)
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## message-1441477883502530580
**2025-11-21T17:18:28.791+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441477883502530580`
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It's been running here for 4h ....
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## message-1441477921226363117
**2025-11-21T17:18:37.785+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441477921226363117`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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so I get why it's disabled 😅
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## message-1441505073581789215
**2025-11-21T19:06:31.411+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1441505073581789215`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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Does anyone know which step in the (template) flow is responsible for adding buffers on a high fanout net? I have a reset net with a fanout of ~1k and in my powered netlist `./25-openroad-globalplacementskipio/chip_top.pnl.v` still has the reset synchroniser output going directly to all ~1k loads without buffering. This makes the following STAs meaningless because the reset net has like a 100 ns rise time
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## message-1441515202679144510
**2025-11-21T19:46:46.376+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1441515202679144510`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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**Content**
```text
ah, somewhat answered my own questions:
1. the buffers are added in the `repairdesignpostgpl` step
2. my issue with insane violations was actually because removing the clock variables from your `.yaml` and just defining clocks in your `.sdc` completely skips CTS, so I had like a 450 ns clock rise/fall, and all the flop timings are derated according to slew
```
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## message-1441526234793119836
**2025-11-21T20:30:36.637+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1441526234793119836`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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Does anyone have a design which currently fails precheck quickly?
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## message-1441526427546554539
**2025-11-21T20:31:22.593+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1441526427546554539`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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I need some test cases for the manufacturability checking testing
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## message-1441526545578594385
**2025-11-21T20:31:50.734+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441526545578594385`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Type: `Default`
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What if you just run precheck against a corrupted GDSII file so it fails just loading?
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## message-1441528156736458862
**2025-11-21T20:38:14.864+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1441528156736458862`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Yeah, I can do those ones pretty easy, I'm other an otherwise compliant design that just has DRC violations.
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## message-1441576949980856400
**2025-11-21T23:52:08.08+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Leo Moser (mole99) - I believe your pull request to the precheck is now merged and the docker image got updated.
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## message-1441696808806912081
**2025-11-22T07:48:24.651+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Antenna check is going on 18h, so I think I'll give up on it 😅
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## message-1441702972756332614
**2025-11-22T08:12:54.251+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Thanks!
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## message-1441703271667466280
**2025-11-22T08:14:05.517+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yeah, I also remember it taking forever during my testing 😅
For the second shuttle, I can look into rewriting/improving the KLayout antenna checks (there have been some updates to KLayout), or using a magic antenna check. But I don't see how we can possibly enforce zero antenna violations on the first shuttle.
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## message-1441713124112859238
**2025-11-22T08:53:14.523+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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## message-1441776246475456592
**2025-11-22T13:04:04.067+00:00 — Noritsuna Imamura (@noritsunaimamura)**
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- Nickname: Noritsuna Imamura
- User name: noritsunaimamura
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I ran a precheck on the GDS with PDK updated to 1.1.0 and new Filler and Sealing.
It has been successfully completed.
It took 4 hours and 36 minutes on Ubuntu24.04. The PC specifications are: "Ryzen 3 Pro 4350G (4-core, 8-thread) & MEM: 64GB".
However, when running on WSL, Klayout crashed when signals such as SIGKILL were sent or no response.
When I used about 14GB of memory, Klayout has crashed.
- Precheck Log
https://github.com/ishi-kai/ISHI-KAI_Multiple_Projects_WaferSapce-GF180-1/tree/main/precheck_log/RUN_2025-11-22_16-51-07
- Project GitHub
https://github.com/ishi-kai/ISHI-KAI_Multiple_Projects_WaferSapce-GF180-1
```
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## message-1441789668965355641
**2025-11-22T13:57:24.238+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Interesting I'm getting quite a few `Error while reading cell "tt_gf_wrapper" (byte position 137203656): Warning: cell "Metal1_fill_cell" placed on top of itself. Ignoring the extra one.` during the pre-check, maybe something's wrong somewhere in fill generation ?
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## message-1441793003474653365
**2025-11-22T14:10:39.247+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1441793003474653365`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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You can ignore those for now. From what Tim had looked into it, these are most likely real overlapping cells generated by KLayout during filler generation.
I still need to prepare a reproducible for Matthias.
```
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## message-1441802322689654785
**2025-11-22T14:47:41.121+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Hi @Noritsuna Imamura, with which error does KLayout crash?
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## message-1441802821115707453
**2025-11-22T14:49:39.955+00:00 — Noritsuna Imamura (@noritsunaimamura)**
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It's like this.
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## message-1441805192302428283
**2025-11-22T14:59:05.29+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Could you please open an issue in the [precheck repo](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck) with all the details and a link to the GDS? Unfortunately, I cannot look into it right now, but I would like to try and see if it crashes on my end as well.
You should be able find the full KLayout log in the run directory.
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## message-1441806069876920382
**2025-11-22T15:02:34.52+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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It worries me a bit that 30 min into the execution of the klayout drc step, it hasn't even started with the "Executing rule XXX" phase of the check 🤔
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## message-1441840716744622081
**2025-11-22T17:20:14.977+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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**Content**
```text
Is there a way for me to run the KLayout DRC checks on a GDSII file without running the full chip_top flow? I just want to know if my DACs still have DRC errors without waiting 4+ hours for DRC to run on the full chip.
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## message-1441841361669197995
**2025-11-22T17:22:48.739+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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`klayout -b -zz -r ${PDK_ROOT}/gf180mcuD/libs.tech/klayout/tech/drc/gf180mcu.drc -rd input=your.gds -rd report=drc.klayout.lyrdb -rd feol=True -rd beol=True -rd dummy=True -rd offgrid=True -rd conn_drc=True -rd wedge=True -rd run_mode=deep -rd thr=16`
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## message-1441841588560072745
**2025-11-22T17:23:42.834+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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That's the command run by the pre-check.
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## message-1441843380903477339
**2025-11-22T17:30:50.162+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441843380903477339`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Its so annoying to me that I can spend days putting something together in magic until its DRC clean, and then KLayout comes in "Actshually, there is 107 DRC errors"
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## message-1441845685186986137
**2025-11-22T17:39:59.546+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441845685186986137`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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I think that's pretty much the deal of being on this first run is that you're beta testing stuff ...
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## message-1441846563751071775
**2025-11-22T17:43:29.012+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441846563751071775`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Although I'm looking at some of the error in KLayout and ... they might be false positive.
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## message-1441846910372810936
**2025-11-22T17:44:51.653+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441846910372810936`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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I have tons of DRC errors for this. So uhm. Is it too long? Too short? What is the limit?
```
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## message-1441847062261141656
**2025-11-22T17:45:27.866+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441847062261141656`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Am I about to have to dive into some source code just to know what this is about?
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## message-1441847302061949150
**2025-11-22T17:46:25.039+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441847302061949150`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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**Content**
```text
No errors in magic
```
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## message-1441847482647707769
**2025-11-22T17:47:08.094+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441847482647707769`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Yes, looking at that now. I think there is a missing marker layer.
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## message-1441847606459240660
**2025-11-22T17:47:37.613+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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5V and 6V transistors have no difference except the channel length.
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## message-1441847745332903996
**2025-11-22T17:48:10.723+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441847745332903996`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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What is the marker layer?
```
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## message-1441847745433436355
**2025-11-22T17:48:10.747+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441847745433436355`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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And there is a marker layer (purely informational, doesn't mean anything for manufacturing) to tell klayout that a given transistor is meant to be 5V and not 6V.
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## message-1441847863121543221
**2025-11-22T17:48:38.806+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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v5_xtor
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## message-1441848247613128706
**2025-11-22T17:50:10.476+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441848247613128706`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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112/1
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## message-1441848310460842064
**2025-11-22T17:50:25.46+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441848310460842064`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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`string MASKHINTS_V5_XTOR` does not have an effect. Will actually have to draw this in KLayout.
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## message-1441848509241233549
**2025-11-22T17:51:12.853+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441848509241233549`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Yeah, MASKHINTS only works if support for maskhints for that particular layer is in the tech file.
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## message-1441848622697418935
**2025-11-22T17:51:39.903+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Tim Edwards it seems `magic` isn't creating that layer at all, I see no support for writing it in the tech file ?
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## message-1441848697204899972
**2025-11-22T17:51:57.667+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441848697204899972`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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But also, these are supposed to be 6V devices
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## message-1441848829505699860
**2025-11-22T17:52:29.21+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441848829505699860`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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But also, magic extracts them as 5V?
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## message-1441848942366036059
**2025-11-22T17:52:56.118+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441848942366036059`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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There is weird things going on here
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## message-1441850470187536434
**2025-11-22T17:59:00.379+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Oh no, the transistors are indeed too small for 6V devices - and magic doesn’t see a problem with that.
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## message-1441850522976915547
**2025-11-22T17:59:12.965+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441850522976915547`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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In other words, I’d like to report a bug...
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## message-1441852922995675247
**2025-11-22T18:08:45.174+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441852922995675247`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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```text
I'm guessing the `mv` devices (which are the ones used in your design) are meant to be the 5V one and the `hv` would be the 6V ones.
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## message-1441853249891074148
**2025-11-22T18:10:03.112+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Ah no, I think magic doesn't differentiate between 5V and 6V devices at all.
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## message-1441853347463172209
**2025-11-22T18:10:26.375+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441853347463172209`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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- Edited: 2025-11-22T18:10:31.523+00:00
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both are `mvnfet` / `mvpfet` and it's just whatever length you use that will dictate which one it is ...
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## message-1441855117111591029
**2025-11-22T18:17:28.292+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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hv is 10V
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## message-1441855383793831946
**2025-11-22T18:18:31.874+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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GF180mcu has LV, MV 5V, MV 6V, Native Vt, HV LDMOS
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## message-1441855468631883836
**2025-11-22T18:18:52.101+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Which are 3.3V, 5V, 6V, 6V and 10V respectively.
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## message-1441855945272463541
**2025-11-22T18:20:45.741+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1441855945272463541`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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```text
Here is another DRC error that I’m seeing a lot of in KLayout but that isn’t represented in magic.
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## message-1441855963434057829
**2025-11-22T18:20:50.071+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Even though it totally could be.
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## message-1441857146110087238
**2025-11-22T18:25:32.043+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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I think there are also drc not checked by klayout because anything wider than 30u must be slitted and it didn't spot that.
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## message-1441861413160095807
**2025-11-22T18:42:29.387+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) I think the KLayout deck has issues.
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## message-1441861490931011734
**2025-11-22T18:42:47.929+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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"M3.2b : Space to wide Metal3 (length & width > 10um) : 0.3µm"
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## message-1441861616063742152
**2025-11-22T18:43:17.763+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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That's a 0.28u trace ... hardly "wide Metal3".
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## message-1441866121195163861
**2025-11-22T19:01:11.87+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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@Tholin : Sorry, I was not following this conversation until Sylvain flagged me.
I keep trying to remind people that the magic DRC deck for GF180MCU was designed in a hurry for what was a digital-only tapeout from Efabless. I made a "good first pass" at the analog rules and layers but there were no analog designs to validate it with. I have made some corrections since then, but it is more or less in the same state. I suppose the same goes for the klayout deck---No real validation in practice.
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## message-1441868660208701582
**2025-11-22T19:11:17.218+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tholin : I found the GF handling of "5V" devices to be awkward and looked for some method to be consistent. It has never seemed reasonable to me that the same device can be either "5V" or "6V", and requires a marker layer to specify the _intent_ of it. But mostly the issue of the way it is currently implemented in magic comes from early on struggling with what was _meant_ by a 5V or 6V transistor, along with largely unreadable documentation trying (badly) to explain it. There were no 5V devices in the device model files originally. I added those to the model files recently. I could certainly redo the magic tech file to separate the 5V and 6V transistor types (now that there is a device model for each of them) and use the V5_XTOR ("FET5VDEF" in the magic techfile) to distinguish them (and apply the device length rules separately for each of them).
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## message-1441869215614369853
**2025-11-22T19:13:29.637+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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IMHO it's fine to only have `mv` to represent 5V/6V , but the `V5_XTOR` layer still need to be generated if length is too small to be 6V to comply with the DRC requirement ... I'm not sure if that's something doable in the magic tech file ?
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## message-1441869284392435864
**2025-11-22T19:13:46.035+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1441850470187536434
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So it's not so much a bug as an implementation decision. Given that (at the time I implemented it) there was only one device model, I just had magic extract that one device model and discarded the information from the V5_XTOR mask. Either way, it's the same device, same model (my 5V model is just a copy of the 6V model, with a restriction on device length applied to the 6V model).
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## message-1441869633022853200
**2025-11-22T19:15:09.155+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@tnt : It can be done. I assume the purpose is to have magic-generated GDS pass DRC in klayout?
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## message-1441869809917755453
**2025-11-22T19:15:51.33+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441869809917755453`
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Yes. But also potentially any DRC GF themselves are running since this is in the design manual.
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## message-1441869864212893887
**2025-11-22T19:16:04.275+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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But I think that just implementing, say, "mvpfet" = 5V pfet and "hvpfet" = 6V pfet would be more consistent with the PDK overall.
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## message-1441870016361271500
**2025-11-22T19:16:40.55+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Sure, I have no strong opinion on that.
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## message-1441870158426800349
**2025-11-22T19:17:14.421+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The 10V one are `ld` if I read the tech file correctly.
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## message-1441874492967092356
**2025-11-22T19:34:27.856+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Are there any published rules for V5_XTOR? I can't find any in the open PDK documentation. In the vendor libraries, it appears to cover entire cells, although I would assume it is only meaningful over the gate of the device.
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## message-1441878065776169080
**2025-11-22T19:48:39.68+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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@Tholin : The magic tech file _does_ implement rule V1.3d; where do you see it not flagging the rule? (Note that the DRC documentation has no rule"V1.3d", only "V1.3". The "d" seems to have been invented by Mabrains when they make the klayout DRC deck.)
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## message-1441878313898479748
**2025-11-22T19:49:38.837+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_07_08.html
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## message-1441878385478598778
**2025-11-22T19:49:55.903+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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AFAICT it's just the gate over comp that needs to be covered.
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## message-1441878911112974346
**2025-11-22T19:52:01.224+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@tnt : Thanks, I missed PL.11. But PL.12 suggests that the diffusion as well as the gate must be covered.
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## message-1441879301623386236
**2025-11-22T19:53:34.329+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Rule PL.12 might be intended to prevent mixing 5V and 6V devices in the same circuit.
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## message-1441879307382161440
**2025-11-22T19:53:35.702+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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At least the klayout DRC only checks the gate.
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## message-1441879378484133948
**2025-11-22T19:53:52.654+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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But GF might flag PL.12.
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## message-1441879984317661277
**2025-11-22T19:56:17.096+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Yes. Without exactly a drawing for what PL.12 means, I'm not sure tbh.
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**2025-11-22T19:57:19.895+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I like also how there is a drawing for PL.19 but then no PL.19 rule 😅
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## message-1441880397335101626
**2025-11-22T19:57:55.567+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1441880397335101626`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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I'll start counting the issues in the rules and illustrations, and get back to you next week.
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## message-1441881926397984999
**2025-11-22T20:04:00.124+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1441881926397984999`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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It occurs to me that there must (?) also be "cap_nmos_05v0", "cap_pmos_05v0", "cap_nmos_05v0_b", and "cap_pmos_05v0_b" devices, but the devices themselves are just modeled as ideal capacitors (?!) and the models have no restriction on length and width. Also, moscap-connected transistors in the SRAM are just transistors in the netlist. Maybe the moscap device should just be quietly removed from the PDK. . .
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## message-1441887955172987030
**2025-11-22T20:27:57.496+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1441887955172987030`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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```text
@tnt : Okay, I have reworked the GF tech file for magic, and pushed the change. There is also a pending commit to add the 3.3V SRAM library to the open_pdks installation of GF180MCU, so it will all be mirrored to github by tomorrow.
```
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## message-1441888106092695653
**2025-11-22T20:28:33.478+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441888106092695653`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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Oh wow, that was fast 😅
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## message-1441888119971512362
**2025-11-22T20:28:36.787+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441888119971512362`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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Thanks !
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## message-1441888604631863320
**2025-11-22T20:30:32.339+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1441888604631863320`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-22T20:34:45.425+00:00
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Is anyone else using clock gates (ICGs) in their designs? I'm getting ~2ns SRAM address hold violations with CPU on a gated clock and SRAM on an ungated version of the same clock. I saw TritonCTS had a `-balance_levels` switch (off by default, enabled by `CTS_BALANCE_LEVELS: True`), but it didn't seem to help with overall clock skew:
> -balance_levels Attempt to keep a similar number of levels in the clock tree across non-register cells (e.g., clock-gate or inverter). The default value is False, and the allowed values are bool.
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## message-1441889551462305905
**2025-11-22T20:34:18.081+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1441889551462305905`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-22T20:36:00.286+00:00
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**Content**
````text
Related note: based on a tip in the Caravel report I found I could reduce overall clock skew by about 40% (2.8 -> 1.7 ns in post-CTS STA) by forcing Triton to always use the largest available clock buffer. Is there any reason not to make this the default? If you're tight on timing then it may even save area overall as you should need fewer fixups and resizes
```
# Force use of chonky bois to reduce clock skew (default list is 2, 4, 8)
CTS_CLK_BUFFERS:
- "gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__clkbuf_16"
```
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## message-1441899103134023742
**2025-11-22T21:12:15.377+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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````text
Actually there is something suspicious in my CTS report:
```
Total number of Clock Roots: 6.
```
I have four defined clocks with two gates on one of those clocks. If I rebuild with the ICG cells removed, I get
```
Total number of Clock Roots: 4.
```
Is Triton treating each gate as a new root? Normally ICGs are just buffers for CTS purposes, and you'd explicitly define a root if you wanted a root
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## message-1441899248940748922
**2025-11-22T21:12:50.14+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1441899248940748922`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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re: DRC, I assumed these were checks that GF provided, but I guess they are "implemented" based on written rules that GF publishes? What happens if we submit a design that validates fine but doesn't meet GF's internal checks?
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## message-1441899333422419969
**2025-11-22T21:13:10.282+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1441899333422419969`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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or do they just YOLO it and you get back a bad wafer?
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## message-1441899457011515402
**2025-11-22T21:13:39.748+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441899457011515402`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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GF definitely didn't provide the decks for KLayout and Magic 😅
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## message-1441899602952458512
**2025-11-22T21:14:14.543+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441899602952458512`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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If it's the same as for Sky130, the fab runs their own deck and comes backs with a list of violations that need fixing.
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## message-1441899950345551924
**2025-11-22T21:15:37.368+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1441899950345551924`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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They usually only bother reporting the MR ( Manufacturing Rule ), i.e. the rules that would actually prevent manufacturing the thing at all. There are also a bunch of rules that are not MR. i.e. they would affect the performance or function, but are not manufacturing risk, so they don't care so much, it's sort of your problem.
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## message-1441900452584362145
**2025-11-22T21:17:37.111+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1441900452584362145`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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👍 makes sense, thanks
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## message-1441957360242262218
**2025-11-23T01:03:44.954+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Actually I don't think GF had any concept of "MR" rules (or rather, no _documented_ "MR" rule set); we (Efabless) went through the usual iteration of them sending us a document highlighting all the errors, and coming to an agreement on which rules to waive and which rules to pass back to the user to fix. Because the two tapeouts were all-digital, we didn't have any user project errors that I recall. The errors were things in the GF IP (like the I/O cells) which were being flagged by GF's own DRC deck; none of which would meet the definition of an "MR" rule.
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## message-1442116601007837275
**2025-11-23T11:36:30.911+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Yes, the default is to find roots automatically. In OpenLane 2 there didn’t seem to be a way to explicitly specify roots, I don’t know if things have improved since then.
If the gated clock only feeds a small number of cells, I believe you can avoid getting a full clock tree built for it by explicitly instantiating a buffer after the gate, which should reduce the skew.
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## message-1442131010706870343
**2025-11-23T12:33:46.451+00:00 — urish**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1442141559096086690
**2025-11-23T13:15:41.383+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1442141559096086690`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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That's right. From the first round of DRC with GF, it seems the whole rule deck is checked, including recommended rules.
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## message-1442141808594391114
**2025-11-23T13:16:40.868+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Do they allow to waive the recommended ?
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## message-1442142072542072883
**2025-11-23T13:17:43.798+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes. But it's going to be a back and forth.
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## message-1442142614685093919
**2025-11-23T13:19:53.055+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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In other words, if we don't have any DRC violations, we don't need a waiver file, and submitting to the foundry would be faster and less complicated.
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## message-1442145087667568642
**2025-11-23T13:29:42.66+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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Does the klayout deck test for recommended rules ?
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## message-1442146344688029900
**2025-11-23T13:34:42.357+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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The ones that were violated weren't checked at least. I would need to go through the whole deck to see which are implemented and which are not.
The other way is to go backwards: see which DRC rules are triggered and trying to fix them/add them to the deck.
With actual designs in the reticle we should see a more complete list of DRC violations that are not yet caught by the open source rule decks.
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## message-1442297480539537408
**2025-11-23T23:35:15.952+00:00 — asc (@asc9742)**
- Message ID: `1442297480539537408`
- Author ID: `378788837452677120`
- Nickname: asc
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```text
Hi all, have people had success running LVS of their designs including the generated padframe? Would like some assurance it is possible before committing to running the long netgen LVS script.
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## message-1442298109664297121
**2025-11-23T23:37:45.947+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I should do that sometime. I am super worried about VDD/VSS shorts and I believe LVS could detect them.
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## message-1442298122863644694
**2025-11-23T23:37:49.094+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Though I’m not sure.
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## message-1442319744509415546
**2025-11-24T01:03:44.096+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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First DRC, LVS, STA clean GDSII
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## message-1442321213648277574
**2025-11-24T01:09:34.366+00:00 — asc (@asc9742)**
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What flow are you using for LVS? Did you create your own padframe schematic using the io spice files from GF or is there a way to get it from the project template?
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## message-1442321393168679023
**2025-11-24T01:10:17.167+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The LVS that runs when you do `make librelane`
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## message-1442321648199143484
**2025-11-24T01:11:17.971+00:00 — asc (@asc9742)**
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I see.
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## message-1442321895440646165
**2025-11-24T01:12:16.918+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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@Tholin Be aware that the librelane LVS abstracts any macros and standard cells.
I can advise on a setup to run full device level LVS along with soft connection and ERC checks.
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## message-1442322196713443350
**2025-11-24T01:13:28.747+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’m mostly just interested in checking for VDD/VSS shorts
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## message-1442322234709639369
**2025-11-24T01:13:37.806+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I accidentally created such shorts before and the flow did not fail.
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## message-1442486467761930401
**2025-11-24T12:06:14.017+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1442486467761930401`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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Is it possible to get librelane installed as an editable package (like a submodule of my repo) but still use the rest of the `nix-shell` setup? I wanted to look at adding a yosys extraction for mux + flop -> scan flop but librelane is quite hardcoded.
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## message-1442487562458370210
**2025-11-24T12:10:35.013+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1442487562458370210`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I have a similar complaint. nix-shell currently pulls binaries, but I’d actually like the option to have everything be built from source.
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## message-1442490574304186459
**2025-11-24T12:22:33.093+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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@Tholin you can just remove the cachex entry I think. Then it will be everything from source.
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## message-1442494109230305331
**2025-11-24T12:36:35.885+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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You can clone the [leo/gf180mcu](https://github.com/librelane/librelane/tree/leo/gf180mcu) branch (same one used for wafer.space). Next, you can make any changes inside the repo and then start LibreLane with `nix-shell`.
That's basically the same step as in: https://librelane.readthedocs.io/en/latest/installation/nix_installation/installation_linux.html#cloning-librelane
You can also apply patches in the in the Nix flake of the template, but it's a bit finicky.
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## message-1442494358120042628
**2025-11-24T12:37:35.225+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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That's what Nix is for. It builds all the binaries for you. In the case of the wafer.space template we point to a specific branch of LibreLane and the binaries are already cached.
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## message-1442499017010315438
**2025-11-24T12:56:05.991+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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ah, so the shell I get from running `nix-shell` in that branch of the librelane repo is a suitable environment for running the makefile in the project template? If so then got it, thanks
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## message-1442499282803490928
**2025-11-24T12:57:09.361+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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I probably would move to putting patches in the flake (should just be a few lines to add a flag to pass an extraction file) but I need to develop the patch 🙂
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## message-1442501319134023720
**2025-11-24T13:05:14.86+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes. The project template uses that branch with an override to get a newer magic version. But it should also work with the magic version specified in LibreLane.
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## message-1442548921393086585
**2025-11-24T16:14:24.123+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1442548921393086585`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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very silly newbie question: does part of the librelane build process spit out the max frequency the chip is expected to run at? or is there some other way to tell?
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## message-1442551933054353670
**2025-11-24T16:26:22.159+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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```text
Yes, you can find the report in the console or inside `54-openroad-stapostpnr/summary.rpt`.
It contains a list of all corners and whether there are any setup violations for the target frequency. If there is a setup violation at a corner, it means that you will not be able to run the chip at the target frequency at that particular corner (PVT - Process, Voltage and Temperature). Using the setup worst slack, you can calculate the maximum frequency for each corner, which could even be above the target frequency.
```
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## message-1442553993783021871
**2025-11-24T16:34:33.475+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
- Message ID: `1442553993783021871`
- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
- Nickname: ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
- User name: rzioma
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-24T16:34:58.367+00:00
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There is also `54-openroad-stapostpnr\nom_tt_025C_3v30\clock.rpt` (and actually for each corner) which tells you `fmax` for that corner.
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## message-1442564198751273072
**2025-11-24T17:15:06.529+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1442564198751273072`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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thanks!
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## message-1442565671274938452
**2025-11-24T17:20:57.606+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1442565671274938452`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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aha, and found the target frequency in the yaml. cheers!
```
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## message-1442955982153191565
**2025-11-25T19:11:54.971+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1442955982153191565`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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````text
Anyone else getting occasional crashes in the detailed router? e.g.
```
[INFO DRT-0076] Complete 3000 pins.
Signal 6 received
Stack trace:
0# handler(int) in /nix/store/g74fz644z0828i5dksxm95mzdb91aq2g-openroad-2025-10-28/bin/.openroad-wrapped
1# _sigtramp in /usr/lib/system/libsystem_platform.dylib
2# pthread_kill in /usr/lib/system/libsystem_pthread.dylib
3# abort in /usr/lib/system/libsystem_c.dylib
4# malloc_vreport in /usr/lib/system/libsystem_malloc.dylib
5# malloc_report in /usr/lib/system/libsystem_malloc.dylib
6# ___BUG_IN_CLIENT_OF_LIBMALLOC_POINTER_BEING_FREED_WAS_NOT_ALLOCATED in /usr/lib/system/libsystem_malloc.dylib
```
Probably won't have time to file reproducibles til after tapeout but I've made note of my git hashes. I'll just back out the RTL changes for now. Wondering if there is any way to work around it without undoing RTL commits
````
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## message-1442975525332324565
**2025-11-25T20:29:34.428+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Wie hast Du das geschafft?
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## message-1442975866119258233
**2025-11-25T20:30:55.678+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1442975866119258233`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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Keine Ahnung
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## message-1442979829908508672
**2025-11-25T20:46:40.719+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1442979829908508672`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-25T20:47:58.742+00:00
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```text
MacOSX?
```
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## message-1442982438493225023
**2025-11-25T20:57:02.654+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1442982438493225023`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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Yeah it is on MacOS on an M4. The tools do just seem to behave slightly weirdly there, like I also get klayout/magic XORs and I'm not the only person to see that (but fine on Linux)
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## message-1442983717814407271
**2025-11-25T21:02:07.668+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1442983717814407271`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
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I don’t have these issues on my Debian or Ubuntu machines. Leo and I have generated over 60 chips in the last 3 weeks.
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## message-1442984119155032064
**2025-11-25T21:03:43.355+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1442984119155032064`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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yep I'll go back to my Linux box when I need to close DRC. M4 is just faster
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## message-1443145256852783170
**2025-11-26T07:44:01.576+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1443201665200033894
**2025-11-26T11:28:10.374+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
- Nickname: ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
- User name: rzioma
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Those CAP violations, I think I am getting them even with vanilla project template, how serious are they?
(So far I couldn’t find a way to get rid of them)
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## message-1443201868389023875
**2025-11-26T11:28:58.818+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
- Nickname: ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
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## message-1443203373087330374
**2025-11-26T11:34:57.566+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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- Type: `Default`
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If they don't lead to slew rate violation, then, they really don't matter AFAIK.
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## message-1443204034826600491
**2025-11-26T11:37:35.337+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I heard there is a way to use the 9-track cells now?
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## message-1443204106545139832
**2025-11-26T11:37:52.436+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I’d like to use them in the multiplexer of my die, since that thing is very performance critical.
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## message-1443206274023162032
**2025-11-26T11:46:29.203+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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You didn't use your cell library ? Or do you want 5V support ?
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## message-1443209137184968838
**2025-11-26T11:57:51.834+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I need 5V support
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## message-1443209655013740604
**2025-11-26T11:59:55.294+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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You should be able to change it via: `STD_CELL_LIBRARY: gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu9t5v0`. But there have been no changes to the 9t library.
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## message-1443211496984281250
**2025-11-26T12:07:14.454+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Several people hardened TT projects with 9t without issues.
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## message-1443217154102005952
**2025-11-26T12:29:43.216+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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...so by omission you're saying there *have* been changes to the 7t library? I'm using 9t, do I need those changes?
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## message-1443217991759167572
**2025-11-26T12:33:02.929+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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The thing I came here to post was: there are several bugs in the vendor RAM model that seem to be simulation related and not functional details of the RAM macro. What's our policy on patching the models? In particular:
* It drops the first access because it fails to correctly initialise `cen_dly` and `cen_flag_dly`; can be fixed by just using `always_comb` to get a time=0 evaluation
* It registers its inputs on a 100 ps delayed version of the clock, making it unsuitable for RTL simulations which just have an NBA delay on the input for the next cycle
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## message-1443220644123771084
**2025-11-26T12:43:35.302+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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No, there have been no changes to the 7t or 9t library :) I only mentioned this because Tholin wrote: "I heard there is a way to use the 9-track cells **now**?" It already worked before.
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## message-1443220771131621408
**2025-11-26T12:44:05.583+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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ah. phew, ok
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## message-1443220797379317858
**2025-11-26T12:44:11.841+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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heart rate returning to normal
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## message-1443221214960287877
**2025-11-26T12:45:51.4+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I think it would be great to fix those issues. Preferably in the FOSSi upstream repository.
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## message-1443221407780573234
**2025-11-26T12:46:37.372+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Let me just quickly check where open_pdks gets the SRAM sources from, I don't see a FOSSi fork for that.
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## message-1443221569580040285
**2025-11-26T12:47:15.948+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Ok sure, added to my list of post-tapeout tasks 🙂 actually I'm curious, is anyone else using the vendor RAM models for RTL sims? I have a behavioural model in my RAM wrapper which I was using until now, but I wanted to run RTL sims with all my manually-instantiated cells enabled so that pulled in the vendor model.
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## message-1443221569676513452
**2025-11-26T12:47:15.971+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Aha, it's still the original google repo: https://github.com/RTimothyEdwards/open_pdks/blob/486fb8633c3d95ae475a5ccd68d0066c25919bb5/gf180mcu/Makefile.in#L184
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## message-1443221682058956872
**2025-11-26T12:47:42.765+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443221682058956872`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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The analog IO pads are still broken and cannot be used with LibreLane, but the fix is easy. Should be possible to upstream.
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## message-1443221884899557508
**2025-11-26T12:48:31.126+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1443221884899557508`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Yes, I did use it for some very simple tests.
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## message-1443222063077920838
**2025-11-26T12:49:13.607+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443222063077920838`
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Huh. And were you driving the inputs from posedge flops or did you have some behavioural delay and/or negedge stuff going on?
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## message-1443223379854491708
**2025-11-26T12:54:27.551+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1443223379854491708`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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There are two things going on in my case:
I was testing the FPGA fabric in my chip and to prevent logic loops during configuration I added delays to it.
In the testbench I was waiting two clock cycles before I read the output. I don't remember if the two clock cycles were really necessary, but I was simply happy to get the correct data out again. 😆
I didn't have time to take a closer look since then.
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## message-1443223478911242322
**2025-11-26T12:54:51.168+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443223478911242322`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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One of the issues I think I saw (not fully diagnosed) is a read where the address changes on the posedge can give you the data from the address after the posedge
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## message-1443223536939307060
**2025-11-26T12:55:05.003+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443223536939307060`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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ah ok if the address is stable over the edge then you won't see issues
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## message-1443223719496519782
**2025-11-26T12:55:48.528+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443223719496519782`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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I'm always nervous about patching vendor models but this one does seem quite broken
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## message-1443225542290571347
**2025-11-26T13:03:03.116+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1443237097543565542
**2025-11-26T13:48:58.103+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1443237097543565542`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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📢 Project Template Update!
Version [1.1.2](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.1.2) has been tagged. Notable updates include:
- Support for different slot sizes ◻️◽▫️
- This will likely be an option for future shuttles. For the first shuttle, however, smaller slot sizes are still experimental.
- You can try this out by setting the `SLOT` variable. See the [README](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template?tab=readme-ov-file#choosing-a-different-slot-size) for more information.
- The CI now also runs for all slot sizes in the upstream repo `wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template`: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/actions/runs/19697592187
- Better SRAM power connections ⚡
- `pdn_cfg.tcl`: better connectivity for the SRAM orientations. Please make sure to update your PDN config!
- The PDK has been updated to 1.1.2
- NP.12 and PP.12 reimplemented
- Wide metal check fixed
Please update your projects and PDKs.
The latest precheck tag is [1.0.1](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/releases/tag/1.0.1).
```
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## message-1443237159917191300
**2025-11-26T13:49:12.974+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Pinned a message.
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## message-1443239004173762720
**2025-11-26T13:56:32.679+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Will quarter slots be 1/4 of the price ? 😅
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## message-1443240626698063892
**2025-11-26T14:02:59.519+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1443240626698063892`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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I assume the cost of packaging will not go down by much. However, regarding the area, that's for @Tim 'mithro' Ansell to say.
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**2025-11-26T16:59:15.985+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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▫️<-- that would be great for retro stuff (Z80)!
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## message-1443285624772886608
**2025-11-26T17:01:47.896+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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@Tholin I am hardening with both mcu7t5v0 and mcu9t5v0 in parallel. I need (imho ridiculously high) **0.5** slack margins for HOLD violation in case of 7t, but otherwise both work and pass precheck.
And with @htamas help, we tried both in TT.
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## message-1443293927380619275
**2025-11-26T17:34:47.392+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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I've been using the vendor verilog as well. I assumed it was correct (looking to be a mistake?) and didn't trust myself to write a correct behavior stub. 😅 I've been getting data in/out but if there was a timing discrepancy I probably chalked it up to my own timing issues and just worked around it in my code
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## message-1443328191220420878
**2025-11-26T19:50:56.528+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Oh interesting. Do you have the address changing every cycle, on a posedge?
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## message-1443330531856089261
**2025-11-26T20:00:14.579+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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yep. I'm using it for both instruction memory and generic SRAM. so most (all?) of the tests are probably incrementing the address each cycle to fetch a new instruction. the few tests that check branching also jump around but don't hold the same address over multiple clocks. and the general sram tests are just random accesses as well
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## message-1443330766338654440
**2025-11-26T20:01:10.484+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443330766338654440`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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Huhhhh
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## message-1443330820960944363
**2025-11-26T20:01:23.507+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1443330820960944363`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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I do have a somewhat mystery clock delay at the beginning of the core bootup, which I attributed to my own jank code. will have to check when I get home but iirc it's two cycles before things start looking correct
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## message-1443330884215374017
**2025-11-26T20:01:38.588+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443330884215374017`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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and you're using the RAM model in both gate sim and behavioural RTL sim?
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## message-1443331212004298863
**2025-11-26T20:02:56.739+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1443331212004298863`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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emmm, maybe? I'm using Spade HDL (transpiles to verilog), so copied/pasted the macro verilog into the spade setup so it can reference for tests.
Not sure if that's gate sim or behavioural? probably behavioural (cocotb tests)
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## message-1443331374739226888
**2025-11-26T20:03:35.538+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443331374739226888`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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yeah, behavioural. Ok thanks, that's useful information, I need to look at my sims a bit more 🙂 definitely some weird stuff going on in that model
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## message-1443331528779370526
**2025-11-26T20:04:12.264+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1443331528779370526`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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i'm praying it's not toooooo terribly off, otherwise my chip is totally not gonna work 😅
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## message-1443331552951140572
**2025-11-26T20:04:18.027+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443331552951140572`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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gate sim would be a simulation of the synthesised (or post-place etc) netlist instead of your (transpiled) source code
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## message-1443331577210736831
**2025-11-26T20:04:23.811+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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aha
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## message-1443331627538448649
**2025-11-26T20:04:35.81+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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i should probably figure out how to add some basic tests for that...
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## message-1443331921525608508
**2025-11-26T20:05:45.902+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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````text
There is already some setup for it in the template's cocotb harness, if you look through where this variable is used in `chip_top_tb.py`:
```
gl = os.getenv("GL", False)
```
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## message-1443332027171733717
**2025-11-26T20:06:11.09+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443332027171733717`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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**Content**
```text
in theory just set that flag. in practice, dragons abound
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## message-1443332326305042563
**2025-11-26T20:07:22.409+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1443332326305042563`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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ooh interesting. so theoretically the same cocotb tests would run and should match the behavioural testing pre-synth? will try it out when i get home
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## message-1443332522636480717
**2025-11-26T20:08:09.218+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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that is the theory. you can have new issues in gate sim like Xs propagating in places they didn't before, but the netlist should be equivalent to your RTL
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## message-1443332745089781844
**2025-11-26T20:09:02.255+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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rad! that would make me a lot more confident, especially if I can get it run before the payment deadline 😅
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## message-1443332830506516611
**2025-11-26T20:09:22.62+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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cheers for the info!
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## message-1443348705880178719
**2025-11-26T21:12:27.604+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1443348705880178719`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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unrelated: i rented a beefy'ish droplet to run the process flow. turns out despite being memory-short on my laptop, fewer/faster cores still win over more slower cores and lots of memory 🙁
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## message-1443348884666449972
**2025-11-26T21:13:10.23+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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looks like quite a few steps are single-core operations. alas
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## message-1443354310938198206
**2025-11-26T21:34:43.954+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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Yep, the fastest machine in my house for running this ASIC flow is my macbook air, annoyingly
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## message-1443354679713988729
**2025-11-26T21:36:11.877+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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it's worse for some commercial ASIC tools because vendors will apply per-core licensing so the optimal play is to buy the fastest single-core machine you can find
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## message-1443371040368754782
**2025-11-26T22:41:12.561+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Gaming machine trend to do well
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## message-1443386464107888670
**2025-11-26T23:42:29.867+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Good way to justify a new machine 😉
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**2025-11-27T01:22:37.119+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1443425043341246495
**2025-11-27T02:15:47.873+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
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"To be compatible with the default breakout PCB, do not change any of the power or ground pads."
Just to make sure I understand correctly, I **can** do the wirebond option if I drop a few pwr/gnd pins, I just have to bring my own PCB?
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## message-1443426111756435558
**2025-11-27T02:20:02.603+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
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Also, it's been a minute since I used the template, I pulled it in October and have not been following updates. Whoever added the automatic pads is amazing. I remember seeing the pad instances individually laid out on the config.yaml. This is night and day, bravo!
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## message-1443525588500353085
**2025-11-27T08:55:19.707+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Hi Trevor, if you want to use the CoB bonding option:
1. Do not change the number of pads on any side. This ensures that the bondpad placement stays exactly the same.
2. The VSS pads are shorted on the default breakout PCB. This is why you should not change any of the ground pins.
3. As for whether you can provide your own PCB, @Andrew Wingate should be able to answer that.
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**2025-11-27T08:55:35.313+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I'm glad you appreciate the updated template. Having all pad instances individually was really too much 😄
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## message-1443534341920784414
**2025-11-27T09:30:06.685+00:00 — Noritsuna Imamura (@noritsunaimamura)**
- Message ID: `1443534341920784414`
- Author ID: `754661674145022032`
- Nickname: Noritsuna Imamura
- User name: noritsunaimamura
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443534341920784414
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**Content**
```text
Our GDS had errors in the zero polygon and wide metal. (The new check item is functioning properly.)
We fixed our GDS, and the new precheck was successful.
https://github.com/ishi-kai/ISHI-KAI_Multiple_Projects_WaferSapce-GF180-1/raw/main/images/precheck_5th_OK.png
- precheck log
https://github.com/ishi-kai/ISHI-KAI_Multiple_Projects_WaferSapce-GF180-1/tree/main/precheck_log/RUN_2025-11-27_10-26-31
- GDS
https://github.com/ishi-kai/ISHI-KAI_Multiple_Projects_WaferSapce-GF180-1/blob/main/gds/ISHI-KAI_WS_RUN1.zip
```
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## message-1443608525418004500
**2025-11-27T14:24:53.409+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443608525418004500`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443608525418004500
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**Content**
```text
I'm getting a couple of hundred klayout DRCs in the standard cell region. They're all `CO.6a (i) Metal1 (< 0.34um) end-of-line overlap contact`. Only other mention I found on this discord was https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1424739011846471740/1424745841952030860. Any ideas what could be causing that? I'm using 9-track cells if that helps
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## message-1443608708444586035
**2025-11-27T14:25:37.046+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443608708444586035`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443608708444586035
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I have to confess I've not merged the project template for about a week and a half, so I could be missing some updates
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## message-1443609583930183841
**2025-11-27T14:29:05.778+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443609583930183841`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443609583930183841
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%F0%9F%8F%97%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Designing/project-template/2025-11/2025-11.json
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```text
here is one point it flagged between 33/0 and 34/0 (presumably m1 and contact). 1 box = 20 nm
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## message-1443610204095774883
**2025-11-27T14:31:33.637+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443610204095774883`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443610204095774883
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https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_07_13.html
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## message-1443610258487382088
**2025-11-27T14:31:46.605+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443610258487382088`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443610258487382088
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I'm trying to understand the rule but ... it's not super clear TBH 😅
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## message-1443610319946780704
**2025-11-27T14:32:01.258+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443610319946780704`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443610319946780704
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```text
Can you zoom out a bit ? Does the line "end" there ?
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## message-1443610380311068682
**2025-11-27T14:32:15.65+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443610380311068682`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443610380311068682
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I know this rule!
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## message-1443610396639367211
**2025-11-27T14:32:19.543+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443610396639367211`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443610396639367211
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```text
It needs some metal right here
```
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## message-1443610674591961199
**2025-11-27T14:33:25.812+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443610674591961199`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443610674591961199
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There is a separate contact overlap minimum for traces that are exactly the minimum-width and at the end of their line.
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## message-1443610680396877997
**2025-11-27T14:33:27.196+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443610680396877997`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443610680396877997
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Well KLayout seems convinced it does, but I'm not sure it's not an error in the KLayout deck.
For me I see that as falling in the CO.6b case.
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## message-1443611309047550012
**2025-11-27T14:35:57.078+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443611309047550012`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443611309047550012
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When a trace terminates at a contact, then the edge opposite to where the trace extends is the "end of line"
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## message-1443611377355718757
**2025-11-27T14:36:13.364+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443611377355718757`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443611377355718757
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In these cases, additional overlap is needed
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## message-1443611429637980260
**2025-11-27T14:36:25.829+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443611429637980260`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443611429637980260
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Which is only partially true for the example shown here, but it seems its still covered by the rule.
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## message-1443611589050892439
**2025-11-27T14:37:03.836+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443611589050892439`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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For now, I suggest adding the affected standard cells to the exclude lists.
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## message-1443611887983136980
**2025-11-27T14:38:15.107+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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OTOH that cell library was made by GF so when there is doubt, I tend to suspect the KLayout deck more.
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## message-1443611902289641522
**2025-11-27T14:38:18.518+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Actually, the overlap shown here is *tiny.* I doubt this would pass even magic DRC.
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## message-1443612131344777339
**2025-11-27T14:39:13.129+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443612131344777339`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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CO.6b rule is specially for that case that says if the overlap is less than 40 nm you can "compensate" by having a bigger overlap on the adjacent sides.
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## message-1443612311322628267
**2025-11-27T14:39:56.039+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443612311322628267`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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But I agree that excluding the affected cell is the easiest thing to do given the time constraints.
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## message-1443615538793414868
**2025-11-27T14:52:45.528+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443615538793414868`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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```text
This is a zoom-out of the same region. It doesn't end, just necks down
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## message-1443615621832118408
**2025-11-27T14:53:05.326+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443615621832118408`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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actually this looks like it is inside of one of the std cells 🤔
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## message-1443615935868043274
**2025-11-27T14:54:20.198+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443615935868043274`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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```text
yeah, it's an icgtp_1
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## message-1443616540632158381
**2025-11-27T14:56:44.385+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443616540632158381`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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```text
circled it here. from: https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/digital/standard_cells/gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu9t5v0/cells/icgtp/gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu9t5v0__icgtp_1.html
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## message-1443616761533698090
**2025-11-27T14:57:37.052+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443616761533698090`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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it's clean with magic DRC (apart from all the overlapping filler cells)
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## message-1443618155246391377
**2025-11-27T15:03:09.339+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443618155246391377`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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Yeah I clicked through all 200 CO.6a warnings and they're all the same spot in the `icgtp_1`. I also have four `PL.3a : Space on COMP/Field: 0.24µm` which are just for the four orientations of the same cell. Inclined to waive given it's a foundry cell...
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## message-1443618204164427888
**2025-11-27T15:03:21.002+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Yes, so for me that's valid and the KLayout DRC is an error.
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## message-1443618416631218286
**2025-11-27T15:04:11.658+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443618416631218286`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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The points flagged by PL.3a are across this neck on 30/0 in the `icgtp_1` cell:
```
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## message-1443619017645359347
**2025-11-27T15:06:34.951+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443619017645359347`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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My pattern recognition monkey brain is telling me this is just the two-gate poly on the left-hand side of the cell in my picture
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## message-1443619395086585856
**2025-11-27T15:08:04.94+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443619395086585856`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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Oh that's definitely a bug right? It's treating it as multiple polygons and saying they violate spacing
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## message-1443619993462767657
**2025-11-27T15:10:27.604+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443619993462767657`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Yeah, that seems weird to me too. How wide is the neck down ?
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## message-1443620320601964695
**2025-11-27T15:11:45.6+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443620320601964695`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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in x it's about 0.22 um
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## message-1443620468203458581
**2025-11-27T15:12:20.791+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443620468203458581`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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I wonder if it's actually flagging the y distance between the two horizontals, since it's a spacing rule
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## message-1443620511086018640
**2025-11-27T15:12:31.015+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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(the y distance is around 0.10 um)
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## message-1443621055057891530
**2025-11-27T15:14:40.708+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I looked at the cell, it all seems good to me.
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## message-1443621586870472715
**2025-11-27T15:16:47.502+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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nice, thank you
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## message-1443621613806289148
**2025-11-27T15:16:53.924+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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I think I'm DRC clean then (for now)
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## message-1443621664259833998
**2025-11-27T15:17:05.953+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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is it possible to waive a specific cell for the klayout checks? (in librelane)
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## message-1443622109720088698
**2025-11-27T15:18:52.159+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Thanks for the investigation, that makes things easy for me 😁
The easiest path forward is to exclude this cell from synthesis and PnR. Does `_icgtp_2` (if it exists) have the same issues?
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## message-1443622421780369548
**2025-11-27T15:20:06.56+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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1 and 2 both have the metal neck around the via. 4 does not
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## message-1443622527401332817
**2025-11-27T15:20:31.742+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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they all seem to have the same kink in the poly
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## message-1443622641234870396
**2025-11-27T15:20:58.882+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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I'd rather not remove clock gating as it would hurt QoR quite a bit given this cell library lacks DFFEs
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## message-1443622857438527691
**2025-11-27T15:21:50.429+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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also I think the map file for lighter is buried deep inside librelane or openroad somewhere
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## message-1443622997905641606
**2025-11-27T15:22:23.919+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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Has anyone used Slang and gotten the power ports to work? It looks like yosys-slang doesn't support inout ports?
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## message-1443623510667821167
**2025-11-27T15:24:26.171+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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It does support them, but I think you need to keep the hierarchy, if I recall correctly. See here: https://github.com/mole99/greyhound-ihp/blob/2a2cf3e284a2f2486b71e48212d01458f55e8a0e/config.yaml#L103
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## message-1443624167256883221
**2025-11-27T15:27:02.714+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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Looks like that worked, thanks!
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## message-1443624533125894174
**2025-11-27T15:28:29.944+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Alright, I absolutely get your point. The problem with waiving is, there is currently no way to ignore a cell in KLayout with the current setup afaik.
In the worst case I can take a manual look at the submission and waive those errors.
Ideally, I would find the time to fix them before the tapeout, unfortunately time is currently rare.
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## message-1443624727473160233
**2025-11-27T15:29:16.28+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Could you open an issue detailing both issues (collecting the info from above)?
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## message-1443627206575132813
**2025-11-27T15:39:07.344+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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ok, in that case is there a way to add a `grep -v` or so to the log lint in librelane?
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## message-1443627470841712813
**2025-11-27T15:40:10.35+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443627470841712813`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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Separately I get magic DRC errors for overlapping identical filler cells (I think other people have seen this) and this is harmless afaict but prevents me from running `make copy-final`
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## message-1443628030055420026
**2025-11-27T15:42:23.677+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1443628030055420026`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
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What causes icgtp?
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## message-1443628085336342741
**2025-11-27T15:42:36.857+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443628085336342741`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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either clock gating inference or manual instantiation (I have both)
```
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## message-1443628227338833921
**2025-11-27T15:43:10.713+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1443628227338833921`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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hmm
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## message-1443628348592095343
**2025-11-27T15:43:39.622+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1443628348592095343`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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LibreLane counts the DRC errors in the `.lydrb` that was produced by KLayout. So I don't think that would help. You would need a filter inside of that function.
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## message-1443628467257217185
**2025-11-27T15:44:07.914+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443628467257217185`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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how have people waived DRCs on past tapeouts?
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## message-1443628615987105873
**2025-11-27T15:44:43.374+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443628615987105873`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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(I'm filing an issue with all of the pictures)
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## message-1443628697310724147
**2025-11-27T15:45:02.763+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1443628697310724147`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
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I don't think that's the issue. The default template should also have these overlap issues, but they should be ignored by LibreLane afaik.
If you get any DRC violations, LibreLane won't create the `final` folder.
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## message-1443629149498638377
**2025-11-27T15:46:50.573+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1443629149498638377`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
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```text
These are my primitives for GF180.
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## message-1443629555171725392
**2025-11-27T15:48:27.293+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443629555171725392`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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ohhh you're right, I actually have some new magic DRCs:
```
Poly overlap of contact < 0.065um (CO.3)
MV N-Diffusion overlap of contact < 0.065um (CO.4)
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## message-1443631404486496267
**2025-11-27T15:55:48.204+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443631404486496267`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
Here's one of the CO.3 violations: contact poly overlap here in `dffrnq_4`. For scale the thick part of that poly is 500 nm across.
```
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## message-1443633262051328111
**2025-11-27T16:03:11.082+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443633262051328111`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2025-11-27T16:08:40.939+00:00
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You won't have any clock gating cells if you don't explicitly enable it. Also you got lucky and your `dffrnq` (flop with async reset) are all drive=1.
```
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## message-1443640375548842055
**2025-11-27T16:31:27.072+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1443640375548842055`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
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Oh, I was using some negedge resetn signals. I’ve removed them now.
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## message-1443641048747212921
**2025-11-27T16:34:07.575+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1443641048747212921`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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- Edited: 2025-11-27T16:34:47.31+00:00
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stage 06
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## message-1443642037915226183
**2025-11-27T16:38:03.411+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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I wrote up those DRC issues with some pictures: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/issues/34
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## message-1443642401393479902
**2025-11-27T16:39:30.071+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Last time, I brought you the neverending LVS run, today, I bring you the Synthesis run from hell:
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## message-1443642465016877238
**2025-11-27T16:39:45.24+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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if you have no async reset in your design then how do you know that resetting your chip puts all the pads into tristate?
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## message-1443642603831558205
**2025-11-27T16:40:18.336+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443642603831558205`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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is this still a gate ROM? I found ABC was thinking incredibly hard about my 256-byte ROM and it helped to have a pipestage after it
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## message-1443642710698229909
**2025-11-27T16:40:43.815+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443642710698229909`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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No, this is something different.
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## message-1443642774632009870
**2025-11-27T16:40:59.058+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443642774632009870`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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What does ABC even stand for?
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## message-1443643060436205588
**2025-11-27T16:42:07.199+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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https://people.eecs.berkeley.edu/~alanmi/abc/
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## message-1443643143600996525
**2025-11-27T16:42:27.027+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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That's a logic mapper used by yosyis.
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## message-1443645122389606441
**2025-11-27T16:50:18.807+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/IPs/IO/gf180mcu_fd_io/tri_state_2.html
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## message-1443645864752189521
**2025-11-27T16:53:15.8+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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yes that's a tristate buffer?
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## message-1443646164988723302
**2025-11-27T16:54:27.382+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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is there an async path from your reset input to OE or do you have to clock the chip to stop it from driving its outputs in reset?
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## message-1443647166651306116
**2025-11-27T16:58:26.197+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I wrote a DM
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## message-1443656126519447594
**2025-11-27T17:34:02.396+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Do we need a power-on reset chip?
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## message-1443656309869121777
**2025-11-27T17:34:46.11+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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A PoR would be nice for future tapeouts. I'm just treating my reset input pad as a PoR.
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## message-1443656586173218957
**2025-11-27T17:35:51.986+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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sonst macht das alles kein Sinn im Chip
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## message-1443657200366129272
**2025-11-27T17:38:18.421+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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tristating all of your outputs when held in reset is pretty common and not just a PoR thing. For example it lets you drive other signals into those PCB traces on your board when you're debugging. If you have two chips on a bidirectional bus and they **both** enable their outputs at reset then that creates drive contention. Etc
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## message-1443657517786726591
**2025-11-27T17:39:34.1+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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on a real board your chip may be held in reset for some time with its clock stopped while power rails are sequenced
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## message-1443661713244160184
**2025-11-27T17:56:14.375+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Quick question: instead of a synchronizer, Hirosh could use an async apply and sync remove circuit for the reset. The ouput of this circuit gates the bidir OE and also goes into his circuit. So when you apply the reset, the bidir pads are immediately in a safe state. If you remove the reset, his circuit still works as before. Did I understand this correctly?
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## message-1443662116589666507
**2025-11-27T17:57:50.54+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Yep that seems like it would work
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## message-1443662187036934217
**2025-11-27T17:58:07.336+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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so you have an async reset, which is derived from the reset pad input with an async reset synchroniser
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## message-1443662336366874886
**2025-11-27T17:58:42.939+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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that resets the pads and also goes into another synchroniser which generates the sync reset used for your digital logic
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## message-1443662454369550526
**2025-11-27T17:59:11.073+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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something like that would work. I don't think he necessarily needs to make any changes but for a "production" chip it's certainly unusual to drive outputs at start of day
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## message-1443662686784196671
**2025-11-27T18:00:06.485+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Why do you need another synchronizer afterwards? The reset signal is then already asynchronously removed.
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## message-1443662961943253165
**2025-11-27T18:01:12.088+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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depends how your resets are constrained but if you allow async transitions to propagate to a sync reset net then that usually needs a timing exception
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## message-1443663017915978019
**2025-11-27T18:01:25.433+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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even if it is async apply, sync remove
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## message-1443663058517098720
**2025-11-27T18:01:35.113+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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I see, thanks!
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## message-1443663080428015781
**2025-11-27T18:01:40.337+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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And another one: Without a PoR the outputs can still be in an unknown state during power up, right? Holding the reset low doesn't help in that case, as the input pads could be doing anything?
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## message-1443663493881401354
**2025-11-27T18:03:18.912+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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I don't have a simple answer to that and don't fully understand it myself. There's a question there about how the pads behave during ramp-up, and how the logic cells behave at much less than nominal voltage
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## message-1443663649364381866
**2025-11-27T18:03:55.982+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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If you have an async path from the reset that disables the pads then any spurious enable during power supply ramp will at least be a short-lived transient
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## message-1443663789131173940
**2025-11-27T18:04:29.305+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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"It's complicated" is what I thought as well 😄
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## message-1443663895418896465
**2025-11-27T18:04:54.646+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443663895418896465
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my answer as a digital designer is values other than 1 and 0 don't exist and can't hurt me
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## message-1443664365671940147
**2025-11-27T18:06:46.763+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1443664365671940147`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Thanks for all the tips. It's great to have so many people with different experiences around. There's something for everyone to learn 👏
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## message-1443664956473081918
**2025-11-27T18:09:07.621+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443664956473081918`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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yeah this project has been a huge learning curve for me. Thanks for all the help, hope I'm not too annoying with flagging issues
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## message-1443665373978169405
**2025-11-27T18:10:47.162+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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On the contrary, it is greatly appreciated!
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## message-1443665392466792540
**2025-11-27T18:10:51.57+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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@LukeW thank you
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## message-1443665412062576640
**2025-11-27T18:10:56.242+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1443665412062576640`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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## message-1443665460267581521
**2025-11-27T18:11:07.735+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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## message-1443665514076438722
**2025-11-27T18:11:20.564+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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@Leo Moser (mole99) thank you 🙂
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## message-1443665674466496608
**2025-11-27T18:11:58.804+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1443665674466496608`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Now only the synchronizer to the core is missing 👍
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## message-1443665742502297712
**2025-11-27T18:12:15.025+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Functionally looks good, might look funny in STA though. I would add a false path between the synchroniser output and the pad OE signals
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## message-1443666027031433347
**2025-11-27T18:13:22.862+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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is inside the soc
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## message-1443666998482567289
**2025-11-27T18:17:14.474+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Could I use (* async_reg="true" *) reg [1:0] ff;
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## message-1443668604947267625
**2025-11-27T18:23:37.485+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Maybe @LukeW Do you have an example to set false path. I think I need it for 2 signals 😉
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## message-1443668759922348144
**2025-11-27T18:24:14.434+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1443668759922348144`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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https://github.com/Wren6991/RISCBoy-180/blob/bb4540d8b1ee8493448395a5b010c80b37377010/librelane/chip_top.sdc
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## message-1443669485776146483
**2025-11-27T18:27:07.491+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443669485776146483`
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````text
Most of them come from this wildcard:
```tcl
# Apply RTL-inserted false path constraints (setup/hold only, still constrain slew)
set_false_path -setup -hold -through [get_pins *.magic_falsepath_anchor_u/Z]
```
And then there is an RTL module that inserts magic buffers for the constraints:
https://github.com/Wren6991/RISCBoy-180/blob/bb4540d8b1ee8493448395a5b010c80b37377010/hdl/cells/falsepath_anchor.v
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## message-1443670493587701870
**2025-11-27T18:31:07.772+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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```text
You can also do it directly in the sdc, something like `set_false_path -setup -hold -from sync_reg_name_here/Q -to *_PAD/OE` but it's a bit cumbersome in this flow because flops don't have predictable names unless you instantiate them yourself
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## message-1443675548856619008
**2025-11-27T18:51:13.042+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Hi-z
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## message-1443676405916369038
**2025-11-27T18:54:37.381+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1443676405916369038`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
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```text
⚙️ Update to the precheck, version [1.2.1](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/releases/tag/1.2.1).
- Zero area polygons are checked.
- The layout origin and size are checked depending on the selected slot size, the default is `1x1`.
- Ensure that `PDK_ROOT` and `PDK` are set.
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**2025-11-27T18:54:51.474+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Pinned a message.
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## message-1443677963672486121
**2025-11-27T19:00:48.779+00:00 — urish**
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will try in on ttgf0p2
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## message-1443678067854676168
**2025-11-27T19:01:13.618+00:00 — urish**
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https://github.com/TinyTapeout/tinytapeout-gf-0p2/actions/runs/19745733739
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## message-1443686305811791924
**2025-11-27T19:33:57.7+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Should I apply the same approach to the FPGA as well?
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## message-1443699546122223656
**2025-11-27T20:26:34.436+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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You can? FPGAs normally already handle this with their own PoR, before your bitstream ever loads
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## message-1443700448853758102
**2025-11-27T20:30:09.664+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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Yes, that's what I thought, which is why I wanted to ask you again.
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## message-1443721711903178772
**2025-11-27T21:54:39.17+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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## message-1443738894305595545
**2025-11-27T23:02:55.774+00:00 — Noritsuna Imamura (@noritsunaimamura)**
- Message ID: `1443738894305595545`
- Author ID: `754661674145022032`
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- User name: noritsunaimamura
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```text
Update to the precheck, version 1.2.1.
All Green!
https://github.com/ishi-kai/ISHI-KAI_Multiple_Projects_WaferSapce-GF180-1/raw/main/images/precheck_6th_OK.png
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## message-1443754111227924531
**2025-11-28T00:03:23.771+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443754111227924531`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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**Content**
```text
Is there a "routing keep-out" layer I can define in KLayout?
```
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## message-1443756483367141486
**2025-11-28T00:12:49.333+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**
- Message ID: `1443756483367141486`
- Author ID: `543162393413287956`
- Nickname: htamas
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```text
You can add a macro with an empty .gds and a .lef file with an `OBS` block containing a rectangle on the right metal layer. I don't think klayout can write .lef files but they are easy to write by hand.
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## message-1443757590482784367
**2025-11-28T00:17:13.29+00:00 — htamas (@h.tamas)**
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## message-1443759516805234800
**2025-11-28T00:24:52.561+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
- Message ID: `1443759516805234800`
- Author ID: `738396032295108721`
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```text
@Tholin you may already be aware, but I believe you can also specify obstruction areas in the openlane config file.
```
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## message-1443765391191969842
**2025-11-28T00:48:13.124+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1443765391191969842`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443765391191969842
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**Content**
```text
Sorry, let me rephrase: how can I block *just* routing while leaving the PDN free to do what it wants?
```
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## message-1443768563499274251
**2025-11-28T01:00:49.461+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1443768563499274251`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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```text
is there somewhere in the flow that lists overall stats like total transistors, etc?
```
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## message-1443770456359436389
**2025-11-28T01:08:20.754+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443770456359436389`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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```text
Every step in a run should have a `state_out.json`. Have a look at the `metrics` key in the JSON file, maybe that has what you're looking for?
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## message-1443770680272486532
**2025-11-28T01:09:14.139+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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````text
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Maybe more detail than you wanted 🙂
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## message-1443771305504669837
**2025-11-28T01:11:43.206+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443771305504669837`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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- User name: _luke_w_
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**Content**
```text
Doesn't go down to transistor count unfortunately because the design flow is working with bigger units than transistors. If you wanted a transistor count you could write some script to scrape the transistors from the std cell spice netlist `gf180mcu/gf180mcuD/libs.ref/gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0/spice/gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0.spice` and then multiply by instance counts scraped from your netlist
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## message-1443813123088847009
**2025-11-28T03:57:53.295+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1443813123088847009`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
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**Content**
````text
When using the slang frontend, I'm seeing errors, this line in config.yaml suggested this was a tested option. Maybe I'm the first to try it 😅
```
# Enable plugin for better SystemVerilog support
USE_SLANG: True
```
The error seems to be slang's handling of the VDD/VSS connecting in the netlist it passes through to yosys. Not liking the `inout` type.
```
use_slang
6. Executing SLANG frontend.
src/chip_core.sv:12:17: error: direction 'InOut' on inlined port connection unsupported
inout wire VDD,
^
src/chip_core.sv:13:17: error: direction 'InOut' on inlined port connection unsupported
inout wire VSS,
^
src/chip_core.sv:32:39: error: direction 'InOut' on inlined port connection unsupported
inout wire [NUM_ANALOG_PADS-1:0] analog // Analog
^
ERROR: Compilation failed
```
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## message-1443813616573878335
**2025-11-28T03:59:50.951+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1443813616573878335`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
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**Content**
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I was seeing this with a custom design that's using some systemverilog feature to carry arrays of signals into a module. Which plain yosys does not understand.
But I have confirmed the issue with the vanilla template.
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## message-1443815629139218554
**2025-11-28T04:07:50.784+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443815629139218554`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Reply`
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apparently there is a workaround: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443623510667821167
```
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## message-1443815951022817393
**2025-11-28T04:09:07.527+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1443815951022817393`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
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```text
Ahh, I should have searched this channel before asking :doh:
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## message-1443833390322290851
**2025-11-28T05:18:25.38+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1443833390322290851`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
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**Content**
````text
New error, but this time I'm pretty sure it's related to my RTL
```
6. Executing SLANG frontend.
ERROR: Assert `count_id(cell->name) == 0' failed in kernel/rtlil.cc:2624.
```
````
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## message-1443843361487192109
**2025-11-28T05:58:02.691+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1443843361487192109`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443843361487192109
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```text
Has anyone used Fault with this template? I've never used it before and hoping for an easy integration, any tips would be welcome!
```
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## message-1443860622193328128
**2025-11-28T07:06:37.964+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1443860622193328128`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
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It is probably more advisable to create a macro with DFT support and integrate this macro into the chip.
The successor to Fault is Difetto: https://github.com/donn/difetto/tree/main
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## message-1443867514336444487
**2025-11-28T07:34:01.179+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1443867514336444487`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
- Type: `Reply`
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Thanks I'll look into that!
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## message-1443867797980581969
**2025-11-28T07:35:08.805+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1443867797980581969`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-28T07:35:27.942+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443867797980581969
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```text
Has anyone seen this?
`XOR: missing required input 'mag_gds'`
I get it at the end of a run during the KLayout vs. Magic XOR step.
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## message-1443868133369839707
**2025-11-28T07:36:28.768+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443868133369839707`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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```text
Did you disable the magic streamout step by any chance ?
```
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## message-1443868826176327690
**2025-11-28T07:39:13.946+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1443868826176327690`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
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I pulled a fresh template earlier today and haven't changed the config except for macros and to use SLANG.
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## message-1443869816216748122
**2025-11-28T07:43:09.99+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1443869816216748122`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
- Type: `Default`
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````text
```tcl
meta:
version: 3
flow: Chip
substituting_steps:
# Disable KLayout DRC
#KLayout.DRC: null
#Checker.KLayoutDRC: null
# Disable KLayout antenna check
KLayout.Antenna: null
Checker.KLayoutAntenna: null
# Disable KLayout density check
#KLayout.Density: null
#Checker.KLayoutDensity: null
# Save time during development
# Enable for sign-off
#OpenROAD.IRDropReport: null
#Magic.DRC: null
#Checker.MagicDRC: null
#KLayout.XOR: null
#Netgen.LVS: null
#Checker.LVS: null
PRIMARY_GDSII_STREAMOUT_TOOL: klayout
```
This is some relevant lines from the config.yaml.
````
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## message-1443871184851701832
**2025-11-28T07:48:36.298+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1443871184851701832`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
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Are you using macOS by any chance?
@LukeW Didn't you encounter this error as well?
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## message-1443871856770809909
**2025-11-28T07:51:16.496+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443871856770809909`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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In the `runs` directory, do you see it running magic stream out ?
```
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## message-1443873516880531597
**2025-11-28T07:57:52.297+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1443873516880531597`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
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Yes, I am on a mac.
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## message-1443874236061061174
**2025-11-28T08:00:43.763+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1443874236061061174`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2025-11-28T08:01:07.452+00:00
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```text
Yes... Interestingly the log shows:
Up at the top (not sure if this is important just caught my eye):
`Using NULL graphics device.`
Then at the bottom:
`Cannot open .../librelane/runs/RUN_2025-11-28_00-08-28/73-magic-streamout/chip_top.magic.gds to write GDS-II stream output`
I only have a `chip_top.mag` , no .magic.gds.
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## message-1443875723340152863
**2025-11-28T08:06:38.358+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443875723340152863`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
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NULL is normal, just means it's running in console, no GUI output.
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## message-1443875749345103915
**2025-11-28T08:06:44.558+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443875749345103915`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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The bottom one is not normal 🙂
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## message-1443879406962610287
**2025-11-28T08:21:16.602+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Now I remember, you likely reached the limit of max open file handlers!
You can try to increase it with `ulimit`. A proper fix would be for LibreLane to tell magic it doesn't have to lock the files. It's on my list...
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## message-1443890411054825483
**2025-11-28T09:05:00.182+00:00 — urish**
- Message ID: `1443890411054825483`
- Author ID: `732347216412278825`
- Nickname: urish
- User name: urish
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443890411054825483
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Passed!
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## message-1443892012133781618
**2025-11-28T09:11:21.909+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443892012133781618
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You could probably use the prebuilt docker containers @ https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/pkgs/container/gf180mcu-precheck
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## message-1443893081392025743
**2025-11-28T09:15:36.84+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
- Message ID: `1443893081392025743`
- Author ID: `738396032295108721`
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- Type: `Reply`
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Thanks, I'll check it out.
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## message-1443898425018941511
**2025-11-28T09:36:50.86+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1443898425018941511`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
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I maxed my limit, and unfortunately, the error still persists.
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## message-1443975049190183024
**2025-11-28T14:41:19.486+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1443975049190183024`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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For now, it might be the best path forward to use a Linux machine to build the complete ASIC.
Unfortunately, there seem to be a number of differences between the Linux and macOS versions of the tools.
```
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## message-1443976415384043725
**2025-11-28T14:46:45.212+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443976415384043725`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Reply`
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The issue I had was on Ubuntu 24 LTS. I was getting a zero bytes magic GDS because magic failed to open some of the IP mag files. I found my soft open file limit was 1024 and increasing it with `ulimit -Sn 4096` solved that particular issue.
On MacOS I have a different issue which is that I get actual XORs between KLayout and Magic GDS. I didn't diagnose that, I just stopped using MacOS for now (it also tends to crash in the detailed router).
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## message-1443976831928893470
**2025-11-28T14:48:24.524+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1443976831928893470`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-28T14:48:35.205+00:00
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Possibly related is someone on sky130 had klayout on MacOS hallucinate DRC violations that weren't there ( and don't show up when running klayout on linux ).
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## message-1443979042251608196
**2025-11-28T14:57:11.506+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, he created an issue: https://github.com/KLayout/klayout/issues/2231
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## message-1443981439829020672
**2025-11-28T15:06:43.133+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1443981439829020672`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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this'll do, thanks! I assume the cells used in a macro are counted in the instance stdcell count? was trying to get a sense for how many transistors/cells were in my logic but not the sram macros. Not really important, just curious 🙂
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## message-1443981680489664653
**2025-11-28T15:07:40.511+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443981680489664653`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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I think the SRAM macros are just counted as whole macros, so they don't appear in the cell instance counts there. They're usually custom layout, not standard cells
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## message-1443981799893111049
**2025-11-28T15:08:08.979+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1443981799893111049`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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for a rough transistor count estimate just multiply the number of SRAM bits by 6
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## message-1443982300978352219
**2025-11-28T15:10:08.447+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1443982300978352219`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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oh awesome, that's perfect. cheers
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## message-1444072238776057897
**2025-11-28T21:07:31.289+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1444072238776057897`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-28T21:17:27.839+00:00
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I’d like to share how GF180mcu KianV ASIC SoC will behave.
It currently runs on an FPGA at 30 MHz, using the same setup we have on wafer.space GF180mcu.
We’ll show a short demo over the serial console; the rest will be over Telnet, we support spi/ethernet on the chip.
The design will become a tiny Linux network SoC. It already runs XV6 (the MIT teaching Unix) , and μLinux.
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## message-1444084312537305159
**2025-11-28T21:55:29.898+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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Kernel 6.18.0-rc5 riscv32
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## message-1444104465777950805
**2025-11-28T23:15:34.805+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1444104751691333682
**2025-11-28T23:16:42.972+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1444104751691333682`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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How are you running the precheck on GitHub Actions? Are you using custom runners? I thought that the precheck was too resource heavy for the actions?
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## message-1444105413493784667
**2025-11-28T23:19:20.758+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@carlfk / @asic destroyer - Do you think we could get this running on fpgas.online? I'm guessing the issue is SDRAM controller and https://fpgas.online only having Arty boards with DDR3?
@carlfk - Did I ever end up giving you ulx3s boards or did they all end up in my shipping container? I think I had them as the 3rd priority FPGAs to get onto https://fpgas.online behind the NeTV2 boards?
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## message-1444106019964850207
**2025-11-28T23:21:45.352+00:00 — carlfk**
- Message ID: `1444106019964850207`
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I don't think you gave me or I have any ulx3s
```
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## message-1444106164114817074
**2025-11-28T23:22:19.72+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1444106164114817074`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@asic destroyer - I assume you are using ulx3s boards?
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## message-1444106262043295885
**2025-11-28T23:22:43.068+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Yes, best board on earth 🙂
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## message-1444107085305348186
**2025-11-28T23:25:59.349+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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The FPGA design targets multiple boards.
ASIC and ULX3s differs only in the top-level module.
The underlying hierarchy remains identical in behavior.
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## message-1444107318512844972
**2025-11-28T23:26:54.95+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I need only 32MiB SDRAM, I could built top for ARTIX7, ecp5, cyclone, gatemate, ...
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## message-1444107591134220413
**2025-11-28T23:27:59.948+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell @GoranMahovlic sells ulx3s on https://www.ebay.de/itm/385678851894?_skw=ulx3s&itmmeta=01KB6CNS3DATNKFMD1BADXY67H&hash=item59cc403f36:g:EbYAAOSwdBpjvJtw&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA4FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1fwK1STpgN5pylpk0DDHI4qgOMwtWMnwHddsMaZ--aq3DW7e3EB8j26DYmkpKx441kiUMlJEmXbwEMNnBW7WPlmo61%2FPLyYGXGuiYPxwJymjdgnkgawKFn0aUZLj6ciIwu7V5bQdM2l3YaVkC3ZJ5Ai6WuIb0GcpLzbmOTZbEXIHHz3VEGlr8alajydtJqUfaQeXUS74VKBttzRMap%2FJEPuQYDY5W%2BG2KqT6kCAC5MM1Z9NmjHYoWPaGpRD9kQiXn3N3r%2B83W3rk92piNCIaEjn%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-KS18zZZg
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## message-1444107892491030721
**2025-11-28T23:29:11.797+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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I had a video chat with @GoranMahovlic a while back and he offered to help with supplying the ulx3s for https://fpgas.online and wafer.space related stuff
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## message-1444108630587871373
**2025-11-28T23:32:07.773+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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The designs fits into 12f
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## message-1444109183686279298
**2025-11-28T23:34:19.642+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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Do you want ASIC-like behavior, or can I optimize it further? I can add more cache (more ways), more TLBs, and still clock it at 70 MHz on the ECP5.
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## message-1444109511450427512
**2025-11-28T23:35:37.787+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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I support these models
```
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## message-1444109813062697111
**2025-11-28T23:36:49.697+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1444109813062697111`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
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But after the deadline, I’m going to heavily rework this repo so it’s based on the ASIC design. After that, I’ll probably only support ULX3S, iCEPi, and the QMTech Wukong.
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## message-1444154016639750337
**2025-11-29T02:32:28.651+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1444154016639750337`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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some dumb pad questions 🙃 :
- we can reconfigure input vs bidirectional pads to suit our design, right? should we leave VDD/VSS alone?
- what's the actual difference between input and bidir? bidir just has extra stuff for sourcing output current or something? (i.e. why would you prefer input over bidir set to input)
- what should I do with unused pins? Set to bidir and bidir_ie = 0 "ignore pad" ?
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## message-1444155421823733961
**2025-11-29T02:38:03.673+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444155421823733961`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
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* yes, all pads are the same size (the two bidi types, the input-only, and the power pads) so changing pad types does not change the pad coordinates
* VDD/VSS need to be left alone to stay bond-compatible with the COBs; you can move them around if you don't rely on the default COB setup
* One case you'd prefer input is for a global reset input, because you don't want that to spuriously enable its output driver during power-up. Pretty much everything else can be bidi
* Tying off A = IE = OE = 0 is one option, you could also put a small hardcoded UART that prints a rude message
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## message-1444156615744946207
**2025-11-29T02:42:48.326+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1444156615744946207`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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awesome, thanks!
And lol at the rude message 😄
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## message-1444157296195276870
**2025-11-29T02:45:30.558+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
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- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
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Or any message. Spare chips could then be used to advertise "BreakingTaps!\r\n" at 9600bps. 😎
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## message-1444212516312973367
**2025-11-29T06:24:56.06+00:00 — urish**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1444306062080737311
**2025-11-29T12:36:39.109+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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We need more silicon artwork!
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## message-1444319338088890450
**2025-11-29T13:29:24.356+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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On my GFMPW-1 multi-project die, giving an invalid project selection code causes the chip pins to become all outputs and go "RTFM!" in binary ASCII
```
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## message-1444339239826227260
**2025-11-29T14:48:29.3+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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````text
Hm, so I added a few 256x8 SRAM macros and it seems unhappy about that now. At step 57 (klayout xor magic) I'm getting a slew of errors which seems to stem from:
```
File /home/ubuntu/gf180mcu-project-template/gf180mcu/gf180mcuD/libs.ref/gf180mcu_fd_ip_sram/mag/M3_M24310590878114_256x8m81.mag couldn't be read
Failure to read entire subtree of the cell.
Failed on cell M3_M24310590878114_256x8m81.
I/O error in writing file /home/ubuntu/gf180mcu-project-template/librelane/runs/RUN_2025-11-29_06-44-00/56-magic-streamout/chip_top.magic.gds.
File may be incompletely written.
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## message-1444340022198272131
**2025-11-29T14:51:35.832+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1444340022198272131`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2025-11-29T14:51:58.343+00:00
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Not positive, but it could possibly be related to:
https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1443879406962610287
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## message-1444340277669138593
**2025-11-29T14:52:36.741+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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was just scrolling up to that. will give it a shot!
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## message-1444344602906591315
**2025-11-29T15:09:47.958+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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while that's chugging along, what's the general road to fixing PVT violations? I guess the easiest fix is just dropping the clock right? any other config changes/tweaks, or is it mostly down to clock speed + layout + what the code is doing?
Edit: related, how much should I care about the non-nominal PVT corners? if nominal looks good are you generally good to go, or is it pretty important to make sure the other corners are passing too?
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## message-1444347436192501920
**2025-11-29T15:21:03.466+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Another DRC clean build
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## message-1444373290624880733
**2025-11-29T17:03:47.643+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1444373290624880733`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
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My understanding is that a hold violation will make the chip non functional, setup timing means it just can't operate at the set clock speed at those corners. I'd say it depends on your chips use case. If you expect the chip to never deviate from normal operation (no power supply issues) or in hot/cold temps then yes you can ignore them if you choose. However those corners cover cases when you say get a power supply surge/drop or the chip get's really hot/cold so they are very important if you don't assume ideal.
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## message-1444374757268000839
**2025-11-29T17:09:37.318+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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makes sense! I'll focus on Holds. Probably easiest to just drop the clock rate, doesn't particularly matter anyway for a demo chip.
i just found some docs on OpenLane which look helpful for improving my background knowledge too, and some config values to tweak: https://openlane2.readthedocs.io/en/latest/usage/timing_closure/index.html
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## message-1444374956283658352
**2025-11-29T17:10:24.767+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Leo taught me that you should eliminate all hold violations in the different voltage domains, and that this is very important. Setup violations are a different matter — you can always deal with those later by adjusting the clock frequency.
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## message-1444375663988703355
**2025-11-29T17:13:13.497+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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noted! is there a shortlist of "ways to fix" that I should be aware of (other than what's at that openlane page)? I'm so new to this I don't really know what knobs are available 🫠
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## message-1444375964048953414
**2025-11-29T17:14:25.037+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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You won’t believe it, I’m a newbie too.
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## message-1444376199647461376
**2025-11-29T17:15:21.208+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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but Leo has helped me a lot.
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## message-1444376333831372880
**2025-11-29T17:15:53.2+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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And luke
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## message-1444387340993822750
**2025-11-29T17:59:37.512+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1444387340993822750`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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It turns out the C64 SID has two built-in ADCs, which I am trying to replicate in my recreation of it as well. Interestingly, they are implemented using just digital logic cells because they’re not true ADCs and are more like....resistance to digital converters. Each ADC pin requires a capacitor and resistor (usually a potentiometer) connected to it. The chip runs a loop of pulling those pins low for a bit, before tri-state-inputing them and running a timer until they register a logic one.
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## message-1444387450330808331
**2025-11-29T18:00:03.58+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Obviously, this depends on the RC circuit’s time constant.
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## message-1444387597253083248
**2025-11-29T18:00:38.609+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Fixing the resistor to measure the capacitance also works.
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## message-1444387717625675897
**2025-11-29T18:01:07.308+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Maybe someone here will find this trick useful.
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## message-1444411549853683732
**2025-11-29T19:35:49.354+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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That mechanism is also similar readout mechanism for potentiometers in paddle controllers - in Atari Pokey chip and Atari 2600 TIA chip!
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## message-1444412997740265572
**2025-11-29T19:41:34.557+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Please check out the LibreLane docs: https://librelane.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
LibreLane is the successor to OpenLane 2, so the docs should be more up to date :)
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## message-1444413233094987876
**2025-11-29T19:42:30.67+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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First thing would be to look at the clock tree in OpenROAD GUI to see if it's reasonably balanced.
If that's the case, then increasing the hold slack margin should mostly resolve the hold violations.
If there are still some remaining, taking a closer look at the timing paths can be helpful.
```
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## message-1444427568815280350
**2025-11-29T20:39:28.572+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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these docs are great, giving them a thorough read-through now. Project template request as complete newbie: I see the docs are linked for nix install, but I _totally_ missed that it also included more general documentation about the build process. 😅 maybe a subsection heading that's basically "If you have questions about build output read these docs" ?
followup questions: how do i judge if the clock tree is balanced? Just visually, seeing if it branches somewhat-nicely?
ditto to how should I check timing paths?
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## message-1444428050035900417
**2025-11-29T20:41:23.304+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- User name: polyfractal
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here's where I'm at currently. Pretty substantially bad on the ss cases but I think trending towards ok everywhere else?
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## message-1444432848244183101
**2025-11-29T21:00:27.286+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1444432848244183101`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-29T21:00:45.82+00:00
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(hmm I do see that the clock line initially has to wind all the way from bottom left up through a bunch of sram blocks. Can probably re-configure everything so the logic is down in the clock corner)
```
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## message-1444436170066100396
**2025-11-29T21:13:39.27+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1444436170066100396`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-29T21:16:50.686+00:00
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````text
I meant to ask this a while ago but forgot is anyone using cocotb tb with SRAM and passing? I'm using verilator and I get quite a few complaints.
```
gf180mcu_fd_ip_sram__sram512x8m8wm1.v:132:28: Unsupported: minimum/typical/maximum delay expressions. Using the typical delay
132 | specparam Tcyc = 55600 : 55600 : 55600;
|
```
This is a typical error. I got this weeks ago and replaced the entire sram section with those with a:
```verilog
`ifndef VERILATOR
specparam Tcyc = 55600 : 55600 : 55600;
...
`endif
```
Then outside the specify block I did:
```verilog
`ifdef VERILATOR
parameter Tcyc = 8183;
parameter Tckh = 4000;
parameter Tckl = 4000;
...
`endif
```
Is there a better way? Since now it's failing all github deployments automatically since it's using the repo direct and not my local changes.
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## message-1444439967647400008
**2025-11-29T21:28:44.684+00:00 — asc (@asc9742)**
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- Author ID: `378788837452677120`
- Nickname: asc
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Is LVS of the foundry io pads able to pass using the netgen LVS script from the project template?
The netgen script we have is causing issues with the pads (see questions channel "Running LVS for padframe")
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## message-1444442881359216772
**2025-11-29T21:40:19.367+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I know you can pass parameters to verilog modules during instantiation, but is it possible to then use those parameters inside the module to do conditional compilation?
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## message-1444442940104773642
**2025-11-29T21:40:33.373+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I need to `ifdef exclude some stuff in a module, but only during one specific instantiation of it.
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## message-1444448709109616660
**2025-11-29T22:03:28.811+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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Try `gds flatglob`ing these cells before reading the gds in magic
```
*Bondpad*
*CLAMP_COR*
*FILL*
*METAL_RAIL*
*NMOS_*
*POWER_RAIL_COR*
*_BASE*
*comp018green*
*diode_nd2ps_06v0_*[A-Z]*
*diode_pd2nw_06v0_*[A-Z]*
*mim_*_*[A-Z]*
*moscap_*
*nmos_*_*[A-Z]*
*nmos_4T_metal_stack*
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*ppolyf_u_*[A-Z]*
*top_route*
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## message-1444464792676073514
**2025-11-29T23:07:23.432+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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Do you mean like this?
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/52061466/verilog-conditional-hardware-based-on-parameter-value
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## message-1444485291762122782
**2025-11-30T00:28:50.795+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Dear @LukeW , @Leo Moser (mole99)
The previous code corrupted the entire netlist for the control signals. I checked your riscvboy-180 implementation and saw that your anchor tricky style approach works for synthesis. Can I simply declare rst_pad as a false path in sdc?
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## message-1444485891614703657
**2025-11-30T00:31:13.811+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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## message-1444491609482989579
**2025-11-30T00:53:57.057+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Would an `if` inside a `generate` block do what you need?
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## message-1444491798742565007
**2025-11-30T00:54:42.18+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yes
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## message-1444505785517477938
**2025-11-30T01:50:16.887+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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During gate-level simulation I found that **CEN has to remain high for one clock cycle**. I had previously hardwired it to 0, but I’ve now combined it with `reset_n`, so the SRAM is operational.
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## message-1444505853620256809
**2025-11-30T01:50:33.124+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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## message-1444505995224158380
**2025-11-30T01:51:06.885+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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I am fairly certain the `cen_fell` thing is a bug in the RAM model where they don't initialise all of their variables
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## message-1444506147498496050
**2025-11-30T01:51:43.19+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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## message-1444506416873214054
**2025-11-30T01:52:47.414+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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ah maybe I had a separate issue which is the model doesn't accept the first access if you start up with CSn high
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## message-1444506515883954306
**2025-11-30T01:53:11.02+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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I haven't looked at the schematic for the SRAM but that would be a super weird requirement 🤔
```
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## message-1444506618460110878
**2025-11-30T01:53:35.476+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1444506618460110878`
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My caches are working!
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## message-1444506632007585792
**2025-11-30T01:53:38.706+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444506632007585792`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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yes IMO it's ok to falsepath the reset pad input since it's synchronised before use
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## message-1444506885465047124
**2025-11-30T01:54:39.135+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1444506885465047124`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
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I was able to boot from flash, copy the code into SDRAM, and execute it via micron sdram model.
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## message-1444506933393490032
**2025-11-30T01:54:50.562+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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nice
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## message-1444507126469886022
**2025-11-30T01:55:36.595+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1444507126469886022`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
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## message-1444507193654382824
**2025-11-30T01:55:52.613+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444507193654382824`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1444507193654382824
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**Content**
```text
@Leo Moser (mole99) those 0.5 x 0.5 slots are so cute 🥺 think they would be a great gate-golf target
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## message-1444507193822150696
**2025-11-30T01:55:52.653+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1444507193822150696`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1444507193822150696
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**Content**
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I got the model from you Luke 2022 🙂
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## message-1444507407165161624
**2025-11-30T01:56:43.518+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444507407165161624`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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how did we choose the number of VDD/VSS pins? seems to have like 75% the IOs of the 1x1 but < 50% the power and ground pins
```
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## message-1444508779319132332
**2025-11-30T02:02:10.665+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1444508779319132332`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
- Type: `Reply`
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FYI for my application, SRAM should remain on once started, I added a small prime latch where on reset, it toggles the CEN for a cycle to ensure it's always started.
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## message-1444509157792153814
**2025-11-30T02:03:40.9+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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that was my fix!
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## message-1444516403263836284
**2025-11-30T02:32:28.355+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1444516403263836284`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-30T02:32:55.765+00:00
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```text
Does anyone have a simple SD card Verilog model for iverilog? I only need SPI support, then I could try booting xv6 Unix.
```
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## message-1444592512705761281
**2025-11-30T07:34:54.26+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1444592512705761281`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
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Looks like it's coming together. This is an updated serv soc design.
28 cores, with each processor making use of the SRAM block for registerfile/program text and ram.
A small FSM pre-loads each cores memory from SPI flash. (similar to an FPGAs bitstream)
The cores are connected via a cross-bar to peripherals. One of which enables core to core communication, via queues or flags.
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## message-1444593348244541545
**2025-11-30T07:38:13.468+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1444593348244541545`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-30T07:38:25.383+00:00
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Given the logic density, I think I could fit 32 cores in there... But didn't want to hit a wall with routing.
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## message-1444593977549651989
**2025-11-30T07:40:43.506+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1444593977549651989`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
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A cross-bar between every core isn't a very scalable solution. But gives a lot of flexibility to the application
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## message-1444610132909752462
**2025-11-30T08:44:55.244+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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CoreScore style @Greg ?
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## message-1444610376342966359
**2025-11-30T08:45:53.283+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1444610376342966359`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
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## message-1444610577375694871
**2025-11-30T08:46:41.213+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1444610577375694871`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
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I did take a look at corescore. We can probably make this the highest ranking serv ASIC on that list 😉
```
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## message-1444613444996173884
**2025-11-30T08:58:04.907+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99)
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## message-1444645005519098027
**2025-11-30T11:03:29.522+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Thanks Hirosh, I did see the question, I just haven't had time to reply yet :)
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## message-1444645136071131269
**2025-11-30T11:04:00.648+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1444645136071131269`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
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The default pinout of the 1x1 slot is based on the TT chip: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sZCpz6yy-bHGaV2BVG4IZOLBWn--WIddM9pkCQm_Vyc/edit?gid=0#gid=0
A number of the VDD/VSS pads will be used for the analog power domain in the future.
In addition, the core are of the 0p5x0p5 chip is less than a quarter of that of the 1x1 chip. That's why I reduced the number of power/ground pads considerably.
It may turn out that this is not enough to support the number of I/Os at high speeds, so we might change that again for run 2.
```
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## message-1444676303725920267
**2025-11-30T13:07:51.596+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
- Nickname: ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
- User name: rzioma
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-11-30T13:08:14.787+00:00
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Z80 in a **quarter** slot. I think it is cute!
```
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## message-1444677015532863601
**2025-11-30T13:10:41.304+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
- Nickname: ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
- User name: rzioma
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@Leo Moser (mole99) quarter slot works! 🙂
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## message-1444682168289726667
**2025-11-30T13:31:09.817+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1444682168289726667`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
I noticed the project template SDC file has `set_input_delay -min 0 -clock $clocks $clk_core_input_ports` which sets the hold time on the inputs to zero. I think that's may be why you've had to turn up the hold slack margin, because it means a bunch of buffering is required on the inputs which is a bit difficult for the flow to get right.
```
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## message-1444690601001095249
**2025-11-30T14:04:40.332+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Make sure to also check that the actual timing of the clock tree in the "Clock Tree Viewer".
This shows the example template where the design is quite sparse so there's a lot of routing between the clock buffers and after SPEF extraction the tree isn't as balanced as it should be (that's why I had to increase the hold margin).
```
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## message-1444691372127948871
**2025-11-30T14:07:44.183+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1444691372127948871`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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- User name: mole99
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For a detailed report on the timing paths, take a look at `librelane/runs//54-openroad-stapostpnr//` and open `min.rpt`/`max.rpt` for hold/setup checks.
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## message-1444692219859701922
**2025-11-30T14:11:06.298+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Have you implemented PIO and SIO?
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## message-1444693940602404925
**2025-11-30T14:17:56.555+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
- Message ID: `1444693940602404925`
- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
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- User name: rzioma
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Well, I looked at a bunch of Z80 computers from back in the day… and I couldn’t find almost a single one that would use Zilog’s PIO/SIO.
So I am actually thinking to focus on ZX Spectrum like machine repairs and put ULA (graphics) and AY (audio) instead.
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## message-1444694125717884948
**2025-11-30T14:18:40.69+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
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If I am missing some, let me know plz!
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## message-1444694178218119261
**2025-11-30T14:18:53.207+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I have no idea 🙂
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## message-1444694445470781530
**2025-11-30T14:19:56.925+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Plus 16KB of RAM if I go full slot.
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## message-1444701239190487153
**2025-11-30T14:46:56.674+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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aha, didn't know that little widget existed in the gui, cheers! Didn't see the timing report tab either. looking through the violators now, looks like my ALU is popping up in the list which is interesting. didn't think I had anything particularly expensive in there but will give examine it closer.
thanks for all th ehelp!
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## message-1444714101807775874
**2025-11-30T15:38:03.361+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1444714101807775874`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1444714101807775874
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Just one more design. I can still fit more. I can do just one more design!
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## message-1444739232311546016
**2025-11-30T17:17:54.94+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I think I’m a little behind. I still have not submitted any GDSIIs and let precheck run.
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## message-1444739246379241624
**2025-11-30T17:17:58.294+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1444739246379241624`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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How do I even do this?
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## message-1444743372584652900
**2025-11-30T17:34:22.058+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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You can do it locally:
https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck
But I believe the test project is where we will end up submitting which just runs that on a server:
https://doc.test-platform.wafer.space
I'd do it locally, mine timed out on the website.
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## message-1444815823750562053
**2025-11-30T22:22:15.762+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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It would be nice to run the SPICE model. I could run it on a remote server and check what it does after a year. How can I run something like that in SPICE?
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## message-1444828491215278272
**2025-11-30T23:12:35.921+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I tried to use the online platform, but it just keeps cycling between "Queued" and "Starting"
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## message-1444847805414903958
**2025-12-01T00:29:20.785+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444847805414903958`
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````text
The `.sdc` in the template has this at the end:
```
if { [info exists ::env(OPENLANE_SDC_IDEAL_CLOCKS)] && $::env(OPENLANE_SDC_IDEAL_CLOCKS) } {
unset_propagated_clock [all_clocks]
} else {
set_propagated_clock [all_clocks]
}
```
However I've instrumented this and that variable is never set in any stages, which is probably why I have multi-hundred-ns clock slew times in pre-CTS STA. @Leo Moser (mole99) do you know what's up with that? librelane sets it here: https://github.com/librelane/librelane/blob/774d6e6f221ccf21bd499e9b8ccba4afeffff4fd/librelane/steps/openroad.py#L725-L728
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## message-1444849547678322730
**2025-12-01T00:36:16.173+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444849547678322730`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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- User name: _luke_w_
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(context for suddenly caring about pre-CTS STA is I wanted to try enabling the resizer earlier in the flow to help with some stubborn setup paths)
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## message-1444859528121417748
**2025-12-01T01:15:55.696+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444859528121417748`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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- Edited: 2025-12-01T01:16:07.056+00:00
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**Content**
````text
I have a dumb workaround:
```tcl
set clk_pins [get_pins -of_objects [get_net -of_objects [get_pins i_chip_core.clkroot_sys_u.magic_clkroot_anchor_u/Z]]]
set clk_loads [llength $clk_pins]
puts "clk_sys has $clk_loads directly connected pins"
if { [expr $clk_loads > 10] } {
puts "Setting all clocks to ideal!"
unset_propagated_clock [all_clocks]
} else {
puts "Setting all clocks to non-ideal"
set_propagated_clock [all_clocks]
}
```
This prints the right messages in the right phases (ideal until after CTS), but even with `unset_propagated_clock [all_clocks]` my early STAs still have enormous clock rise/fall times. Is this just a me problem or do other people's pre-CTS STAs also have huge setup violations due to clock slew?
````
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## message-1444864017532453016
**2025-12-01T01:33:46.055+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
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I thought that was just how it was pre-CTS. I guess there should be some option to tell STA to ignore the load on the clock pin?
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## message-1444864478826074132
**2025-12-01T01:35:36.036+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444864478826074132`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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yeah, that is what the `unset_propagated_clock` is supposed to do:
```
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## message-1444864554528931840
**2025-12-01T01:35:54.085+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444864554528931840`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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## message-1444864832372346992
**2025-12-01T01:37:00.328+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444864832372346992`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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(from OpenSTA docs). Ok so it's not just me, it's other people too 😅 right now there isn't really any usable timing information in the early STA which I imagine is part of the reason the early resizer step has been turned off
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## message-1444868068408033364
**2025-12-01T01:49:51.859+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1444868068408033364`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
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Ah no, hold on - I think it is working. I have massive slew but it's on my rst_n net, not my clock net:
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## message-1444868139585372352
**2025-12-01T01:50:08.829+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1444868139585372352`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
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``` 0.150000 0.000000 0.000000 clock clk_PAD (rise edge)
0.000000 0.000000 clock network delay (ideal)
0.150000 0.000000 0.000000 ^ i_chip_core.tt.i_peripherals.i_simple_peri16.i_spi_ctrl.rstn_gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__dffq_1_Q/CLK (gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__dffq_1)
832 4.638381 110.209221 63.362564 63.362564 ^ i_chip_core.tt.i_peripherals.i_simple_peri16.i_spi_ctrl.rstn_gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__dffq_1_Q/Q (gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__dffq_1)
i_chip_core.tt.i_peripherals.i_simple_peri16.i_spi_ctrl.rstn (net)
110.209221 0.000000 63.362564 ^ i_chip_core.tt.i_peripherals.i_simple_peri19.ay8913.noise_generator.reset_gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__clkinv_1_ZN/I (gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__clkinv_1)
164 0.691456 3.280350 53.123268 116.485832 v i_chip_core.tt.i_peripherals.i_simple_peri19.ay8913.noise_generator.reset_gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__clkinv_1_ZN/ZN (gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__clkinv_1)
i_chip_core.tt.i_peripherals.i_simple_peri19.ay8913.noise_generator.reset (net)
```
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## message-1444868261891280969
**2025-12-01T01:50:37.989+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444868261891280969`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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huhhhh ok, thanks for the datapoint
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## message-1444868294543937861
**2025-12-01T01:50:45.774+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1444868294543937861`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
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That's from 12-openroad-staprepnr
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## message-1444871960717824060
**2025-12-01T02:05:19.858+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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...it's possible this was just me being dumb. There is a whole bunch of other tcl that librelane runs during STA and it might handle ideal clocks there. But yeah I also see the slow unbuffered reset
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## message-1444872074471538721
**2025-12-01T02:05:46.979+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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normally there is a command like `set_ideal_network` which you can use to do the same thing for resets but I don't think OpenSTA supports it
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## message-1444874184940589066
**2025-12-01T02:14:10.154+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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I'm so used to being extremely area constrained on TT that I completely forgot until now that you can set the synth strategy to trade area for speed!
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## message-1444878164995215392
**2025-12-01T02:29:59.073+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444878164995215392`
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- Edited: 2025-12-01T02:33:23.727+00:00
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**Content**
````text
Here is an ugly trick to get it to ignore reset timing pre-CTS (relies on the name of a manual flop instances in my reset synchronisers):
```tcl
set main_clk_pin [get_pins i_chip_core.clkroot_sys_u.magic_clkroot_anchor_u/Z]
set rst_pins [get_pins i_chip_core.*sync*flop2/Q]
set clk_pins [get_pins -of_objects [get_net -of_objects ${main_clk_pin}]]
set clk_loads [llength ${clk_pins}]
puts "clk_sys has ${clk_loads} directly connected pins"
if { [expr $clk_loads > 10] } {
puts "Setting all clocks to ideal!"
unset_propagated_clock [all_clocks]
puts "Case analysing reset nets:"
foreach pin ${rst_pins} {puts [sta::get_full_name ${pin}]}
set_case_analysis 1 ${rst_pins}
} else {
puts "Setting all clocks to non-ideal"
set_propagated_clock [all_clocks]
unset_case_analysis ${rst_pins}
}
```
Seems to work for me. Might give better placement as the datapath delays are actually realistic.
````
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## message-1444891060211023965
**2025-12-01T03:21:13.532+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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I've been working through the synth strategies and haven't seen any real correlation unfortunately. 🙁 `AREA 3` seems to be working best/fastest for my design so far
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## message-1444891789147508808
**2025-12-01T03:24:07.324+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Yeah I was hoping it would fix it as I only needed a couple of ns, but it didn’t seem to
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## message-1444891956739047485
**2025-12-01T03:24:47.281+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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````text
If you add this to your Makefile:
```
librelane-explore: ## Run synthesis exploration
librelane librelane/config.yaml --pdk ${PDK} --pdk-root ${PDK_ROOT} --manual-pdk --last-run --flow SynthesisExploration
.PHONY: librelane-explore
```
And then run `make librelane-explore` it will try all 9 strategies and tell you which is best (though it's just synthesis timing)
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## message-1444891971842867342
**2025-12-01T03:24:50.882+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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```text
likewise 😭 got it down to about 3ns but just can't seem to improve from there. might need to just drop the clock at this point
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## message-1444893835363881072
**2025-12-01T03:32:15.18+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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been pretty surprised by timing in general. For a while I assumed reducing density would help the optimizer spread out, insert buffers more easily, etc. but cranking up the density (in addition to more margins) helped a lot
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## message-1444894186456486100
**2025-12-01T03:33:38.887+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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What's your density set to at the moment?
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## message-1444895162051592213
**2025-12-01T03:37:31.487+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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```text
between 45 and 55 is yielding best results so far (still -3ns in some corners though)
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## message-1444907814958141521
**2025-12-01T04:27:48.175+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444907814958141521`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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````text
There's a step disabled by default which I found helped a little:
```
RUN_POST_GRT_RESIZER_TIMING: True
```
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## message-1444908200024473744
**2025-12-01T04:29:19.982+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444908200024473744`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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```text
from: https://github.com/librelane/librelane/blob/774d6e6f221ccf21bd499e9b8ccba4afeffff4fd/librelane/flows/classic.py#L156-L161
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## message-1444908694449029131
**2025-12-01T04:31:17.862+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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ooh, will try that on my next run!
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## message-1444909397321973842
**2025-12-01T04:34:05.44+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1444909397321973842`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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if/when I do another shuttle, I think I'll just write a quick optimizer to churn through config options for like a week. beats doing it by hand 😅
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## message-1444909930220879943
**2025-12-01T04:36:12.493+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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yeah, I mean it should be possible to do this stuff methodically, but this flow does things in weird places
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## message-1444909974814720093
**2025-12-01T04:36:23.125+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444909974814720093`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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like it doesn't do any gate sizing until after detailed placement
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## message-1444910090229518346
**2025-12-01T04:36:50.642+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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but I am also just trying random shit to make my design meet timing at this point
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## message-1444910174899933366
**2025-12-01T04:37:10.829+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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I have had one run that I think I could make pass with some manual netlist changes but I don't really want to do that
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## message-1444910509181767740
**2025-12-01T04:38:30.528+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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i'm very nearly read to call it with my best -3ns case, and just slap a big heatsink on it 😄 looked fine in the normal corners, just the hot ones were bad
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## message-1444910714404995142
**2025-12-01T04:39:19.457+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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how would you go about doing this btw? not sure I'd know what to tweak even if I wanted to
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## message-1444911061672132700
**2025-12-01T04:40:42.252+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1444911061672132700`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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You can run `librelane` with a `--last-run --from (some pass)` argument to make it restart a run from part way. Since I'm pressed for time I'd probably just edit the netlist with a text editor and re-run from there
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## message-1444911155960221697
**2025-12-01T04:41:04.732+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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I just need some gate upsizing on some gates that are consistently on the critical path on my processor
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## message-1444911230123905197
**2025-12-01T04:41:22.414+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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I think there is a "more proper" way of doing this in LibreLane, by adding an ECO pass
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## message-1444911881578872852
**2025-12-01T04:43:57.733+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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At work our synth and pnr flows are just TCL and my understanding is they'll do pretty much the same thing: write a list of ECO scripts applied at a given point in the flow to apply a manual (but repeatable) fix. That's normally for slightly more esoteric stuff though, not just making the gates the right size on the critical path 😅
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## message-1444912048357244989
**2025-12-01T04:44:37.496+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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interesting, thanks! is there a way for librelane to tell you the critical path? Or is that just based on your knowledge of how the processor works?
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## message-1444912138987769896
**2025-12-01T04:44:59.104+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Yeah, just from reading the `max.rpt` from the final STA
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## message-1444912173146177671
**2025-12-01T04:45:07.248+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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oh gotcha, roger
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## message-1444912287742955552
**2025-12-01T04:45:34.57+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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the reports are a bit inscrutable partly because this flow doesn't correctly attribute flops to their original names in the source code
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## message-1444912327060099142
**2025-12-01T04:45:43.944+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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but you can usually make educated guesses
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## message-1444912538121670677
**2025-12-01T04:46:34.265+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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yeah it feels like reading tea leaves 🙁 I'm using a transpiled HDL which makes everything even more inscrutable too
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## message-1444913133054591107
**2025-12-01T04:48:56.108+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1444940704483901593
**2025-12-01T06:38:29.649+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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this helped me a bunch btw, thanks! gained me +5ns on setup and now using that to help beat down cap/slew violations 🙂
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## message-1444981998782255168
**2025-12-01T09:22:34.977+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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The same here... since yesterday.
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## message-1444992838365347881
**2025-12-01T10:05:39.335+00:00 — urish**
- Message ID: `1444992838365347881`
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Same for me
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## message-1445014108750745621
**2025-12-01T11:30:10.59+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
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- Edited: 2025-12-01T11:30:18.895+00:00
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@Leo Moser (mole99) I think including another `yaml` before `config.yaml` **broke** 9t cell support!
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## message-1445014670330171574
**2025-12-01T11:32:24.481+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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`resloved.json` in the runs folder gets confused
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## message-1445014917261557871
**2025-12-01T11:33:23.354+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
- Message ID: `1445014917261557871`
- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
- Nickname: ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
- User name: rzioma
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My quick-and-dirty workaround is to place `STD_CELL_LIBRARY: gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu9t5v0` in `slot_*.yaml` file instead of `config.yaml`
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## message-1445015237064396924
**2025-12-01T11:34:39.601+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
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But begs a question which other parameters are ignored by the flow, if they are not in the first `yaml` file passed into the librelane 🤷♂️
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## message-1445017856063574056
**2025-12-01T11:45:04.019+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Very sorry about that! I think this is either a LibreLane bug, or at least strange behaviour (user config resolved too early). I'll open an issue in the LibreLane repro.
Yes, adding `STD_CELL_LIBRARY` to `slot_*.yaml` instead is a workaround.
I'm suspect that only `STD_CELL_LIBRARY` is affected because it is a special variable that can be set by passing `--scl` to LibreLane. If you see other variables being overwritten, please let me know. However, I think that's unlikely.
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## message-1445019037326381129
**2025-12-01T11:49:45.654+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
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I agree that it is very unlikely!
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## message-1445019223171797145
**2025-12-01T11:50:29.963+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Here is the issue: https://github.com/librelane/librelane/issues/827
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## message-1445026511240298556
**2025-12-01T12:19:27.574+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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You can improve this with `SYNTH_AUTONAME: True`, however that results in very long names so you'll likely have to go up to Magic 8.3.578 or later to avoid LVS errors
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## message-1445036134374834176
**2025-12-01T12:57:41.908+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1445036134374834176`
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Thanks, this along with sorting the resets helped a fair bit!
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## message-1445072081153822854
**2025-12-01T15:20:32.288+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Alright. Finished with the RISC-V core on my multi-project die. Feature set is rv32ima_zicsr_smrnmi
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## message-1445072439556964372
**2025-12-01T15:21:57.738+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That’s the second-to-last thing on my to-do list
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## message-1445072653974241371
**2025-12-01T15:22:48.859+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Tomorrow I will do a final code review. Should be pretty relaxed.
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## message-1445073818912821359
**2025-12-01T15:27:26.602+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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## message-1445073824793235701
**2025-12-01T15:27:28.004+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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meanwhile over here
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## message-1445075037311995965
**2025-12-01T15:32:17.091+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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What I have here is actually almost the bare minimum you need to boot mainline Linux
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## message-1445075086683144192
**2025-12-01T15:32:28.862+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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But its missing the interrupt controller.
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## message-1445085451378626812
**2025-12-01T16:13:39.998+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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hm, trying to add a logo similar to the WS logo in the corner. I used the same layers (0/0 background, 81/0 art, 152/5 foreground) but I'm getting an error:
> Failed to extract PR boundary from GDSII view of macro 'gf180mcu_bt_ip__logo'. Ensure that the GDSII view has a PR boundary layer.
any ideas? from checking the docs 0/0 should be the PR_bndry
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## message-1445099663400243251
**2025-12-01T17:10:08.408+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Looking into why my CTS is weird, I saw there is no max wire length defined. This is my `config.json` from the CTS pass:
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"CTS_CLK_MAX_WIRE_LENGTH": 0,
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Would limiting the max wire length help with the pre/post extraction differences?
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## message-1445100435948961944
**2025-12-01T17:13:12.598+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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(trying a run now with 500 um just as an experiment)
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## message-1445100911939682435
**2025-12-01T17:15:06.083+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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need to check my notes but if that's the same max_wire_length that I set, it made things much worse. I tried 50 (lol), 500 and 1000 and in all cases the design was notably worse and sometimes failed routing/congestion
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## message-1445101032823590922
**2025-12-01T17:15:34.904+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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ha
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## message-1445101767611383828
**2025-12-01T17:18:30.091+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445101767611383828`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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- User name: polyfractal
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ah ok, so I set `DESIGN_REPAIR_MAX_WIRE_LENGTH` in the config, not sure if that ends up being the same as the CTS setting
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## message-1445101852000518289
**2025-12-01T17:18:50.211+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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i assume not
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## message-1445101950260613383
**2025-12-01T17:19:13.638+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445101950260613383`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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ah yeah that is something different I believe -- that is a limit on all of the datapath wires that is applied after global placement
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## message-1445102021119312056
**2025-12-01T17:19:30.532+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445102021119312056`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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500 um is barely enough to get across an SRAM (440 um wide I believe)
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## message-1445102190925709312
**2025-12-01T17:20:11.017+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445102190925709312`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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I looked at my clock tree and the first net has a routed length of over 3.5 mm which is long enough to see from space
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## message-1445102408890843216
**2025-12-01T17:21:02.984+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445102408890843216`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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🤞 it works!
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## message-1445102705772331069
**2025-12-01T17:22:13.766+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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this last month has been the steepest learning curve of my life haha 😂
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## message-1445103082794127563
**2025-12-01T17:23:43.655+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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same 🙂
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## message-1445103203577499698
**2025-12-01T17:24:12.452+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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ASIC design is like waging war. It is exhausting and brutal.
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## message-1445103265292226590
**2025-12-01T17:24:27.166+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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seemed to increase my clock skew by about 1.5 ns so I don't necessarily recommend this 😅
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## message-1445104264375701544
**2025-12-01T17:28:25.366+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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I had M3.2b violations yesterday, but @Leo Moser (mole99) told me to change DENSITY from 30 to 30.1 and it is gone - lol
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## message-1445105163525165286
**2025-12-01T17:31:59.74+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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My Intel i9 PC has been crunching LibreLAN for weeks – this is going to be expensive. Electricity in Germany is among the most expensive in the world.
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## message-1445107272513486879
**2025-12-01T17:40:22.562+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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## message-1445107873167310928
**2025-12-01T17:42:45.769+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1445107873167310928`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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just do it! 🙂
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## message-1445125343491915827
**2025-12-01T18:52:11.019+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1445125343491915827`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
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If you're still getting the same error, you can send me a repo/branch so I can take a look.
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## message-1445126102703149260
**2025-12-01T18:55:12.029+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1445126102703149260`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
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`CTS_CLK_MAX_WIRE_LENGTH` only constraints the wire from the clock input pin to the clock root buffer. So it would only shift the whole clock tree, as I understand it.
```
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## message-1445126454634483803
**2025-12-01T18:56:35.936+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1445126454634483803`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445126454634483803
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Yes, there was a strange violation where a trace would be too close to one of the SRAMs.
Just reroll the RNG dice! 😁
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## message-1445126626840154283
**2025-12-01T18:57:16.993+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445126626840154283`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Reply`
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yeah I looked at the TCL and it seems to be a post-CTS repair step, doesn't do anything during CTS
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## message-1445126711342530672
**2025-12-01T18:57:37.14+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445126711342530672`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
Also the related `CTS_DISTANCE_BETWEEN_BUFFERS` seems to do nothing at all
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## message-1445127140109713429
**2025-12-01T18:59:19.366+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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- User name: mole99
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> -distance_between_buffers: Distance (in microns) between buffers that cts should use when creating the tree. When using this parameter, the clock tree algorithm is simplified and only uses a fraction of the segments from the LUT.
Doesn't sound too useful? But I would have at least expected a change.
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## message-1445127190856339547
**2025-12-01T18:59:31.465+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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oh and `CTS_TOLERANCE` from OpenLANE was removed 😅
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## message-1445127397241520169
**2025-12-01T19:00:20.671+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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I have a weird long clock branch that contains my SRAM, processor register files (which have clock gates due to latches) and nothing else. I was hoping to segment the clock nets a bit more and bring the SRAMs onto the same branch as the logic
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## message-1445127437301190830
**2025-12-01T19:00:30.222+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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but I might stop messing with CTS for now
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## message-1445127733368852480
**2025-12-01T19:01:40.81+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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When we complete the tapeout, I’ll be so happy to have my old life back.
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## message-1445128319627694312
**2025-12-01T19:04:00.585+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Fighting with CTS is no fun. This place is not a place of honour.
By the way, what does your clock tree look like before and after SPEF extraction? Is there a significant mismatch?
```
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## message-1445137092022763530
**2025-12-01T19:38:52.087+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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Will do, thanks! I was looking through logs and noticed that I forgot to add it to the ignore_disconnected, flatten, etc parts of the config for logo/ID. hoping that resolves things 🤞
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## message-1445149247019155566
**2025-12-01T20:27:10.064+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1445149247019155566`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Default`
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`Chip' - Stage 68 - Design Rule Check (KLayout) ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━╸━━━━━ 67/77 7:51:20`
I am having a time of it
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## message-1445155535480684544
**2025-12-01T20:52:09.35+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1445155535480684544`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-01T20:52:50.651+00:00
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I’d like to learn how to produce nice like @Tholin GDS renderings, and how to use the TinyTapeout GDS viewer with GF180MCU designs. I noticed that you’ve already integrated support for GF180, and it appears to be working. @urish @Matt Venn
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## message-1445158088691810354
**2025-12-01T21:02:18.083+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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hmm -
https://www.zerotoasiccourse.com/post/3drendering/
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## message-1445159893429391390
**2025-12-01T21:09:28.366+00:00 — kris (@kris____)**
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- Author ID: `147848641153990657`
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i made a fork of gdsiistl that automatically puts the layers at the right height for sky130, if that's of any interest to you:
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## message-1445159953441751203
**2025-12-01T21:09:42.674+00:00 — kris (@kris____)**
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- Author ID: `147848641153990657`
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not sure how it'd work with gf180, probably won't without some fiddling
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## message-1445165807620587694
**2025-12-01T21:32:58.419+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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I have changed the layerstack...let see
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## message-1445166110562455695
**2025-12-01T21:34:10.646+00:00 — kris (@kris____)**
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- Author ID: `147848641153990657`
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good luck 🫡
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## message-1445171348967133184
**2025-12-01T21:54:59.579+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1445171348967133184`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-01T21:55:19.299+00:00
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Final GDSII for me. I was going to keep adding to it and look for any remaining bugs, but I sustained injury to my hand, so that's it for me. Typing with one hand right now, but managed to struggle my way into running make librelane one final time.
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## message-1445171476717375710
**2025-12-01T21:55:30.037+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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@Tholin I'd be curious to explore it. Got it online somewhere ?
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## message-1445171613459812452
**2025-12-01T21:56:02.639+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1445171613459812452`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Will commit whenever I'm able to
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## message-1445171675493568643
**2025-12-01T21:56:17.429+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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And write docs. Also once recovered.
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## message-1445179733020250256
**2025-12-01T22:28:18.493+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1445179733020250256`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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- Type: `Reply`
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I have forgotten to use this from tholin
https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/gfmpw1-multi/blob/main/gds2gltf.py
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## message-1445207977861709865
**2025-12-02T00:20:32.588+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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`Chip' - Stage 68 - Design Rule Check (KLayout) ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━╸━━━━━ 67/77 11:45:25`
um. what do I do when klayout gets stuck on my design.
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## message-1445208895374233693
**2025-12-02T00:24:11.34+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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I am increasingly concerned I will have nothing to tape out because I cannot get it to pass KLayout DRC in any sensible amount of time.
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## message-1445210692327178443
**2025-12-02T00:31:19.767+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
- Message ID: `1445210692327178443`
- Author ID: `738396032295108721`
- Nickname: bailey
- User name: bailey8889
- Type: `Reply`
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@Lofty that is concerning. Is your design pure digital or do you have hard macros? Are you using any type of SRAM?
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## message-1445210755434549288
**2025-12-02T00:31:34.813+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1445210755434549288`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
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pure digital, no hard macros, no SRAM.
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## message-1445253603135721482
**2025-12-02T03:21:50.501+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445253603135721482`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Reply`
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There are some super cool projects on this die and I'm looking forward to studying it and learning from your schematics once the dust clears post-tapeout 🙂
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## message-1445279934082977907
**2025-12-02T05:06:28.288+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445279934082977907`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445279934082977907
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ffffff DRC failures 💀
time to learn how to debug...hopefully it's just the logo art I added 🤞
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## message-1445281215119888509
**2025-12-02T05:11:33.711+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445281215119888509`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445281215119888509
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Nothing but zeroes 🥳
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## message-1445281239874666607
**2025-12-02T05:11:39.613+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445281239874666607`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
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except for this one
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## message-1445282073463095358
**2025-12-02T05:14:58.356+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445282073463095358`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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They are all `Poly overlap of contact < 0.065um (CO.3)` in 9-track std cells
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## message-1445289357144621259
**2025-12-02T05:43:54.921+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
- Message ID: `1445289357144621259`
- Author ID: `738396032295108721`
- Nickname: bailey
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- Edited: 2025-12-02T05:44:49.2+00:00
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Looking at the rules in the ciel managed `gf180mcuD` pdk,
```
co3_l.output('CO.3', 'CO.3 : Poly2 overlap of contact. : 0.07µm')
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Does wafer.space have it's own version of the pdk?
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## message-1445289810016206970
**2025-12-02T05:45:42.894+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445289810016206970`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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**Content**
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I think Leo might have some patches that aren't yet merged (then again that might just be LibreLane)
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## message-1445290011019972769
**2025-12-02T05:46:30.817+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445290011019972769`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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- Type: `Default`
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ah yeah
```
clone-pdk: ## Clone the GF180MCU PDK repository
rm -rf $(MAKEFILE_DIR)/gf180mcu
git clone https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu.git $(MAKEFILE_DIR)/gf180mcu --depth 1
.PHONY: clone-pdk
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## message-1445290300598780026
**2025-12-02T05:47:39.858+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445290300598780026`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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He mentioned there is something odd about how Magic handles contact on this issue: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/issues/34
KLayout doesn't flag those cells (for that rule)
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## message-1445292006225084472
**2025-12-02T05:54:26.511+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1445293112540008570
**2025-12-02T05:58:50.277+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445293112540008570`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445293112540008570
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**Content**
```text
ok so I think my DRC issues are just the logo, looking at the final GDS it's misplaced (apparently the origin being set to lower right corner wasn't honored). A few questions:
- I know KLayout can show DRC violations, but where/what file is that stored in? I'm just seeing json files in the klayout DRC directories
- if I edit the GDS and move it over by hand, think I could restart the flow towards the end? Or will I need to go through the whole build again, fixing it in the config?
```
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## message-1445293265518592161
**2025-12-02T05:59:26.75+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445293265518592161`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445293265518592161
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**Content**
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weirdly it passed all the non-DRC steps which is why I didn't catch it. even renders out to images fine 🙁
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## message-1445293393252188302
**2025-12-02T05:59:57.204+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445293393252188302`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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iirc the file you want ends with `.lyrdb`
```
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## message-1445293571920892016
**2025-12-02T06:00:39.802+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445293571920892016`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445293571920892016
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**Content**
```text
you can open that in klayout after opening your GDS and it will flag coordinates of the violations and which rules they violate
```
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## message-1445293606171574344
**2025-12-02T06:00:47.968+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445293606171574344`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445293606171574344
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**Content**
```text
_begins grepping_
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## message-1445293974033006722
**2025-12-02T06:02:15.673+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445293974033006722`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445293974033006722
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**Content**
```text
aha
> ./63-klayout-density/reports/density.klayout.lyrdb
> ./66-klayout-drc/reports/drc.klayout.lyrdb
```
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## message-1445294007457419314
**2025-12-02T06:02:23.642+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445294007457419314`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445294007457419314
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**Content**
```text
hiding in reports 🙂
```
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## message-1445294021478977596
**2025-12-02T06:02:26.985+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445294021478977596`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445294021478977596
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**Content**
```text
yeah you want the second one
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## message-1445294182443909300
**2025-12-02T06:03:05.362+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445294182443909300`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445294182443909300
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**Content**
```text
it's a bit confusing because the directory with the report is not from the step whose job it is to raise errors when you have DRCs (`checker-klayoutdrc`)
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## message-1445294298454036580
**2025-12-02T06:03:33.021+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445294298454036580`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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yeah that is confusing for sure
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## message-1445294335783338099
**2025-12-02T06:03:41.921+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445294335783338099`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445294335783338099
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**Content**
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oh happy days, it's all just this stupid logo art 😅
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---
## message-1445294569670447248
**2025-12-02T06:04:37.684+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445294569670447248`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445294569670447248
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**Content**
```text
reckon I can fix by hand and then start the run from somewhere towards the end? maybe like 57-magic-streamout?
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## message-1445294976622919791
**2025-12-02T06:06:14.709+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1445294976622919791`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445294976622919791
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**Content**
```text
If you use my script and Makefile to generate the layout for the logo, there's also a make target to run DRC on the logo itself. Once that is clean you can continue with the integration.
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## message-1445295114820784220
**2025-12-02T06:06:47.658+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445295114820784220`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445295114820784220
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**Content**
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it's possible in theory, if you copy your `librelane` Makefile target and add `--last-run --from KLayout.DRC` or some such. I never got the re-runs to work though
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## message-1445295146215280711
**2025-12-02T06:06:55.143+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445295146215280711`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445295146215280711
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ah, ignore me and listen to the expert
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## message-1445295240012365854
**2025-12-02T06:07:17.506+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1445295240012365854`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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No, that's right 😄
But you also need to pass the initial state.
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## message-1445295522524041247
**2025-12-02T06:08:24.862+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1445295522524041247`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
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```text
`--with-initial-state` should point to the input state of e.g. Klayout DRC.
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## message-1445295646151020616
**2025-12-02T06:08:54.337+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445295646151020616`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-02T06:09:10.773+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445295646151020616
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**Content**
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ah, well I made the logo using my own jank script and then just copied the layout/structure of the WS logo. 🙁 probably easiest to just redo the whole thing, the DRC is the timesuck anyway and that cant be avoided
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## message-1445295665394618489
**2025-12-02T06:08:58.925+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1445295665394618489`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
However, to see the changes of your macro, you would need to start the flow from the StreamOut step.
```
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## message-1445295819707125842
**2025-12-02T06:09:35.716+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1445295819707125842`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445295819707125842
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%F0%9F%8F%97%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Designing/project-template/2025-12/2025-12.json
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```text
If you need more logo examples, I added two more in my design here: https://github.com/mole99/gf180mcu-fabulous-fpga
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## message-1445295826707419298
**2025-12-02T06:09:37.385+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
- Message ID: `1445295826707419298`
- Author ID: `738396032295108721`
- Nickname: bailey
- User name: bailey8889
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445295826707419298
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````text
@BreakingTaps I seen strange placements due to cells not having a bounding box when the lef is created from magic.
If you created the logo in magic, then I recommend loading the logo, setting the bounding box with
```
select top cell
property FIXED_BBOX [box values]
lef write -hide
```
Before that, you could load the lef in klayout to see if the coordinates match the gds. If they don't, then you might try the above solution.
````
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## message-1445295979895980096
**2025-12-02T06:10:13.908+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445295979895980096`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445295979895980096
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**Content**
```text
will check, thanks for the tip!
```
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## message-1445296441021956221
**2025-12-02T06:12:03.849+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445296441021956221`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445296441021956221
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%F0%9F%8F%97%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Designing/project-template/2025-12/2025-12.json
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```text
coordinates do appear to be correct (lower right) in klayout
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## message-1445297774286471281
**2025-12-02T06:17:21.724+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445297774286471281`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445297774286471281
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```text
ah, ok I think I see. since I just manually created all the extra stuff (lef, vh, etc) I neglected to see that the lef file specifies an origin too
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## message-1445300591965245450
**2025-12-02T06:28:33.511+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445300591965245450`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-02T06:28:51.387+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445300591965245450
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%F0%9F%8F%97%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Designing/project-template/2025-12/2025-12.json
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aaand restarted...hopefully I did that right otherwise it would have been best to start all the way over 😅
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## message-1445300879862403164
**2025-12-02T06:29:42.151+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445300879862403164`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445300879862403164
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shame DRC is single-threaded, seems like it'd be low hanging fruit to run in parallel? I assume each rule is independent of the others?
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## message-1445302161993891931
**2025-12-02T06:34:47.835+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445302161993891931`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445302161993891931
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%F0%9F%8F%97%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Designing/project-template/2025-12/2025-12.json
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```text
(i'm also assuming the DRC engine is ruby inside of KLayout but maybe a bad assumption 🙂 )
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## message-1445304279584739434
**2025-12-02T06:43:12.708+00:00 — urish**
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- User name: urish
- Type: `ThreadCreated`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445304279584739434
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Started a thread.
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## message-1445359606774763603
**2025-12-02T10:23:03.738+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1445359606774763603`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445359606774763603
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**Content**
```text
The 0p5x0p5 slots are very pad-frame heavy 😅
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## message-1445367646731239467
**2025-12-02T10:55:00.613+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1445367646731239467`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445367646731239467
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**Content**
```text
Any smaller and you would need to remove the padring on some of the sides 😉
```
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## message-1445372872590753822
**2025-12-02T11:15:46.555+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445372872590753822`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-02T11:16:25.258+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445372872590753822
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**Content**
```text
Huh, that's a DRC I've not seen before: `DF.6_MV : Min. COMP extend beyond gate (it also means source/drain overhang). : 0.4µm`.
COMP on top belongs to a `sdffrnq_4` and poly below belongs to a `nand3_4`
```
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## message-1445373733022732309
**2025-12-02T11:19:11.698+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445373733022732309`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445373733022732309
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**Content**
```text
I... think it's just checking in the wrong direction? Also sorry for using cursed cells nobody else uses, in my defence they are faster
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## message-1445377946826182786
**2025-12-02T11:35:56.347+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Someone has to be first 🙂
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## message-1445382346852532316
**2025-12-02T11:53:25.395+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1445382346852532316`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Issue report please 👏
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## message-1445382462518591558
**2025-12-02T11:53:52.972+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445382462518591558`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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Sure, can I just add it to my existing 9-track DRC issue?
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## message-1445382638746730638
**2025-12-02T11:54:34.988+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445382638746730638`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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(being https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/issues/34)
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## message-1445382690231681034
**2025-12-02T11:54:47.263+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1445382690231681034`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Yes, that's fine 👌
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## message-1445395757044727888
**2025-12-02T12:46:42.634+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445395757044727888`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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actually I do have a tech map file to map DFFEs and sync set/clear flops as scan flops, which other people could use to improve QoR on their designs, so there might be a lot more `sdffrnq_4` in the future 🙂 https://github.com/Wren6991/RISCBoy-180/blob/main/librelane/gf180_scanflop_map.v
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## message-1445395944689635409
**2025-12-02T12:47:27.372+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445395944689635409`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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the only reason I don't recommend using that right now is to get good results you have to disable hold checks on the Q->D path, which I am 99% sure is fine since Q is stable when D is selected, but I'd like to be the guinea pig for one tapeout
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## message-1445430961646075966
**2025-12-02T15:06:36.065+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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What topology does your chain have?
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## message-1445438246476578968
**2025-12-02T15:35:32.904+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1445438246476578968`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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it's not a chain
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## message-1445445098795040769
**2025-12-02T16:02:46.624+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1445445098795040769`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-02T16:03:58.009+00:00
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**Content**
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I assumed to avoid a big shift register split into multiple chains. Is that correct?
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## message-1445445640334217446
**2025-12-02T16:04:55.737+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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Luke's design has no scan chains. use of scan flops does not imply a scan chain
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## message-1445446785412759574
**2025-12-02T16:09:28.745+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Is it just to reduce logic like muxes and so on?
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## message-1445446851300954182
**2025-12-02T16:09:44.454+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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yes, by using scan flops which have that mux merged into the cell.
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## message-1445447118683902155
**2025-12-02T16:10:48.203+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I appreciate the clarification.
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## message-1445453224885751829
**2025-12-02T16:35:04.035+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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Following up on the RAM issues I mentioned a few days back: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/issues/38
Am I correct that other RAM enjoyers have their chip selects permanently asserted post startup? That might explain why only I am seeing these issues.
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## message-1445462386512367636
**2025-12-02T17:11:28.337+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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## message-1445462440803434626
**2025-12-02T17:11:41.281+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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Is that okay?
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## message-1445462590128914553
**2025-12-02T17:12:16.883+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445462590128914553`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445462590128914553
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I have mine tied to reset. So it's high for the first cycle/holding down reset, and then permanently low after that.
I did play with enabling/disabling to save power when banks aren't being used, but that introduced at least one extra clock cycle for it to turn back on and was too much hassle to deal with so late in my project
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## message-1445462662505828412
**2025-12-02T17:12:34.139+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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(well not specifically the reset pin, but the reset logic)
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## message-1445463811716026410
**2025-12-02T17:17:08.132+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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I’m going to be so happy when the tape-out is done, because every time I look up here now, I flinch. It’s really like being on a carousel.
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## message-1445465931173073089
**2025-12-02T17:25:33.45+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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yah seriously. I just know someone is going to post a "Hey make sure XYZ" and I'll realize mine is opposite but it's too late to change 💀
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## message-1445466162510172331
**2025-12-02T17:26:28.605+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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oh well, if it arrives totally broken at least I'll have some neat trinkets and a good learning experience 😊
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## message-1445466769136549929
**2025-12-02T17:28:53.236+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Update: one of my artists got back to me with two PNG files and "sorry I'm late"
I am turning my PC on again and making this happen, no matter what.
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## message-1445466881728450673
**2025-12-02T17:29:20.08+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I have just a little bit of free space on the right of my layout
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## message-1445466953891188786
**2025-12-02T17:29:37.285+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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About to play high-stakes tetris
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## message-1445467533472956551
**2025-12-02T17:31:55.468+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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yeah this is functionally fine, you just waste power by reading the RAM every cycle
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## message-1445467792580022362
**2025-12-02T17:32:57.244+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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ok so that explains the inconsistency, thanks
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## message-1445468393145634928
**2025-12-02T17:35:20.43+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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which inconsistency?
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## message-1445468757043449918
**2025-12-02T17:36:47.19+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1445468757043449918`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
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```text
Wasting how much power?
```
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## message-1445469290101735568
**2025-12-02T17:38:54.281+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445469290101735568`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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```text
like a milliwatt per RAM instance iirc
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## message-1445469345777062111
**2025-12-02T17:39:07.555+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445469345777062111`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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there are some power figures in the docs though they're not particularly illuminating
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## message-1445469481840410716
**2025-12-02T17:39:39.995+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445469481840410716`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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The fact the RAM model worked for other people and fell on its ass for me. It sounds like I'm the only person deasserting chip select when I don't intend to read the RAM.
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## message-1445470951545376799
**2025-12-02T17:45:30.4+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445470951545376799`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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> but that introduced at least one extra clock cycle for it to turn back on
I don't understand this part. CEN is aligned with the address
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## message-1445471538756456449
**2025-12-02T17:47:50.402+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445471538756456449`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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honestly no idea. I added a second bank of memory at some point, and noticed that I was throwing away a read each cycle. Checked the docs and saw that I could probably use CEN de-activate unused memory but then tests started failing because the second bank wasn't active when it was needed.
had bigger issues to deal with so went back to just perma-enabled 🙂
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## message-1445471652992385116
**2025-12-02T17:48:17.638+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445471652992385116`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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from a quick skim of the waveforms it looked like it was just one cycle behind but didn't investigate much
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## message-1445471696810414183
**2025-12-02T17:48:28.085+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445471696810414183`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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you might have hit the bug in the RAM model
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## message-1445471843451535442
**2025-12-02T17:49:03.047+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445471843451535442`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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aha! would make sense given the issues you've run into as well. I just assumed it took the memory an extra cycle to power back up or something 😅
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## message-1445471848149291199
**2025-12-02T17:49:04.167+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445471848149291199`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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````text
This is the behavioural RAM model I've been using for most of my sims:
```verilog
reg [WIDTH-1:0] mem [0:DEPTH-1];
reg [WIDTH-1:0] rdata_q;
assign rdata = rdata_q;
always @ (posedge clk) begin: update
integer i;
if (!cs_n && we_n) begin
rdata_q <= mem[addr];
end
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mem[addr][i * 8 +: 8] <= wdata[i * 8 +: 8];
end
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```
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## message-1445472089363447911
**2025-12-02T17:50:01.677+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445472089363447911`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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basically all inputs are sampled together on the posedge and rdata is valid some time in the next cycle. Pretty much all synchronous SRAMs look like this
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## message-1445472353860587661
**2025-12-02T17:51:04.738+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445472353860587661`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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```text
it matches up with the transition table in the RAM docs as well, and matches up with their model if you ignore all the weird behavioural delay stuff they've hacked in
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## message-1445472533527658598
**2025-12-02T17:51:47.574+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445472533527658598`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
also the fact that read data stays valid if you don't do another read is handy and I exploit it in one place
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## message-1445472558538555542
**2025-12-02T17:51:53.537+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445472558538555542`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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you'd think a model provided by the foundry would be correct 😭 as a complete outsider to the industry, i'm kinda horrified what passes as normal (from the little bit I've peeked behind the curtain)
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## message-1445472617967386767
**2025-12-02T17:52:07.706+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445472617967386767`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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it's not normal
```
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## message-1445472628931559494
**2025-12-02T17:52:10.32+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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especially for such an old node!
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## message-1445472923698597918
**2025-12-02T17:53:20.598+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445472923698597918`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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we simulate RTL against vendor RAM models all the time and it's fine because the functional behaviour is described synchronously (maybe with a delay on the read data), and then they add timing checks which you can disable for behavioural sims where there are no delays
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## message-1445472979193430108
**2025-12-02T17:53:33.829+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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these models are just kinda hacky
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## message-1445473018208846004
**2025-12-02T17:53:43.131+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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welp
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## message-1445473109032566845
**2025-12-02T17:54:04.785+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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but yes it is true the ASIC industry is much messier than people think
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## message-1445473158176968939
**2025-12-02T17:54:16.502+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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lots of people who are actually software engineers and just don't want to admit it
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## message-1445473191584731357
**2025-12-02T17:54:24.467+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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maybe they just threw it together as a low priority intern project, since they knew it was part of the original open sourcing efforts?
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## message-1445473303018868776
**2025-12-02T17:54:51.035+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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Can I leave it as it is? @LukeW
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## message-1445473364511817730
**2025-12-02T17:55:05.696+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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yes
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## message-1445473519268790354
**2025-12-02T17:55:42.593+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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I did wonder but the model is from 2014:
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* Project: 018 5VGREEN SRAM
* Author: GlobalFoundries PDK Authors
* Data Created: 05-06-2014
* Revision: 0.0
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## message-1445473597845016648
**2025-12-02T17:56:01.327+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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When you enable CEN, do you have to wait another clock cycle?
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## message-1445473694502748171
**2025-12-02T17:56:24.372+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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I wouldn't change your design now given there are issues with the RAM models. What you have should work
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## message-1445473841269706914
**2025-12-02T17:56:59.364+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445473841269706914`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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but no, `!CEN && GWEN` is a read enable which is aligned with the address. If that function is true on cycle _n_ then new read data is valid on Q on cycle _n_ + 1
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## message-1445473941702312118
**2025-12-02T17:57:23.309+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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## message-1445474105825427577
**2025-12-02T17:58:02.439+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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When you have caches and a pipelined CPU, should the CEN signal always be low, since the CPU is doing work every cycle anyway?
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## message-1445474187677401140
**2025-12-02T17:58:21.954+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445474187677401140`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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```text
are you issuing a load/store to your D cache every cycle?
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## message-1445474241125290185
**2025-12-02T17:58:34.697+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1445474241125290185`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
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I$ and D$
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## message-1445474293059162333
**2025-12-02T17:58:47.079+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445474293059162333`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445474293059162333
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are you fetching instructions from your I cache when you're stalled on a `div` or `rem`?
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## message-1445474451943588032
**2025-12-02T17:59:24.96+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1445474451943588032`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
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Out of order, superscalar 🙂
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## message-1445474779598684231
**2025-12-02T18:00:43.079+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445474779598684231`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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Your icache will still stall -- you normally overprovision icache bandwidth so you can catch up after a flush. Anyway no, it is not normal for production designs to enable RAMs when they don't intend to read or write them.
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## message-1445475244889604348
**2025-12-02T18:02:34.013+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1445475244889604348`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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Got it
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## message-1445475336992325843
**2025-12-02T18:02:55.972+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1445475336992325843`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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Every stall counts
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## message-1445476660743766178
**2025-12-02T18:08:11.579+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1445476660743766178`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-02T18:08:55.327+00:00
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Then you have saved 28 mW?
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## message-1445480920349020333
**2025-12-02T18:25:07.148+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445480920349020333`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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That's worst case at 1 MHz
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## message-1445483581114683563
**2025-12-02T18:35:41.524+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1445483581114683563`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
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k
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## message-1445490428815347863
**2025-12-02T19:02:54.143+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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**Content**
````text
For anyone else who needs it
```makefile
librelane-yolo: ## Run full flow, including DRC, but don't quit after DRC errors
librelane librelane/config.yaml --pdk ${PDK} --pdk-root ${PDK_ROOT} --manual-pdk --skip Checker.MagicDRC --skip Checker.KLayoutDRC
.PHONY: librelane-yolo
```
````
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## message-1445490968177541141
**2025-12-02T19:05:02.737+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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````text
And if you want to add it to your config:
```yaml
QUIT_ON_MAGIC_DRC: False
QUIT_ON_KLAYOUT_DRC: False
```
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## message-1445491647415849022
**2025-12-02T19:07:44.68+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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ooh nice
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## message-1445499614651224188
**2025-12-02T19:39:24.217+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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No square micrometer unused
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## message-1445499825511469137
**2025-12-02T19:40:14.49+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I turned off KLayout DRC and saving that for the precheck.
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## message-1445499859410092246
**2025-12-02T19:40:22.572+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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All the macros individually pass KLayout DRC
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## message-1445499888577155245
**2025-12-02T19:40:29.526+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1445499888577155245`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445499888577155245
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So hopefully nothing bad hapens.
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## message-1445536455626592379
**2025-12-02T22:05:47.79+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
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- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
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@LukeW I had seen the same thing. I'd initially hooked CEN upto the processor read strobe. But the last byte in a bust would read back incorrect. Seems like the vendor model adjusts Q on that last cycle when CEN=H, which doesn't really match with the "Hold previous data" statement.
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## message-1445544431750221845
**2025-12-02T22:37:29.446+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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Which one do you trust?
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## message-1445544473797984327
**2025-12-02T22:37:39.471+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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Normally I would say the vendor model but...
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## message-1445558681449267310
**2025-12-02T23:34:06.839+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Alright. This kicks ass!
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## message-1445558879646650522
**2025-12-02T23:34:54.093+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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Passes DRC?
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## message-1445558915860267110
**2025-12-02T23:35:02.727+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1445558915860267110`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Passes magic DRC
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## message-1445559062954770515
**2025-12-02T23:35:37.797+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1445559062954770515`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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LVS failed because I forgot to add some entries to LVS_FLATTEN_CELLS
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## message-1445559147000103104
**2025-12-02T23:35:57.835+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1445559147000103104`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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Re-running now, then will throw the output straight at precheck.
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## message-1445562869247770674
**2025-12-02T23:50:45.288+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
- Message ID: `1445562869247770674`
- Author ID: `738396032295108721`
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- Edited: 2025-12-02T23:56:05.263+00:00
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@Tholin What command are you using to run LVS?
Most of the behind the scenes commands have a `--noextract` option which will use the existing extracted data in the `WORK_ROOT` directory.
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## message-1445579568340668456
**2025-12-03T00:57:06.662+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
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I've followed the vendor model. Probably would be nice if a design in this shuttle had signals to RAM so it could be confimed..
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## message-1445594216523763733
**2025-12-03T01:55:19.061+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1445594216523763733`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Lots of projects on my die
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## message-1445605302803103926
**2025-12-03T02:39:22.236+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- User name: _luke_w_
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Aight, well I'm 99% it's actually a synchronous RAM in spite of the model's protests but since I don't have time to run spice on it I'll add a chicken bit to my debugger that forces all the RAM chip selects low 😅
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## message-1445606039587127457
**2025-12-03T02:42:17.899+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445606039587127457`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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No room for more 😎
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## message-1445626759562399825
**2025-12-03T04:04:37.926+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1445626759562399825`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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How much memory is that?
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## message-1445634476100292670
**2025-12-03T04:35:17.692+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445634476100292670`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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```text
* CPU RAM: 8 kB (16 x 512 x 8)
* APU RAM: 4 kB (8 x 512 x 8)
* PPU scan buffers: 2 x 512-pixel (4 x 512 x 8)
* PPU palette RAM: 1 x 256-pixel (2 x 256 x 8)
So I guess 14.5 kB 🙂
```
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## message-1445634628756177040
**2025-12-03T04:35:54.088+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445634628756177040`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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then the external RAM is 256 kB 16-bit wide
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## message-1445649062626857023
**2025-12-03T05:33:15.391+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1445649062626857023`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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14.5kB isn't too bad...
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## message-1445649717861154940
**2025-12-03T05:35:51.611+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1445649717861154940`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@LukeW - Well, if you have some spare time then, want to do some 1x0.5 and/or 0.5x1 projects which might work with your external RAM interface?
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## message-1445655984688205944
**2025-12-03T06:00:45.739+00:00 — urish**
- Message ID: `1445655984688205944`
- Author ID: `732347216412278825`
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Awesome graphics! Well done 🙂
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## message-1445664732915826738
**2025-12-03T06:35:31.479+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
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- Type: `Default`
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````text
```c
/*******************************************************************************
* SRAM_CHICKEN *
*******************************************************************************/
// The foundry SRAM models return incorrect data if chip select transitions on a
// clock edge. 99% sure this is just an issue with the model, but just in case,
// this register forces all SRAMs to be permanently enabled. You should clear
// this bit to avoid wasting power.
// Field: SRAM_CHICKEN Access: RW
// Reset: 0x1
#define SYSCFG_SRAM_CHICKEN_LSB 0
#define SYSCFG_SRAM_CHICKEN_BITS 1
#define SYSCFG_SRAM_CHICKEN_MASK 0x1
```
I can simulate with the unmodified foundry models now. When I get chips back I'll find out whether that was necessary.
````
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## message-1445664963334115329
**2025-12-03T06:36:26.415+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Sorry, not this tapeout 😅 I'm going to keep testing up until the last minute
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## message-1445820599824945242
**2025-12-03T16:54:53.046+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Started on docs:
https://avalonsemiconductors.github.io/WS2025/multiplexer.html
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## message-1445839027755548805
**2025-12-03T18:08:06.607+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
- Nickname: ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
- User name: rzioma
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-03T18:08:37.351+00:00
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell @Leo Moser (mole99) I have my design in 2 formats - a) slot 1x1 and b) quarter slot 0.5x0.5. What do you think is a better for submission for *this* shuttle?
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## message-1445839382941667572
**2025-12-03T18:09:31.29+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Would 0.5 x 0.5 give better or worse "yield". Would it be harder to put on board, etc.
Any benefits of going 0.5 x 0.5 at all?
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## message-1445839608192434177
**2025-12-03T18:10:24.994+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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I understand it is a lot on your plate, so I might just submit both for now and we finalise that decision next week?
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## message-1445840323216670822
**2025-12-03T18:13:15.469+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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There is only one 0.5x0.5 slot for this shuttle, but this may change for run 2 if there is more demand. Unfortunately, this slot has already been assigned to someone else.
You could use the 0.5x1 or 1x0.5 slots instead of the 1x1 slot.
However, the CoB is currently only prepared for the 1x1 slot. There is no PCB for the others yet, so it may be better to stay with the 1x1?
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## message-1445840743850705080
**2025-12-03T18:14:55.756+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1445840743850705080`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Given that most of the 1x1 area is unused, I don't think there's much difference in yield.
Also, I'm not sure if yield is really an issue for this process.
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## message-1445842971261014057
**2025-12-03T18:23:46.812+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
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Using 1x1 slot is no problem for me!
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## message-1445843858507432028
**2025-12-03T18:27:18.348+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Sorry! I just checked the spreadsheet and the other 1x1 slot that is assigned to you is for a different project (RZML), correct? If so, could you rather use a 1x0.5 slot?
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## message-1445844510989881475
**2025-12-03T18:29:53.912+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
- Nickname: ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
- User name: rzioma
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-03T18:30:10.694+00:00
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I think it should be the other way around - Z80 is the primary project and another one is "good to have". Anyway, I will do 1x0.5 just in case.
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## message-1445854734119469228
**2025-12-03T19:10:31.296+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Well, you have at least one 1x1 slot reserved. Hopefully Tim can clarify in the morning.
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## message-1445887574383005767
**2025-12-03T21:21:01.025+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
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After improving my in-efficient RTL I did manage to fit 23 servs on a design. 🏁
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## message-1445887773948117185
**2025-12-03T21:21:48.605+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
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Scales into a half-width slot too with just 9 cores
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## message-1445893486632239144
**2025-12-03T21:44:30.615+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1445893486632239144`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445893486632239144
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Can you create a project on the platform for that one too? Maybe there's some space left :)
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## message-1445893756548288624
**2025-12-03T21:45:34.968+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445893756548288624`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445893756548288624
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**Content**
```text
hm a last minute GDS art addition is now triggering MT.1 ("min. metaltop width : 0.44µm") and MT.2a ("min. metaltop spacing : 0.46µm") DRC errors. Any ideas or try regenerating with a slightly different size?
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## message-1445895083906961548
**2025-12-03T21:50:51.435+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445895083906961548`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445895083906961548
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Yeah I just had the same thing because a hole in the metal generated by the image script left two corners touching
```
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## message-1445895154119475271
**2025-12-03T21:51:08.175+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445895154119475271`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
I just opened it up in klayout and squished the hole, hopefully that fixes it
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## message-1445895272046526564
**2025-12-03T21:51:36.291+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445895272046526564`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445895272046526564
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```text
(apparently `klayout -e` is the magic flag required to actually let you edit anything)
```
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## message-1445895290698600539
**2025-12-03T21:51:40.738+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1445895290698600539`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445895290698600539
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%F0%9F%8F%97%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Designing/project-template/2025-12/2025-12.json
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It's in and passed the current pre-check 👍
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## message-1445895433934209034
**2025-12-03T21:52:14.888+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445895433934209034`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Reply`
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yeah that looks like my issues. i'm not great with klayout, how did you close the hole? Just draw a new polygon to fill it, or did you edit the existing polygon?
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## message-1445895984302260296
**2025-12-03T21:54:26.106+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1445895984302260296`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
- Type: `Default`
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The script used for the waferspace logo does a DRC check. But doesn't grep/show errors the DRC found. You have to dig into the .xml report, and look under the tree
So I had a similar issue on my logo art
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## message-1445896990293753970
**2025-12-03T21:58:25.953+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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aha, that's good to know for a faster check. cheers!
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## message-1445897099676876951
**2025-12-03T21:58:52.032+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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ah. I saw it ran a DRC in the Makefile, didn't see that it didn't propagate an exit code 😅 thanks Greg
```
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## message-1445897562870648832
**2025-12-03T22:00:42.466+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445897562870648832
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Btw. you can load the DRC results using the Marker Browser in KLayout.
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## message-1445897623729868890
**2025-12-03T22:00:56.976+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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I used the "partial" tool to drag over the edge on the left hand side of the hole until it met the right hand side
```
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## message-1445897711839744000
**2025-12-03T22:01:17.983+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445897711839744000`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445897711839744000
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```text
it should snap and the redundant vertices should disappear
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## message-1445898221498007663
**2025-12-03T22:03:19.495+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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- User name: polyfractal
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rad, thanks!
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## message-1445900764915695757
**2025-12-03T22:13:25.893+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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```text
aaand fixed, re-drc time
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## message-1445902555610878002
**2025-12-03T22:20:32.828+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1445902555610878002`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445902555610878002
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@ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma - I would suggest making sure ***all*** are on https://platform.wafer.space - that way we have choice. I think we'll find a way to have both.
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## message-1445902833411948715
**2025-12-03T22:21:39.061+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1445902833411948715`
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- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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I ***think*** I have two 1x1 slots allocated for @ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma
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## message-1445903109954998385
**2025-12-03T22:22:44.994+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1445903109954998385`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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Think you could do a version of that half-width slot with *just* the SRAM connected to the I/O pins?
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## message-1445903974061576408
**2025-12-03T22:26:11.013+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
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- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
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Yeah. Easy could do that. So target the 0.5x1 slot? Just a 512x8 instance?
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## message-1445904292547395624
**2025-12-03T22:27:26.946+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1445904292547395624`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
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We can add the other sizes too, but would require sharing the A/D bus? Along with muxing on the Q
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## message-1445905486816870503
**2025-12-03T22:32:11.682+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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All the sizes! 😛
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## message-1445905545444720794
**2025-12-03T22:32:25.66+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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According to @LukeW, something like https://www.renesas.com/en/document/dst/r1rp0416di-series-datasheet?srsltid=AfmBOor09cVZb0I6oElST_hOGtjGlgGKCuuOzj2dmwoCr6L8-vb7cOhK would be the competition 🙂
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## message-1445906029190709469
**2025-12-03T22:34:20.994+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
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- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
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Right I misunderstood. So not a test structure for just a single instance. But fill the area with the 512x8 instances and add address decoding. 👍
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## message-1445906704175992983
**2025-12-03T22:37:01.923+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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so we can finally get to the bottom of the CEN controversy
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## message-1445907086390067348
**2025-12-03T22:38:33.05+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
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I tried doing `STD_CELL_LIBRARY: gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu9t5v0` in the project template and it's not applied (still the 7 track cell). Is this overriden somewhere I'm missing?
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## message-1445907292644966502
**2025-12-03T22:39:22.225+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
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- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
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- Edited: 2025-12-03T22:42:56.257+00:00
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Quick test: try doing an `export STD_CELL_LIBRARY=gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu9t5v0` in your shell
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## message-1445907293517647952
**2025-12-03T22:39:22.433+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445907293517647952`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
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- User name: _luke_w_
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That was the only flag I had to pass, and I am definitely getting 9-track cells in my layout
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## message-1445907495460802571
**2025-12-03T22:40:10.58+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1445907495460802571`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-03T22:40:27.629+00:00
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I think this was raised before, in the latest template, the extra yaml for the slot sizes may be applying some defaults
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## message-1445907720069709914
**2025-12-03T22:41:04.131+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1445907720069709914`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
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Your project @LukeW has everything in the one config.yaml
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## message-1445907732480790693
**2025-12-03T22:41:07.09+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1445907732480790693`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
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ahh ok, that would make sense. I squashed those commits out when I merged because I didn't want to deal with the huge merge conflict with my padring changes and my other changes in that file 😅
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## message-1445909535670931499
**2025-12-03T22:48:17.004+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1445909535670931499`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hk0WXCmQ8LYNhn8gIVs8vHymR2MleQx2ro_hQlyOYKU/edit?tab=t.0
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## message-1445909989561602179
**2025-12-03T22:50:05.22+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1445909989561602179`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
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If someone wants to do something else random, you could also try filling the die just with capacitors - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ahoCTmPvKExYtk3qqxvjMpnq5XOcIQvVWMF84zgi82k/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.psr38aq67ats - I was sure I had more info in that doc but it appears I miss remembered.
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## message-1445913058420723888
**2025-12-03T23:02:16.893+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445913058420723888`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445913058420723888
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7T vs 9T: is it just that 9T are bigger so they can drive harder and suffer from timing issues less?
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## message-1445913761712967803
**2025-12-03T23:05:04.571+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1445913761712967803`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
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My understanding is that 9T is larger and has more room for routing so it can typically run faster. I believe there is also a power tradeoff with them.
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## message-1445913883003850822
**2025-12-03T23:05:33.489+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1445913883003850822`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
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I didn't see any 7t overrides, do you happen to know where it was brought up?
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## message-1445914626792624139
**2025-12-03T23:08:30.822+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1445914626792624139`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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think it was mentioned here: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445014108750745621
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## message-1445915080947667096
**2025-12-03T23:10:19.101+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1445915080947667096`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-03T23:12:00.37+00:00
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That would be it! Easy fix, thank you!
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## message-1445963573825110077
**2025-12-04T02:23:00.704+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1445963573825110077`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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I'm not sure but I think @LukeW found a bunch of potential DRC violations inside the 9t cells? Or was I confused about that?
```
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## message-1445969250505199757
**2025-12-04T02:45:34.13+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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I hope not, I am using 9T.
I think I haven't see any DRCs on them.
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## message-1445969461818691747
**2025-12-04T02:46:24.511+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1445969461818691747`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1445969461818691747
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https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/issues/34
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## message-1445969772062838854
**2025-12-04T02:47:38.479+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1445969772062838854`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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Looks like it might just be the clock gate cell
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## message-1446018887001968681
**2025-12-04T06:02:48.393+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1446018887001968681`
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These all seem to be false positives. At least the CO rules in magic are, due to the way the rules are implemented.
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## message-1446079864653352984
**2025-12-04T10:05:06.598+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
- Message ID: `1446079864653352984`
- Author ID: `803213471402688522`
- Nickname: LukeW
- User name: _luke_w_
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-04T10:05:20.162+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1446079864653352984
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I haven't been updating that issue with all the flagged DRCs because I think we need to just DRC the whole library post-tapeout. I no longer have any ICGTPs in my design (just two ICGTNs) but I do have a lot of `sdffq_4` which are also flagged by Magic.
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## message-1446128540109246585
**2025-12-04T13:18:31.731+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1446128540109246585`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1446128540109246585
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hot damn these 9T cells are giving much better results for my design
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## message-1446138800022749274
**2025-12-04T13:59:17.885+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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- Author ID: `538398807986274304`
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Is your design 3.3 or 5V?
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## message-1446139130785431733
**2025-12-04T14:00:36.745+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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5V
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## message-1446139631073624144
**2025-12-04T14:02:36.023+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1446139631073624144`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-04T14:07:50.593+00:00
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**Content**
```text
went from barely scraping by the ss/hot corners with tonnnns of slack/margin/buffer tweaking, to gobs of margin and I'm starting to dial back the settings (and increase the speed). like 0.2ns slack up to 30ns slack in some corners
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## message-1446165809683763211
**2025-12-04T15:46:37.49+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1446165809683763211`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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What is the current flow? Do I just run libralane-nodrc to generate the GDS, and then verify the GDS using fg180mcu-precheck?
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## message-1446221836433100860
**2025-12-04T19:29:15.308+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1446221836433100860`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
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**Content**
```text
I think a separate GF180 macro template would be a great addition to complement this template. The further along this template has come, the more focused it is on top level, but it has lots of great features that are specific to GF180 that would be useful for making macros.
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## message-1446232840831242386
**2025-12-04T20:12:58.961+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1446233012118487272
**2025-12-04T20:13:39.799+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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📢 The PDK and project template have been updated with the following changes:
- PDK [1.3.1](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/releases/tag/1.3.1)
- Implement CUP.2 and CUP.3 rules.
- Modify the pad library to conform to CUP.2 and CUP.3.
- Flatten the guard ring and merge the marker polygons.
- Correct `ANTENNAGATEPLUSDIFF` in the techlef for thick oxide devices. (thanks @egor!)
- Project template [1.2.2](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.2.2)
- Update the PDK to 1.3.1.
- Enable KLayout antenna checks by default.
- Add a script to generate standalone padrings for analog designs.
Please ensure you update your project and clone the latest PDK version.
Note: This is not the final update to the project template and PDK before the tapeout. At least one more update to the filler generation is planned.
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## message-1446233054736683008
**2025-12-04T20:13:49.96+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Pinned a message.
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## message-1446247605754396853
**2025-12-04T21:11:39.193+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1446247605754396853`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2025-12-04T21:11:57.143+00:00
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PDK_TAG in Makefile is 1.3.0 is that ok?
I built a chip via PDK_TAG=1.3.1 make librelane-nodrc
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## message-1446254295656693762
**2025-12-04T21:38:14.19+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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The PDK_TAG in the Makefile should be 1.3.1: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/blob/6ca8397bb7542385b5537af4e4b6d5ed80882b57/Makefile#L8
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## message-1446291237354078391
**2025-12-05T00:05:01.777+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1446291237354078391`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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- User name: polyfractal
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after updating and rebuilding, should we re-submit to platform.wafer.space ? or just hold off until the final update with filler changes?
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## message-1446313837140644011
**2025-12-05T01:34:49.986+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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There is a bit of a queue on the precheck at the moment. I'm working on an upgrade for the queueing that should make things go faster.
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## message-1446446102734962835
**2025-12-05T10:20:24.561+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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📢 Major performance update!
A long-standing issue in the KLayout DRC deck has been discovered and fixed 🎉
Many thanks to Matthias for [investigating the issue and providing a solution](https://github.com/KLayout/klayout/issues/2241#issuecomment-3612915372).
This reduces the time taken by KLayout DRC for one tested design from several hours to just 1.5h ⏱️
- PDK [1.4.1](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/releases/tag/1.4.1)
- Fix the connectivity setup in KLayout DRC.
- Check for both P/N-type diodes in the KLayout antenna script. (thanks @tnt!)
Make sure to update your project and your local precheck with the latest PDK:
- Project template [1.2.3](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.2.3)
- Precheck [1.4.2](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/releases/tag/1.4.2)
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## message-1446446172695822517
**2025-12-05T10:20:41.241+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Pinned a message.
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## message-1446450880768638986
**2025-12-05T10:39:23.733+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
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Awesome, my current precheck is still not finished after > 27 hours and was stuck for most of the time in the connectivity setup 😆
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## message-1446452145103704076
**2025-12-05T10:44:25.174+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Well, let me know how it goes 😉
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## message-1446456490511695924
**2025-12-05T11:01:41.2+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446456490511695924`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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BTW, running antenna check pre-fill GDS also seemed to speed it up a bit FWIW.
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## message-1446463139339309118
**2025-12-05T11:28:06.404+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, this is because both the antenna script and the DRC deck consider the dummy shapes for their checks. Since we have dedicated DRC rules for dummy, which ensures they are spaced from active metal, there's no need to include them here. It's on my list :)
In fact, I have already removed the dummy shapes from the connectivity setup.
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## message-1446522068647678024
**2025-12-05T15:22:16.246+00:00 — Thorben (@thorben_61995)**
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So the old precheck took a whopping "1 day, 12:33:53" to complete on my design (luckily successfully) on a big server. I'm currently running the updated one to see how much faster it goes. If the current pipeline on platform.wafer.space is still running with the old precheck version, you might want to remove my submission from the queue (seems like a waste of time).
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## message-1446534939418820661
**2025-12-05T16:13:24.877+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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@Lofty What is the likelihood that the gate-level implementation might no longer match the behavioral specification? I’m asking because we constantly build chips, and although we could preserve stage 6, I wanted to understand whether this mismatch is actually possible.
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## message-1446535310560464997
**2025-12-05T16:14:53.364+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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Um. I think I'm lacking context here. I assume you mean stage 6 of LibreLane, which is Yosys synthesis
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## message-1446535349122760747
**2025-12-05T16:15:02.558+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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yes
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## message-1446535433604436080
**2025-12-05T16:15:22.7+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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Then the likelihood being above zero is a bug :p
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## message-1446535697275293798
**2025-12-05T16:16:25.564+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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Otherwise, we would always have to completely rebuild everything starting from stage 6, even though that stage has already been thoroughly tested.
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## message-1446535879865663698
**2025-12-05T16:17:09.097+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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I assume you're rebuilding the chips because you need to change some librelane `config.yaml` setting?
```
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## message-1446536123169116222
**2025-12-05T16:18:07.105+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1446536123169116222`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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- User name: logic_destroyer
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And many other things as well, but they’re mostly only relevant for everything after stage 6.
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## message-1446536222808871115
**2025-12-05T16:18:30.861+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1446536222808871115`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Default`
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```text
you should be more specific about what you're changing
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## message-1446536287040311398
**2025-12-05T16:18:46.175+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1446536287040311398`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/tree/main
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## message-1446536334259785912
**2025-12-05T16:18:57.433+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
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I mean the librelane settings
```
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## message-1446536346444496937
**2025-12-05T16:19:00.338+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu
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## message-1446536450714894507
**2025-12-05T16:19:25.198+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1446536450714894507`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Default`
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```text
e.g. if you're changing `STD_CELL_LIBRARY` from 7-track to 9-track, you need to go through Yosys again
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## message-1446536490430501014
**2025-12-05T16:19:34.667+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1446536490430501014`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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this is a PDK, not the librelane settings.
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## message-1446536564451705036
**2025-12-05T16:19:52.315+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1446536564451705036`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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and this is a project template, not the librelane settings.
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## message-1446536581900140606
**2025-12-05T16:19:56.475+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1446536581900140606`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Default`
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:p
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## message-1446536780357570743
**2025-12-05T16:20:43.791+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1446536780357570743`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
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```text
The config.yaml is embedded in the template, and everything else is derived from it.
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## message-1446536808023326803
**2025-12-05T16:20:50.387+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1446536808023326803`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Default`
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yes.
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## message-1446536849882484747
**2025-12-05T16:21:00.367+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1446536849882484747`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
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but you said you are changing some settings
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## message-1446536874960359495
**2025-12-05T16:21:06.346+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1446536874960359495`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
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what are the settings you are changing
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## message-1446537313978159254
**2025-12-05T16:22:51.016+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1446537313978159254`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
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I just wanted to ask whether rebuilding from stage 0 could change the Yosys synthesis semantics, but you said it wouldn’t.
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## message-1446537424162525234
**2025-12-05T16:23:17.286+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1446537424162525234`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
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assuming the input is the same, it won't
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## message-1446537463232200766
**2025-12-05T16:23:26.601+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1446537463232200766`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
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thank you
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## message-1446537909200228392
**2025-12-05T16:25:12.928+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1446537909200228392`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-05T16:25:27.144+00:00
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It could be that nothing in the behavioral code changed, yet the synthesis still comes out differently (when buggy) after many runs.
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## message-1446773958568575108
**2025-12-06T08:03:11.483+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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**Content**
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I believe Yosys **should** be deterministic / reproducible, same input produces the same output. I don't know if anyone is validating / checking that aspect and it is really easily to make output of tools like Yosys non-deterministic/reproducible. https://reproducible-builds.org/ goes through a lot of what it takes to make things reproducible.
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## message-1446774344079507466
**2025-12-06T08:04:43.396+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446774344079507466`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1446774344079507466
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**Content**
```text
It's been a while since I checked, but it was deterministic on the same platform / same binary. ( i.e. if you run it twice ). But if you run on different platforms, it might not be. ( And then of course different version could produce different results obviously ).
```
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## message-1446776059159904277
**2025-12-06T08:11:32.303+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1446776059159904277`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
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If someone (or a CI system) isn't paying attention to it, these things sadly seem to drift 🙁
```
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## message-1446794125197447188
**2025-12-06T09:23:19.582+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1446794125197447188`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-06T09:29:47.242+00:00
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**Content**
```text
normal @Tim 'mithro' Ansell @Leo Moser (mole99) ?
How long is it expected to take? I have the latest versions of all three repositories (gf180mcu PDK, template, and checker) from Git.
```
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## message-1446924107475058910
**2025-12-06T17:59:49.772+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1446924107475058910`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-06T18:00:23.408+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1446924107475058910
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```text
the whole precheck takes about 4hrs on my build server atm (Ryzen 9950x3d, about the fastest I could rent on short notice)
```
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## message-1446924830111961251
**2025-12-06T18:02:42.062+00:00 — urish**
- Message ID: `1446924830111961251`
- Author ID: `732347216412278825`
- Nickname: urish
- User name: urish
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1446924830111961251
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**Content**
```text
Takes 4:30 to 5 hours for Tiny Tapeout on GitHub actions, e.g. a fresh one from today:
```
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## message-1446928927678398475
**2025-12-06T18:18:58.998+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1446928927678398475`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1446928927678398475
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**Content**
```text
If you have the RAM, running magic DRC / KLayout DRC / KLayout antenna in parallel can shorten that.
```
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## message-1446957224999125274
**2025-12-06T20:11:25.605+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1446957224999125274`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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how?
```
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## message-1446957372735226097
**2025-12-06T20:12:00.828+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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how to rent, where?
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## message-1446957757004648498
**2025-12-06T20:13:32.445+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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I'm using OVH and their "Gaming" dedicated bare metal servers: https://us.ovhcloud.com/bare-metal/
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## message-1446958907749826671
**2025-12-06T20:18:06.804+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
- Message ID: `1446958907749826671`
- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
- User name: logic_destroyer
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2025-12-06T20:19:08.315+00:00
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by make librelane-magicdrc, make librelane-klayoutdrc? How antenna (inside DRCs)?
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## message-1446964963246608628
**2025-12-06T20:42:10.547+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1446964963246608628`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
- Pinned: yes
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1446964963246608628
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%F0%9F%8F%97%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Designing/project-template/2025-12/2025-12.json
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📢 Update Time!
The PDK has been updated with changes to the KLayout antenna script.
- PDK [1.4.4](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/releases/tag/1.4.4)
- Skip certain checks in the KLayout antenna script if corresponding layers are empty. Correctly check the top metal layer. (thanks @Egor Lukyanchenko!)
- Don't consider dummy metal in the KLayout antenna script (already handled by the DRC rules).
- *Actually* check for both P/N-type diodes in the KLayout antenna script. (thanks again @tnt!)
Please make sure to update:
- Project template [1.2.5](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.2.5)
- Precheck [1.4.3](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/releases/tag/1.4.3)
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## message-1446965026412953771
**2025-12-06T20:42:25.607+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1447077465296998421
**2025-12-07T04:09:13.126+00:00 — Noritsuna Imamura (@noritsunaimamura)**
- Message ID: `1447077465296998421`
- Author ID: `754661674145022032`
- Nickname: Noritsuna Imamura
- User name: noritsunaimamura
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2025-12-07T04:09:55.045+00:00
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There were thousands of antenna errors and CUP errors, but the fixes have been completed successfully.
All Green in "Precheck 1.4.3"!
- Fixed antenna and CUP errors in PDK 1.4.4.
- Replaced the frame with the "template 1.2.5" base generated by the "make librelane-padring".
https://github.com/ishi-kai/ISHI-KAI_Multiple_Projects_WaferSapce-GF180-1/raw/main/images/precheck_7th_OK.png
- GDS
https://github.com/ishi-kai/ISHI-KAI_Multiple_Projects_WaferSapce-GF180-1/blob/main/gds/ISHI-KAI_WS_RUN1.zip
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## message-1447118940114260030
**2025-12-07T06:54:01.493+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1447118940114260030`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1447118940114260030
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Great!
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## message-1447147175594295433
**2025-12-07T08:46:13.356+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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## message-1448086720510824458
**2025-12-09T22:59:38.32+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1448086720510824458`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
- Pinned: yes
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1448086720510824458
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📢 @everyone Important Update!
This update introduces a reworked filler generation that complies with several rules that the foundry did not allow us to waive. This may result in your design not meeting the necessary metal density requirements. Therefore, an option has been added to the filler generation script which enables the dummy fill shapes to be moved to the active metal layer, in order to allow some of these very restrictive rules to be ignored.
This option is enabled by default for the Metal2 layer in the project template, as this layer is most likely to be under the minimum density limit for digital designs.
Additionally, the antenna script has been updated to correctly verify the antenna rules according to the PDK docs. Previously, the check did not take the diode area into account correctly. Thanks to @tnt for identifying the issue and to @Egor Lukyanchenko for providing an updated KLayout implementation.
Furthermore, another issue was discovered in the antenna script.
Similar to the DRC deck, the comp layer needs to be cut by the poly gate to prevent shorts in the extracted netlist. This was less obvious than in the DRC deck, since the antenna check starts with the lower layers and progresses to the upper layers. It is expected for the check to get progressively slower - but not to this extent!
The antenna check should now finish in reasonable time, even for very complex designs.
(Previously, one design with a lot of combinatorial logic timed out on the online platform. Now the antenna check for this design completes in 13.7 minutes on my machine.)
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## message-1448086732024184965
**2025-12-09T22:59:41.065+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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```text
- PDK [1.6.3](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/releases/tag/1.6.1)
- Correctly implement antenna checks based on `ANTENNADIFFSIDEAREARATIO`.
- Fix shorts in the antenna connectivity setup.
- Update the magic tech file from open_pdks.
- Filler generation:
- Comply with DPF.12, DPF.13, DM.4_DM.6, DM.5_DM.7 and DPF.1.
- Add option to the filler generation to move a dummy metal layer to active metal and ignore DM.4_DM.6 and DM.5_DM.7.
- Project template [1.3.0](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.3.0)
- Update the LibreLane branch.
- Enable active dummy fill for Metal2 layer.
- Precheck [1.5.0](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/releases/tag/1.5.0)
- Update the LibreLane branch.
Please make sure to update the wafer.space logo in the template repo, as its shapes have been copied to all metal layers to make it easier to meet the global density requirements.
Note: If your design passes the latest precheck, it is eligible for tapeout.
```
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## message-1448086780187246864
**2025-12-09T22:59:52.548+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1448086818032455733
**2025-12-09T23:00:01.571+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1448087950351929504
**2025-12-09T23:04:31.537+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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Since this affects dummy fill well after synthesis/routing/etc and the rest is DRC/antenna checks, I assume we can restart the build process later down the line? Do you happen to know at what step we should restart it?
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## message-1448089689599901787
**2025-12-09T23:11:26.206+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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It's probably best to start from the beginning of the flow. The manual macro placement comes right after synthesis, so there isn't much gained.
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## message-1448090728184938639
**2025-12-09T23:15:33.824+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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ah ok. will do, thanks!
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## message-1448092044118724732
**2025-12-09T23:20:47.567+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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followup question: if we have art in the corners similar to the ID/WS logo, shoudl we also copy it to all the metal layers? or only needed if the dummy fill generation struggles for some reason?
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## message-1448092147265048657
**2025-12-09T23:21:12.159+00:00 — Buck (@buck_042)**
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- Author ID: `839883081896689765`
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Previously, when we used the analog-style top integration, we ran the fill step with
klayout -b -zz -r ${PDK_ROOT}/${PDK}/libs.tech/klayout/tech/drc/filler_generation/fill_all.rb -rd input=chip_top.gds -rd output=chip_top_filled.gds.
Now that the filler scripts have been updated, could you please let me know whether this command should also be updated (for example, by adding any additional options)? Thanks!
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## message-1448103171321757706
**2025-12-10T00:05:00.499+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) - Any idea?
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## message-1448184728413802610
**2025-12-10T05:29:05.225+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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> 973618 KLayout DRC errors found.
oh lawdy
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## message-1448184867035811900
**2025-12-10T05:29:38.275+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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i'm hoping I didn't update the repo correctly or something 😅
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## message-1448187267905753281
**2025-12-10T05:39:10.687+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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hmm, I was hopeful config.yaml merged without the new `Metal2_active` or accidentally left in `COMP_fill_cell` / `Poly2_fill_cell`... but no, that merged cleanly
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## message-1448187706982010890
**2025-12-10T05:40:55.371+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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Wow, on my beefy CPU, I was at 2 days total, roughly 1 day 16 hours alone on the antenna check. I updated to this and it finished within 12 minutes!
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## message-1448189902629113937
**2025-12-10T05:49:38.854+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Sure, when I'm not asleep 😄
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## message-1448190186449272992
**2025-12-10T05:50:46.522+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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BTW What is your "beefy CPU"?
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## message-1448190234184515634
**2025-12-10T05:50:57.903+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, that would be to meet the global target density more easily. If you have no issue meeting it, then it's not necessary.
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## message-1448190916429873202
**2025-12-10T05:53:40.563+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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If you're making an analog design, you should be able to use the filler generation as is and still meet all density limits.
If you have problems meeting the density limit for one of the layers, you can pass `-rd Metaln_active` to the script, where n is the number of the metal layer. This moves the fill shapes to the active metal layer and thus ignores some of the dummy fill rules.
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## message-1448191184294903889
**2025-12-10T05:54:44.427+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Did you also clone the latest PDK, not just update the tag? 😁
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## message-1448191582997319792
**2025-12-10T05:56:19.485+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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pretty sure I did! will redo all the steps just to be safe
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## message-1448191835661930638
**2025-12-10T05:57:19.725+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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"Relatively beefy" - for what I could afford at the time (2 years ago), not sure how it holds up now days!
13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13700K
My main computer (powerhouse) is an M1 max mac which the above CPU keeps up with nicely. With all the issues from librelane on mac, I loaded ubuntu onto the Intel chip and have been running pnr for my design on that. No issues since. I still use the mac for cocotb tb and everything else.
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## message-1448208340214747196
**2025-12-10T07:02:54.717+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) Moving the filler to active should not be done during fill generation. It should be kept as a filler layer until the very end so you can run DRC with it as a filler metal except for those DF rules.
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## message-1448208712668811264
**2025-12-10T07:04:23.517+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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And you can't just move say Metal2 anyway because if you move it to active, then you'll violate the rules for the Metal3 dummy so it's pretty much an all or nothing.
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## message-1448214231185883187
**2025-12-10T07:26:19.234+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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@tnt I see your point. However, I was considering the consequences of moving all dummy fill to active metal during the precheck. If we place the fill as dummy metal, but ignore DM.4_DM.6, DM.5_DM.7, we would need to remove these rules from the DRC deck.
This means, even designs where we don't need to use these exceptions (analog designs and the smaller slot sizes for digital designs) will have their dummy fill moved to active metal. I'm also not sure how happy GF will be about us circumventing these rules. Therefore, I thought it would be better to violate this rule on only one layer.
However, you're right. I'm seeing issues with the dummy fill on Metal3 that I didn't notice yesterday: it's getting placed on top of active Metal2.
I'll try to fix this and see if Metal3 can still meet density. If not we may need to resort to the all or nothing method.
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## message-1448214396261236756
**2025-12-10T07:26:58.591+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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@BreakingTaps This is the issue you're seeing. Sorry about that! I'll look into what went wrong.
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## message-1448216671809441864
**2025-12-10T07:36:01.124+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Ideally you'd have the option to ignore the distance to next/prev layers but still put them as dummy metal. And then another option in the DRC deck to ignore those rules, then as the last step of the hardening process, move them from `filler` to `drawing` and then run the full precheck on that.
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## message-1448217004094783558
**2025-12-10T07:37:20.347+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1448217004094783558`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
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I guess an ideal solution would be, per layer, to add dummy fill as normal first, and then if the min density isn’t met add as little active metal as possible to meet the density requirement. That would then tend not to be so much that the dummy fill on the layer above is too blocked.
Maybe that could be achieved by only converting some of the dummy to active during fill generation for each layer?
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## message-1448217504303550535
**2025-12-10T07:39:19.606+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1448217504303550535`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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Thing is if you add active on one layer, you now need to remove filler above/below it if you want to meet that rule ..
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## message-1448218530481836093
**2025-12-10T07:43:24.266+00:00 — urish**
- Message ID: `1448218530481836093`
- Author ID: `732347216412278825`
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Let's think like a smart LLM.
Instead of solving the actual problem, we'll simply write a script that will delete the problematic rule from the calibre deck. Then find a vulnerability in calibre that will allow code execution. Run this script. Problem solved!
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## message-1448219899619971143
**2025-12-10T07:48:50.694+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1448219899619971143`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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I was more thinking like ... add some solid `Metal2.drawing` between the bond pads.
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## message-1448219972814770187
**2025-12-10T07:49:08.145+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1448219972814770187`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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Tons of area far from everything that matters ...
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## message-1448223125157449728
**2025-12-10T08:01:39.722+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1448223125157449728`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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Alright, I found the issue in the filler script. The top-level filler cells were only added to the layout once they had been generated for all layers. This means that subsequent layers did not consider previous ones (which was fine when it all was dummy metal).
By using `start_changes()` and `end_changes()` I can add the top-level filler cells before generating the actual fill. This allows each fill layer to consider the previous one. However, it does not allow to consider the subsequent layer, i.e. if you generate dummy metal on Metal2, you would need to consider this when placing active Metal3. Therefore, fill would need to be done in two passes: first generate the active metal fill for some layers, then generate the dummy metal fill for the other layers. But yeah, it would prevent fill on the layers above and below the active fill, so not a solution anyways...
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## message-1448223411196133428
**2025-12-10T08:02:47.919+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1448223411196133428`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
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```text
The truly general solution is to ignore DM.4_DM.6 and DM.5_DM.7 when generating the dummy fill, and to move these shapes to active metal during the precheck.
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## message-1448258350910537728
**2025-12-10T10:21:38.196+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1448258350910537728`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
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@everyone Filler Generation Hotfix!
Yesterday's update to the filler generation did not work as expected. Sorry about that!
The new approach is to keep the metal fill as dummy metal until the submission. The precheck will then move the dummy metal shapes to active metal.
This allows us to ignore the previous/subsequent dummy metal rules, which are disabled by default for Metal2 in the project template.
- PDK [1.6.4](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/releases/tag/1.6.4)
- Keep fill on dummy metal layers.
- Rename option to `Metaln_ignore_active`.
- Project template [1.3.1](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.3.1)
- Update the PDK and use the new filler option for Metal2.
- Precheck [1.5.1](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/releases/tag/1.5.1)
- Move dummy metal shapes to active metal.
Please update your projects and clone the latest PDK.
Should any issues arise during this process, please let us know.
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## message-1448258377636511758
**2025-12-10T10:21:44.568+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Pinned a message.
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## message-1448290396244545740
**2025-12-10T12:28:58.399+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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## message-1448298480618438687
**2025-12-10T13:01:05.864+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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How much do you want to bet that when GF itself runs fill generation, that they just fill all layers and don't run DRC afterwards?
It would be instructive and maybe helpful in the long term to get photos of one of the original GF open MPW runs, etching the surface away to get a view of each metal layer's fill pattern. Then we will either come to an understanding of what GF actually does to get correct fill density without violating their own rules, or we'll have evidence to go back to them and insist that they change their rules.
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## message-1448299091149979658
**2025-12-10T13:03:31.426+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448299091149979658`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Tim Ansell has a bunch of raw dies from me, ready for destructive testing
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## message-1448299301708238971
**2025-12-10T13:04:21.627+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) : The implication of the "new approach" is that the previous simple fill pattern generation works correctly with the new method. So if we submitted something with the original fill pattern generation, do we need to do anything other than re-run precheck? Is there even a way on the server to simply re-run the precheck without doing a new upload?
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## message-1448301834182590505
**2025-12-10T13:14:25.416+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, if you have previously generated the fill pattern when these rules were completely ignored, you can submit your design, as all the dummy layers will be moved to active metal.
However, it might be better to only enable the exception for those layers that really need it :)
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## message-1448301896237318225
**2025-12-10T13:14:40.211+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1448301896237318225`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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When it comes to the server, that's @Tim 'mithro' Ansell's domain.
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## message-1448302389370163342
**2025-12-10T13:16:37.783+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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There is a bunch of images at https://siliconpr0n.org/archive/doku.php?id=vendor:efabless&s[]=gf180mcu#master_page_list but I don't think we ever got as far as delayering
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## message-1448302741930774539
**2025-12-10T13:18:01.84+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448302741930774539`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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Also no images from GFMPW-1 dies, which might've been different.
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## message-1448304778114502727
**2025-12-10T13:26:07.304+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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This looks like about the best image of fill patterns I can get from the GFMPW-0 photos. It's hard to tell which layers are represented other than top metal.
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## message-1448306013123117276
**2025-12-10T13:31:01.753+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1448306013123117276`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
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There doesn't seem to be much fill at all next to the bondpads, but it should be allowed according to their rule. But then again, the density might already be achieved in that local area:
> 1. Check the metal density in an area of 200um by 200um at a step of 100um.
> 2. Add dummy metal if total die metal density is less than 30%
We don't do that, we fill globally and as much as we can.
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## message-1448331655004684459
**2025-12-10T15:12:55.254+00:00 — LukeW (@_luke_w_)**
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Are the foundry 9-track cells DRC-clean with the latest changes to the DRC decks?
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## message-1448332634387386510
**2025-12-10T15:16:48.757+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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No, we would waive them in the online platform. The long term plan is to either adjust the GDS slightly or to add GDS-based rules to the magic tech file.
However, there were talks about making magic DRC errors not fail the precheck, which seems to be the likely way forward: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1448059137593184366/1448295208683962420
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## message-1448386150753505320
**2025-12-10T18:49:28.053+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
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I'm trying to work through my thousands of capacitance and slew violations all related to the pads. Does anyone know where OUTPUT_CAP_LOAD and MAX_CAPACITANCE_CONSTRAINT is defined? Also, I quickly looked through the IO lib files and noticed a max capacitance of 30 while MAX_CAPACITANCE_CONSTRAINT is set to 0.2. I'm assuming this is good for internal cells but is 0.2 correct for the pads and can it be relaxed? Has anyone gotten around the cap and slew violations?
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## message-1448397073715302522
**2025-12-10T19:32:52.29+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Submitting this to precheck. Wish me luck.
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## message-1448413006445940847
**2025-12-10T20:36:10.949+00:00 — digshadow**
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1448413006445940847
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I'm not really closely watching this, but if there is an image that you want let me know ASAP
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## message-1448413039606104145
**2025-12-10T20:36:18.855+00:00 — digshadow**
- Message ID: `1448413039606104145`
- Author ID: `643551115920670720`
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As I'm actively tearing down my lab right now for an indeterminate amount of time
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## message-1448413953217790083
**2025-12-10T20:39:56.677+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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The block between the two large drawing has a tenuous link to power 😅 I guess at 5V the IR drop isn't all that big a deal but still, not sure if IR Drop stuff is properly setup in the default template.
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## message-1448417440437371042
**2025-12-10T20:53:48.095+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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There isn’t actually a lot of standard cells in there. 10% density. Its the project multiplexer
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## message-1448431165831909478
**2025-12-10T21:48:20.484+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448431165831909478`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1448431165831909478
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9 Magic DRC Errors
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## message-1448431401966764062
**2025-12-10T21:49:16.783+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448431401966764062`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I guess I can’t access the report right away.
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## message-1448437138705223883
**2025-12-10T22:12:04.528+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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No idea how to run just the magic DRC checks locally.
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## message-1448438521999392963
**2025-12-10T22:17:34.331+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Actually, I believe I know which specific rule is being violated in KLayout. Can I run just that rule?
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## message-1448478607763570872
**2025-12-11T00:56:51.522+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Tholin - Coming to platform.wafer.space "real soon now"
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## message-1448491726128808097
**2025-12-11T01:48:59.184+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448491726128808097`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1448491726128808097
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Passed magic DRC just now
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## message-1448491815870140487
**2025-12-11T01:49:20.58+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448491815870140487`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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So I’m probably good
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## message-1448504722204917800
**2025-12-11T02:40:37.69+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Tholin - \o/
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## message-1448666516110315551
**2025-12-11T13:23:32.363+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448666516110315551`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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I ran the full KLayout DRC locally and got hit with a 500 megabyte DRC report file with millions of dummy metal violations, but I didn’t get these on the online precheck?
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## message-1448666649971396709
**2025-12-11T13:24:04.278+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448666649971396709`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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- Edited: 2025-12-11T13:24:06.753+00:00
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Actually crashed my text editor
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## message-1448667124179402773
**2025-12-11T13:25:57.338+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1448667124179402773`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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The default template now ignores one of the DRC rule when generating fill because it's basically impossible to meet density and full fill that rule ...
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## message-1448667175991771156
**2025-12-11T13:26:09.691+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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The DRC deck has some option IIRC to now disable that part of the deck.
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## message-1448667796337590384
**2025-12-11T13:28:37.593+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Yeah, I now. I saw and was like "why is this disabled? curious!"
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## message-1448667803551928402
**2025-12-11T13:28:39.313+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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So I tried it
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## message-1448667825186275399
**2025-12-11T13:28:44.471+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Mistakes were made
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## message-1448667862494347306
**2025-12-11T13:28:53.366+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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I lost some unsaved changes in that text editor
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## message-1448668043872960604
**2025-12-11T13:29:36.61+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I assume the fab waived this?
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## message-1448669328353529856
**2025-12-11T13:34:42.854+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Nope
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## message-1448669598135357544
**2025-12-11T13:35:47.175+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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waferspace will copy the "fill" shape to the "drawing" layer before submission to fab and cross their finger the fab doesn't complain about it.
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## message-1448670324915699743
**2025-12-11T13:38:40.453+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Is this done during precheck and DRC checked?
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## message-1448672497498062918
**2025-12-11T13:47:18.437+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes
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## message-1448675610242056334
**2025-12-11T13:59:40.573+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448675610242056334`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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Very good. Then I have not observed any issues with this yet.
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## message-1448675707294187651
**2025-12-11T14:00:03.712+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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With how large the dummy block areas around my art blocks are, I was worried about not meeting density requirements, but it appears I’m all good.
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## message-1448745383189544960
**2025-12-11T18:36:55.74+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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```text
```
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## message-1448745463749672970
**2025-12-11T18:37:14.947+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I had to manually edit out some DRC errors in KLayout, but its all good to go now!
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## message-1448745562806423744
**2025-12-11T18:37:38.564+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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So, does that mean I can finally click this?
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## message-1448771278264860692
**2025-12-11T20:19:49.607+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
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- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
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I'm getting this: `Required PDK variable 'DPL_CELL_PADDING' did not get a specified value. This PDK may be incompatible with your flow` while trying to run the make `librelane-openroad` (launching openroad). I'm not sure if it's something I did, and I'm looking around, but I did just update the PDK. Does anyone else have this issue on the latest pdk update?
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## message-1448784181407514842
**2025-12-11T21:11:05.956+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell @Leo Moser (mole99) should I?
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## message-1448785199830794311
**2025-12-11T21:15:08.767+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448785199830794311`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-11T21:15:39.288+00:00
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**Content**
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I made another thing real quick. I doubt its gonna get fabbed during this run. But after the logo, there was still plenty of space in the margins for logic, so I put the wafer.space screensaver VGA demo that got submitted to TT. Felt appropriate.
```
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## message-1448804302897414226
**2025-12-11T22:31:03.293+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
- Nickname: asic destroyer
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## message-1448840968156614809
**2025-12-12T00:56:44.972+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1448840968156614809`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : I'm not allowed to change my own project description? My project description changed slightly with the last submission, but "Edit" does not allow me to edit that description. I can see locking it after the chip has been submitted for manufacture, but not before.
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## message-1448877673492516985
**2025-12-12T03:22:36.206+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1448877673492516985`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1448877673492516985
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@Tim Edwards - What happens when you try to edit the description?
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## message-1448881110871441571
**2025-12-12T03:36:15.741+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1448881110871441571`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : I can't. There's no option to do so.
```
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## message-1448881608420753438
**2025-12-12T03:38:14.366+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1448881608420753438`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1448881608420753438
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**Content**
```text
Can you send me a screenshot of the project page? Do you see a blue edit button in the "Project Details" section?
```
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## message-1448883040607801547
**2025-12-12T03:43:55.826+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1448883040607801547`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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There's an Edit button, but when I click on it, the options to edit are limited. Just a public/private checkbox, URL, and license (if I recall correctly---Not at my desk now).
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## message-1448902518108196906
**2025-12-12T05:01:19.624+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1448902518108196906`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1448902518108196906
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The description and project title should be on that edit page.
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## message-1448983032177492092
**2025-12-12T10:21:15.674+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1448983032177492092`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1448983032177492092
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I noticed that too. descriptions don't appear on the edit page..
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## message-1448983076112699474
**2025-12-12T10:21:26.149+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1448983076112699474`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
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```
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## message-1448984164610347049
**2025-12-12T10:25:45.667+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1448984164610347049`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1448984164610347049
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Can’t create a new project either, which I guess makes sense. I just wanted to see if the wafer.space logo die passes prechecks, since DRC struggles with art that big.
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## message-1449020740451041404
**2025-12-12T12:51:06.027+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1449020740451041404`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1449020740451041404
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Tip: start writing your documentation ASAP. I am a handful of paragraphs into writing mine and I already discovered and fixed two bugs in my designs.
```
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## message-1449038181843468369
**2025-12-12T14:00:24.379+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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I see what Greg showed in the screenshot. No editable title, no editable description.
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## message-1449067891721764936
**2025-12-12T15:58:27.766+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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**Content**
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I was able to edit all fields
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## message-1449136684519133184
**2025-12-12T20:31:49.247+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Really? What does the edit page for "Project Details" look like for you?
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## message-1449138030479802390
**2025-12-12T20:37:10.149+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1449138030479802390`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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**Content**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) : I'm getting antenna violations on I/O pins. The I/O pins are on the 3.3V set and I may be seeing violations which others don't see because the 3.3V transistors at the input are smaller and so the ratio is easier to exceed (plus the ratio was only slightly above 400). The problem is that these pins _are_ connected to antenna diodes. They have a (to me) weird configuration in which the signal is connected to the nwell of an nwell-to-pdiff diode. But it is still a valid diode. But klayout reports zero diode area for the net.
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## message-1449139685115957282
**2025-12-12T20:43:44.645+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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```text
@Leo Moser (mole99) : Also, I am getting nearly no metal2 fill inside the core area of the chip. This sounds like the issue everyone was having before the latest implementation. But I'm supposed to be using the latest fill. How do I know if the fill pattern generator is current?
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## message-1449145656727048315
**2025-12-12T21:07:28.388+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Thanks for the report @Tim Edwards, I can take a look tomorrow.
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## message-1449145737827975258
**2025-12-12T21:07:47.724+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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You need to explicitly allow the metal fill to ignore the active metal below/above it. The project template sets this in the LibreLane config, however, if you run fill manually then you need to pass the following: `-rd Metal2_ignore_active`
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## message-1449146090359226551
**2025-12-12T21:09:11.774+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1449146090359226551`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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Thanks. Somehow my SRAM test chip worked without it, probably because of all the blank space.
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## message-1449147447606640720
**2025-12-12T21:14:35.367+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
- Type: `Default`
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : I confirmed the issue of not being able to edit the title or description of the project using Chrome, so it's not browser-specific. That was the first time I had logged into wafer.space on that computer, so it isn't cookie-specific, either.
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## message-1449149036719378566
**2025-12-12T21:20:54.241+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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- Author ID: `840182560252624916`
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Sorry! My fault!
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## message-1449180648500756604
**2025-12-12T23:26:31.077+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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You should still be able to create projects - Issue reported @ https://github.com/wafer-space/platform.wafer.space/issues/218
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## message-1449180816939946026
**2025-12-12T23:27:11.236+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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(and @Greg) - Bug reported @ https://github.com/wafer-space/platform.wafer.space/issues/217
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## message-1449181196717265161
**2025-12-12T23:28:41.782+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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@Greg - I started having Claude Code work on trying to do tiles with just SRAM - https://github.com/mithro/gf180mcu-sram-forge and the output repos -> https://github.com/mithro?tab=repositories&q=gf180mcu-ic&type=&language=&sort=
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## message-1449189293217153255
**2025-12-13T00:00:52.138+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Seems like the project creation and project title/description problems are somewhat related.
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## message-1449193145190580336
**2025-12-13T00:16:10.52+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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oh! I didn't know you could put multiple instances in one macro block in the tcl stuff: https://github.com/mithro/gf180mcu-ic-1x1-sram-u8b24k/blob/main/librelane/pdn_cfg.tcl#L177
i dumbly repeated the _grid,_connect, and _stripe stuff for each macro block 🤦♂️
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## message-1449193462766243840
**2025-12-13T00:17:26.236+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1449193462766243840`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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Be careful, the AI might have hallucinated it can do that 😛
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## message-1449193520303964210
**2025-12-13T00:17:39.954+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1449193520303964210`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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oh haha
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## message-1449193549299056702
**2025-12-13T00:17:46.867+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
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😄
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## message-1449197149291151441
**2025-12-13T00:32:05.172+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1449197149291151441`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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Although if an AI hallucinates an API, that has been a good indicator that maybe that API ***should*** actually exist.
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## message-1449201067274272799
**2025-12-13T00:47:39.292+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1449201067274272799`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
- Type: `Default`
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : "Users are reporting being unable to edit their project title. . . They do appear for staff users"---Quick solution: Make everybody part of the staff! Then you can also promote how quickly your company has grown!
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## message-1449201472670797874
**2025-12-13T00:49:15.946+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1449201472670797874`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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As the only investor in this company is me, I doubt they will be convinced 😉
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## message-1449212275939348490
**2025-12-13T01:32:11.646+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1449212275939348490`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
- Type: `Reply`
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The instance name does not have to be complete. I used `u_sram` in my pdn.tcl
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## message-1449212489719091280
**2025-12-13T01:33:02.615+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
- Message ID: `1449212489719091280`
- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
- Nickname: Greg
- User name: greg.hashtag.9468
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**Content**
```text
https://github.com/gregdavill/gf180mcu-racquet/blob/develop/librelane/pdn_cfg.tcl#L200
Which matches all the `u_chip_core.gen_proc_wrapper[].u_proc_wrapper.u_sram` blocks
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## message-1449212951335800974
**2025-12-13T01:34:52.673+00:00 — Greg (@greg.hashtag.9468)**
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- Author ID: `274535015969456128`
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I was having a hard time working out the voodoo incantation to match both placement in the .yaml, and pdn config. tcl doesn't seem to like `[` `]`, but escaping them stopped them matching anything 🙃
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## message-1449233872540799088
**2025-12-13T02:58:00.677+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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The issues should be fixed in an hour or two.
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## message-1449325945197432947
**2025-12-13T09:03:52.509+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Tholin / @Tim Edwards - The fix for the project creation and project edit has been deployed.
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## message-1449407636817580225
**2025-12-13T14:28:29.309+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Submitted the die with the wafer.space logo to precheck and I’m expecting it to succeed. If you end up fabbing it, feel free to use it for all the marketing purposes. Its all yours.
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## message-1449428627992350852
**2025-12-13T15:51:53.995+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Clean & submitted
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## message-1449585569918095360
**2025-12-14T02:15:31.866+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Thank you so much!
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## message-1449586724584816831
**2025-12-14T02:20:07.16+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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**Content**
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@Tholin - Some kinda related terrible ideas:
* There was a bunch of discussion around seeing if we could make the silicon be something like really bad/inefficient infrared LEDs due to silicon being mostly transparent to IR. (I think @Ethan Mahintorabi and @BreakingTaps where part of that discussion but might have it confused with being infrared sensors -- might have instead been @digshadow and bunnie?) -- I wonder if you could make a logo that glows? (or maybe the metal just blocks the light?) 😛
* I wonder if you could make the logo be some type of capacitor or connected to the power rails so the logo does something 😛
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## message-1449596602514804766
**2025-12-14T02:59:22.242+00:00 — digshadow**
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You can do 1060 nanometer fairly easily. Whether that's power efficient or useful is a different question
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## message-1449596883428315332
**2025-12-14T03:00:29.217+00:00 — digshadow**
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I should be clear though, you can't easily do something that's visible to human eye without putting a coating on
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## message-1449600634293846180
**2025-12-14T03:15:23.493+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Glows in an Infrared camera would be fine....
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## message-1449816127919100115
**2025-12-14T17:31:41.177+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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```text
📢 One More Update!
No worries - if your design passed precheck before, it will pass precheck now, too.
This update makes magic DRC optional: magic DRC violations won't block the submission process.
This decision was made due to a number of false positive errors that can show up if you read in a layout in magic that was not generated by magic.
However, please note that you should still **closely verify** all magic DRC violations. If you have any doubts, or magic catches a DRC violation that KLayout does not, please let us know.
The other change is that the antenna check will also consider nwell-to-pcomp diodes. Previously, it only considered pcomp-to-nwell and nplus-to-substrate diodes.
These structures are found inside the foundry-provided I/O cells, so this change should help reduce antenna violations in some cases.
- PDK [1.6.5](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/releases/tag/1.6.5)
- Project Template [1.3.3](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.3.3)
- Precheck [1.5.3](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/releases/tag/1.5.3)
PS: Another reminder to submit your designs @ https://platform.wafer.space/ by [17th Dec @ 11:59pm AoE](https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1361349523724570938/1448290154966945936)❗
And please make sure to update your project description, visibility, license, and URL.
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## message-1449816187323289743
**2025-12-14T17:31:55.34+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Pinned a message.
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## message-1449831550920167646
**2025-12-14T18:32:58.307+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1449831550920167646`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
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Ah, just realised that the template doesn't fail the GitHub action if the GL test fails!
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## message-1449833975949299732
**2025-12-14T18:42:36.479+00:00 — ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma (@rzioma)**
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Indeed, I guess there are cons & pros. It is useful in the sense that you get the GDS for inspection even if the test fails, but easy to miss the failure
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## message-1449834905965035620
**2025-12-14T18:46:18.212+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1449834905965035620`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
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A failing action can still upload artifacts - think I would prefer it to fail but still give you GDS. It would also be nice to upload the final netlist as an artifact so you could then run GL tests locally. Fortunately my test fail was just a setup issue I'd introduced at some point, looks like all is good (not that my tests actually test much - I've had very limited time to work on this - hoping that the fact it's basically the same as the Tiny Tapeout version of TinyQV will save me!)
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## message-1449864649846690053
**2025-12-14T20:44:29.706+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Thanks Mike, that's good feedback. I'll look into it tomorrow.
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## message-1449870888718696611
**2025-12-14T21:09:17.169+00:00 — Noritsuna Imamura (@noritsunaimamura)**
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- User name: noritsunaimamura
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I ran the new PDK and Precheck on the GDS where I had already submitted on platform.wafer.space, and it was successful.
Do I need to precheck this GDS again and submit it on the platform.wafer.space?
https://github.com/ishi-kai/ISHI-KAI_Multiple_Projects_WaferSapce-GF180-1/raw/main/images/precheck_9th_OK.png
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## message-1450028663033561138
**2025-12-15T07:36:13.497+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Great! No, you don't need to resubmit your design.
If it passed the precheck previously, then it is fine.
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## message-1450097393705156680
**2025-12-15T12:09:20.166+00:00 — Simi (@simi150500)**
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- Author ID: `210834917125390336`
- Nickname: Simi
- User name: simi150500
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@Jonathan (JMU, Germany) and I (JKU, Austria) have just submitted our multi-project chip. 🎉
This tapeout has 13 different projects on it, coming from our students or from our research departments.
Some of our highlights are the game Tetris and a RISC-V CPU for our TinyWhisper project. And of course, our students are excited to tape their first chip. 🙌
The starting template has also been extended with some more Makefile targets to also build specific macros, copy important reports `copy-reports`, and copy & ZIP the GDS for submission `copy-gds`. There is also a Makefile target `build-all`, which enables everyone to simply clone the repo, install the `nix-shell`, execute `make build-all` in it, and the whole chip will be built submission-ready. Maybe this is useful for someone for future runs. Feel free to use it. 🙂
A big shoutout to @Leo Moser (mole99), who supported us during this journey. Another thanks to @Tholin and his project (https://github.com/AvalonSemiconductors/ws-submission-2025/), which served as a reference for using macros. Thanks @Tim 'mithro' Ansell and everyone else involved, for making this possible. 🙂
GitHub Repo: https://github.com/iic-jku/gf180mcu-jku-projects
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## message-1450098645792723105
**2025-12-15T12:14:18.687+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1450098645792723105`
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1450098645792723105
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**Content**
```text
Not having reset overrides for non-selected projects is....a choice. Dynamic power consumption on gf180 is particularly high. You’re gonna have some HOT chips!
```
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## message-1450139792510550180
**2025-12-15T14:57:48.829+00:00 — Simi (@simi150500)**
- Message ID: `1450139792510550180`
- Author ID: `210834917125390336`
- Nickname: Simi
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- Type: `Reply`
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Good catch. Thanks for pointing that out. Maybe we find some time to fix this. But probably not until the next run.
Anyway, only the smaller designs are connected to the MUX. The bigger designs are running simultaneously. Therefore, adding reset overrides probably won't significantly affect the chip temperature. It still would be pretty hot. 😅
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## message-1450226544965324943
**2025-12-15T20:42:32.226+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1450226544965324943`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
I've just submitted TinyQV! https://github.com/MichaelBell/ws01-tinyQV?tab=readme-ov-file#tinyqv-for-wafer-space-run-1
TinyQV is an RV32EC system on chip which I designed to work well within Tiny Tapeout's constraints. Earlier in the year there was a competition where Tiny Tapeout contributors could submit compatible peripherals to be taped out as part of the ttsky25a shuttle.
This version is a slight tweak to the Tiny Tapeout version, with UART and audio broken out on extra pins to allow a bit more flexibility in how it can be used, and the ability to work standalone (without the aid of another microcontroller to bring up the flash and PSRAM chips). There's also an SRAM macro providing some scratch memory. There's much more that could be done with the extra pins, possibility of analog interfaces, and using more area - but I've been very tight on time since the Wafer Space announcement (I initially didn't expect to contribute because of this - thanks @Leo Moser (mole99) for encouraging me to take part!)
All the Tiny Tapeout competition winning peripherals are present, plus basic UART, SPI, PWM blocks. Additionally there's a peripheral to interface with the Tiny Tapeout gamepad Pmod, a quickly hacked together change to my VGA display peripheral that should allow a 256x120 resolution video mode, and @ReJ aka Renaldas Zioma's AY-3-819x sound generator - so some retro style games should be possible.
Many thanks to @Tim 'mithro' Ansell and @Leo Moser (mole99) for offering to put TinyQV on the shuttle! I have submitted quarter, half height and half width versions - they are all functionally identical, so use whichever one you have space for.
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## message-1450273290701508709
**2025-12-15T23:48:17.278+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1450273290701508709`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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Great to see all the submissions!
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## message-1450460109481185292
**2025-12-16T12:10:38.346+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1450460109481185292`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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**Content**
```text
📢 Minor Update!
This update fixes a regression introduced in the previous update (sorry!).
If your precheck was clean with PDK version 1.6.4, it will be clean with the latest version as well.
- PDK [1.6.6](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu/releases/tag/1.6.6)
- Project Template [1.3.5](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.3.5)
- Precheck [1.5.4](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/releases/tag/1.5.4)
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## message-1450460191014518835
**2025-12-16T12:10:57.785+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Pinned a message.
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## message-1450534496658128978
**2025-12-16T17:06:13.631+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1450534496658128978`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1450534496658128978
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**Content**
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I re-ran my top-level flow with the new PDK and got this NP.2 and PP.2 violation
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## message-1450539736245600316
**2025-12-16T17:27:02.846+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1450539736245600316`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-16T17:27:05.086+00:00
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Check #111 on the platform
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## message-1450557278552981727
**2025-12-16T18:36:45.258+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Did you open an issue on GitHub? I haven't seen anything yet.
The update to the precheck only affected the antenna check. These issues are probably due to some bad RNG luck.
Are these violations from magic DRC or from KLayout DRC?
Did you verify that these violations are false positives?
If you want help with that issue on Discord, please create a post under #⁉️-questions.
```
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## message-1450707792510976000
**2025-12-17T04:34:50.582+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1450707792510976000`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1450707792510976000
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**Content**
```text
ah ok, @Tim 'mithro' Ansell I think my precheck might actually be stuck this time. running for 10hr, but the resource usage checkpoints stop at 4 minutes. that tracks with the log timestamps too. Gonna restart it but wanted to drop a ping in case it's helpful for debugging or something
```
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## message-1450708821029814302
**2025-12-17T04:38:55.8+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Have you done that already?
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## message-1450708912117514456
**2025-12-17T04:39:17.517+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1450708912117514456`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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yep just restarted it. seems to be crunching along nicely now 👍
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## message-1450709097090384015
**2025-12-17T04:40:01.618+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1450709097090384015`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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There is suppose to be code which finds containers and checks which become orphaned
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## message-1450709262308474994
**2025-12-17T04:40:41.009+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1450709262308474994`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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```text
maybe got in a weird state since it was started right around the redeploy earlier?
```
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## message-1450721703943471196
**2025-12-17T05:30:07.326+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1450721703943471196`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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```text
Yeah, the system "should" be self healing but I guess that isn't working
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## message-1450850338226704394
**2025-12-17T14:01:16.129+00:00 — Trevor Peyton (@trev5514)**
- Message ID: `1450850338226704394`
- Author ID: `805909190333038612`
- Nickname: Trevor Peyton
- User name: trev5514
- Type: `Reply`
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Has anyone submitted since? My design I submitted this morning with this flow returned:
[Error]: Layer 'GUARD_RING_MK' is not used. wafers.space requires a seal ring (guard ring) around the die.
From the wesbite
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## message-1451154623753748623
**2025-12-18T10:10:23.452+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1451154623753748623`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
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I can’t run GL anymore, so I guess no verification for me.
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## message-1451154906366087289
**2025-12-18T10:11:30.832+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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You break your graphics stack?
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## message-1451154974468735130
**2025-12-18T10:11:47.069+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1451154974468735130`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
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Not that GL
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## message-1451155199895802002
**2025-12-18T10:12:40.815+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1451155199895802002`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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This one
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## message-1451156342663544924
**2025-12-18T10:17:13.272+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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``default_nettype wire`?
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## message-1451156623618740276
**2025-12-18T10:18:20.257+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1451156623618740276`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
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The stdcells require that to be set. The last statement even from a previous file is used.
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## message-1451157823680413798
**2025-12-18T10:23:06.374+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1451157823680413798`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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That is very annoying
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## message-1451158722482016307
**2025-12-18T10:26:40.665+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1451158722482016307`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-18T10:27:28.709+00:00
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That is Verilog. You should set `` `default_nettype none`` at the start of all your files and `` `default_nettype wire`` at the end.
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## message-1451223555713925261
**2025-12-18T14:44:18.112+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1451223555713925261`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
- Type: `Default`
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```text
Verilog is the worst hardware description language except for all the others.
```
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## message-1451312998646943975
**2025-12-18T20:39:42.969+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2025-12-18T20:39:58.336+00:00
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My mental model is -- "Verilog is to C" is as "VHDL is to Ada" is as "SystemVerilog is to C++".
That includes things like:
* C is full of foot guns, people think it's a low level language and they know the direct mapping to hardware but don't realise all bets are off when a compiler is involved, etc.
* C++ is a massive language which includes multiple other languages internally, every restricts their usage to some small subsection of the language -- but no one can agree what the right subsection is, etc.
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## message-1451326320268021845
**2025-12-18T21:32:39.091+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : "The UNIX-Hater's Handbook" (Simson Garfinkel, Danie Weise, and Steven Strassmann, IDG Books, 1994) is a great read, if a bit "over the top". It has an entire chapter devoted to C++, with sections like "C++ is to C as Lung Cancer is to Lung".
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## message-1451326599487160522
**2025-12-18T21:33:45.662+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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"Q: Where did the names "C" and "C++" come from?
A: They were grades." ---Jerry Leichter
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## message-1451378291670913044
**2025-12-19T00:59:10.039+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Tim Edwards - The thing I like about C++ people is they don't pretend they actually understand how it works, people like to /think/ they know what is happening with C code but are very frequently proven wrong.
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## message-1451597254635950140
**2025-12-19T15:29:14.878+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I don’t have any issues with Verilog and find it quite pleasant to work with. SystemVerilog is, of course, even better.
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## message-1451597431488647472
**2025-12-19T15:29:57.043+00:00 — asic destroyer (@logic_destroyer)**
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I started doing logic design in 2021.
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## message-1451599108761718986
**2025-12-19T15:36:36.936+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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VHDL doesn't have an official synthesisable subset either, which doesn't help.
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## message-1451686692850372804
**2025-12-19T21:24:38.61+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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- Author ID: `709384666909507634`
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It had one, but I'm not sure if anyone actually adhered to it https://standards.ieee.org/ieee/1076.6/3466/
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## message-1452720740154478738
**2025-12-22T17:53:34.699+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) (not-important-question): I'm trying to familiarize myself with how LibreLane/OpenRoad works. In `gf180mcu/flows/chip.py` I see a list of steps that are executed for the whole flow. Then in `gf180mcu/steps/*` all the actual step processing logic and config/parameters lives, correct?
So when you add a `OpenROAD.Floorplan` step to `chip.py`, the corresponding logic is defined in the `Floorplan(OpenROADStep)` class residing in `steps/openroad.py` Is that the gist of how it works?
context: was investigating adding an optional `rtl_macro_placer ` step to the flow (ala https://github.com/librelane/librelane/issues/537). Placing macros by hand was super tedious for me, and probably terrible layout performance 😅
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## message-1452722103496347721
**2025-12-22T17:58:59.745+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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yes, that's roughly correct
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## message-1452722159024603158
**2025-12-22T17:59:12.984+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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but you don't need to dump your plugin into there
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## message-1452722321210216569
**2025-12-22T17:59:51.652+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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for example, I wanted to play around with openroad's `rmp` step
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## message-1452722342789775421
**2025-12-22T17:59:56.797+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1452722342789775421`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Default`
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````text
```python
from decimal import Decimal
import os
from typing import Literal, Optional, Tuple
from librelane.steps.openroad import Step, TclStep, OpenROADStep, CompositeStep, State, Variable, ViewsUpdate, MetricsUpdate, dpl_variables
from librelane.common import get_script_dir, process_list_file
@Step.factory.register()
class RMP(OpenROADStep):
id = "OpenROAD.RMP"
name = "Restructure RMP"
version = "0.1.0"
config_vars = OpenROADStep.config_vars + dpl_variables + [
Variable(
"RMP_CORNER",
Optional[str],
description="IPVT corner to use during restructure. If unspecified, the value for `DEFAULT_CORNER` from the PDK will be used.",
default="max_ss_125C_4v50"
),
Variable(
"RMP_TARGET",
Literal["timing", "area"],
description="In area mode, the focus is area reduction, and timing may degrade. In delay mode, delay is likely reduced, but the area may increase",
default="area",
),
Variable(
"RMP_SLACK_THRESHOLD",
Optional[Decimal],
description="Specifies a (setup) timing slack value below which timing paths need to be analyzed for restructuring",
default=Decimal()
),
Variable(
"RMP_DEPTH_THRESHOLD",
Optional[int],
description="Specifies the path depth above which a timing path would be considered for restructuring",
),
]
def get_script_path(self):
return "~/gf180mcu-chess/restructure.tcl"
def run(self, state_in: State, **kwargs) -> Tuple[ViewsUpdate, MetricsUpdate]:
self.config = self.config.copy(DEFAULT_CORNER=self.config["RMP_CORNER"])
kwargs, env = self.extract_env(kwargs)
lib_list = self.toolbox.filter_views(
self.config, self.config["LIB"], timing_corner=self.config.get("RMP_CORNER")
)
excluded_cells: Set[str] = set(self.config["EXTRA_EXCLUDED_CELLS"] or [])
excluded_cells.update(
process_list_file(self.config["SYNTH_EXCLUDED_CELL_FILE"])
)
excluded_cells.update(process_list_file(self.config["PNR_EXCLUDED_CELL_FILE"]))
trimmed_lib = self.toolbox.remove_cells_from_lib(
frozenset([str(lib) for lib in lib_list]),
excluded_cells=frozenset(excluded_cells),
)
env["_RMP_LIB"] = TclStep.value_to_tcl(trimmed_lib)
env["_RMP_ABC_LOG"] = TclStep.value_to_tcl(
os.path.join(self.step_dir, "abc.log")
)
env["RMP_CORNER"] = TclStep.value_to_tcl(self.config.get("RMP_CORNER"))
return super().run(state_in, env=env, **kwargs)
@Step.factory.register()
class RMPPlus(CompositeStep):
id = "OpenROAD.RMPPlus"
Steps = [
RMP,
Step.factory.get("OpenROAD.GlobalPlacement"),
Step.factory.get("OpenROAD.DetailedPlacement"),
Step.factory.get("OpenROAD.GlobalRouting"),
]
```
````
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## message-1452722970849185974
**2025-12-22T18:02:26.538+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1452722970849185974`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
ooh interesting. where do "user plugins" live in the project template, and how do you specify where the step is inserted into the standard chip flow? Might be missing it from skimming that code but I don't think I see how it slots into the flow? Or is it run as a standalone step?
```
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## message-1452723173434065116
**2025-12-22T18:03:14.838+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1452723173434065116`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Reply`
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```text
anything which is in `PYTHONPATH`, and which has a filename which begins with `librelane_plugin_`
```
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## message-1452723210750525440
**2025-12-22T18:03:23.735+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1452723210750525440`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2025-12-22T18:03:25.549+00:00
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**Content**
```text
(e.g. the above file is called `librelane_plugin_rmp.py`)
```
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## message-1452723433967190087
**2025-12-22T18:04:16.954+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1452723433967190087`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1452723433967190087
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```text
> how do you specify where the step is inserted into the standard chip flow?
same as any other step in the flow; you add it in `librelane/config.yaml` under `substituting_steps`.
```
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## message-1452723649772785816
**2025-12-22T18:05:08.406+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1452723649772785816`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
oh! I didn't realize that's what the `substituting_steps` section was for (makes sense in retrospect). awesome, thank you!
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## message-1452724105668333710
**2025-12-22T18:06:57.1+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1452724105668333710`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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**Content**
```text
so just to check my understanding, for your `rmp` you would have nulled out the `GlobalPlacement`, `DetailedPlacement` and `GlobalRouting` , then inserted your `RMP` to run (and which includes the others)?
```
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## message-1452724811708108851
**2025-12-22T18:09:45.433+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1452724811708108851`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Reply`
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actually, the intent was to run those, and then `OpenROAD.RMPPlus` afterwards to try to use the information
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## message-1452724844968935576
**2025-12-22T18:09:53.363+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1452724844968935576`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Default`
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||but RMP sucks, so it didn't help any||
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## message-1452724874513485944
**2025-12-22T18:10:00.407+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1452724874513485944`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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hehe
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## message-1452724890871271639
**2025-12-22T18:10:04.307+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1452724890871271639`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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gotcha 🙂 👍
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## message-1452725400181412072
**2025-12-22T18:12:05.736+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1452725400181412072`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
- Type: `Default`
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```text
I know it's quite insulting to call things like this *toys*, but having passes that have little documentation, only work in very specific situations and have crippling flaws, mixed in alongside the Serious Stuff for Serious People makes it confusing to know what to use
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## message-1452725444884431099
**2025-12-22T18:12:16.394+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1452725444884431099`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
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*cough*
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## message-1452725449359753467
**2025-12-22T18:12:17.461+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1452725449359753467`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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anyway
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## message-1452726084243292252
**2025-12-22T18:14:48.829+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1452726084243292252`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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```text
state of documentation in general was a real hindrance to me personally (as a complete newbie). Even simple things, like is this parameter unitless? nanoseconds? percentage? who knows! 🙃
And even moreso for how parameters interact. optimizing was a lot of tweaking and seeing how it adjusted things
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## message-1452726175091785952
**2025-12-22T18:15:10.489+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1452726175091785952`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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(not project template that is, Openroad/librelane)
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## message-1452726459738226789
**2025-12-22T18:16:18.354+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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that said I recognize docs are hard and no fun for OSS contributors 🙂
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## message-1452726493125017620
**2025-12-22T18:16:26.314+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
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tbqh I have decided to do something very stupid in the hopes of improving gf180mcu performance :p
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## message-1452726599081529395
**2025-12-22T18:16:51.576+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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oh? any details to share or wait until the silicon is back?
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## message-1452726790341660672
**2025-12-22T18:17:37.176+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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you might be aware that tholin's been working on a new standard cell library
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## message-1452727005345878098
**2025-12-22T18:18:28.437+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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well, I've decided to make a new standard cell library too
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## message-1452727066129727732
**2025-12-22T18:18:42.929+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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except I'm going with domino logic
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## message-1452727627923066881
**2025-12-22T18:20:56.871+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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oooh neat! will have to do some reading on that, only passingly familiar
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## message-1452729579113414698
**2025-12-22T18:28:42.071+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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(had a quick refresher, very cool! can't wait to see how it turns out 🙂 )
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## message-1452749380850421760
**2025-12-22T19:47:23.173+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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so, admittedly, the tooling is not really set up for domino logic
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## message-1452749504016289802
**2025-12-22T19:47:52.538+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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but, I think there's a chicken-and-egg situation of "no open domino logic libraries, so why support domino logic in open tooling"
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## message-1452749549742592121
**2025-12-22T19:48:03.44+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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and so, a shitty domino logic library can pave the way for a good one :p
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## message-1453328316105887987
**2025-12-24T10:07:52.094+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Lofty / @BreakingTaps - The more people we get using the tools, the better things like documentation will hopefully get.
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## message-1453336311015674008
**2025-12-24T10:39:38.229+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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Unfortunately more people using the tools might not pay Precision to add important things to OpenROAD...
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## message-1453338933940326462
**2025-12-24T10:50:03.583+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The great thing is that it only takes a *few* people to pay Precision to add things.
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## message-1453339005381906529
**2025-12-24T10:50:20.616+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Most people don't pay to improve gcc or llvm
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## message-1453425887772151979
**2025-12-24T16:35:34.992+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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Who pays Precision currently? University grants? or maybe startups looking for extra support?
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## message-1454664061592797235
**2025-12-28T02:35:38.635+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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How did you enable ICG cells btw?
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## message-1454667534828699784
**2025-12-28T02:49:26.719+00:00 — nxmq99**
- Message ID: `1454667534828699784`
- Author ID: `228329196504481793`
- Nickname: nxmq99
- User name: nxmq99
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USE_LIGHTER will turn DFF Enables to ICGs
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## message-1454667908713283807
**2025-12-28T02:50:55.86+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1454667908713283807`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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```text
thanks!
```
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## message-1455388246769930381
**2025-12-30T02:33:17.836+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1455388246769930381`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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@BreakingTaps - A whole bunch of people pay them, for example Google pays them.
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## message-1455388316890300537
**2025-12-30T02:33:34.554+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1455388316890300537`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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@BreakingTaps - They have contracts with other groups that I'm not at liberty to share.
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## message-1455388500240236604
**2025-12-30T02:34:18.268+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1455388500240236604`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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@BreakingTaps - FWIW - Precision was *originally* paid by DARPA as part of the IDEA project.
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## message-1455388612601446412
**2025-12-30T02:34:45.057+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1455388612601446412`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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I believe there will also be an OpenROAD Foundation created at some point...
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## message-1455608312845570192
**2025-12-30T17:07:45.677+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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aha, interesting! didnt know they were part of that chronology
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## message-1455608357963563028
**2025-12-30T17:07:56.434+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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well i'm happy they are getting paid! doing good work it seems 🙂
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## message-1455709419605197066
**2025-12-30T23:49:31.407+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1455709419605197066`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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@BreakingTaps - If you know companies that want to pay them, I'm happy to set up an introduction! 🙂
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## message-1456751082641293567
**2026-01-02T20:48:43.228+00:00 — Ethan Mahintorabi (@ethanmahintorabi)**
- Message ID: `1456751082641293567`
- Author ID: `1437714127744401431`
- Nickname: Ethan Mahintorabi
- User name: ethanmahintorabi
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Also just fyi Yosys has a clockgate command https://yosyshq.readthedocs.io/projects/yosys/en/0.46/cmd/clockgate.html
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## message-1456751306126393591
**2026-01-02T20:49:36.511+00:00 — Ethan Mahintorabi (@ethanmahintorabi)**
- Message ID: `1456751306126393591`
- Author ID: `1437714127744401431`
- Nickname: Ethan Mahintorabi
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You need to run opt_dff before it to make sure all the flops are turned into enables and then you can use that command to convert some portion of them to clock gates
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## message-1457667378111578278
**2026-01-05T09:29:45.092+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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What is the metal slot thing about? What are metal slots?
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## message-1457668618656550975
**2026-01-05T09:34:40.861+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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You can't have any too large metal area.
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## message-1457668891474923531
**2026-01-05T09:35:45.906+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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If you have a very large metal without "holes" and so the "solution" is to add elongated holes in it that are called "slots".
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## message-1457668959263260752
**2026-01-05T09:36:02.068+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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That’s not gonna look good
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## message-1457669113760714904
**2026-01-05T09:36:38.903+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I am frustrated that so much is stacked against me putting art on my die and I’m tired of pretending I’m not
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## message-1457669206152708228
**2026-01-05T09:37:00.931+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1457669206152708228
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**Content**
```text
I just don’t understand. This exact macro was fine during GFMPW, but now it needs slots?
```
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## message-1457669281742454816
**2026-01-05T09:37:18.953+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1457669281742454816`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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```text
Well sorry to say but "art" isn't a primary target of the foundry 😅
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## message-1457670050566770804
**2026-01-05T09:40:22.255+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1457670050566770804`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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```text
One solution is to not have a solid metal zone, but instead have "pixels" with a small gap between them. Or horizontal/vertical lines like scan lines. Looking at the die without magnification with the naked eye, it will still look solid and uniform (compared to random small slots in an otherwise solid plane).
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## message-1457670568609583176
**2026-01-05T09:42:25.766+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1457670568609583176`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-01-05T09:42:33.386+00:00
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```text
Both the Metal5 and Metal4 layers are visible visually. If the slots in Metal5 and Metal4 were horizontally offset from each other, it would look a little better.
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## message-1457670905256874048
**2026-01-05T09:43:46.029+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1457670905256874048`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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**Content**
```text
We had the same in tt-ihp 0p1
```
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## message-1457671012333256817
**2026-01-05T09:44:11.558+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1457671012333256817`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1457671012333256817
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😬
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## message-1457673345276575950
**2026-01-05T09:53:27.775+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1457673345276575950`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
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Is that some modified GDS you got back from ws/gf btw ?
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## message-1457674270518939802
**2026-01-05T09:57:08.37+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1457674270518939802`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
- User name: tholin
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1457674270518939802
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Yes
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## message-1457674296972283996
**2026-01-05T09:57:14.677+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
- Message ID: `1457674296972283996`
- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
- Nickname: Tholin
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I downloaded it from the wafer.space platform
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## message-1457687118989099028
**2026-01-05T10:48:11.684+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@urish Did you check ? Do a xor with the submitted one ?
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## message-1457688002347270231
**2026-01-05T10:51:42.293+00:00 — urish**
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Nope, wasn't aware that it would be modified
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**2026-01-05T12:24:22.781+00:00 — urish**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1457791813552443557
**2026-01-05T17:44:12.813+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Only some projects had issues with metal slots. The project authors were contacted by email.
None of the Tiny Tapeout projects were affected.
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## message-1467818006997372949
**2026-02-02T09:44:43.608+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
- Message ID: `1467818006997372949`
- Author ID: `709384666909507634`
- Nickname: Egor Lukyanchenko
- User name: egorxe
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**Content**
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During the call I've mentioned my Caravel port to project template. In case it would be useful to someone for future designs, here it is: https://github.com/egorxe/gf180mcu-caravel-template
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## message-1471674281116041276
**2026-02-13T01:08:11.004+00:00 — Mark Anderson (@markemer)**
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Ah, Cheesing. We meet again.
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## message-1482918666042347791
**2026-03-16T01:49:21.281+00:00 — monkey on keyboard (@.monkeyonkeyboard.)**
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````text
heya, i noticed that magic and klayout have different DRC errors, and this is reproducible in the upstream template https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/actions/runs/22961298626/job/66652405640
```
3503
* DRC
Failed 𐄂
KLayout DRC errors: 0
Magic DRC errors: 126743
Check the report directories of KLayout.DRC and Magic.DRC.
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is this an issue? do we trust klayout or magic?
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## message-1482946676745437204
**2026-03-16T03:40:39.553+00:00 — nmz787**
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In my experience at "corporate semiconductor", different tools reporting differently can either be real runset issues, or just differences in how they report errors
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## message-1483013256057454798
**2026-03-16T08:05:13.298+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1483027724929990736
**2026-03-16T09:02:42.946+00:00 — nmz787**
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- Author ID: `376976238528692225`
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I'm seeing a lot of warnings like `Error while reading cell "METAL1_FILL" (byte position 144857526): Warning: cell "Metal1_fill_cell" placed on top of itself. Ignoring the extra one.` that I don't see in the github actions #55
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## message-1483338263057137816
**2026-03-17T05:36:41.005+00:00 — nmz787**
- Message ID: `1483338263057137816`
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```text
is there no layerprops/layermap in klayout format (usually lyp, I think)?
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## message-1483339542906798092
**2026-03-17T05:41:46.145+00:00 — nmz787**
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ah i got it
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## message-1483343882484711496
**2026-03-17T05:59:00.781+00:00 — nmz787**
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the seal ring is interesting, in that the vias are not drawn to be hermetic... I guess GF is swapping that part of the database after they tape-in
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## message-1483360184406511716
**2026-03-17T07:03:47.462+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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If you open the layout through librelane (`make librelane-klayout`), they layer map will already be loaded.
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## message-1483360328845623326
**2026-03-17T07:04:21.899+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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No, that's just the structure of the seal ring as specified by the [PDK documentation](https://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/physical_verification/design_manual/drm_12_2.html).
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## message-1483360476242116688
**2026-03-17T07:04:57.041+00:00 — nmz787**
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I am fairly positive the fab is swapping out the via layers under the sealring ID
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## message-1483360503198646272
**2026-03-17T07:05:03.468+00:00 — nmz787**
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they are not hermetic as-is
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## message-1483360546211364997
**2026-03-17T07:05:13.723+00:00 — nmz787**
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(Intel does this)
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## message-1483360771965587456
**2026-03-17T07:06:07.547+00:00 — nmz787**
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in that case, depending on the node, they do or do not show the customer the real design... due to process churn and violating DRC
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## message-1483361035221078207
**2026-03-17T07:07:10.312+00:00 — nmz787**
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unless they have some other very different way of ensuring hermeticity
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## message-1483361515888312382
**2026-03-17T07:09:04.912+00:00 — nmz787**
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has anyone delayered one of these?
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## message-1483361881778556980
**2026-03-17T07:10:32.147+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1483361881778556980`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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I can guarantee you, they don't - I saw the final mask data.
Why would they specify the exact placement of vias in the guard ring documentation **and** have custom DRC rules for them when they're going to replace it anyway?
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## message-1483362825266270440
**2026-03-17T07:14:17.092+00:00 — nmz787**
- Message ID: `1483362825266270440`
- Author ID: `376976238528692225`
- Nickname: nmz787
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Intel does the same
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## message-1483362914155888702
**2026-03-17T07:14:38.285+00:00 — nmz787**
- Message ID: `1483362914155888702`
- Author ID: `376976238528692225`
- Nickname: nmz787
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- Type: `Default`
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```text
but cross-section and teardown show 100% continuous perimeter rings on every level, metal and via
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## message-1483363475240648775
**2026-03-17T07:16:52.058+00:00 — nmz787**
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you saw post-OPC database?
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## message-1483363517825552456
**2026-03-17T07:17:02.211+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1483363517825552456`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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yes
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## message-1483363563098734744
**2026-03-17T07:17:13.005+00:00 — nmz787**
- Message ID: `1483363563098734744`
- Author ID: `376976238528692225`
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including synthesized layers, etc?
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## message-1483363781886087251
**2026-03-17T07:18:05.168+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1483363781886087251`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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The final mask data for the complete reticle, yes.
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## message-1483363963436531844
**2026-03-17T07:18:48.453+00:00 — nmz787**
- Message ID: `1483363963436531844`
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huh, I feel like I'm missing something now
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## message-1483365357707329708
**2026-03-17T07:24:20.873+00:00 — nmz787**
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```text
GPT says there's orders of magnitude less risk of "moisture-induced Vt drift" for such a large planar process, hmm
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## message-1483366714489176104
**2026-03-17T07:29:44.355+00:00 — nmz787**
- Message ID: `1483366714489176104`
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I suppose you have a point about PDK rules for vias... Intel doesn't have those, they supply X/Y/corner cells for customer to place
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## message-1483406176820527156
**2026-03-17T10:06:32.908+00:00 — Chips4Makers aka Staf Verhaegen (@chips4makers)**
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- Author ID: `728516105680846892`
- Nickname: Chips4Makers aka Staf Verhaegen
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- Edited: 2026-03-17T10:07:45.116+00:00
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Don't know where you get the hermeticity requirement for the vias in the seal ring from ?
AFAIK main purpose of seal ring is to protect the design from cracks and stress caused by wafer sawing. This can be done with normal sized vias in a ring.
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## message-1483488920061612184
**2026-03-17T15:35:20.434+00:00 — nmz787**
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I am on team that owns seal ring collateral design. Crack arrest is only once function for us
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## message-1483659304191000737
**2026-03-18T02:52:23.176+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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@nmz787 - This process is from the late 1990's / early 2000's -- I'm pretty things have changed a lot since then.
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## message-1486728700518203616
**2026-03-26T14:09:04.287+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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📢 Project Template Update!
Version 1.4.0 has been tagged, which includes an upgrade to LibreLane 3.0 🎉
Read the blog post to find out more about LibreLane 3.0: https://www.librelane.org/blog/2026-03-25-website_release_3-0
- Project Template [1.4.0](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.4.0)
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## message-1486728757812396204
**2026-03-26T14:09:17.947+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Pinned a message.
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## message-1487913391929430036
**2026-03-29T20:36:36.73+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1487913391929430036`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
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```text
kinda related, started to work on a dashboard to make my life easier in the next time I tape something out. right now it's mostly just spewing out the saved metrics, but I'd like it to be my centralized "build manager". Kick off new builds, "fork" existing builds with new settings, investigate performance and metrics, help manage ECO steps, comparisons, etc
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## message-1487938216299331794
**2026-03-29T22:15:15.321+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1487938216299331794`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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as an aside, it's kinda tragic how OpenRoad is _close_ to being a nice set of modular tools... but then they baked it all into one binary and duct tape it all together with tcl and odb monstrosity 🙁
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## message-1487940984460410980
**2026-03-29T22:26:15.302+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1487940984460410980`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
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The problem they had was spending so much time serialising and deserialising information between commands.
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## message-1487941544123039866
**2026-03-29T22:28:28.736+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1487941544123039866`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
- Nickname: Lofty
- User name: ravenslofty
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Because it *was* a "nice set of modular tools" and it was completely unusable.
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## message-1487942227182227526
**2026-03-29T22:31:11.59+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
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aha, interesting! i should do some more reading on the history/context so i'm less judgmental 🙂
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## message-1487942238515232839
**2026-03-29T22:31:14.292+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1487942238515232839`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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You can battle serdes cost with mmap'ing zero-copy serialization though
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## message-1487942444392906975
**2026-03-29T22:32:03.377+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1487942444392906975`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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(which isn't far from what odb is doing anyway from my understanding)
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## message-1487942821859164294
**2026-03-29T22:33:33.372+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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For the sake of a thought experiment, how would you imagine openroad should be split up?
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## message-1487943617543934023
**2026-03-29T22:36:43.078+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1487943617543934023`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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well in a nice world where everything behaves, all the modules (rsz, gpl, ifp, tap, etc) would be individual tools that LibreLane can bolt together at will. and if you wanted to say develop a new rsz you just drop in your own version that speaks to the shared odb backend.
But right now if you wanted to do that you have to rebuild the whole thing. and the whole orchestration between librelane and openroad seems very fraught. python -> env variables -> tcl -> openroad binary and back
That said, I recognize it's not a nice world and most things don't behave as we'd like 🙂 so just grumping
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## message-1487944792355635290
**2026-03-29T22:41:23.175+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
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Well, I would argue the most core part of openroad is actually sta, because everything needs to reference sta for timing calculations.
But there are a lot of rather intricate connections between the two; if you've ever looked at things like LL's `Odb.InsertECOBuffers`, it relies on being able to modify a pre-placed/routed netlist, insert netlist modifications, and then incrementally re-place and route only the new buffers, rather than ripping up the whole run and starting from scratch.
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## message-1487946188928847972
**2026-03-29T22:46:56.144+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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I haven't to be fair, will take a look! Good points about how intertwined things can be, and not so easy to "just" modularize everything
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## message-1487947185705193665
**2026-03-29T22:50:53.794+00:00 — Lofty (@ravenslofty)**
- Message ID: `1487947185705193665`
- Author ID: `1187141985530818611`
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I did ask donn about this; there's a native python API for OR, but it's something of a second-class citizen to the main Tcl API, so it has missing things.
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## message-1487952653999669339
**2026-03-29T23:12:37.537+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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My understanding is that multiple groups have been pushing for the Python API to be the first class citizen and the TCL API to be an afterthought - but I don't know the current state of that.
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## message-1487953031357006006
**2026-03-29T23:14:07.506+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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The great thing about open source is that you can help fix them unlike with the proprietary tooling where groups like Google who are paying hundreds of millions can barely get anything fixed.
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## message-1487954996627640430
**2026-03-29T23:21:56.063+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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hehe part of my grumping is because I've been trying a few experiments, and in the process slowly working "down" the stack discovering how things work and how tightly coupled everything is 🙂
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## message-1487973794529411175
**2026-03-30T00:36:37.832+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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huh interestig bit in OpenSTA. What's the story around Parallax SW? Their website is quite bare (http://www.parallaxsw.com/)
> However, OpenSTA is not supported by a public community of developers as many other open source projects are. The copyright and development are exclusive to Parallax Software.
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## message-1488072429531037726
**2026-03-30T07:08:34.249+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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Both TCL and python are swig generated bindings, it's not that hard to add things if something you need is missing, I had to go through it a couple of times. ( Although both times it was missing in both TCL and python, I think in general when adding things they try to add bindings for both at once to keep them in sync ).
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## message-1488073083444269116
**2026-03-30T07:11:10.154+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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And yeah, in MPW1 times, OpenRoad was different tools ... and it was a nightmare 😅 I much prefer the current version. AFAIU They need to pass quite a bit of info between tools to get good QoR, a lot of which doesn't "map" to standard format, so you ended up with needing the exact right combination of tools so they could talk properly to each other.
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## message-1488362100102533202
**2026-03-31T02:19:37.095+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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OpenSTA is used in a number of proprietary solutions. The full test suite for the tool is sadly closed source as well.
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## message-1488598282493231246
**2026-03-31T17:58:07.365+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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rude 😐
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## message-1488598362100994071
**2026-03-31T17:58:26.345+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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never heard of a closed test suite before. I guess maybe they have snippets / test cases from customers under NDA In there?
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## message-1488700027798032505
**2026-04-01T00:42:25.336+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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Yeah, there are a bunch of NDA stuff in it if I understand correctly.
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## message-1491138759574552786
**2026-04-07T18:13:04.301+00:00 — Brian Swetland (@dnaltews)**
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sqlite has something along those lines (but not *only* that)
> The Test Harness #3 (TH3) is a suite of test cases for SQLite that provide 100% branch test coverage (and 100% modified condition/decision coverage) for the core SQLite in an as-deployed configuration using only published and documented interfaces. TH3 is designed for use with embedded devices, and is compatible with DO-178B. Every release of the public-domain SQLite is tested using TH3, and so all users benefit from the TH3 tests. But the TH3 tests are not themselves public. Hardware or system manufactures who want to have TH3 test run on their systems can negotiate a service agreement to have the SQLite Developers run those tests.
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## message-1491476745604436109
**2026-04-08T16:36:06.45+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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wow, TIL!
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## message-1491896118169305222
**2026-04-09T20:22:32.661+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
- Message ID: `1491896118169305222`
- Author ID: `236632873782738944`
- Nickname: Jason Yang
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- Edited: 2026-04-09T20:33:53.164+00:00
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In the project template, is there `slot_defines.svh` for maximum, all edges pin configuration variant?
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## message-1491896238206091505
**2026-04-09T20:23:01.28+00:00 — Jason Yang (@.pogeg)**
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- Author ID: `236632873782738944`
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The slot_defines in the template seems to be defined for the default configuration, which makes sense
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## message-1492048817317740605
**2026-04-10T06:29:18.975+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, those are the default configurations for each slot.
You can try increasing the number of pads to see what fits. Make sure to update the [yaml config](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/tree/main/librelane/slots) for your slot accordingly.
However, you need to consider both the minimum pitch of the bondpads and the capabilities of your PCB supplier.
This depends on the bonding service you are targeting and where you manufacture your PCB.
```
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## message-1492363587631448266
**2026-04-11T03:20:06.066+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I did an exploration of what IOs options might be possible at https://mithro.github.io/gf180mcu-project-template/
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## message-1499416691644567613
**2026-04-30T14:26:37.103+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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- Author ID: `220639106915368960`
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@Leo Moser (mole99) Setting NUM_ANALOG_PADS to 0 doesn’t work in the project template. Might need to guard some lines with `if NUM_ANALOG_PADS != 0` (is that even valid syntax?)
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## message-1499416857214587161
**2026-04-30T14:27:16.578+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I think setting it to exactly 1 will also break since that generates `[0:0]`
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## message-1499416922318573639
**2026-04-30T14:27:32.1+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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Same for all of them, actually, but this one feels the most likely to get set to 0
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## message-1499416928937181194
**2026-04-30T14:27:33.678+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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`[0:0]` should be valid AFAIK.
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## message-1499417407200956628
**2026-04-30T14:29:27.705+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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I already reported this a whileago. This is because the generation code is not in an ifdef
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## message-1499417464339959944
**2026-04-30T14:29:41.328+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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I believe I had said I would open an issue and try to fix it...
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## message-1499417475450667049
**2026-04-30T14:29:43.977+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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And never did...
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## message-1499417483780554833
**2026-04-30T14:29:45.963+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Oops...
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## message-1499426694254297168
**2026-04-30T15:06:21.911+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yeah, please open an issue so that I remember to fix it (or anyone that comes before me).
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## message-1499426849875558550
**2026-04-30T15:06:59.014+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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I will open an issue and try to fix it myself, since I said I would I now feel a bit obligated lol
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## message-1499426854560469152
**2026-04-30T15:07:00.131+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Brb
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## message-1499427745925562459
**2026-04-30T15:10:32.649+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
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I suggest opening the issue, then even if you fix it or not you are half way there 🙂
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## message-1499428786721259720
**2026-04-30T15:14:40.794+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Yeah I already opened it
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## message-1499428872150843515
**2026-04-30T15:15:01.162+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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[#58](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/issues/58)
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## message-1499429380336910546
**2026-04-30T15:17:02.323+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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Seeing if a quick fix does it (it should but always gotta test xd)
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## message-1499434131946209350
**2026-04-30T15:35:55.195+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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- Author ID: `1447738536638943333`
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@Leo Moser (mole99) please test and lmk if [this pull request](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/pull/59) fixes it! :D
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## message-1499450318893748264
**2026-04-30T16:40:14.464+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Thank you, I will take a look soon.
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## message-1499451025206149210
**2026-04-30T16:43:02.862+00:00 — Dory (@dorythecat_v2)**
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No worries;
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## message-1501173863046709350
**2026-05-05T10:48:59.412+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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is https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/issues/38 still valid?
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## message-1501198567245877430
**2026-05-05T12:27:09.352+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Yes, this is still valid. I'm in the process of upstreaming the wafer.space changes to open_pdks. I'll take a look at the open issues then.
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## message-1503418680451792966
**2026-05-11T15:29:05.588+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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**Content**
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Hmm, _might_ have found a bug in the LVS deck for nw2ps diode? This is pretty outside my knowledge so not sure. I was trying to get an nw2ps photodiode to work in an analog circuit, but the diode kept failing to extract in LVS (remained anonymous pins) despite the geometry looking correct.
AI slop machines helped debug and it looks like the deck ties the n terminal to `nwell` which you can't connect to directly? Other diodes use `ntap` or `nwell_con`
I've switched to a dnwell diode and unblocked, but thought I'd mention here in case someone more knowledgeable than me might know.
```
# diode_nw2ps_03v3 diode
connect(diode_nw2ps_03v3_terminal_p, contact)
connect(diode_nw2ps_03v3_terminal_n, nwell)
```
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## message-1503449604736417806
**2026-05-11T17:31:58.512+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1509176448223674489
**2026-05-27T12:48:24.399+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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**Content**
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📢 It's been a while since the last update to the project template, but we worked on a lot of improvements in the background, which I'm happy to share with you now!
All of the wafer.space PDK changes have finally been upstreamed to [open_pdks](https://github.com/RTimothyEdwards/open_pdks), which allows us to sunset the wafer.space PDK fork.
This is important since we want one common target for community efforts and avoid unnecessary fragmentation. Many of the community-created IPs are already part of open_pdks (SCL, PAD, SRAM and eFuse libraries).
You can now use [Ciel](https://github.com/fossi-foundation/ciel), the PDK manager, to manage your PDKs. The project template will use Ciel as well.
In addition, I have enabled support for the community-created 3v3/5v I/Os, the 3v3 SRAMs and the 3v3 standard cell library in the template. Not all of the IPs have been tested yet, so support for them is experimental!
Give it a try in this pull request: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/pull/60
I plan to merge it soon and would appreciate any feedback beforehand.
```
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## message-1509176501181087835
**2026-05-27T12:48:37.025+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Another major change in this upcoming update is the new KLayout DRC runner by @Clyde Laforge.
Thanks to this, the KLayout DRC deck is now parallelized across rule decks while sharing some of the memory!
This makes it possible to build the 1x1 project template, including DRC checks, in 40 minutes on my machine (24 threads).
Currently, the number of workers is set to "max" in the LibreLane config. If RAM usage is too high, reduce the number of workers. For a best possible utilization choose: threads * workers = hardware threads.
Clyde also considerably improved the KLayout LVS setup, including the handling of substrate cuts. So if you are interested in doing an analog design with KLayout, now is the time to give this a try!
Please let me know if you have any questions regarding these changes.
If you plan to tape out on ws-run #2, you will need to use the updated template, since a few changes are required to pass the precheck. More on that once the update is live.
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## message-1509176586190983168
**2026-05-27T12:48:57.293+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1509177279438393545
**2026-05-27T12:51:42.576+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1509177279438393545`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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Huh ... I'd like to know about those change because in TT we don't use the template at all and I'm working right now to finalize the run 2 builder.
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## message-1509280353049776358
**2026-05-27T19:41:17.24+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1509280353049776358`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-05-27T19:41:43.778+00:00
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I've hit a problem upgrading to this version of the template. I've tracked it down to the new librelane version - if the only change I make is to switch nix to use the `leo/wafer-space` branch of librelane then I see the same issue.
The problem is undriven net errors, e.g.:
```
Warning: Wire tqvp_uart_tx.\next_fsm_state$func$/home/mdb36/wafer-space/ws02-tinyQV/src/user_peripherals/uart/uart_tx.v:116$2738.tx_en is used but has no driver.
Warning: Wire tqvp_uart_tx.\next_fsm_state$func$/home/mdb36/wafer-space/ws02-tinyQV/src/user_peripherals/uart/uart_tx.v:116$2738.$result [3] is used but has no driver.
```
This particular case is using a verilog function, and I tried changing the uart_tx module to remove the function (inlining it into the process that calls it), and that fixes that instance of the warnings. So I suspect it's a regression in yosys.
````
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## message-1509285266941153461
**2026-05-27T20:00:48.803+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1509285266941153461`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
- Type: `Default`
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ok, a minimal repro where I just wire up that uart module does hit the error. See https://github.com/MichaelBell/wafer-space-repro/commit/76eb8c6123fbd1c241e89a2f7ca8dd394ea7112b
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## message-1509289387740102661
**2026-05-27T20:17:11.278+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1509590982453104804
**2026-05-28T16:15:37.061+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1509590982453104804`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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3v3 SRAM macros are exciting! Has anyone had a chance to test those yet? I forget who taped them out for this run
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## message-1509596612312305996
**2026-05-28T16:37:59.324+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1509596612312305996`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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@Tim Edwards did, but he has a custom pad frame in his test chip AFAIU so he needs to get them wire bonded himself.
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## message-1509599804140032021
**2026-05-28T16:50:40.315+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1509599804140032021`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1509599804140032021
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@BreakingTaps : I did have one full-size chip that I called my "Hail Mary" project, as everything in it was experimental. But I also had a half-size test chip with the SRAM macros wired out to the pads for testing and characterization. That was not a custom frame other than that it was a half-size chip. So I'd appreciate anyone who pushes on @Tim 'mithro' Ansell to get those packaged and mailed out. The sooner that's done, the sooner I have an answer for you.
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## message-1509602909321564313
**2026-05-28T17:03:00.648+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1509602909321564313`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
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Is it 1xp5 or p5x1? I believe some 1xp5 CoB boards have been/are being made.
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## message-1509605161218084864
**2026-05-28T17:11:57.542+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1509605161218084864`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1509605161218084864
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@RebelMike : It's `1x0p5` (which I guess is good!).
```
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## message-1509667016259272747
**2026-05-28T21:17:44.933+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1509667016259272747`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
- Type: `Reply`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1509667016259272747
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Those boards are due to be delivered to the people who would bring it to the wirebonders on Jun 1
```
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## message-1509705787554005024
**2026-05-28T23:51:48.73+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1509705787554005024`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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If your design works with the 1x0p5 CoB that @RebelMike made, then I'll get them bonded at the same time and get them sent out.
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## message-1509819009351024671
**2026-05-29T07:21:42.91+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1509819009351024671`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
- Type: `Default`
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As long as the vdd and vss pads were in the same place as the project template it should work, and it should also be usable with the breadboard breakout.
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## message-1510072883446022194
**2026-05-30T00:10:31.211+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1510072883446022194`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
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@Tim Edwards - I believe you kept the VDD/VSS in the same places as the default on that one?
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## message-1510073437165453383
**2026-05-30T00:12:43.228+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1510073437165453383`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : Yes. It was only the "openframe" where I was following the original Caravel padframe for reasons of compatibility with my original Efabless Caravel-GF development board. The SRAM test chip just followed the template pad assignments.
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## message-1510318588391854251
**2026-05-30T16:26:51.835+00:00 — dmv (@.dmv)**
- Message ID: `1510318588391854251`
- Author ID: `356185479911047169`
- Nickname: dmv
- User name: .dmv
- Type: `Default`
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Hi everyone. First time commenter. I've tried to read all the discord first. I am working on a 1×1 slot design with a custom analog-heavy padring (18 'asig_5p0' pads total). LibreLane places everything without error, but I want to confirm the precheck won't flag the supply topology.
My north side has 9 analog pads with 2 DVDD and 3 DVSS power pads interspersed. My east side has 9 analog pads with 4 DVDD and 3 DVSS. Is there any precheck rule that requires a minimum number of DVDD/DVSS pads per side, or a minimum ratio to analog pad count? Or does the precheck only validate physical DRC (spacing, overlap, well rules)?
Right now, this is mostly a design/viability exercise (can I get this idea to simulate, working in a space I'm not very familiar with) so I'm probably going to have more questions about the practical bits. This is the first inquiry where just reading everyone else's progress wasn't enough to resolve. Thank you in advance.
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## message-1510320793622413433
**2026-05-30T16:35:37.603+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1510320793622413433`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
- User name: namibj
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You don't need that many supply pads; note that if you use a padframe that (beyond customizing what pad type a non-supply-pad is populated with) deviates from the reference, the plain standard COB offer doesn't work.
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## message-1510320805110616196
**2026-05-30T16:35:40.342+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1510320805110616196`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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@dmv Note if you change the power pad position, you will have to handle bonding yourself.
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## message-1510323095003467978
**2026-05-30T16:44:46.295+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1510323095003467978`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
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When building my design, which is getting fairly full but from the render seems like there's a bit more space, the metrics now say ```
"design__instance__utilization": 1.06565,
"design__instance__utilization__stdcell": 1.1131,
```
I had thought that both of these would max out at 1. What do these actually measure? Might going above 1 related to using Tholin's 3v3 library, or is it expected anyway?
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## message-1510323665475211466
**2026-05-30T16:47:02.306+00:00 — namibj**
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- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
- Nickname: namibj
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Do you have a density target set? I'd figure that it's reported relative to that?
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## message-1510325035074715648
**2026-05-30T16:52:28.844+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
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Ah, possibly. My density target is 60%. Global placement is saying utilization 54.8%, but obviously once buffers, clock tree, etc have gone in utilization to be somewhat higher.
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## message-1511722026648338514
**2026-06-03T13:23:37.59+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1511722026648338514`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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**Content**
```text
@everyone 📢 The project template update is now live!
- Project Template [1.5.0](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.5.0)
- Switch to [open_pdks](https://github.com/RTimothyEdwards/open_pdks) for the PDK, managed by [Ciel](https://github.com/fossi-foundation/ciel). This enables a number of new community IPs.
- Add SCL, PAD and SRAM environment variables to the flow. This allows building a chip with 3.3V standard cells, 3.3V SRAMs, and 3.3V/5V compatible I/Os, for example.
- Enable the new DRC runner. The KLayout DRC deck is now parallelized across rule decks while sharing some of the memory.
For a best possible utilization choose: threads * workers = hardware threads. If RAM usage is too high, reduce the number of workers.
- Rename the QR code ID, add readable shuttle and project IDs, add a marker. Only required if CoB option is selected.
- Precheck [1.6.0](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/releases/tag/1.6.0)
- Switch to [open_pdks](https://github.com/RTimothyEdwards/open_pdks) for the PDK, managed by [Ciel](https://github.com/fossi-foundation/ciel).
- Add the `--cob` flag.
- Enable the new DRC runner.
I've seen a significant reduction in runtime running the precheck on my machine with 24 cores: 0p5x0p5 slot: 0:06:36, and 1x1 slot: 0:40:14.
Please note that the platform still needs to be updated to benefit of the new DRC runner and to make the CoB packaging option selectable.
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## message-1511722060861145180
**2026-06-03T13:23:45.747+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Pinned a message.
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## message-1511722104717049898
**2026-06-03T13:23:56.203+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1511722104717049898`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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```text
If you are planning to tape out on wafer.space GF180MCU Run 2, please ensure your project is updated accordingly.
There will be further updates before the tapeout. Though they won't be as significant as this one, so they can be easily applied to your existing projects.
```
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## message-1512279630692880495
**2026-06-05T02:19:20.754+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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just checking, is the 3.3v library there @Tholin's?
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## message-1512324770312622100
**2026-06-05T05:18:42.878+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1512324770312622100`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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Correct, it's the gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3 SCL.
```
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## message-1512408274991841353
**2026-06-05T10:50:31.945+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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- Author ID: `1498420485531111548`
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@Leo Moser (mole99) just checking, is it required to move to 1.5.0 for the run 2 tapeout?
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## message-1512505495628288161
**2026-06-05T17:16:51.151+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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If you use the CoB packaging option, then yes. You need the new ID and marker macros in the correct positions in order to pass precheck.
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## message-1512584220915138770
**2026-06-05T22:29:40.722+00:00 — Rob Taylor (@robtaylor_52029)**
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thanks!
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## message-1512737799177240666
**2026-06-06T08:39:56.633+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
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Any idea why I might be getting this error when running the KLayout.XOR step locally (but not on GitHub - it's running fine there!): ```
ERROR: In /nix/store/x0ckywq495x29y1q4bldarafacwzzsxj-python3-3.13.9-env/lib/python3.13/site-packages/librelane/scripts/klayout/xor.drc: 'source': Stream has unknown format: /home/mdb36/wafer-space/ws02-tinyQV/librelane/runs/RUN_2026-06-06_09-45-39/56-magic-streamout/chip_top.magic.gds in Layout::read
```
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## message-1512739634692489366
**2026-06-06T08:47:14.254+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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**Content**
```text
Only thing I can think of is the nix install is old. But it's a bit weird it's otherwise working. Can I upgrade nix by rerunning the install script from https://librelane.readthedocs.io/en/stable/installation/nix_installation/installation_linux.html ?
```
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## message-1512840413877239878
**2026-06-06T15:27:41.884+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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- User name: mole99
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**Content**
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📢 Minor project template update!
- Project Template [1.5.1](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.5.1)
- Update PDK to `9233c192`.
- Automatically fetch new PDK if hash has changed.
```
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## message-1512840461348503723
**2026-06-06T15:27:53.202+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1513112664635867288
**2026-06-07T09:29:31.523+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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## message-1513546884726259844
**2026-06-08T14:14:57.66+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1513546884726259844`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
- Pinned: yes
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1513546884726259844
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📢 Bugfix project template update!
- Project Template [1.5.2](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.5.2)
- Update PDK to `f6bfbd4d`
- Fix port attributes on the `gf180mcu_ocd_io__in_s` cell, which previously caused OpenROAD to skip CTS (clock tree synthesis)! Thanks @RebelMike for reporting this issue!
- Update LibreLane dev to latest
- Magic scripts use `locking disable`, which prevents the maximum open file descriptor limit from being reached.
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## message-1513546939944145138
**2026-06-08T14:15:10.825+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1514747651210477638
**2026-06-11T21:46:22.699+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1514747651210477638`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
- Type: `Default`
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1514747651210477638
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**Content**
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Hmm, cautionary note. May be specific to my setup and something I goofed up.
Discovered my project template was on an old verison of the PDK despite being on latest git commit and running `make clone-pdk`. Turns out the newer PDK version was downloaded but the symlink was still pointing at the old version. No idea how that happened, I might have interrupted it mid-updating or something.
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## message-1514765947133755454
**2026-06-11T22:59:04.787+00:00 — namibj**
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I forgot to put the pdk root env into scope before I updated, then wondered 2 days later why something was buggy that I had thought to have been fixed, just to realize what I had done... 😄
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## message-1515250939769127038
**2026-06-13T07:06:16.042+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1515250939769127038`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
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@Leo Moser (mole99) We need to use librelane dev branch for stuff to work correctly right ?
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## message-1515444291995045888
**2026-06-13T19:54:34.805+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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It would also be nice if the action on the repo could save the resuls ... I'd like an example GDS as "reference" since I'm using a different build process and trying to match it without having to build it myself.
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## message-1515454724214624347
**2026-06-13T20:36:02.04+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1515454724214624347`
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Yes, the project template currently uses LibreLane dev due to some required updates.
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## message-1515455574161096806
**2026-06-13T20:39:24.683+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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The action in the project template actually builds all of the different slot sizes and uploads their GDS. But I think you can't access them because you're not the owner of the repository.
You can fork the repository and should then be able to download the final GDS.
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## message-1515455958766325992
**2026-06-13T20:40:56.38+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Mmm, is that a settings ? I mean on TT's action anyone can download the artefacts.
```
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## message-1515456808871788736
**2026-06-13T20:44:19.061+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1515456808871788736`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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Maybe. At first, I thought that everyone could download them, but Tim E. let me know that he can't access them.
I'll take a look at the settings tomorrow.
```
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## message-1515613227831001209
**2026-06-14T07:05:52.247+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1515613227831001209`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
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@Leo Moser (mole99) Oh my bad, I can download the artefact ...
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## message-1515631183591899197
**2026-06-14T08:17:13.234+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1515631183591899197`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Reply`
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Good to know! I think you at least need to be logged in to GitHub.
```
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## message-1515815789603590256
**2026-06-14T20:30:46.737+00:00 — Ian Hanschen (@furanfuranfuran)**
- Message ID: `1515815789603590256`
- Author ID: `324044845632978955`
- Nickname: Ian Hanschen
- User name: furanfuranfuran
- Type: `Default`
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hi, I hit the following w/make librelane on the latest template after a successful make clone-pdk:
Writing src/generated_defines.svh
SRAM_DEFINE=SRAM_gf180mcu_fd_ip_sram librelane librelane/slots/slot_1x1.yaml librelane/macros/macros_5v.yaml librelane/config.yaml --pdk gf180mcuD --pdk-root /opt/chip/gf180mcu-project-template/gf180mcu --manual-pdk --scl gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0 --pad gf180mcu_fd_io --save-views-to /opt/chip/gf180mcu-project-template/final
[14:29:35] ERROR Errors have occurred while loading the __main__.py:160
design configuration file.
[14:29:35] ERROR Unknown key __main__.py:162
'PDN_CORE_RING_CONNECT_TO_PAD_LAYERS'
provided.
[14:29:35] ERROR LibreLane will now quit. Please check your __main__.py:164
configuration.
make: *** [Makefile:94: librelane] Error 1
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## message-1515829762512257195
**2026-06-14T21:26:18.138+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1515829762512257195`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2026-06-14T21:26:26.51+00:00
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That is surprising, it suggests you have the wrong version of LibreLane. Have you installed locally rather than running through nix?
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## message-1515830481160245378
**2026-06-14T21:29:09.477+00:00 — Ian Hanschen (@furanfuranfuran)**
- Message ID: `1515830481160245378`
- Author ID: `324044845632978955`
- Nickname: Ian Hanschen
- User name: furanfuranfuran
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**Content**
```text
running through nix - I'm still digging, might have an old install
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## message-1515831918485180537
**2026-06-14T21:34:52.162+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1515831918485180537`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
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`librelane --version` should say `LibreLane v3.1.0.dev1`
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## message-1515832616513699961
**2026-06-14T21:37:38.585+00:00 — Ian Hanschen (@furanfuranfuran)**
- Message ID: `1515832616513699961`
- Author ID: `324044845632978955`
- Nickname: Ian Hanschen
- User name: furanfuranfuran
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[nix-shell:~]$ librelane --version
LibreLane v3.0.4
[nix-shell:~]$ which librelane
/nix/store/qjkqjsc147pnkgdr6lm288f5p757bliv-devshell-dir/bin/librelane
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## message-1515833881041834035
**2026-06-14T21:42:40.072+00:00 — Ian Hanschen (@furanfuranfuran)**
- Message ID: `1515833881041834035`
- Author ID: `324044845632978955`
- Nickname: Ian Hanschen
- User name: furanfuranfuran
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it's my nix install, 1 sec
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## message-1515834520471863507
**2026-06-14T21:45:12.524+00:00 — Ian Hanschen (@furanfuranfuran)**
- Message ID: `1515834520471863507`
- Author ID: `324044845632978955`
- Nickname: Ian Hanschen
- User name: furanfuranfuran
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good to go now - I think I had a newer nix installed, it was erroring updating the ciel package on startup
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## message-1515836292787605525
**2026-06-14T21:52:15.077+00:00 — Ian Hanschen (@furanfuranfuran)**
- Message ID: `1515836292787605525`
- Author ID: `324044845632978955`
- Nickname: Ian Hanschen
- User name: furanfuranfuran
- Type: `Default`
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the error I had before was some sort of issue with the way nixpkgs is used vs the nix I had installed, so I removed/reinstalled using the curl command from the website. here's the error, if it's interesting:
… while calling the 'import' builtin
at «string»:1:2:
1| (import {}).bashInteractive
| ^
… while realising the context of a path
… while calling the 'findFile' builtin
at «string»:1:9:
1| (import {}).bashInteractive
| ^
error: file 'nixpkgs' was not found in the Nix search path (add it using $NIX_PATH or -I)
uses bash from your environment
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## message-1515836414372085872
**2026-06-14T21:52:44.065+00:00 — Ian Hanschen (@furanfuranfuran)**
- Message ID: `1515836414372085872`
- Author ID: `324044845632978955`
- Nickname: Ian Hanschen
- User name: furanfuranfuran
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template build is at step 63 so I think I'm set up, thanks
```
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## message-1515987239975518340
**2026-06-15T07:52:03.691+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1515987239975518340`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
- Type: `Default`
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@Ian Hanschen Nice to see you here!
I'm glad to hear that you managed to set up the project template.
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## message-1516040175241789481
**2026-06-15T11:22:24.442+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) `f741b96babd3517a01e6cc9efc3ab1eef8cbacee` from the "old" wafer space PDK doesn't seem to have been applied upstream.
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## message-1516040210629132369
**2026-06-15T11:22:32.879+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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`Change ANTENNAGATEPLUSDIFF multiplier from 2 to 15 in gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0 techlefs`
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## message-1516040295240958053
**2026-06-15T11:22:53.052+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Kind of a useful one 😅
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## message-1516040842752692255
**2026-06-15T11:25:03.589+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1516040842752692255`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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@tnt Thank you! It looks like that one slipped through. I will update the PDK shortly. However, open_pdks won't be synced until tomorrow.
```
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## message-1516049344480936006
**2026-06-15T11:58:50.559+00:00 — Egor Lukyanchenko (@egorxe)**
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@Tim Edwards Is there any know time frame for your 3.3V OCD SRAM tests? I suspect a lot of people are eagerly awaiting your results 😅 .
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## message-1516050096024850483
**2026-06-15T12:01:49.741+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Wow, can't believe it's been 2 weeks or more since I wrote that. Unfortunately his boards are currently still in China. I am hoping they will ship in the coming day(s)
Then there's a few days for it to get to him.
Yeah, we're all eager 😂 but want to keep a bit of pressure off Tim
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## message-1516051333164302429
**2026-06-15T12:06:44.698+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1516051333164302429`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
- Nickname: tnt
- User name: 246tnt
- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-06-15T12:07:09.694+00:00
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But those are just the COB ? Are you shipping some breakout to 100mil headers too ? Because else, he will need to design some kind of host board and getting any kind of results before the submission deadline sounds pretty tight.
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## message-1516054137920557287
**2026-06-15T12:17:53.404+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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Good point.
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## message-1516088059425198289
**2026-06-15T14:32:40.921+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Started a thread.
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## message-1516115873448988792
**2026-06-15T16:23:12.301+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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@tnt : I was thinking the same thing the other day. Have any host board designs been made yet that are compatible with the COBs? I could probably make do with a simple board that just routes the connector pins to a standard header.
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## message-1516118547703529553
**2026-06-15T16:33:49.893+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1516118547703529553`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
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I have some of these https://codeberg.org/rebelmike/ws-breakout, but they aren't tested yet as my COBs should arrive at roughly the same time as yours. Since I made that the breakouts in the WS repo have been updated: https://github.com/wafer-space/chip-on-board-wire-bonded-pcbs/tree/main/run-1/motherboards but I don't know if anyone has made any of those yet. I think various people have tested with the previous version of that (which as far as I'm aware was fine except the pin 1 marker was the wrong side)
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## message-1516120547476373668
**2026-06-15T16:41:46.676+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1516120547476373668`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
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The 1x0p5 COB is pinout compatible with the 1x1 COB in terms of power and ground. The signal pads are mostly in the same order too, but for (probably bad) reasons I reversed the order of pads 67-70. You can view the schematic here (pin/pad names are those on the default project template): https://kicanvas.org/?repo=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fwafer-space%2Fchip-on-board-wire-bonded-pcbs%2Ftree%2Fmain%2Frun-1%2F1x0p5-cob
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## message-1516130611319017502
**2026-06-15T17:21:46.083+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1516130611319017502`
- Author ID: `384390069412429834`
- Nickname: BreakingTaps
- User name: polyfractal
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I've used the long breakoutboards from that repo, seem to be working for the minimal tests I've tried.
I have some of the PCBs unpopulated and some of the mezzanine connectors, happy to fedex you one if you want @Tim Edwards . Will have to do the soldering yourself since my soldering skills are terrible and it took me many tries to get one working 😅
```
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## message-1516130898901205253
**2026-06-15T17:22:54.648+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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(oh, mine are the pre-updated version. I think it was just the silkscreen that changed)
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## message-1516131271011733556
**2026-06-15T17:24:23.366+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@BreakingTaps : Sure, I'll take you up on that offer. I assume that unless I'm _really_ bad at soldering, I should only need one board. I can get the connector myself as long as somebody can tell me what the part number is from Digi-Key or Mouser.
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## message-1516131656442843257
**2026-06-15T17:25:55.26+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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It's 0.4mm pitch 🙂
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## message-1516132035301871748
**2026-06-15T17:27:25.587+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Yeah, I got JLC to solder mine. Though having seen those photos of the CoB boards I might go double check they actually managed that..
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## message-1516132696814911761
**2026-06-15T17:30:03.304+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
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i definitely regret thinking I could do it by hand 🫣
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## message-1516132880626225422
**2026-06-15T17:30:47.128+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
- Message ID: `1516132880626225422`
- Author ID: `596068704471482370`
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I believe mouser 798-DF40C2070DS04V51 is compatible.
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## message-1516136726131638383
**2026-06-15T17:46:03.968+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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Thanks for the heads-up on the pin pitch. That indeed will be difficult to hand solder.
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## message-1516137005841514696
**2026-06-15T17:47:10.656+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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@RebelMike : Will JLC assemble from parts that you send to them?
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## message-1516138966343225385
**2026-06-15T17:54:58.076+00:00 — namibj**
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yes, it's expensive
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## message-1516139108253044968
**2026-06-15T17:55:31.91+00:00 — namibj**
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like 70$ for each 50qty, each batch seems to be billed in full iirc
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## message-1516139238419333272
**2026-06-15T17:56:02.944+00:00 — namibj**
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(I've done so)
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## message-1516139548323610784
**2026-06-15T17:57:16.831+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But JLC can also get the part from LCSC directly.
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## message-1516139587389493343
**2026-06-15T17:57:26.145+00:00 — namibj**
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yes
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## message-1516139663688077476
**2026-06-15T17:57:44.336+00:00 — namibj**
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if mouser or digikey have them it's different fee structure if you use global sourcing
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## message-1516143927907061890
**2026-06-15T18:14:41.005+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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At least when I ordered LCSC had the part in stock so it was easy to get them to use it. 5 PCBs and assembly was ~$25 + shipping and duties
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## message-1516145112940417224
**2026-06-15T18:19:23.539+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1516145112940417224
- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%F0%9F%8F%97%EF%B8%8F%20-%20Designing/project-template/2026-06/2026-06.json
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Yeah, I just sent my [PCB](https://github.com/mole99/waferspace-main-pcb) for fabrication via JLCPCB, including assembly with parts from LCSC.
```
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## message-1516300551170686976
**2026-06-16T04:37:02.901+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
- Message ID: `1516300551170686976`
- Author ID: `756011607603019777`
- Nickname: Andrew Wingate
- User name: anfroholic
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- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1516300551170686976
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I should have some around as well I can send if you like.
I consider myself a touch above average with soldering. I still mucked a few of them before I got a good one.
0.4mm is quite tiny.
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## message-1516475814227480786
**2026-06-16T16:13:28.87+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1516475814227480786`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
- Nickname: Tim Edwards
- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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Yeah, I'm decently good at soldering but I struggle with 0.5mm pitch and so I think I'll leave 0.4mm pitch to the experts.
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## message-1516476882449596507
**2026-06-16T16:17:43.554+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
- Message ID: `1516476882449596507`
- Author ID: `1365118310701600900`
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- User name: rtimothyedwards_19428
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : You need to be selling these boards on the Wafer.Space site!
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## message-1516495476428640286
**2026-06-16T17:31:36.704+00:00 — BreakingTaps (@polyfractal)**
- Message ID: `1516495476428640286`
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++ i would definitely have bought them (plus some margin for profit/sustainability) over doing it myself
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## message-1516683616204099734
**2026-06-17T05:59:12.722+00:00 — Tim 'mithro' Ansell (@mithro_)**
- Message ID: `1516683616204099734`
- Author ID: `169786952432746498`
- Nickname: Tim 'mithro' Ansell
- User name: mithro_
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If someone want to design a "support dev kit" for wafer space chips, I would happily figure out how to get them manufactured and such.
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## message-1517130928248586290
**2026-06-18T11:36:40.224+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1517130928248586290`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
- Nickname: Leo Moser (mole99)
- User name: mole99
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- Archive source: https://discord.wafer.space/wafer-space/%F0%9F%93%90%20-%20Designing/project-template/2026-06/2026-06.json
**Content**
```text
@everyone 📢 Important update!
A regression was introduced to the LibreLane padring generation script, resulting in the north and south bond pads being off-center by 0.5 µm. This project template update resolves this issue. Additionally, a step has been added to the precheck that compares the pad layer with a golden mask to ensure that the pads match the default CoB padring for the given slot size.
- Project Template [1.5.3](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.5.3)
- Update LibreLane dev to latest
- Fix an issue in the padring script, ensuring the pads are correctly aligned again.
- Update PDK to `019cf7a3`
- Port a missing fix regarding antenna insertion for the foundry standard cells from the wafer.space PDK fork. Thanks, @tnt!
- Precheck [1.7.0](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/releases/tag/1.7.0)
- Add a pad mask check to verify that the layout is compatible with the CoB packaging option. Enabled via the `--cob` flag.
- Render the layout.
Please update your designs accordingly. The pad mask check will soon be activated on the submission platform. Until then, you can run the precheck locally with the `--cob` option to ensure a compatible layout.
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## message-1517130959164674078
**2026-06-18T11:36:47.595+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Pinned a message.
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## message-1517151279594340447
**2026-06-18T12:57:32.363+00:00 — Tim Edwards (@rtimothyedwards_19428)**
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@Tim 'mithro' Ansell : The "support kit" in question is Mike's board at https://codeberg.org/rebelmike/ws-breakout. It is a trivially simple breakout board---takes the mezzanine connector with absurdly small pin pitch out to a pair of 0.1" row headers. The sole components are the mezzanine connector and the headers. Getting the mezzanine connector soldered down professionally on short notice locally is going to cost me in the range of $200. So I would definitely like to see this cheaply assembled and sold to me on the Wafer.Space online store. I would pay a considerable markup to avoid a one-off, $200 job.
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## message-1517162067541495830
**2026-06-18T13:40:24.41+00:00 — gojimmypi**
- Message ID: `1517162067541495830`
- Author ID: `627654745510641667`
- Nickname: gojimmypi
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Does everyone on the gf180 track need to resubmit? Any local changes needed to GH actions?
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## message-1517162583797268683
**2026-06-18T13:42:27.495+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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What do you mean by "gf180 track"?
As for the changes to the project template, you need to update `flake.lock` and the PDK hash: https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/commit/a4bca2f870986b4232f47378168334cb30b1a0da
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## message-1517164595003789423
**2026-06-18T13:50:27.004+00:00 — gojimmypi**
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If I'm on the gf26a shuttle due Monday, do I need to rebuild & resubmit?
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## message-1517165034399338627
**2026-06-18T13:52:11.764+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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If you have a question about the Tiny Tapeout shuttle, you should ask on the Tiny Tapeout Discord server.
But no, this only affects the padring, which the Tiny Tapeout team has already fixed.
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## message-1517172407180198089
**2026-06-18T14:21:29.572+00:00 — jalcim (@tisse2274)**
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thanks for information
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## message-1519012555975299264
**2026-06-23T16:13:35.233+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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How can I launch magic in the template and have it load the rcfile correctly? Even when I point it to the .magicrc file for the PDK with `-rcfile` and an absolute path, it claims it can’t find the file.
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## message-1519012653497061438
**2026-06-23T16:13:58.484+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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I am still relying on iic-osic-tools just for magic
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## message-1519013352880209970
**2026-06-23T16:16:45.23+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Could you please share the command that you are using?
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## message-1519013923951607939
**2026-06-23T16:19:01.384+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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`magic -rcfile $(pwd)/gf180mcu/gf180mcuD/libs.tech/magic/gf180mcuD.magicrc`
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## message-1519014280878489640
**2026-06-23T16:20:26.482+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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The `$(pwd)` is illustrative, I am not going to paste the whole absolute path of my working directory in there, but imagine I did
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## message-1519014340802510989
**2026-06-23T16:20:40.769+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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A relative path also doesn’t work
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## message-1519014516955021393
**2026-06-23T16:21:22.767+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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```Could not find file '/home/tholin/work/open_pdks/open_pdks/root/ciel/gf180mcu/build/019cf7a3e0de79bb0e4b6213758882d283c65816/gf180mcuD/libs.tech/magic/gf180mcuD.tech' in any of these directories:
. $CAD_ROOT/magic/sys $CAD_ROOT/magic/sys/current```
it goes in response, which is not the path I entered, and it also doesn’t exist
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## message-1519014683183419402
**2026-06-23T16:22:02.399+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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There is no "work" directory in my home dir
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## message-1519074086741999767
**2026-06-23T20:18:05.311+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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@Leo Moser (mole99) I've integrated the latest template update and I'm hitting a DRC error in the padring. The problem occurs if a bidir pad is first on the north side on a quarter size slot. I've just pushed up a branch with a minimal change to the template that repros the problem: https://github.com/MichaelBell/ws02-tinyQV/tree/template
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## message-1519077261955829780
**2026-06-23T20:30:42.341+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Thanks Mike, that issue also happened in a full slot. It should be fixed with the PDK update tomorrow.
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## message-1519077702903009442
**2026-06-23T20:32:27.471+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
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Ah that's good to hear it is fixed! I'll get that integrated tomorrow evening
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## message-1519353174622736394
**2026-06-24T14:47:05.047+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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📢 PDK update!
This is a minor update that is only necessary if you encountered DRC violations in your padring when using the 3.3V/5V I/Os.
- Project Template [1.5.5](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.5.5)
- Update PDK to `140b0494`
- Adjust the layout of `bi_24t` of the `gf180mcu_ocd_io` library to prevent DRC violations in certain cases.
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## message-1519353212405026816
**2026-06-24T14:47:14.055+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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Pinned a message.
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## message-1521527155178340382
**2026-06-30T14:45:42.402+00:00 — bunnie (@bunnievorpal)**
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stupid question - what's the procedure to submit GDS to the upcoming run? probably there's a link in some obvious place and i've just missed it.
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**2026-06-30T14:47:08.288+00:00 — Andrew Wingate (@anfroholic)**
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https://platform.wafer.space/
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## message-1521590629468082237
**2026-06-30T18:57:55.852+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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Is there a template for writing hierarchical designs and hardened macros? I assume I can just copy the normal one and remove some IO restrictions and padding? Is there something else one should consider?
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## message-1521601595509440612
**2026-06-30T19:41:30.36+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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How you handle PDN for macros is usually a pain point ... different options with different trade-offs and often incompatible between then so you got to pick one.
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## message-1521634849625079910
**2026-06-30T21:53:38.759+00:00 — bailey (@bailey8889)**
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Does this help? https://platform.chipfoundry.io/knowledge-base/article/hardening-options
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## message-1521791559832567818
**2026-07-01T08:16:21.384+00:00 — Chips4Makers aka Staf Verhaegen (@chips4makers)**
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Also having CTS done separately on different blocks is dangerous as the clock tree depth may be different between blocks causing unexpected hold/setup violations for signals going between different blocks.
If I'm not mistaken, LibreLane supports P&R on subblocks separately but still CTS on top block.
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## message-1521792356339290152
**2026-07-01T08:19:31.286+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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I know that CTS recently(-ish) got the ability to place macro at different depth of the CTS depending on the min/max clock delay specified in the liberty file of the macros/sub-blocks. ( https://github.com/The-OpenROAD-Project/OpenROAD/issues/3759 )
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## message-1521794674665459752
**2026-07-01T08:28:44.018+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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Cool, thanks for all the tips. I guess I will have a play around with this and see what I come up with. 🙂
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## message-1521796270635880492
**2026-07-01T08:35:04.527+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But TBH I'm not sure how common it is to harden various block independently. That prevents optimization at boundary and also cost area since macro are rectangular and blocks often harden more into blob shapes.
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## message-1521796509765730345
**2026-07-01T08:36:01.54+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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The only case where I see blocks hardened as macro are highly optimized ones where there was significant manual/scripted/layout/... work to make it a separate block. Something like a SRAM / memory or something like that.
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## message-1521796581035212930
**2026-07-01T08:36:18.532+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Or of course analog-ish block like say a PLL.
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## message-1521796740209184788
**2026-07-01T08:36:56.482+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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But I wouldn't say ... harden a SPI controller independently ... that'd be a lot of headache for virtually no benefits.
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## message-1521796837143740568
**2026-07-01T08:37:19.593+00:00 — tnt (@246tnt)**
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Just my 2 cts ...
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## message-1521803184941830294
**2026-07-01T09:02:33.026+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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Thanks, appreciate the input. I'm not super familiar with this field and trying to learn. In my case, I'm studying SIMD lanes and thought to make the separate arithmetic units (say 32 of them) as I thought this is how 'real' designs are made. I had some severe congestion issues when trying to synth my top module
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## message-1521950406056480910
**2026-07-01T18:47:33.275+00:00 — namibj**
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I'd consider looking into the placement/partitioning tuning options in librelane for how to possibly selectively nudge the density around congested blocks to be lower and/or nudge SIMD lanes to be substantially less-overlapping.
If your SIMD instructions are complex enough it might be practical to force them into slices, though, to spend much more compute on optimizing a slice, afforded by then getting to just make 31 already-routed copies at no extra PnR compute for the dense intra-slice situation.
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## message-1521958443785650226
**2026-07-01T19:19:29.619+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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Right. Yeah, its basically option 2 I have been considering (slicing it into a module and instancing it 32 times). At least, that makes sense in my mind. But I understand now that this is a bit more complex than I first thought. I believe I need to specify where I/O to this 'macro' will be placed (like inputs on the left, outputs on the right), but I'm also having issues getting this to close. Well.
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## message-1521958470012899439
**2026-07-01T19:19:35.872+00:00 — Olle (@osvel)**
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Thanks for all the tips! 🙂
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## message-1521988548520050688
**2026-07-01T21:19:07.147+00:00 — namibj**
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yeah ideally you'd somehow be able to tell it just that in this region there are 32 identical slices and that they're instances for the 32-wide datapath around it, and that it has to figure out PnR inside, outside, and has to figure out how it likes the ports placed.
I'd probably give it opportunity to just place the ports wherever on the grid on one side in teh small slice and just roll with what it likes best there.
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## message-1523236999517962380
**2026-07-05T08:00:01.06+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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📢 Minor update!
It turns out that the changes to the density rules have not yet been upstreamed to Open PDKs from our legacy wafer.space PDK fork. This update addresses this issue.
- Project Template [1.5.7](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.5.7)
- Update PDK to `d658698b`
- Precheck [1.7.1](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/releases/tag/1.7.1)
- Update PDK to `d658698b`
The filler generation has already considered these rules. The platform will automatically rerun the latest precheck for your designs.
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## message-1523237046557081650
**2026-07-05T08:00:12.275+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1526579676183662662
**2026-07-14T13:22:37.281+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
- Message ID: `1526579676183662662`
- Author ID: `323371864074485771`
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```text
@everyone 📢 Critical update!
If you are using the community-created 3.3V standard cell library for your tapeout, please update your design, as the PDK update fixes a critical issue.
- Project Template [1.5.8](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/releases/tag/1.5.8)
- Update PDK to `f6eeac7d`
- Fix an issue in `gf180mcu_as_sc_mcu7t3v3` regarding buffer cells.
- Precheck [1.7.2](https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-precheck/releases/tag/1.7.2)
- Fix the text ID generation for narrow letters such as "I".
If there are any questions, please let us know.
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## message-1526579702297526362
**2026-07-14T13:22:43.507+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1526659423051972760
**2026-07-14T18:39:30.416+00:00 — J-Lo (@crockpotveggies)**
- Message ID: `1526659423051972760`
- Author ID: `591049455499739147`
- Nickname: J-Lo
- User name: crockpotveggies
- Type: `Reply`
- Edited: 2026-07-14T18:39:49.728+00:00
- Discord message: https://discord.com/channels/1361349522684510449/1423348662318272592/1526659423051972760
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This impacts us and while we have already updated, we are dealing with new timing violations. This is really inconvenient as we’re trying to make the deadline for Run2, what options do we have?
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## message-1526659886006669503
**2026-07-14T18:41:20.793+00:00 — Tholin (@tholin)**
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What kinds of timing violations?
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**2026-07-14T18:50:45.93+00:00 — Leo Moser (mole99) (@mole99)**
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## message-1526663711203524718
**2026-07-14T18:56:32.791+00:00 — RebelMike (@rebelmike)**
- Message ID: `1526663711203524718`
- Author ID: `691780627338625077`
- Nickname: RebelMike
- User name: rebelmike
- Type: `Default`
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Obvious thing to try would be to exclude the newly added cells (mux4_1, mux4_2, oai21_2, oai21_4) that incidentally got added in the same pdk update. But if it's the improved timing of the buff_8 causing issues that is going to be harder to fix...
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## message-1526669336884940930
**2026-07-14T19:18:54.058+00:00 — J-Lo (@crockpotveggies)**
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@Tholin taking a look now sorry it’s a long run from synth to pnr to gds so reports aren’t done yet on latest run
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## message-1526670948449910886
**2026-07-14T19:25:18.285+00:00 — J-Lo (@crockpotveggies)**
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Takes around 12 hrs
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## message-1526673524985430166
**2026-07-14T19:35:32.579+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1526673524985430166`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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Just use a buf2 into a buf4 maybe?
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## message-1526701660397895763
**2026-07-14T21:27:20.584+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
- Message ID: `1526701660397895763`
- Author ID: `509798510170865675`
- Nickname: Essen
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- Type: `Default`
- Edited: 2026-07-14T22:30:32.504+00:00
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~~Hi, I think there is an issue with the default template for the 1x0.5 slot.
Seems to only have 54 IO pins, not the expected 56 :
https://github.com/wafer-space/gf180mcu-project-template/blob/33194e694f02a392dcf561d7d9fbcc70714cf3af/src/slot_defines.svh#L33-L47~~
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## message-1526702181330321549
**2026-07-14T21:29:24.784+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1526702183775469608
**2026-07-14T21:29:25.367+00:00 — namibj**
- Message ID: `1526702183775469608`
- Author ID: `262706220073222144`
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@Essen was so nice as to help with the project wrapper aspects for the _multiplexed e-test,_ but has run into breakage of some kind trying to set up the COB-supported default pad ring of the 1x0.5 slot.
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## message-1526702315891982386
**2026-07-14T21:29:56.866+00:00 — namibj**
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## message-1526702317339148359
**2026-07-14T21:29:57.211+00:00 — namibj**
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The repo where things are happening
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## message-1526703292456108183
**2026-07-14T21:33:49.697+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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- Edited: 2026-07-14T22:30:42.249+00:00
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````text
~~Same for 0.5x0.5 it looks suss:
```
56 (48 IO + 8 power)
```
But there are only have 46 ? Is there something I am missing here ?~~
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## message-1526707000593874995
**2026-07-14T21:48:33.786+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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- Edited: 2026-07-14T21:49:27.571+00:00
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Ah ! I figure it out, I am in idiot 🤦 ( I really need to sleep more )
**It's clk and rst !**
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## message-1526707027664048239
**2026-07-14T21:48:40.24+00:00 — Essen (@essen__)**
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Sorry for the noise.
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## message-1526754604099043438
**2026-07-15T00:57:43.346+00:00 — namibj**
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this still applies though
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## message-1534031841550536866
**2026-08-04T02:54:51.959+00:00 — carlfk**
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https://github.com/evezor/wafer_space_docker_based_starter_kit
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